1. Do we need to do a better job of publicizing the E-VAN, can you
help us with this?
2. Its fair to say we've had quite an architecture/design feel to the
E-VAN and we have a few more of these coming up. However do you want
other topics discussed more such as process/ALT.NET tooling and would
you want more development centric ones (for example a run through of
Fluent NHibernate)?
3. How many E-VANs is too many?
4. How can we help you keep updated on when the next E-VAN is, is
google calendar enough?
Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
I would like to see more help for people getting started, tooling and
the philosophy would be nice, maybe something akin to the Summer of
NHibernate / Autumn of Agile series that shows some good ways of
working. I have recently got my head around unit testing but have yet
to start anything with mocking (though I understand it is a very
important part of the process).
A weekly E-VAN would be great, maybe if there were a beginners track
that could run alternate weeks and the other weeks be for more
advanced topics or more in depth follow ups to the concepts from the
beginners track?
Google calendar is a good idea and or something on the rss feed?
Simon
On Jun 24, 7:31 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. Do we need to do a better job of publicizing the E-VAN, can you
> help us with this?
> 2. Its fair to say we've had quite an architecture/design feel to the
> E-VAN and we have a few more of these coming up. However do you want
> other topics discussed more such as process/ALT.NET tooling and would
> you want more development centric ones (for example a run through of
> Fluent NHibernate)?
> 3. How many E-VANs is too many?
> 4. How can we help you keep updated on when the next E-VAN is, is
> google calendar enough?
> A weekly E-VAN would be great, maybe if there were a beginners track that could run alternate weeks and the other weeks
> be for more advanced topics or more in depth follow ups to the concepts from the beginners track?
Yeah having multiple tracks sounds reasonable, so far the track has
been architectural and I guess others you might consider are open
discussions (we've done a couple and they seemed good, predefined
topics but anyone can contribute), practical tracks (as you say Summer
of NHibernate style) and maybe process (agile/lean/TDD/etc).
Maybe two or more of them could be merged but thats what comes to
mind?
> Google calendar is a good idea and or something on the rss feed?
So an E-VAN announcements blog possibly, with an RSS feed so you can
just add it to your feed and in addition a google calendar?
On Jun 25, 10:45 am, SimonMartin <simonjmar...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
> definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
> Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
> difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
> I would like to see more help for people getting started, tooling and
> the philosophy would be nice, maybe something akin to the Summer of
> NHibernate / Autumn of Agile series that shows some good ways of
> working. I have recently got my head around unit testing but have yet
> to start anything with mocking (though I understand it is a very
> important part of the process).
> A weekly E-VAN would be great, maybe if there were a beginners track
> that could run alternate weeks and the other weeks be for more
> advanced topics or more in depth follow ups to the concepts from the
> beginners track?
> Google calendar is a good idea and or something on the rss feed?
> Simon
> On Jun 24, 7:31 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > We want feedback/ideas, in particular:
> > 1. Do we need to do a better job of publicizing the E-VAN, can you
> > help us with this?
> > 2. Its fair to say we've had quite an architecture/design feel to the
> > E-VAN and we have a few more of these coming up. However do you want
> > other topics discussed more such as process/ALT.NET tooling and would
> > you want more development centric ones (for example a run through of
> > Fluent NHibernate)?
> > 3. How many E-VANs is too many?
> > 4. How can we help you keep updated on when the next E-VAN is, is
> > google calendar enough?
> Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
> definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
> Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
> difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
I'll discuss the blog idea with Jan tonight, it had occurred to me before
and seems a great idea...especially as it means our blogs won't be cluttered
up with all the posts related to the E-VAN.
> Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
> definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
> Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
> difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
> I would like to see more help for people getting started, tooling and
> the philosophy would be nice, maybe something akin to the Summer of
> NHibernate / Autumn of Agile series that shows some good ways of
> working. I have recently got my head around unit testing but have yet
> to start anything with mocking (though I understand it is a very
> important part of the process).
> A weekly E-VAN would be great, maybe if there were a beginners track
> that could run alternate weeks and the other weeks be for more
> advanced topics or more in depth follow ups to the concepts from the
> beginners track?
> Google calendar is a good idea and or something on the rss feed?
> Simon
> On Jun 24, 7:31 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > We want feedback/ideas, in particular:
> > 1. Do we need to do a better job of publicizing the E-VAN, can you
> > help us with this?
> > 2. Its fair to say we've had quite an architecture/design feel to the
> > E-VAN and we have a few more of these coming up. However do you want
> > other topics discussed more such as process/ALT.NET <http://alt.net/>tooling and would
> > you want more development centric ones (for example a run through of
> > Fluent NHibernate)?
> > 3. How many E-VANs is too many?
> > 4. How can we help you keep updated on when the next E-VAN is, is
> > google calendar enough?
I don't think I can join more then once a month, but that shouldn't
stop you guys from doing more. Perhaps this will rtigger me to join
more events.
I like to have some open discussions about f.ex. how to motivate
people, what is the best way of teaching new technologies and
practishes (new to them). Stuff like that. These open discussion don't
have to be recorded for me as the real value comes in having the
discussion. This is completely different when it comes to the
presentations they should stay recorded. (great job Jan). As for the
presentations I really enjoy the architectual ones, those ideas can be
applied everywhere, would like more about DDD.
-Mark
On Jun 25, 1:47 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
> > definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
> > Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
> > difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
> I'll discuss the blog idea with Jan tonight, it had occurred to me before
> and seems a great idea...especially as it means our blogs won't be cluttered
> up with all the posts related to the E-VAN.
> > Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
> > definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
> > Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
> > difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
> > I would like to see more help for people getting started, tooling and
> > the philosophy would be nice, maybe something akin to the Summer of
> > NHibernate / Autumn of Agile series that shows some good ways of
> > working. I have recently got my head around unit testing but have yet
> > to start anything with mocking (though I understand it is a very
> > important part of the process).
> > A weekly E-VAN would be great, maybe if there were a beginners track
> > that could run alternate weeks and the other weeks be for more
> > advanced topics or more in depth follow ups to the concepts from the
> > beginners track?
> > Google calendar is a good idea and or something on the rss feed?
> > Simon
> > On Jun 24, 7:31 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > We want feedback/ideas, in particular:
> > > 1. Do we need to do a better job of publicizing the E-VAN, can you
> > > help us with this?
> > > 2. Its fair to say we've had quite an architecture/design feel to the
> > > E-VAN and we have a few more of these coming up. However do you want
> > > other topics discussed more such as process/ALT.NET <http://alt.net/>tooling and would
> > > you want more development centric ones (for example a run through of
> > > Fluent NHibernate)?
> > > 3. How many E-VANs is too many?
> > > 4. How can we help you keep updated on when the next E-VAN is, is
> > > google calendar enough?
Yeah I think there are enough announcements, but people keep saying they
hadn't ever heard of the E-VAN which leaves me wondering if we need to reach
out further to try and make more people aware of the events... dunno.
Ok more discussions for sure then, want to do one next week?
> I don't think I can join more then once a month, but that shouldn't
> stop you guys from doing more. Perhaps this will rtigger me to join
> more events.
> I like to have some open discussions about f.ex. how to motivate
> people, what is the best way of teaching new technologies and
> practishes (new to them). Stuff like that. These open discussion don't
> have to be recorded for me as the real value comes in having the
> discussion. This is completely different when it comes to the
> presentations they should stay recorded. (great job Jan). As for the
> presentations I really enjoy the architectual ones, those ideas can be
> applied everywhere, would like more about DDD.
> -Mark
> On Jun 25, 1:47 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
> > > definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
> > > Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
> > > difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
> > I'll discuss the blog idea with Jan tonight, it had occurred to me before
> > and seems a great idea...especially as it means our blogs won't be
> cluttered
> > up with all the posts related to the E-VAN.
> > > Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
> > > definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
> > > Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
> > > difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
> > > I would like to see more help for people getting started, tooling and
> > > the philosophy would be nice, maybe something akin to the Summer of
> > > NHibernate / Autumn of Agile series that shows some good ways of
> > > working. I have recently got my head around unit testing but have yet
> > > to start anything with mocking (though I understand it is a very
> > > important part of the process).
> > > A weekly E-VAN would be great, maybe if there were a beginners track
> > > that could run alternate weeks and the other weeks be for more
> > > advanced topics or more in depth follow ups to the concepts from the
> > > beginners track?
> > > Google calendar is a good idea and or something on the rss feed?
> > > Simon
> > > On Jun 24, 7:31 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > We want feedback/ideas, in particular:
> > > > 1. Do we need to do a better job of publicizing the E-VAN, can you
> > > > help us with this?
> > > > 2. Its fair to say we've had quite an architecture/design feel to
> the
> > > > E-VAN and we have a few more of these coming up. However do you want
> > > > other topics discussed more such as process/ALT.NET <http://alt.net/>tooling
> and would
> > > > you want more development centric ones (for example a run through of
> > > > Fluent NHibernate)?
> > > > 3. How many E-VANs is too many?
> > > > 4. How can we help you keep updated on when the next E-VAN is, is
> > > > google calendar enough?
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah I think there are enough announcements, but people keep saying they
> hadn't ever heard of the E-VAN which leaves me wondering if we need to reach
> out further to try and make more people aware of the events... dunno.
> Ok more discussions for sure then, want to do one next week?
>> For me there are enough announsments already :)
>> I don't think I can join more then once a month, but that shouldn't
>> stop you guys from doing more. Perhaps this will rtigger me to join
>> more events.
>> I like to have some open discussions about f.ex. how to motivate
>> people, what is the best way of teaching new technologies and
>> practishes (new to them). Stuff like that. These open discussion don't
>> have to be recorded for me as the real value comes in having the
>> discussion. This is completely different when it comes to the
>> presentations they should stay recorded. (great job Jan). As for the
>> presentations I really enjoy the architectual ones, those ideas can be
>> applied everywhere, would like more about DDD.
>> -Mark
>> On Jun 25, 1:47 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
>> > > definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
>> > > Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
>> > > difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
>> > I'll discuss the blog idea with Jan tonight, it had occurred to me
>> before
>> > and seems a great idea...especially as it means our blogs won't be
>> cluttered
>> > up with all the posts related to the E-VAN.
>> > > Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
>> > > definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on Los
>> > > Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
>> > > difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
>> > > I would like to see more help for people getting started, tooling and
>> > > the philosophy would be nice, maybe something akin to the Summer of
>> > > NHibernate / Autumn of Agile series that shows some good ways of
>> > > working. I have recently got my head around unit testing but have yet
>> > > to start anything with mocking (though I understand it is a very
>> > > important part of the process).
>> > > A weekly E-VAN would be great, maybe if there were a beginners track
>> > > that could run alternate weeks and the other weeks be for more
>> > > advanced topics or more in depth follow ups to the concepts from the
>> > > beginners track?
>> > > Google calendar is a good idea and or something on the rss feed?
>> > > Simon
>> > > On Jun 24, 7:31 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > We want feedback/ideas, in particular:
>> > > > 1. Do we need to do a better job of publicizing the E-VAN, can you
>> > > > help us with this?
>> > > > 2. Its fair to say we've had quite an architecture/design feel to
>> the
>> > > > E-VAN and we have a few more of these coming up. However do you want
>> > > > other topics discussed more such as process/ALT.NET <
>> http://alt.net/>tooling and would
>> > > > you want more development centric ones (for example a run through of
>> > > > Fluent NHibernate)?
>> > > > 3. How many E-VANs is too many?
>> > > > 4. How can we help you keep updated on when the next E-VAN is, is
>> > > > google calendar enough?
>> > > > All comments welcome.- Hide quoted text -
>> > - Show quoted text -
-- "Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers
write code that humans can understand."
-Martin Fowler et al, Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code
> Next week sounds good, except for the 2nd, I'm giving a FluentNHibernate
> persentation in Edinburgh
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah I think there are enough announcements, but people keep saying they
>> hadn't ever heard of the E-VAN which leaves me wondering if we need to reach
>> out further to try and make more people aware of the events... dunno.
>> Ok more discussions for sure then, want to do one next week?
>>> For me there are enough announsments already :)
>>> I don't think I can join more then once a month, but that shouldn't
>>> stop you guys from doing more. Perhaps this will rtigger me to join
>>> more events.
>>> I like to have some open discussions about f.ex. how to motivate
>>> people, what is the best way of teaching new technologies and
>>> practishes (new to them). Stuff like that. These open discussion don't
>>> have to be recorded for me as the real value comes in having the
>>> discussion. This is completely different when it comes to the
>>> presentations they should stay recorded. (great job Jan). As for the
>>> presentations I really enjoy the architectual ones, those ideas can be
>>> applied everywhere, would like more about DDD.
>>> -Mark
>>> On Jun 25, 1:47 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
>>> > > definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on
>>> Los
>>> > > Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
>>> > > difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
>>> > I'll discuss the blog idea with Jan tonight, it had occurred to me
>>> before
>>> > and seems a great idea...especially as it means our blogs won't be
>>> cluttered
>>> > up with all the posts related to the E-VAN.
>>> > > Just joined the group and so my answer to the 1st question is
>>> > > definitely yes. I only found the group because it was mentioned on
>>> Los
>>> > > Techies. I live in the UK and have joined the VAN group but the time
>>> > > difference makes it difficult to keep in touch.
>>> > > I would like to see more help for people getting started, tooling and
>>> > > the philosophy would be nice, maybe something akin to the Summer of
>>> > > NHibernate / Autumn of Agile series that shows some good ways of
>>> > > working. I have recently got my head around unit testing but have yet
>>> > > to start anything with mocking (though I understand it is a very
>>> > > important part of the process).
>>> > > A weekly E-VAN would be great, maybe if there were a beginners track
>>> > > that could run alternate weeks and the other weeks be for more
>>> > > advanced topics or more in depth follow ups to the concepts from the
>>> > > beginners track?
>>> > > Google calendar is a good idea and or something on the rss feed?
>>> > > Simon
>>> > > On Jun 24, 7:31 pm, Colin Jack <colin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > We want feedback/ideas, in particular:
>>> > > > 1. Do we need to do a better job of publicizing the E-VAN, can you
>>> > > > help us with this?
>>> > > > 2. Its fair to say we've had quite an architecture/design feel to
>>> the
>>> > > > E-VAN and we have a few more of these coming up. However do you
>>> want
>>> > > > other topics discussed more such as process/ALT.NET <
>>> http://alt.net/>tooling and would
>>> > > > you want more development centric ones (for example a run through
>>> of
>>> > > > Fluent NHibernate)?
>>> > > > 3. How many E-VANs is too many?
>>> > > > 4. How can we help you keep updated on when the next E-VAN is, is
>>> > > > google calendar enough?
>>> > > > All comments welcome.- Hide quoted text -
>>> > - Show quoted text -
> --
> "Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers
> write code that humans can understand."
> -Martin Fowler et al, Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code
1. I would like to see more publicizing of all the VAN. This is just
a short list of things we could do. Can you think of anything else?
Write a blog about what is Virtual ALT.NET
Write a blog about Virtual ALT.NET becoming an INETA usergroup.
Write a blog about an upcoming event.
Write a blog about a past event you attended.
Send a tweet to your friends inventing them to attend the next
meeting.
Tweet about the next meeting.
Tweet about us being a new INETA group.
Tweet, Tweet, Tweet, Tweet, Tweet anything about Virtual ALT.NET.
Start a discussion on you favorite email group about Virtual ALT.NET.
Start a discussion on you favorite Facebook group about Virtual
ALT.NET.
Start a discussion on you favorite Linkedin group about Virtual
ALT.NET
Send out an email to your local user group.
Tell someone at work about Virtual ATL.NET.
2. Should be determined by the people. Maybe someone could volunteer
to do a survey. Any takes!
3. Weekly meeting can keep one person busy but if planned and
delegated to a go-getter can be untenable.
> 1. Do we need to do a better job of publicizing the E-VAN, can you
> help us with this?
> 2. Its fair to say we've had quite an architecture/design feel to the
> E-VAN and we have a few more of these coming up. However do you want
> other topics discussed more such as process/ALT.NET tooling and would
> you want more development centric ones (for example a run through of
> Fluent NHibernate)?
> 3. How many E-VANs is too many?
> 4. How can we help you keep updated on when the next E-VAN is, is
> google calendar enough?
