Win 7 newsgroup???

[Docster]

Are there any newsgroups for Win7 and its attendant software apps?
I have not been able to find a NG for Win7.

[Sunny Bard]

Docster wrote:

> Are there any newsgroups for Win7 and its attendant software apps?
> I have not been able to find a NG for Win7.

e-s does carry alt.windows7.general, but be prepared to beef up your
killfile if you subscribe, there are plenty of idiots in there ...

[Don McC]

"Docster" <jimho...@verizon.net> queries:

> Are there any newsgroups for Win7 and its attendant software apps?
> I have not been able to find a NG for Win7.

alt.windows7.general

You can also Google for Web-based discussion groups.

An easy way to find new Usenet groups is to do a Google groups
search for terms or words that you would expect to find on that
group and then look at what groups the returns are posted on.

--
Don

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are much more pliable.
~ Mark Twain

[Docster]

Thanks for the come back.
I don't know how I missed it.

"Docster" <jimho...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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[Ed Murphy]

Docster wrote:

> Are there any newsgroups for Win7 and its attendant software apps?
> I have not been able to find a NG for Win7.

The closest ones in the microsoft.public.* hierarchy seem to be
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general
so I guess you could poke around from there.

[Heather]

"Ed Murphy" <emur...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:iiij87$np4$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

Microsoft never did have one for Windows 7......I lurk on
alt.windows7.general. However I just got a link for a Forum that a MS
friend uses....... http://www.sevenforums.com I just joined it, so can't
make any observations.

I don't like the setup in Windows Explorer or in the Start/Run area and
have found out that there is a program to change that to look like the XP
we all are familiar with. That was from the folks on the alt. news
group. They get a bit testy at times, but I recognize quite a few names
from the MS groups. (Bruce Hagen, Alias, etc) And they have been
helpful.

Heather

[webster72n]

"Docster" wrote in message news:ihl619$4ol$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

Are there any newsgroups for Win7 and its attendant software apps?
I have not been able to find a NG for Win7.

There are none, as previously mentioned, but M$ has established
a forum for it. You will have to google for this one because I don't
remember the link.

Harry.

[Alex Potter]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:12:19 -0500, webster72n wrote:

> Are there any newsgroups for Win7 and its attendant software apps? I
> have not been able to find a NG for Win7.

Someone could always raise an RFD?

--
Alex

[Evgenii Sputnik]

You speak of Big Eight newsgroup?! Good idea!!
(Does anyone else agrees it's a good idea?!)

Or time for the Windows 8 already came?!
(Or newsgroup for both?!)

--
elspu...@gmail.com Evgenii Sputnik - Russian.

[VanguardLH]

"Evgenii Sputnik" wrote 20 months late:

> On 02/28/2011 02:43 AM, Alex Potter wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:12:19 -0500, webster72n wrote:
>
>>> Are there any newsgroups for Win7 and its attendant software apps? I
>>> have not been able to find a NG for Win7.
>
>> Someone could always raise an RFD?
>
> You speak of Big Eight newsgroup?! Good idea!!
> (Does anyone else agrees it's a good idea?!)
>
> Or time for the Windows 8 already came?!
> (Or newsgroup for both?!)

You responded to *20 MONTH OLD* discussion. Notice the datestamps next
time.

There are Windows 7 & 8 newsgroups carried by ES. Maybe there weren't
almost 2 years when this thread got started.

[Paul]

alt.windows7.general
alt.comp.os.windows-8

So Mr. Sputnik can find them.

The traffic level is low enough, more groups
aren't needed.

Paul

[Evgenii Sputnik]

On 11/26/2012 10:43 PM, Paul wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:

> alt.windows7.general
> alt.comp.os.windows-8

alt.* ones, not Big Eight. But thanks anyway!

And yes an ability to reply years later is what attracts me in Usenet
really, sorry!!

[Mike Easter]

OP and replies were to e-s newusers, support, and talk
f/ups to e-s.newusers

Evgenii Sputnik wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> VanguardLH wrote:

<snipped>

>>> You responded to *20 MONTH OLD* discussion.

>> alt.windows7.general
>> alt.comp.os.windows-8
>
> alt.* ones, not Big Eight. But thanks anyway!
>
> And yes an ability to reply years later is what attracts me in Usenet
> really, sorry!!

Suggestions:
- do not post to multiple newsgroups, pick the one best group and post
there only
- an old discussion is considered stale and its thread tree has
disappeared from most people's readers, so you should start a new topic
which paraphrases or recapitulates the issues and your question or
premise instead of simply replying to an old message you recently found
- I don't see that any of the 3 e-s groups posted are the best place
to discuss the issue of where and how to discuss Win7 issues
- the cited message was a combination question of where to discuss
Win7 and its apps and its f/u which was about an RFD presumably
proposing something in comp.* of big8
- so your (Sputnik) message was an extremely stale crosspost to 3
groups where it was off-topic (not about e-s related issue)

IMO - historically the problem with the windows groups is related to the
fact that the strong and integrated nntp support was once found on the
msnews specialty server as opposed to general usenet big8 comp.* groups
where the organization was different.

Then when MS changed its emphasis and its guidance to its MVPs from nntp
to something else, a MS nntp 'vacuum' developed which was filled as well
by alt. groups as comp. groups, -- which condition has often been the
case for usenet in the past.

Perhaps you are wishing for a *moderated* Win7 group, which moderation
has been a characteristic of big 8 groups as opposed to the alt. groups


--
Mike Easter

[VanguardLH]

"Mike Easter" wrote:

> OP and replies were to e-s newusers, support, and talk
> f/ups to e-s.newusers
>
> Evgenii Sputnik wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>>>> You responded to *20 MONTH OLD* discussion.
>
>>> alt.windows7.general
>>> alt.comp.os.windows-8
>>
>> alt.* ones, not Big Eight. But thanks anyway!
>>
>> And yes an ability to reply years later is what attracts me in Usenet
>> really, sorry!!
>
> Suggestions:
> - do not post to multiple newsgroups, pick the one best group and post
> there only
> - an old discussion is considered stale and its thread tree has
> disappeared from most people's readers,

Not only does it disappear from newsreader (which purge out old
articles) but those old articles can disappear from the *servers*, too.
NNTP servers have a retention time. While the one you use might have a
retention time of 5 years (for text newsgroups) doesn't mean someone
else is using an NNTP server with that long a retention. I don't know
how long is ES' retention (I suppose I could look it up) but I figure
anything over a year may not be available to others. So Sputnik's post
would appear out of nowhere, and despite having the References header
with the MIDs for the other articles, and those users can't re-retrieve
those ancient posts to rebuild the thread.

> IMO - historically the problem with the windows groups is related to the
> fact that the strong and integrated nntp support was once found on the
> msnews specialty server as opposed to general usenet big8 comp.* groups
> where the organization was different.

I wasn't sure why Sputnik thought the Windows newsgroups were in the
Big-8 hierachy. Most users went to microsoft.public.* (or to the
microsoft.private.* if they had the login for there) to get at all the
Microsoft-related newsgroups. Those that showed up elsewhere, whether
in a Big-8 newsgroup or alt.<somewhere>, weren't the biggies at the
time.

By the way, Microsoft chose to leave Usenet because someone there
decided to discontinue the inclusion of the NNTP program in server
versions of Windows. Microsoft wasn't going to continue maintaining
servers running unsupported (old) versions of Windows. Microsoft
definitely wouldn't even consider running someone else's NNTP server.
Because Microsoft dropped NNTP server in their server versions of
Windows is the cause of why Microsoft left Usenet regardless of their
myriad of excuses trying to qualify why web-based forums were better
(which everyone knew was a lie that had ever visited that mess).
Just because Microsoft killed their NNTP servers did not force any other
NNTP provider to discontinue peering the microsoft.public.* newsgroups.
They still live. They live at ES. They live at Albasani. They
continue to live at most NNTP providers.

Although supposedly Microsoft pushed out a group cancel request (well,
someone claiming to be from Microsoft which I don't think was every
verified) to remove the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, no one is
required to honor it. Only a few NNTP providers honored the request to
dropped the microsoft.public.* newsgroups while the rest just continued
to peer those newsgroups. Microsoft wasn't going to stop them from
continuing to provide those newsgroups (tis another reason why Microsoft
left Usenet because they had no control versus their own forums). The
microsoft.public.* newsgroups are obviously not part of the Big-8
hierarchy, either.

[Adam H. Kerman]

I cut the crosspost.

1) microsoft.public.* groups weren't Usenet in the traditional sense.
No one at Microsoft used control messages to maintain the list of newsgroups.

Someone peered with the Microsoft News server and then peered with Usenet
servers that wanted microsoft.public.* groups. It was very indirect.

2) You're absolutely wrong that "someone claiming to be from Microsoft"
issued rmgroup messages. That was Julien. He never misrepresented his
position as Microsoft staff. I don't know where the hell you got that idea.

I cannot emphasize enough that NO ONE from Microsoft ever issued control
messages. Those were always issued by a third party and NEVER claimed
to be a Microsoft staffer.

The rmgroup messages Julien issued after Microsoft took down its News server
were the last control messages he sent. No one administers microsoft.public.*
at all.

Whether a News server honors a control message, no matter who has issued it,
is up to the News administrator. There's no difference in this hierarchy
or any other hierarchy. No News administrator is required to recognize
that a hierarchy is defunct and remove any groups it created.

It's all local policy.