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John Geoffrey

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Sep 5, 2012, 7:27:54 PM9/5/12
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Hello there,
I wanted to ask which are the most readable and interesting newsgroups
on the net. I have been looking though a lot of them and found a few,
but I guess there will never be too many readers in any of them. Some
of them are just ghost towns and have been for a while.
That's why I wanted to ask if there are any special favorites anybody
has that are generally readable as well.
Yes, I am quite aware this is a stupid question, but well...before the
group lies dormant even longer...

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J.E.Geoffrey
Stuffed Crocodile Weblog
http://gmkeros.wordpress.com


Bit Twister

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Sep 5, 2012, 8:51:52 PM9/5/12
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 01:27:54 +0200, John Geoffrey wrote:
> Hello there,
> I wanted to ask which are the most readable and interesting newsgroups
> on the net.

For me they are the ones I am interested in. :-8


> I have been looking though a lot of them and found a few,
> but I guess there will never be too many readers in any of them.


The news group could have lots of readers (lurkers) and few writers. :)

> Some of them are just ghost towns and have been for a while.

Very true.

> That's why I wanted to ask if there are any special favorites anybody
> has that are generally readable as well.

Since you appear to be running one of the Linux distributions, you
might lurk in several to check the signal to noise ratio.

I happen to be a Mageia Linux user but watch other Linux groups.

Trolls and their troll toys have pretty much wasted
alt.os.linux.ubuntu so I am about to un-subscribe it again.

As you can see from the article count there are a few are ghost towns
I lurk in:
alt.os.linux.mageia: 1-1441
alt.os.linux.mandriva: 1-26996
alt.linux: 1-3554
alt.linux.redhat: 1-8
alt.os.linux: 1-9081
alt.os.linux.mepis: 1-1040
alt.os.linux.mint: 1-5171
alt.os.linux.pclinuxos: 1-1868
alt.os.linux.redhat: 1-273
alt.os.linux.slackware: 1-19442
comp.os.linux.hardware: 1-5365
comp.os.linux.networking: 1-6816
comp.os.linux.security: 1-869
comp.os.linux.setup: 1-10609
comp.os.linux.misc: 1-25362
comp.os.linux.x: 1-760
alt.os.linux.ubuntu: 1-102423
alt.os.linux.suse: 1-17380
alt.os.linux.debian: 1-4670
linux.redhat.install: 1-59

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 5, 2012, 10:06:49 PM9/5/12
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John Geoffrey <gmk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hello there,
>I wanted to ask which are the most readable and interesting newsgroups
>on the net. I have been looking though a lot of them and found a few,
>but I guess there will never be too many readers in any of them. Some
>of them are just ghost towns and have been for a while.

Here's a thought: If you have something on topic to write, post it. You
can't know the group is dead unless you try. Groups die because Usenet
users CHOOSE not to post.

Maybe someone will post a followup.

TS742

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Sep 6, 2012, 2:16:42 PM9/6/12
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I like sci.math and sci.physics

Lots of the groups I used to like are dead or near-dead. I wonder if
spam played a big role. Some of them died very quickly for some
reason.

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 6, 2012, 3:31:59 PM9/6/12
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TS742 <tim_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>John Geoffrey <gmk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>I wanted to ask which are the most readable and interesting newsgroups
>>>on the net. I have been looking though a lot of them and found a few,
>>>but I guess there will never be too many readers in any of them. Some
>>>of them are just ghost towns and have been for a while.

>>Here's a thought: If you have something on topic to write, post it. You
>>can't know the group is dead unless you try. Groups die because Usenet
>>users CHOOSE not to post.


>I like sci.math and sci.physics

>Lots of the groups I used to like are dead or near-dead. I wonder if
>spam played a big role. Some of them died very quickly for some
>reason.

Spam plays no role. Counter-spam measures are implemented server-wide,
not on a per-group basis. Either your server implements counter-measures,
or it hasn't.

Again: Stop waiting for other people to entertain you. Post something on
topic. Maybe someone else will post a followup. It's your fault, along with
other former regulars, that a particular group has no discussion in it. All
of you collectively chose to stop posting, waiting for others to go first.

John Geoffrey

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Sep 6, 2012, 4:22:58 PM9/6/12
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 19:31:59 +0000 (UTC)
That I did notice. The last time I tried to get into usenet I had to
filter the hell out of some groups until there finally were some actual
posts. Right now I barely see anything like that.
Of course I don't see many posts either, so I guess it got kind of
quite here.
But it's fascinating. I posted in a group in which I never saw a single
post all the other times I ventured there (rec.games.frp.misc) and it
turns out that people do actually read it.

Brandon Staggs

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Sep 6, 2012, 5:38:02 PM9/6/12
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"John Geoffrey" wrote on Thu, 6 Sep 2012 22:22:58 +0200:

> and it
> turns out that people do actually read it.

One of the beauties of NNTP clients is that there is no cost to
subscribing to low-volume groups. It's just another on my list.
Unlike with a web forum, where I have to make effort to check it for
new posts, I can keep monitoring a Usenet group with no effort on my
part.

--
Brandon Staggs
StudyLamp Software LLC
http://www.studylamp.com

John Geoffrey

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Sep 6, 2012, 6:27:02 PM9/6/12
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 16:38:02 -0500
Brandon Staggs <nos...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> "John Geoffrey" wrote on Thu, 6 Sep 2012 22:22:58 +0200:
>
> > and it
> > turns out that people do actually read it.
>
> One of the beauties of NNTP clients is that there is no cost to
> subscribing to low-volume groups. It's just another on my list.
> Unlike with a web forum, where I have to make effort to check it for
> new posts, I can keep monitoring a Usenet group with no effort on my
> part.
>

No cost except for space at least. I use Claws now and used Pan
earlier. The problem is that empty groups in this case clutter the
screen too much.
I don't really know how it is with terminal clients because I haven't
used them much yet, but it's mildly annoying for my desires of
efficiency to see most of the groups with 0 mails.
By the way, what newsreaders are you using?

Brandon Staggs

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Sep 6, 2012, 6:51:27 PM9/6/12
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"John Geoffrey" wrote on Fri, 7 Sep 2012 00:27:02 +0200:

> By the way, what newsreaders are you using?

I use 40tude Dialog (which has been abandoned but still works
wonderfully). Space is not an issue since it's a GUI and my group list
scrolls as needed, not getting in the way.

Bit Twister

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Sep 6, 2012, 7:23:45 PM9/6/12
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 00:27:02 +0200, John Geoffrey wrote:

> I don't really know how it is with terminal clients because I haven't
> used them much yet, but it's mildly annoying for my desires of
> efficiency to see most of the groups with 0 mails.

Well, I use slrn which is a terminal client.
It will only show a news group if a new post has arrived.

Has excellent tools for putting topics, subject, users,... in a kill
file so they do not bother me.
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Gene Wirchenko

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Sep 7, 2012, 12:44:09 PM9/7/12
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:41:52 +0000 (UTC), Armin Ehrbar
<armin....@gmx.de> wrote:

[snip]

>Yes, this is it often. Many people wait and not make more discussions -
>so a group can die. Really, in the international Hierchachies nobody
>kills long time empty groups?

Why? Old groups can still have useful data in them.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

John Geoffrey

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Sep 8, 2012, 6:10:06 AM9/8/12
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:41:52 +0000 (UTC)
Armin Ehrbar <armin....@gmx.de> wrote:

> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote/schrieb:
>
> > Spam plays no role. Counter-spam measures are implemented
> > server-wide, not on a per-group basis. Either your server
> > implements counter-measures, or it hasn't.
>
> ACK!
>
> > Again: Stop waiting for other people to entertain you. Post
> > something on topic. Maybe someone else will post a followup. It's
> > your fault, along with other former regulars, that a particular
> > group has no discussion in it. All of you collectively chose to
> > stop posting, waiting for others to go first.
>
> Yes, this is it often. Many people wait and not make more discussions
> - so a group can die. Really, in the international Hierchachies
> nobody kills long time empty groups?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> ae

Everybody just hopes that usenet will take off again and STUFF will
happen there.
I guess...

Joy Beeson

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Sep 8, 2012, 7:16:19 PM9/8/12
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:41:52 +0000 (UTC), Armin Ehrbar
<armin....@gmx.de> wrote:

> Really, in the international Hierchachies nobody
> kills long time empty groups?

Every time "List of Big Eight Newsgroups" is posted to
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and news.lists.misc, the number
saying how many lines are in the post is smaller.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

Bert

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Sep 9, 2012, 3:20:18 PM9/9/12
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In news:2akn48p7qa9tbkv5s...@4ax.com Joy Beeson
<jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:41:52 +0000 (UTC), Armin Ehrbar
><armin....@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Really, in the international Hierchachies nobody
>> kills long time empty groups?
>
> Every time "List of Big Eight Newsgroups" is posted to
> news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and news.lists.misc, the number
> saying how many lines are in the post is smaller.

But that doesn't mean that individual news providers are actually
removing the groups from their own lists. My own ISP's server claims to
have nearly 34,000 groups. I'd bet that at least half of them are no
longer active.

--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

John Geoffrey

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Sep 10, 2012, 12:28:54 AM9/10/12
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Speaking about that: is there a way to find out which groups are the
most active? I found some stats, but only for alt.binaries groups.
Which I guess is right, it's just not what I am looking for.

Bert

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Sep 13, 2012, 2:47:40 PM9/13/12
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In news:20120910062854....@gmail.com John Geoffrey
<gmk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Speaking about that: is there a way to find out which groups are the
> most active? I found some stats, but only for alt.binaries groups.
> Which I guess is right, it's just not what I am looking for.

Try this:

http://usenetstats.com/

John Geoffrey

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Sep 16, 2012, 7:44:07 AM9/16/12
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Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.

zeez

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Mar 31, 2013, 10:12:39 AM3/31/13
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On 2012-09-06, Bit Twister <BitTw...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 01:27:54 +0200, John Geoffrey wrote:
> x
> Trolls and their troll toys have pretty much wasted
> alt.os.linux.ubuntu so I am about to un-subscribe it again.


alt.politics has become a total sewer. It was always bad but lately it's
been plagued with some vile, hateful spam.

Stephen Wolstenholme

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Mar 31, 2013, 10:36:59 AM3/31/13
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It's only a few filters away!

Steve

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Daniel65

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Oct 1, 2020, 5:39:13 AM10/1/20
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Hmm!! It seems even that site has been "re-purposed" as the characters
all appear Japanese/Chinese! No 'stats' that I can see, but, I suppose,
eight years after the message I'm responding to, anything is possible! ;-)
--
Daniel

JG

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Jan 8, 2021, 9:11:17 AM1/8/21
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I was actually just wondering if there were some general stats
somewhere. I haven't looked at newsgroups for a year or so, but it
seemed to me like the usual ones I check were a bit more active than before.

Stephen Wolstenholme

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Jan 8, 2021, 9:27:26 AM1/8/21
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I read and update the Usenet groups where I subscribe every day.

Steve

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JG

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Jan 8, 2021, 9:39:20 AM1/8/21
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yes.
but I was wondering... did the general amount of messages increase? or
is that just my impression.
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Adam Snetiker

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Dec 17, 2021, 7:40:37 PM12/17/21
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

Hi John,

I've been doing research on this and it appears this is one of the best
places, at least so far. Check out nntp.aioe.org, but beware that on
other servers there are a number of groups where people are selling
drugs and doing illegal stuff. I'd recommend avoiding the Google groups
as well as there doesn't seem to be much recent activity, if at all.
I've heard banana split is another one, but haven't gotten a chance to
explore it yet.

I also noticed someone started posting messages signed with PGP, but
their key appears to be outdated and won't import into my keychain. If
everyone could do that, especially on newsgroups, it would be a safer
place. However, you'd have to verify it outside of Thunderbird or
whatever client you use. If you're technical enough, copy and paste this
message into TextEdit or a text-only editor and save it, then use the
command line tools to find my fingerprint and verify my signature. When
you do, you'll see it matches my name and email address on here too!
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org

iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEERWiXmW4lFPhisZ1OLS1VaX2HoiEFAmG9LMsACgkQLS1VaX2H
oiHR6w/+OusJKVT5WJ+A6vniP4Bb9e2rFmrgrcSZ32wqjHNTJ8FsqS0xFwD3UluI
+oa0R8yWh/UhsI2iEKtWtEXzyvg7aQYYrAwAMxxmxrgPNFQiqxR+FU7zUqXozxQP
BChr/qzbSFS2yzZGLdlsd6MmuVrj0LvJywG8QCEpsUON8V6GyJ43GSivjGjdKD+i
I973VMCacpiG46nAtqyA9bwMfEHQrEtQKHpcWBPRg1UIUqy7Dw3ig/6FPc1FaVrV
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=6Oc5
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Chris Jacobs

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Dec 18, 2021, 8:51:01 AM12/18/21
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Op 18-12-2021 om 01:40 schreef Adam Snetiker:
> Hi John,
>
> I've been doing research on this and it appears this is one of the best
> places, at least so far. Check out nntp.aioe.org, but beware that on
> other servers there are a number of groups where people are selling
> drugs and doing illegal stuff. I'd recommend avoiding the Google groups
> as well as there doesn't seem to be much recent activity, if at all.
> I've heard banana split is another one, but haven't gotten a chance to
> explore it yet.
>
> I also noticed someone started posting messages signed with PGP, but
> their key appears to be outdated and won't import into my keychain. If
> everyone could do that, especially on newsgroups, it would be a safer
> place. However, you'd have to verify it outside of Thunderbird or
> whatever client you use. If you're technical enough, copy and paste this
> message into TextEdit or a text-only editor and save it, then use the
> command line tools to find my fingerprint and verify my signature. When
> you do, you'll see it matches my name and email address on here too!
>

gpg: WARNING: no command supplied. Trying to guess what you mean ...
gpg: Signature made 12/18/21 01:35:23 West-Europa (standaardtijd)
gpg: using RSA key 456897996E2514F862B19D4E2D2D55697D87A221
gpg: BAD signature from "Adam Snetiker <ajsne...@gmail.com>" [unknown]

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 18, 2021, 11:32:38 AM12/18/21
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Wow. Some of us could tell that was a sockpuppet without verifying the
bullshit signature, 'cuz, you know, in followup, it failed to directly
address anything. The double posting didn't make it doubly genuine.

Chris Jacobs

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Dec 19, 2021, 10:33:29 AM12/19/21
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Op 18-12-2021 om 17:32 schreef Adam H. Kerman:

> Wow. Some of us could tell that was a sockpuppet without verifying the
> bullshit signature, 'cuz, you know, in followup, it failed to directly
> address anything. The double posting didn't make it doubly genuine.

Some of you could tell that was a sockpuppet without verifying the
signature.
But some of you didn't.
Now a sockpuppet is always a sockpuppet of somebody.
Could some of you tell now who is the person behind Adam Snetiker?
And if some of you could do that will some of you actually do it?

Stephen Wolstenholme

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Dec 19, 2021, 11:00:37 AM12/19/21
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It's someone who writes messages that are too big
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Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 19, 2021, 2:38:20 PM12/19/21
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Chris Jacobs <ctja...@freedom.nl.invalid> wrote:
>Op 18-12-2021 om 17:32 schreef Adam H. Kerman:

>>Wow. Some of us could tell that was a sockpuppet without verifying the
>>bullshit signature, 'cuz, you know, in followup, it failed to directly
>>address anything. The double posting didn't make it doubly genuine.

>Some of you could tell that was a sockpuppet without verifying the
>signature.
>But some of you didn't.

What if the signature were verifiable? What difference would that make?

Chris Jacobs

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Dec 19, 2021, 2:46:09 PM12/19/21
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Op 19-12-2021 om 20:38 schreef Adam H. Kerman:
For my question, none.

If the signature is verifiable none of you could tell whose sockpuppet
he is.
If the signature is not verifiable none of you could tell whose
sockpuppet he is.

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 19, 2021, 7:44:01 PM12/19/21
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What difference would that make? It's not difficult to tell whose
sockpuppet it is.

Chris Jacobs

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Dec 20, 2021, 8:12:20 AM12/20/21
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Op 20-12-2021 om 01:44 schreef Adam H. Kerman:
Then let some of you tell whose sockpuppet it is!

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 20, 2021, 10:11:25 AM12/20/21
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If after all these years on Usenet, you can't recognize the usual
trolls, I just can't help you.

Chris Jacobs

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Dec 20, 2021, 12:05:27 PM12/20/21
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Op 20-12-2021 om 16:11 schreef Adam H. Kerman:
So you know he is a sockpuppet but cannot tell whose sockpuppet he is.
In the meantime he uses the email address of

https://expertdojo.com/members/ajsnetikergmail-com/profile/

That would be an infringement on the rules of eternal-september if he
really were a sockpuppet.


Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 20, 2021, 12:22:13 PM12/20/21
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Chris Jacobs <ctja...@freedom.nl.invalid> wrote:
>Op 20-12-2021 om 16:11 schreef Adam H. Kerman:

>>>. . .

>>If after all these years on Usenet, you can't recognize the usual
>>trolls, I just can't help you.

>So you know he is a sockpuppet but cannot tell whose sockpuppet he is.

Of course I can. If you weren't being disingenuous, so could you.

>. . .

>https://expertdojo.com/members/ajsnetikergmail-com/profile/

>That would be an infringement on the rules of eternal-september if he
>really were a sockpuppet.

Or, I could just laugh at the sockpuppet.
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