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 More options Jan 27 2008, 3:04 pm
From: Dalton <dal...@esltoronto.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:04:40 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 27 2008 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: The Informed English Student: It's the verb!
Hi Warren, and a big hello to the others who read this.

You've explained (to me) what I've been telling ESL students who come
to me for help over the last seven years. But, I must say you said it
better. I tell them to read, and speak and immerse themselves in the
language. Most recently my latest quest is to get them blogging about
things they're passionate about. Thank you for providing a deeper
understanding of what I've felt was the best way to learn English.

I don't have a bunch of letters behind my name, I'm just a guy who
grew up with a love for words and where they came from. Along with an
honest desire to help people. I appreciate the insight that you and
those you've read bring to ESL learning or should I say aquiring. lol

As someone who is new to this google group thing, it's my first time.
I encourage you to please keep posting as it's not only the students
who directly read it you'll be helping but you'll be reaching out to
the students of people like me who will pass this knowledge on.

Thanks, David Dalton

On Jan 12, 4:34 pm, Warren <war...@successfulenglish.com> wrote:

> When Eduardo asked me to join this group, I wasn't sure how I would
> participate. This group is for English learners who listen to the ESL
> Podcast to practice using their English. And I think that's a great
> idea! However, I'm an English teacher and I don't want to interrupt
> (stop what your are doing) your conversations!

> I decided to try to write a short essay, or article, each week to help
> you become better independent English learners. This is the first one.

> Today I want you to think about two verbs that language specialists
> use. The first verb is "acquire"; the second is "learn". Acquiring a
> language is very different from learning a language. And if you want
> to improve your English, you should know the difference.

> Acquiring a language is a natural process. It is the way we all
> develop our first language ability. It is automatic. It is
> subconscious (we don't notice it). And it is the result of natural
> experience of the language. When we experience language that we
> understand - especially by reading or listening - we acquire (absorb
> or pick up) more of that language.

> When we try to learn a language, we study and memorize rules about the
> language. It is a conscious process (we are aware of, or notice, it).

> Why is this difference important? It's important because scientific
> research tells us that most of our fluency (language ability) comes
> from acquired language, not from learned language.

> Last week I read an article by Dr. John Truscott, a well-known
> professor who has looked at hundreds of research studies on language
> acquisition and learning. In this article, he makes it very clear that
> we do not have to consciously learn vocabulary or grammar. He says
> that we acquire language as a natural result of reading or listening
> for pleasure. Other experts, like Dr. Stephen Krashen and Dr. Jeff
> McQuillan, have said the same thing.

> Let me tell you a story that will illustrate (show) what I am talking
> about. Mr. M is a retired Japanese high school English teacher. About
> three years ago, he came to my ESL class in southern California. He
> knew a lot of English vocabulary. He could identify the subjunctive.
> He had learned a lot about English. But it was very hard for him to
> converse (talk together) or write in English.

> I never ask my students to memorize rules. And I only teach grammar
> occasionally, when it helps my students understand something better.
> We spend as much time as possible sharing natural experiences in
> English. In that environment, Mr. M's English began to improve. And
> when he wasn't in class, he looked for opportunities to talk to people
> who spoke English. Today his ability to converse and write is much
> better than it was when he came.

> A few months ago, I received an e-mail from Mr. M. In it he wrote a
> very simple message: "Thank you for teaching me a better way."

> Learn from Mr. M. Try a better way. Look for as much natural
> experience with English as possible. Read. Listen. Have conversations
> with English speakers. If you do, I think you will be surprised at how
> much English you acquire.

> Warren


 
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