Merry Christmas, belated Happy Chanukah and Happy Holidays.
nominal9
To all "believers" in good faith.... as long as you are
"reasonable"....
nominal9
ornamentalmind
josh
progress of Humanity.
"Marry X'Mas"
Serenity Smiles
prayers and may everyones' Christmas be as they would like it to be. Your
one and only truly humble servant/living Goddess, Serenity xXXx
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From: "josh" <hem....@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:04 AM
To: "Epistemology" <episte...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [epistemology 11107] Re: Merry Christmas, belated Happy Chanukah
and Happy Holidays.
> May the LORD bless everybody with reasonable thinking to work in
> progress of Humanity.
>
> "Marry X'Mas"
>
> On Dec 23, 11:36 pm, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps this is a very very early Happy Buddha�s Birthday too? ;-)
>>
>> On Dec 23, 9:13 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
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>> > To all "believers" in good faith.... as long as you are
>> > "reasonable"....
>>
>> > nominal9
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nominal9
yes.... Merry Buddha's Birthday, too... sort of has a ring to it
"Buddha's Birthday".... sorry that I never got back to you on that
other post a month or so ago..... I tried to get some information
about the topic, but found that most of the "literature" was
copyrighted and not readily available on the net. Sounds
interesting... sort of "quasi-psychological"... different personality
types.....But I gather that there is also very much more to it. If you
are interested in it then there must be something of worth in it, I
acknowledge your own "intellectual good faith", Orn... so I will not
discount it out of hand.... Is it, overall... deterministic, or is
there some leeway for individual variability... freedom of choice or
freedom of direction... I guess would be one of my first naive and
unknowing questions?
nominal9
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ornamentalmind
interested in any sort of response to what may be merely rhetorical
questions, OK?
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nominal9
discussion slip past...
I've found your last reply on the topic.... and I paste it below.....
I went looking for material on the philosopher Ichazo and ran into a
"copyright" brick wall, as I said....I found very little in the
"public domain" that treats Ichazo's thoughts or theories in anything
but very modest detail....
nominal9
Now this has some meat to it, Orn,...” – nom
Thanks.
“… but I wonder if you aren't making some sort of mistake in the way
that you "posit" or define the word-term "mind" in the one case as
opposed to the other what you call the distinction between ....
relative/subjective 'mind' as distinguished from absolute/objective
"mind"?” – nom
First, I wish to give a philosopher, Ichazo, full credit for this
philosophy of 3 minds including the specific terms. I have studied
him
for many years now and personally find that his analysis here is spot
on. So, it is not my positing, just my recognition of the truth of
his
independent and original work.
This said, I find no mistake in the core integral philosophy.
You continued with specific questions, some of which I’m not sure I
can clarify. As to inside/outside, consciousness itself is neither.
Consciousness is one. Here I will conflate what is a pure
presentation
by an analogy with what little I know about the Buddhist Mind Only
schools. It is a very similar view.
Now as to attainment, your questions do follow my partial
presentation. I did list two minds, the relative and the absolute.
What may clarify most of your questions including the apparent
duality
is that there is a 3rd mind in this philosophy along with a coherent
praxis of so achieving. This is the ornamental mind. (Ichazo) This
mind is the union of the relative and the absolute, consubstantially.
In a nutshell, that is it. And, rather than address your valid
questions that were based on my partial presentation last time, I’ll
await your intake of the complete thing.
On Nov 30, 8:22 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote
archytas
Perhaps I should wish you all happiness in considering the philosophy
of the one-way speed of light or one of the Zeno's contention that
there is no motion in the universe? I have a paper from Nous (by a
guy called Salmon in 1977) should you want to take on this mission
Nom. Apparently, the questions are conventional.
On 27 Dec, 18:51, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> No apologies needed, Orn,... as I said, I was the one who let the
> discussion slip past...
> I've found your last reply on the topic.... and I paste it below.....
> I went looking for material on the philosopher Ichazo and ran into a
> "copyright" brick wall, as I said....I found very little in the
> "public domain" that treats Ichazo's thoughts or theories in anything
> but very modest detail....
> nominal9
>
> ************http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/browse_thread/thread/e352...
Enrique Fynn
Att;
Enrique Fynn.
--
Artificial intelligence laboratory
Federal University of Uberlândia
"Society, you're a crazy breed... Hope you're not lonely without me..."
ornamentalmind
See:
Articles:
http://www.arica.org/articles/index.cfm
books:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/sc.7/category.12/.f
journals:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/sc.7/category.175/.f
videos:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/sc.10/category.218/.f
DVDs:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/sc.10/category.177/.f
CD:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/it.A/id.2880/.f
School, system etc.
http://www.arica.org/index.cfm
Now to your as yet unanswered question:
“Is it, overall... deterministic, or is there some leeway for
individual variability... freedom of choice or freedom of
direction... I guess would be one of my first naive and unknowing
questions?” – nom
‘It’, as an integral philosophy, includes the recognition of all
intellection as well as other metaphysical levels of apprehension. IF
you check the “The Five Tenets of Arica”™ found under
‘articles’ (above) you may get a clearer view. Also, since I have
historically done some analogies as well as conflations of this School
with different schools of Buddhism (something Ichazo goes into detail
on in one of the above listed journals), just under the above
mentioned tenets, “The Five Supreme Determinants of Being”™ are of
note when/if one wishes to do a comparison too.
I know that I could give you some more on it in my own words and will
if asked; but think it is time to refer you to the ‘source’ where you
can scan some of what is available and check out anything that is
attractive…or not.
Hope this helps.
On Dec 27, 10:51 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> No apologies needed, Orn,... as I said, I was the one who let the
> discussion slip past...
> I've found your last reply on the topic.... and I paste it below.....
> I went looking for material on the philosopher Ichazo and ran into a
> "copyright" brick wall, as I said....I found very little in the
> "public domain" that treats Ichazo's thoughts or theories in anything
> but very modest detail....
> nominal9
>
> ************http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/browse_thread/thread/e352...
archytas
On 28 Dec, 05:25, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> RE: Ichazo
>
> See:
>
> Articles:http://www.arica.org/articles/index.cfm
>
> books:http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/sc.7/category.12/.f
>
> journals:http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/sc.7/category.175/.f
>
> videos:http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/sc.10/category.218/.f
>
> DVDs:http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/sc.10/category.177/.f
>
> CD:http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT73001/it.A/id.2880/.f
>
> School, system etc.http://www.arica.org/index.cfm
ornamentalmind
archytas
the effort and expertise could have been better directed. It's
obscene when people can't be rational enough to 'screw god' and get on
with something decent.
ornamentalmind
listening to Watson quite informative when it comes to current
activity.
Part 1 11 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3fRiRF_1I&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5BC2D64A910&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=44
Part 2 10:59 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwy0XCzcV0A&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5BC2D64A910&index=45
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROsNDRsAn8M&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5BC2D64A910&index=46
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap0z-z8yLAY&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5BC2D64A910&index=47
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3y8EGKs7HM&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5BC2D64A910&index=48
Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIHC2uirvu4&NR=1
archytas
sensible you'd have to wonder why people seem to think so
differently. In my lectures, the IT equipment never comes on and I
shut up more than her. If her stuff is about feminism I'd want my
money back. This stuff is suitable for 12 year olds.
On 31 Dec 2009, 19:17, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Some of the newer online atheists are rather evangelical. I found
> listening to Watson quite informative when it comes to current
> activity.
>
> Part 1 11 min.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3fRiRF_1I&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 2 10:59 min.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwy0XCzcV0A&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROsNDRsAn8M&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap0z-z8yLAY&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 5http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3y8EGKs7HM&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 6http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIHC2uirvu4&NR=1
archytas
crass nature of much religionising leaves the filed open for this kind
of niche marketer? I'm just amazed a university would put this on.
Do you not get this in the US school system?
On 31 Dec 2009, 19:17, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Some of the newer online atheists are rather evangelical. I found
> listening to Watson quite informative when it comes to current
> activity.
>
> Part 1 11 min.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3fRiRF_1I&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 2 10:59 min.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwy0XCzcV0A&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROsNDRsAn8M&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap0z-z8yLAY&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 5http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3y8EGKs7HM&feature=PlayList&p=9A03C5B...
> Part 6http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIHC2uirvu4&NR=1
ornamentalmind
I was a kid in the mid-west, education was ‘king’…well funded and
overall with fairly good instructors. Most of what I hear today is
that content has been drastically reduced, students are not at all
self motivated, come into the system with very little and are
supported almost not at all all along the path. My brother and his ex
both are teachers still in the mid-west (usa) and report the changes
to be abysmal. I am aware that overall funding has been reduced
greatly with teachers many places having to help provide paper,
pencils and even books out of their own pockets. Long gone is the day
when there was any importance given to the next generation…except
perhaps as in a titillating corporate infonews show. As you know, my
father was in the 90% tax bracket and we lived quite well. Today, I
have no doubt he would pay a smaller tax rate than I and the majority
of us under the poverty level. The influx of vocal ignorance based on
blind fanaticism has set to waste all health and sex education. Some
schools even today will not teach evolution and do teach creationism.
Those who believe that peoples and societies advance in a linear
fashion blatantly ignore the movement *both* forward and backward.
Overall, I hadn’t been keeping up with some of the stuff kids today
were discussing and read precious few blogs. I found her charisma
interesting and self promotion of note. The content appropriate for
atheist and a vs c groups I frequent. So, in a word, *no*…US education
fails us all in countless ways. The causes are numerous. The political
and social recognitions are almost non-existent. So, yes, the field is
wide open for this sort of stuff.
archytas
little like this girl-woman (I mean no insult, though she'd maybe take
some). Our assessment might be in different words but I suspect is
the same. Some years back I had an ex-squaddie (grunt) as a student
in his mid-forties. Not, as I, ashamed of his history with the gun,
but as clearly traumatised by the necessity of it all, he was a gentle
soul by then, but could not stand the 'Noddy Saves the Whales'
instruction on his peace studies programme. The level, supposedly
undergraduate, was pathetic and it was he, with 22 years up and down
the ranks, treated as the tyro. His main tutor was a mad woman I kept
at barge-pole length. Since then I've seen much of this stuff, across
many disciplines and often connected with female tutors. It isn't
good and it isn't feminism. Mediocrity has much to do with it, yet
there is a brutality too.
The charisma and self-promotion were obvious. I wondered for a while
if she had been a nun - there was something distinctly missionary. I
didn't find anything atheist in content, other than a few words. We
are in a war against bullshit, but she didn't advance much as to why.
I don't mean to be too hard on her; she is at least protesting.
Education in the old soviets could be better than here (it was
patchy), and this made me wonder as to the efficacy of 'education'.
Pretty much as here, it was a route into the nomenclature. In the UK
we have seen the collapse of work-based education, replaced by a lot
of third-class college stuff. We do worse by the poor student than
ever. There are better models in Northern Europe. Broadly, education
is not the answer (and I say this as a very dedicated educationalist),
but could become part of one. We have lost the conditions for
rational argument and are even teaching 'charisma' (the so-called
'soft skills') and emotional deception. I still meet young people who
aren't 'cloned' and see some good teaching, but the general feeling
across the field in schools, colleges and universities here is that
standards have dropped. My main suspicions lie in the fact that we
haven't developed economics as if people matter in our developed
societies. We have lost the notion of building lives. I believe this
is because of a crucially corrupt hierarchy that fobs us off as
priests and vicars have done for so long. Polls in the UK show we now
have no faith in government statistics, our general experience is
different from what they claim and so on. Our news coverage is
patronising and the cacophony is childish.
> ...
>
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Enrique Fynn
listening to Watson quite informative when it comes to current
activity.
Att;
Enrique Fynn.
--
Artificial intelligence laboratory
Federal University of Uberlândia
"Society, you're a crazy breed... Hope you're not lonely without me..."