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 More options Oct 22 2005, 11:20 pm
From: "Sam" <sam.car...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 03:20:31 -0000
Local: Sat, Oct 22 2005 11:20 pm
Subject: The Trabant Model Of Science

zinnic wrote:
> > Sam Carana wrote:
> > The fact that huge government funds go into the education-military-industry
> > complex is hard to deny. When are you finally coming up with a single
> > argument that sticks, zinnic, instead of adding nonsense responses under the
> > pretence that you had anything to say?

> In other words you have no evidence to present.
> Huge government funds go into the legislature and judiciary! Why leave
> them out? By your definition there is a
> legislature-judiciary-education-military-industrial complex!

The term military-industrial complex is usually attributed to former
President Eisenhower who coined the pharse in his Farewell Address to
the Nation on January 17, 1961. I added education to this here because
most scientists end up working in either education or the
military-industrial complex. Thus, the way education and the
military-industry complex are intertwined is an interesting issue from
an epistemological perspective. From a political perspective, the
complex could indeed be widened to a
legislature-judiciary-education-military-industrial complex. That would
of course raise even more protests that discussions here were too
political, so it's better to start with brining up the link between
education and the military-industrial complex. Furthermore, reform is
most urgently needed in the military. Once competition is established
successfully in the military, the rest will follow.

> > I ask for arguments, zinnic! Why don't you come up with an argument why the
> > military shouldn't be split up, zinnic?

> If you cannot detect arguments, against the practicality of a split up,
> in the following extract from one of my previous posts, then you do not
> have the reading comprehension one would expect in a 12-year old!.

> "Seven mini militia, each equipped appropriately
> with weapons that each believes will best discourage foreign
> encrouchment on the freedom of the whole US of A.
> A modest proposal, er ... suggestion. Each mini-militia should make TV
> presentations in which they first pledge their integrity and then
> describe their national defence plans whilst detailing their own
> strengths versus the weaknesses of the competing militias. Of course it

> must be made illegal for foreigners to watch these presentations. They
> should be open to the American public only.
> In addition, a group of leading  epistemologist could devise a survival

> type reality TV program. The seven militias would be encouraged to
> 'strut their stuff' in a series of such programs. The overall
> winner of the series would be selected by the votes of the viewing
> public. What think you?
> I agree that this raises the problem of how the vote could be recorded
> without the malign influence of foreign interests. My suggestion (not
> proposal) to protect against fraudulent mail-in votes by foreign
> nationals, is that the  public record on their 1040 tax returns as to
> which militia they vote be awarded the Federal  taxes relating to
> national defence and homeland security."

I did NOT propose for the US to tender out its defence. I did NOT
propose for people to select any winner of such tendering process by
vote. I DO propose a plit-up of the military, resulting in structurally
separate corporations to offer security services, competing for
customers in all areas. Initially, government will be the main customer
of these corporations. Government should spread out its need for
security services over a wide range of corporations, to ensure the
viability of this plurality of service providers. Progressively, tax
deductions and vouchers will enable more direct provision of security
services by such corporations to a variety of customers. Government as
a customer will thus gradually decrease in importance, as other
customers (including companies, non-profit organizations, families and
individuals) proportionally take an ever-larger share of the market in
security services.

Sam


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