I have never met a circle....
nominal9
interest....
Looks good...
Here's my own take on epistemology
>From 2005.... going back to the 1980's
Hope this one takes, I tried this morning but the message did not get
through.
Alex:
Bluff and Bluster...is all you have Alex. As usual, you will notice I
am providing all the knowledge and the original thought.... All you
can do is parrot the works of others and show off at the expense of
their original contributions.... Keep squawking and flashing your
gaudy feathers, Alex... Does it honestly take that much to learn to
say.... "Polly wants a cracker"?
I can out-think you in four ways, at the least.
Remember my quote... "I have never met a circle or its diameter but
your ass resembles them. Like it or not, your ass stinks"... If you
haven't seen it, the rest of it goes as follows:
"Something you tell a Realist.... I have never met a circle or its
diameter but your ass resembles them."
"Something you tell an Idealist... Like it or not, your ass stinks."
"Something you tell a Phenomenologist... I have never met a circle or
its diameter but your ass resembles them, and, like it or not, your
ass stinks."
"Something you tell a Nominalist... Ya can't tell a Nominalist a
friggin' thing. He's the know-it-all tellin' everyone else off."
Now, Alex, keep in mind the prerogatives of authorship, copyright and
attribution.... These are my ideas, thoughts etc. .... Don't
plagiarize or thieve. ... Somehow I wouldn't put it past you.
So, what do I mean by these four "words"... in order to explain them,
I have to introduce a few more "words".... "Objective" and
"Subjective" as well as "Concept"and "Reference" or, if you prefer
"Idea" and "Matter".... Look them up in any dictionary.... their
normal, accepted definitions will be enough to understand what I am
getting at.... I think.
A Realist concedes only the Objective existence of Matter... even the
biological Mind is a function of Matter, in their opinion. So, for a
Realist a Concept-Idea is Objective.... and a Reference-Matter is
Objective also. Now, do you see the point in telling a Realist... "I
have never met a circle or its diameter, but your ass resembles them"?
It is to make the Realist face up to the flaw in his epistemological
stance.... There may not be any objectively existing things called
"ideas" in nature but their forms or their guiding principles seem to
somehow order and mold real things.
An Idealist, on the other hand, concedes only (you guessed it) the
Subjective existence Ideas. In an Idealist's opinion, even Matter is a
function of the mind's view of it. So, for an Idealist a Concept-Idea
is Subjective.... and a Reference Matter is Subjective, as well......
Now, do you see the point in telling an Idealist... "Like it or not,
your ass stinks."? It is to make the Idealist face up to the flaw in
his epistemological stance.... Try as he might, the Idealist cannot
stop his ass from stinking. Which is to say, his subjective mind
cannot, through its own subjective operation "really " alter the
objective dictates of matter.
But a Nominalist,TO MY OWN WAY OF THINKING, combines and strikes a
balance between Realists and Idealists. MY OWN BIAS IS THAT THE
NOMINALIST GETS IT ALL RIGHT, EPISTEMOLOGICALLY. A nominalist
recognizes that Ideas or Concepts are Subjective.... but the
nominalist also sees that References or Matter are/is Objective.
Therefore, the nominalist "knows it all". There is more to it.... I
would suggest that you refer to William of Ockham for some
amplification of the basics of nominalism.... ( I like to say that I
am a "Billy-O" disciple, jokingly).
Now, a Phenomenologist is all confused. Phenomenologists came last to
the epistemological table. In order to try to be original.... they
combined the Realist view as to Idea-Concepts as being Objective....
with the Idealist view of References-Matter as being Subjective. A
phenomenologist thinks that he has an objective idea of the "essence"
of any given thing in his mind and that the actual manifestation of
the "thing" in the sphere of matter is only an imperfect Subjective
interpretation of it. Therefore, you should at least understand, Alex
(even if you disagree), that when I say to a phenomenologist.... "I
have never met a circle or its diameter but your ass resembles them,
and, like it or not, your ass stinks.".... I am just trying to point
out the phenomenologist's total misapprehension of the epistemological
state of affairs.
So, which are you, Alex?.... I can usually spot 'em quite a ways
off.... Mencken is an Idealist with a racist bent (thinks he's
"superior" but he never quite says to what).... he apes Hegel and
Nietzsche, just doesn't understand them. Now you, however, if you are
a run-of the mill English major..... chances are that most of your
"training" is along the "phenomenologist" lines..... all screwed up.
Bert
P.S. Notice, Alex.... I delivered in all my posts. So, Alex, as
you yourself said..... maybe now you too can begin to "perceive things
as Bert the Genius does." Do you stand by your insult of calling me
"anal"?.... well, in the overall sense of my above chosen "ass"
metaphor, I am. I am not vain. I am not a "genius", necessarily, just
more knowledgeable in some areas that you.... Think of it as a Venn
(?) diagram.... we are all circles of varying sizes and our respective
amounts of knowledge are like edges or portions that overlap......
Who knows, maybe my own circle totally surrounds yours and is vastly
larger in orders of magnitude.... Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha....
DO NOT PLAGIARIZE MY STUFF, Alex, et al.
Censors are to Free speech and literature as Kapos are to Prison Camps.
nominal9
"A posteriori, or when to wipe your ass"
I have been having a discussion, on another board with a certain
poster regarding... among other things, epsitemology....
Dear nom--
Have you published a book? I do believe you have to a) have
written a book, and b) had it published, before it can be banned.
Not that I don't know people for whom _a priori_ banning seems
desirable.
--Diana
www.dianagabaldon.com
As you can see from the above, the said poster appears to be a
Phenomenologist when it comes to epistemology.... the telltale is her
use of the term.... "a priori". For those who may not know it, that
term was used to best effect by the philosopher Emmanuel Kant,
probably the originator or best exponent of Phenomenology.
Here's a definition of ... a priori.... below:
A proposition is knowable a priori iff one could be justified in
believing it on the basis of reason alone. If experience must in some
way enter into the justification, it is said to be only knowable a
posteriori.
www.shef.ac.uk/~phil/other/philterms.html
As you see.... a priori.... generally means something which is known
in and of itself.... without recourse to experience. Kant went a bit
further than this....he posited that there were.... a priori forms of
intuition, such as "time" and "space" ... which were totally
independent of experience or "empirical" touch and feel things or
matter. Kant carried this notion of .... a priori.... to assert that
there existed "pure thoughts of objects in general" with the emphasis
on the "thoughts" .... irrespective of the objects as matter. Kant
also carried this notion of ... a priori... forward to assert that
"pure intellectual concepts are not derived from sense experience",
but instead that it is the other way around.... sense experience
"phenomenon" (according to the Phenomenologists) are all "subjective"
appearances that must be "categorized" into one or more of these
"pure" concepts. In this way, for the Phenomenologist, the concept is
the "perfect" epistemologically objective aspect to which the
imperfect subjective matter must be reconciled.
Me, as a nominalist, I believe that this is totally misguided. I think
that it is the other way around.... nothing can be known by a
conscious mind.... a priori (prior to experience).... everything must
be learned by the thinking mind, instead.... a posteriori ( after
experience)..... The concept aspect, to my nominalist thinking is
subjective and it is only valid to the extent that, empirically, it
actually serves to explain or account for the workings of the matter
aspect.
Let me get to my humorous metaphor....
Question:
If you take a crap.... at what point do you wipe your ass?
Do you wipe your ass.... a priori....?
Or do you wipe your ass..... a posteriori?
Answer, Phenomenologist:
If you know that you are going to take a crap eventually and you are a
"brainy" "sanitary" phenomenologist you may think to yourself.... Ha,
I have this "a priori" concept of taking a crap.... so I will now
wipe my ass beforehand and perfectly deal with the situation.
(Idealists can be the same as phenomenologists when it comes to
matter).
Answer, Nominalist:
The nominalist, on the other hand, knows through experience that when
he feels certain sensations in his bowels.... he is about to take a
crap.... which the nominalist proceeds to do. After which "experience"
the "sanitary" nominalist then proceeds to wipe his ass. (Materialists
can be the same as nominalists when it comes to matter).
So.... the difference is that even "sanitary" phenomenologists have
the tendency to go through life with a stinkin', "crappy ass" whereas
"sanitary" nominalists always have a non-odorous, "clean ass"....
Maybe in another post I can deal with the issue of teaching
phenomenologists the difference between their asses and a hole in the
ground....
nominal9
nominal9
Censors are to Free speech and literature as Kapos are to Prison Camps
Below is a list... to date... of pretty much the "mangy" censors and
the Neo-Nazi and Neo-Fascist internet sites where, yours truly,
nominal9 has been either censored out or downright "banned"..... And I
bet y'all thought that the Stalinist / Maoist Communists or the Nazis
and Fascists were the only ones who stooped to such tactics of
ABRIDGING FREEDOM OF POLITICAL SPEECH AND EXPRESSION.... Well, think
again... The CENSORS ARE RIGHT HERE IN THE U.S. of A. ... AND ON THIS
INTERNET, TOO. Mostly they are on the Conservative right... I submit
that even the "Political Correctness" crowd are actually Right-
Wingers.... they just lie about it.
CENSORING SYSOP......... BRAIN WASHING..........................
POLITICALLY
KAPOS..............................MESSAGE
BOARDS......................BOUGHT OFF ISPS
Dave Cunningham........................ Republican
Forum................ Compuserve
Richard Whaley............................Republican
Forum.................Compuserve
Jim Dellon....................................Political
Debate.....................Compuserve
?.................................................Democratic
Forum..................Compuserve
?.................................................Italian
Language.....................AOL
?.................................................Agnosticism
Board.................Yahoo
Alex Krislov..................................Books &
Writers ....................Compuserve
David Chiefetz..............................Books &
Writers......................Compuserve
curtisakelly..................................African
American.....................Compuserve
aka "Othello"
John Barreiro................................Language
Forum.....................Compuserve
Earle Robinson.............................Language
Forum.....................Compuserve
John Linendoll...............................World
Issues..........................Compuserve
I TELL YA... IF IT WERE UP TO ME..... THESE LOW-LIFE KAPOS AND THEIR
NEO-NAZI, NEO-FASCIST AUTOCRATIC 'SUPERIORS' AT THE 'CORPORATE'
LEVEL.... COME THE 'REVOLUTION'............ THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST
I' D PUT WITH THEIR BACKS TO THE WALL....
BUT, IN THE EVENT THAT THE "REVOLUTION" NEVER GETS HERE... IF ANY OF
Y'ALL HAPPEN TO BELIEVE IN AN "AFTERLIFE"... MAYBE THESE LOWLIFES WILL
GET THEIR JUST DESERTS IN HELL... HOW ABOUT IF THEY WERE MADE TO
SUFFER ETERNITY "LITERALLY" IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY "FIGURATIVELY"
WENT THROUGH LIFE.... WITH THEIR HEADS UP THEIR "ARSES" AND WITH
"FECES FOR BRAINS"????...... NOW THAT WOULD BE DIVINE
RETRIBUTION....IN MY OPINION..... WELL WORTH A PRAYER, EVEN FROM ME.
But what can be done in the "here and now"?..... Well, just bide my
words and head my caution about these lowlifes.... don't waste your
time or your breath with such snakes in the grass.....fore-warned is
fore-armed.... maybe pass the word... and if any of y'all can add to
this list of..... CENSORSHIP HALL OF "SHAME"... you may be doing
others (and me definitely) a favor by giving the "heads-up"....
NOMINAL9
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Peter Kodrucz
Accept my apologies, i am not a scholar, i am just a plain sw engineer, no training in philosophy and epistemology.
I understand Einstein-Minkowski-Fitzgerald contraction, Riemann, Alonso, Turing, Chomskian generative parsing, Chaitin's algorithmic compressibility, Feinmanns diagram of QED, Casti, Mandelbrot, etc.
But I am struggling with shit shit, idiot, crap, etc.
Is that science or Donald Duck in Baghdad?
Can someone enlighten me in the name of science of epistemology or it is waste of time, space, electricity and existence????????????
Anyone who knows about Bolyai-Lobatchevski- Riemann geometry, Klein-Kazula 10 - 11 dimensional geometry at least done some home work. Listen to him.
He may be idiot, but at least SOBER.
Can someone tell me I joined Micky mouse here hiding under epistemology???
Peter Kodrucz
Regards
Peter Kodrucz
Mob:
pkod...@iprimus.com.au
pkod...@gmail.com
Georges Metanomski
======================================================
I cannot enlighten you in the name of "science of
epistemology", but I can relate my own bit of
knowledge and, above all the ways that lead me to it,
which may, hopefully, be of some assistance.
Upon my joining Infeld's branch of Einstein's team,
he told me to forget all I learned before and to
re-learn it all from the scratch by myself focusing
on gist for the following reasons:
A.Schools' and textbooks' mathematics are mostly ill
founded and misguiding as to their gist.
B.Entry to Physics leads through imagination and
mental
experiments. If one enters via equations, even well
founded ones will hide Physics, like trees hiding
the
wood. Ill founded textbooks' equations will hide and
muddle everything.
So I tried to forget and to rederive all by my own
means, guided but not taught by Infeld. I soon
realized that my original "knowledge" was that of a
parrot and that I had not understood the simplest
issues, such as:
-What's the mathematical nature of differential dy
(dy=f'(x)dx) and is it infinitesimal, finite, or
maybe none, if it makes any sense?
-What's the physical gist of "mass", energy" and
"matter"?
-What is a vector?
-What do we understand by co- and contravariant
vector?
-Is force co- or contravariant and why?
-What is the exact mathematical nature of the magnetic
field vector?
I realized also that without clearly understanding
those and many other similar issues I could not
understand anything of Physics.
My first suggestion, like that of Infeld, would be to
have a shot at the above and find out where you stand.
Then we could proceed to higher things.
You may perhaps object that it's Physics and you were
looking for assistance in Epistemology. However, it
so happens that current Ontology and Epistemology is,
or rather should be derived from fundamental Physics
and that only getting the gist of Physics opens the
door of contemporary Philosophy. Gist, not just
equations.
I could not more agree with your apologia of home
work.
Yet, it should lead to understanding and not be
limited to learning equations by heart. I respect
your efforts, but have some doubts about the
pertinency
of of the mix you list as understood. And, unless it's
a typo sort of misunderstanding, I have doubts if you
really understand the "Einstein-Minkowski-Fitzgerald
contraction".
Actually, there ain't no such animal. On the one hand
we have the Lorentz-Fitzgerald body contraction and,
on the other hand, the Einstein-Minkowski space
contraction and time dilation, which have opposite
physical and philosophical gist. Maybe, you wish to
discuss it a bit in depth?
Georges.
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Cool. You are right on the money. I am not arguing against you i am with you.
A. If you bother reading Lakoff, right, maths is a kind of concoction. Incomplete as Goedel prooved it.
B. Physics is a lot of matter of interpretation, but a very good approximation in many cases
Am i wrong? sure. Are you god infinite blessing's of the universe?? There are about 33000 mathematical studies, beyond single human capacity. Are you basking in the glory of infinite knowledge??
Finite wetware (brain) will never be infinite. Be a bit more humble with your arrogance. We will be history soon. The universe will not remember us. We are just matter, reflection in a pond.
but i like your intelligence immensily - i think you are very likable
nominal9
Our "spheres" of knowledge appear to be totally diverse....
You two gentlemen appear to be quite knowledgeable in "Physics", the
"Mathematical" disciplines and "Science", overall. I envy you both....
I tried in my early years to go down that path.... but it became
too.... complicated. I do have great respect for the "theoretical"
side of what you gentlemen appear to be able to do.... I just cannot
"crunch" the numbers to get there. I went down the "language" side of
things.... literature and old-fashioned... pre-scientific...
philosophy.
Anyway, if you are interested to any extent... on this Google Groups
site, in the "humanities" thread, I have included an analysis of the
Snow White Fairy Tale, version by the Brothers Grimm, using my so-
called NOMINAL9 THEMATIC DIALECTIC LOGIC. Basically. what I do is
separate what I call an Applied Sign Ethical Level where one makes "
GOOD vs BAD Value Judgments" about both "ideas" and "things" (that I
combine into "courses of action")... from a Language Sign Ontological
Level where one makes FACT vs FANCY and MANIFEST vs CONCEAL value
judgments about the actual "reality" or "existence" of those same
underlying Applied Sign "ideas" and "things" (that compose "courses
of action").......
My approach is more.... common sensical, and derivative. I do not
deal in "experimentation" or in the "testing" of "theories" to
establish the actual make-up of the fabric of "reality" like the
"scientific community" does.... I just try to establish, when it comes
to either actual "courses of action" that are either "written about'
in history or fiction... or when it comes to the actual Human
Experience of trying some said "courses of action" out.... whether the
said "courses of action".... WORKED... ie., were able to be
successfully effected as an "ontologically" FACTUAL POSSIBILITY, in
the context in question.... and either way why or why not? and was
that GOOD or a BAD "ethical" outcome.... all roughly speaking and
according to the "author" in question, of course.
It was nice making your acquaintance.... As to "epistemology"...... I
have a question for you, gentlemen..... So, "experimentally"..... is
Matter Subjective or is Matter Objective..... Before the Big
Bang....was matter really Created From Nothingness and what the heck
does that mean? And as to Concepts, are they Subjective or
Objective? ...... What happens to old "scientific" concepts, theories
and explanations that have since been proven wrong.... does that mean
that they no longer "exist"? or hold any sense or meaning whatsoever?
When someone says that the Sun Rises in the East and Sets in the
West.....is that person.... wrong... because the sun neither rises
nor sets but instead the Earth rotates? That isn't a trite
statement.... I just want to point out that even in an eventually
"wrong" theory.... there is many times at least a modicum of
"practical" truth. Who's to say that.... like Ptolemy.... Einstein
will not someday be thought to have been a misguided dreamer?
nominal9
On May 4, 9:20 pm, "Peter Kodrucz" <pkodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> George,
>
> Cool. You are right on the money. I am not arguing against you i am with
> you.
>
> A. If you bother reading Lakoff, right, maths is a kind of concoction.
> Incomplete as Goedel prooved it.
>
> B. Physics is a lot of matter of interpretation, but a very good
> approximation in many cases
>
> Am i wrong? sure. Are you god infinite blessing's of the universe?? There
> are about 33000 mathematical studies, beyond single human capacity. Are you
> basking in the glory of infinite knowledge??
>
> Finite wetware (brain) will never be infinite. Be a bit more humble with
> your arrogance. We will be history soon. The universe will not remember us.
> We are just matter, reflection in a pond.
>
> but i like your intelligence immensily - i think you are very likable
>
> On 5/5/07, Georges Metanomski <z...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > ____________________________________________________________________________________
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Jan Braeken
Dear Peter and everyone,
I felt the need to explain a little here what I wrote on the third enlightenment. I repeat it is a hypothesis and of course a very bizarre and wild one ; I am aware of that, but by it’s nature it also gives me great joy and a great sense of freedom. And it includes infinite love too, but the human kind. (No offence to anyone, but I think gods are fine for our imagination, as long as we remember that it is we that imagine ; just an opinion of mine). This enlightenment is absolutely not based on any religion, but I try to include all religions in it with this same love, even though that seems very difficult for me for now. (I still have to learn a lot). It is not boring to me though, on the contrary, and you can include all Chatboxes, all boredom and all serious, funny, scientific and non-scientific platforms in it too if you like ; that is no problem. I will try to do that too now. As long as you do not exclusively reduce it to them and exclude feelings or quit without feelings, I see no difference in opinion. And different opinions are also part of it.
On point 1 below, Peter, I think this is an all way conference here. Nobody is excluded. On the second point I think infinite gravity is balanced by infinite antigravity. (Everything has it’s opposite.) Third point is easy ; I am not intelligent. It certainly seems difficult to say what intelligence is when I start to study that word, character by character, beginning with the character “i”, followed by “n”, “t”, etc. I such a study many questions arise : why does this very specific sequence of characters exist ? Where does that sequence come from ? And what are characters fundamentally ? Why do we call them “tokens”, but use characters for tokens too ? Are characters the exclusive possession of words ? What fundamental role do characters have in the construction of meaning, and is our alphabet the mother of meaning because also meaning is comprised by characters ? Difficult and unknown territory for me, but fascinating. Maybe I made some progress today in semiotics, and one hour ago in feelings too (after seeing a brilliant French movie about pain in failing relationships). It feels good now. I continue.
Feel free though everyone. All of this is a hypothesis and a possibility in my view. It is not a prison, because it is open, just like infinity. If you think it is nonsense, that is fine too. No problem. Then just forget about it. No problem.
Cheers.
Jan
Peter Kodrucz
oki doki, we do not have to agree, but i cannot accept puts down as " I am not intelligent'.
You can shoot me, hate me, but you are not allowed by me to call yourself unintelligent.
You are the miracle of universe, too. Don't you ever dare to degrade yourself.
THATS EPISTEMOLOGY for you
loving you unknowingly peter
Jan Braeken
Thank you very much Peter.
I would like to react to your post by a new thread.
At this very moment millions of people have nothing to eat.
More millions have no place to sleep tonight, and cannot read or write.
Should we give them food and a place to stay today,
or epistemology and a space to play our way ?
>
> but i like your intelligence immensely - i think you are very likable
>
> On 5/5/07, Georges Metanomski <z...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> > --- Peter Kodrucz < pkodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
nominal9
HALL OF SHAME. as rendered below.
It is:
Dennis E. Davies......Languages Forum.....Compuserve
This "arrogant character" not only censored one of my posts... but had
the crap-headed" temerity to comment on the "worth" of the comntent
that I was stymied from expressing and he labeled it as....not of
value.... Actually, my deleted topic was the (totally bogus, in my
opinion) claim of a "biological" intellectual superiority that is
claimed by some ethnicitties or races of people, in this case, by some
people who are themselves ethnic and racial Jews and claim "biological
intellectual superiority" due to their particular and specific
Jewishness....Whwther or not these said, I call them Zionist Racist,
Jews speak for all Jewsish people is for the said "other" Jewish
people to either assert or deny for themselves.. Me, I think that
these said "claims" of "biological intellectual superiority" are
garbage and are reminiscent of the whole Uber-Mensch Racial
Superiority trash promulgated by Hitler and thge Nazis.... Maybe I
will reproduce that "deleted" posting of mine on this board, to let
anyone interested make up their own minds as to my reasoning and my
proof for my counter arguments... in another posting.
Anyway, Mr. Davies.... welcome( in a sarcastic way, of course) to my
Society of Pisspot Censoring Sysop KAPOS...
nominal9
PS. My list , below, did not copy correctly... I will try to correct
it in the "paste".
NOMINAL9'S CENSORSHIP HALL OF "SHAME"
Censors are to Free speech and literature as Kapos are to Prison
Camps
Below is a list... to date... of pretty much the "mangy" censors and
the Neo-Nazi and Neo-Fascist internet sites where, yours truly,
nominal9 has been either censored out or downright "banned"..... And
I
bet y'all thought that the Stalinist / Maoist Communists or the Nazis
and Fascists were the only ones who stooped to such tactics of
ABRIDGING FREEDOM OF POLITICAL SPEECH AND EXPRESSION.... Well, think
again... The CENSORS ARE RIGHT HERE IN THE U.S. of A. ... AND ON THIS
INTERNET, TOO. Mostly they are on the Conservative right... I
submit
that even the "Political Correctness" crowd are actually Right-
Wingers.... they just lie about it.
CENSORING SYSOP KAPOS......... BRAIN WASHING MMESSAGE
BOARDS...........POLITICALLY
BOUGHT OFF ISPS
Richard Whaley............................Republican
Forum.................Compuserve
Jim Dellon....................................Political
Debate.....................Compuserve
?.................................................Democratic
Forum..................Compuserve
?.................................................Italian
Language.....................AOL
?.................................................Agnosticism
Board.................Yahoo
curtisakelly..................................African
American.....................Compuserve
aka "Othello"
John Linendoll...............................World
Issues..........................Compuserve
NOMINAL9
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>
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--- nominal9 <nomi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Whatever he wrote, it's a pity we don't have a censor
empowered to scrap this spam.
Georges
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I see you are very upset, and I try to understand that.
If I were in your shoes, I would change your Hall of ... to the Hall of
Additions, and delete those names. Because I would not put so much energy in
these people you try to shame, for they will even get more attention and
more energy from you out of that. It seems wiser to give attention to your
own ideas, and just let them be. If they are hazardous, the world will
forget about them and they will loose interest in their activities the
minute people stop putting their energy in protesting against them.
Cheers.
Jan
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: episte...@googlegroups.com [mailto:episte...@googlegroups.com]
Namens nominal9
Verzonden: zaterdag 16 juni 2007 13:10
Aan: Epistemology
Onderwerp: [epistemology 5466] Re: I have never met a circle....
Peter Kodrucz
I tried to send two files to the group, a powerpoint and rar zip file, both 6 Mb and it bounced back only up to 1Mb we can send files.
any suggestion how to solve that (i do not have time break down the crap and send 20 mails.
ciao pete
george, what is your background - you are very educated and knowledgable?
Georges Metanomski
--- Peter Kodrucz <pkod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ciao pete
>
> george, what is your background - you are very
> educated and knowledgable?
======================================================
I don't like to talk about myself unless asked to,
but as you ask, I don't see why not.
As to background, have a look at
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/metanomskiindex.htm
Chapter "A Personal Biography".
I'm not educated at all: I never went to any school,
as there were no schools in occupied Poland, let alone
in the Ghetto.
As to knowledgeable, I am to some extent, in such
areas in which I gathered experience:
Researching in Einstein's team I conceived a
derivation of E=MC^2
http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/RELATIVISTIC_DIALECTIC/D_OUTLINE_OF_EINSTEINS_RELATIVITY/DB_SPECIAL_RELATIVITY/dbe_emc2.html
which Einstein considered as most rigorous and used
in subsequent lectures.
I defined also the concepts of Phenomenal Equivalence
which is the cornerstone of Epistemology and Logic
derived from the Extended Relativity.
For Logic based upon it see
http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/RELATIVISTIC_DIALECTIC/C_MODELING_AND_LOGIC/CC_PHENOMENALISTIC_LOGIC_OF_RD/cca_cognitive_network.html
I programmed it as AI and used in particular:
-In Haifa University, as support of a Jews/Arabs
workshop researching consensus for a compromise
solution of th ME conflict, whose surprising
success was one of the triggers of the Israeli
peace movement.
-As AI manager at Unisys, for several projects.
In Numeric Calculus I have conceived:
-A method determining trajectories of supersonic
engins, unique at the time being that did not
oscillate and diverge.
-Several methods of solving partial differential
systems governing the viscous flow through porous
and permeable media, used to schedule production
of oil fields as well as to predict and optimize
their performance.
-In Computing Modeling I defined an approach to
System and DB design based upon my AI Logic,
recognized by Unisys, who created for me a post
description "International expert of exceptional
projects".
As you seem to be an accomplished programmer, we
may perhaps find some common language and mutual
understanding.
Georges.
======================================================
Peter Kodrucz
i am hungarian. i ent to zakopane many years ago.
i loved it - loved the people.
so teach us tiger
ciao pete
Peter Kodrucz
yak ce mash??? whatever
ich glaube du kannst deutsch 'rumlabern, ge?
il y a deja plus que 20 annee j'ai bavardais en francais
my mother was in german concentration camp as a hungarian jew
my father was in odessa for 4 years as POW
i live in melbourne now - worked in africa, taiwan, india,germany, hong kong, singapore, kuala lumpur
your website is cool, i have no time to proof read it, i have no time at all, but you are well read
cool staff - cool bananas
ciao pete
Sam Carana
Peter Kodrucz
i have two files up to 6Mb each.
help gorgeous
ciao
Jan Braeken
Cheers !
Can you tell me if the word "relativistic", as applied to propositions,
could be replaced by the word "relational", or "relatistic", relating to
specific contexts ?
In that way, you may have learned many things in your experiences, in
connection with Einstein's and QF's laws of physical relativity.
Cheers!
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: episte...@googlegroups.com [mailto:episte...@googlegroups.com]
Namens Georges Metanomski
Verzonden: zaterdag 16 juni 2007 22:01
Aan: episte...@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: [epistemology 5477] Re: I have never met a circle....
Georges Metanomski
--- Peter Kodrucz <pkod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> that's enough for me. i salut you. you are my guru.
> you are an accomplished
> philosopher.
=====================================================
G:
Not guru, please, but perhaps sensei, as my disciples
call me in my Zen Combat. That leaves me free to
make mistakes and to learn from you.
=====================================================
> i am hungarian. i ent to zakopane many years ago.
> i loved it - loved the people.
=====================================================
G:
I met lots of Hungarians in Zakopane where they were
taken in as refugees from the Budapest Uprising.
Magyar and Lengyel were brothers throughout the
history. One of the greatest Polish kings was Stefan
Batory and Bem, the "Hero of Two Countries", was
commanding the Hungarian forces in Transylvania in
the freedom war against Austria.
=====================================================
> so teach us tiger
ciao pete
=====================================================
G:
I don't believe in teaching. Let me quote the final
section of my "Dream"
http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/LITERATURE/a_dream.html
===========================
3. THE DAWN
The sun emerged from behind the crests like a
triumphal
symphony and spread its splendor over the serene
waters of
the lake. And I knew the answer, dazzling, clear and
obvious.
There is nothing to teach. Learn we must. Learn
together to
listen to our consciences, for so long buried, buried
under
tons of garbage.
=========================
Georges.
=====================================================
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Thanks again. I answered your previous post.
Impressing destiny:
Mother victim of Germans,
Father forced to fight for Germans.
Yet against the subsequent Soviet occupant.
Georges
==================================================
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--- Jan Braeken <jan_b...@skynet.be> wrote:
>
> Great website George.
> Cheers !
> Can you tell me if the word "relativistic", as
> applied to propositions,
> could be replaced by the word "relational", or
> "relatistic", relating to
> specific contexts ?
====================================================
G:
Thanks.
As to the terms:
Naive language proposition assigns property to
a subject-entity.
Relativistic Dialectic (RD) replaces it with
Relation of two Entities ("subject" and "predicate"),
in the fundamental "ER" structure E1-R-E2.
It may be shown that all meaningful Propositions
reduce to this schema, but it takes a thick book of
a linguistic study.
"Relativistic", or "Relative" expresses the mutual
relativity of E1, E2, embodied by R.
"Relational" or "relatistic" would put too much
stress on R and not enough on the mutual
relativity of E1, E2.
RD is not limited at one ERE proposition, but defines
the context, a whole ER cognitive structure which
may be expressed in metalanguage as a structure
of ERE propositions.
see:
http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/RELATIVISTIC_DIALECTIC/C_MODELING_AND_LOGIC/CC_PHENOMENALISTIC_LOGIC_OF_RD/cca_cognitive_network.html
Georges.
====================================================
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--- Georges Metanomski <zg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
====================================================
Sorry, its a repetition, because the link to "Dream"
got screwed up. Hope, it's OK now.
Georges
====================================================
>
>
> --- Peter Kodrucz <pkod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > that's enough for me. i salut you. you are my
> guru.
> > you are an accomplished
> > philosopher.
> ==================================================
> G:
> Not guru, please, but perhaps sensei, as my
> disciples
> call me in my Zen Combat. That leaves me free to
> make mistakes and to learn from you.
> ==================================================
> > i am hungarian. i ent to zakopane many years ago.
> > i loved it - loved the people.
> ==================================================
> G:
> I met lots of Hungarians in Zakopane where they were
> taken in as refugees from the Budapest Uprising.
> Magyar and Lengyel were brothers throughout the
> history. One of the greatest Polish kings was Stefan
> Batory and Bem, the "Hero of Two Countries", was
> commanding the Hungarian forces in Transylvania in
> the freedom war against Austria.
> ==================================================
> > so teach us tiger
> ciao pete
> ==================================================
> G:
> I don't believe in teaching. Let me quote the final
> section of my "Dream"
http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/LITERATURE/a_dream.html
> ===========================
> 3. THE DAWN
>
> The sun emerged from behind the crests like a
> triumphal
> symphony and spread its splendor over the serene
> waters of
> the lake. And I knew the answer, dazzling, clear and
> obvious.
> There is nothing to teach. Learn we must. Learn
> together to
> listen to our consciences, for so long buried,
> buried
> under
> tons of garbage.
> =========================
>
> Georges.
> ==================================================
____________________________________________________________________________________
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--- Georges Metanomski <zg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
====================================================
Sorry, its a repetition, because the link to "Dream"
got screwed up. Hope, it's OK now.
Georges
====================================================
>
>
> --- Peter Kodrucz <pkod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > that's enough for me. i salut you. you are my
> guru.
> > you are an accomplished
> > philosopher.
> ==================================================
> G:
> Not guru, please, but perhaps sensei, as my
> disciples
> call me in my Zen Combat. That leaves me free to
> make mistakes and to learn from you.
> ==================================================
> > i am hungarian. i ent to zakopane many years ago.
> > i loved it - loved the people.
> ==================================================
> G:
> I met lots of Hungarians in Zakopane where they were
> taken in as refugees from the Budapest Uprising.
> Magyar and Lengyel were brothers throughout the
> history. One of the greatest Polish kings was Stefan
> Batory and Bem, the "Hero of Two Countries", was
> commanding the Hungarian forces in Transylvania in
> the freedom war against Austria.
> ==================================================
> > so teach us tiger
> ciao pete
> ==================================================
> G:
> I don't believe in teaching. Let me quote the final
> section of my "Dream"
http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/LITERATURE/a_dream.html
> ===========================
> 3. THE DAWN
>
> The sun emerged from behind the crests like a
> triumphal
> symphony and spread its splendor over the serene
> waters of
> the lake. And I knew the answer, dazzling, clear and
> obvious.
> There is nothing to teach. Learn we must. Learn
> together to
> listen to our consciences, for so long buried,
> buried
> under
> tons of garbage.
> =========================
>
> Georges.
> ==================================================
____________________________________________________________________________________
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Cheers!
XXX Jan
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: episte...@googlegroups.com [mailto:episte...@googlegroups.com]
Namens Georges Metanomski
Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2007 11:47
Aan: episte...@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: [epistemology 5487] Re: I have never met a circle....
Jan Braeken
Cheers!
X Jan
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: episte...@googlegroups.com [mailto:episte...@googlegroups.com]
Namens Georges Metanomski
Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2007 10:45
Aan: episte...@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: [epistemology 5484] Re: I have never met a circle....
nominal9
posting... below. I take it to have been critical or derogatory with
reference to me. Am I reading you and understanding you correctly? Are
you siding with those named "censors" and with the whole idea of
Censorship in general ... or are you somehow stating that some
specific people or, actually, thought and writings should be
censored.... my own among them. I read a bit of your "linked"
biograpy, and I was rather impressed... you have had a very
interesting and experienced life, an especially difficult one, given
your WWII era expereinces. You seem to merit Life Authority from it
and should be a person worth hearing out and listening to. However, I
find it all the more disheartening that, given your apparent self-
taught intelligence and meritorious difficult Life Experience, you
shopuld side with Censors and with people who assert a "biological
intellectual superiority" over others... regardless of which Race or
Ethnicity the said assertios of Superiority come from.....
Disheartening, indeed. Anyway.... I have done a bit of "study" of my
own into things Philosophical.... I would recommend that you look into
William Of Ockham, Empiricism and the Nominalists generally, instead
of Kant and his Phenomenologist successors. I have also included in
one of my postings above a reference to my posting on the Humanities
site of these same Google Groups which gives you an introduction to my
own NOMINAL 9 THEMATIC DIALECTIC LOGIC... analytical method.... I will
put it up against your own Relativistic method any day of the
week..... and better it, I think.
Well, Mr. Metanomski, I do hope that there has been a misunderstanding
between us and that you were not truly being critical in my regard as
to "censorship" or as to the topic of "biological intellectual
superiority"..... But if you were... keep in mind, you of most people
should know from personal experience that .... Kapos, are usually
drawn from your own kith and kin..... even "oppressed" people do some
very strange things when under stress....
nominal9
--- nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Whatever he wrote, it's a pity we don't have a censor
empowered to scrap this spam.
Georges
On Jun 16, 7:26 am, Georges Metanomski <z...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Whatever he wrote, it's a pity we don't have a censor
> empowered to scrap this spam.
> Georges
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
nominal9
Can I presume to use your first name? I do so since that is how you
closed your own post, below, to which I reply. I understand your
reasoning... "ignore them (i.e., the "censors") and do not give their
"views" the "favor" of repetition". I do not agree. I find that, some
people.... the "aggressive", in-your-face litigious sort..... view the
silence of their opposition as an indication that they have somehow
"won" the argument. Rather, my own opinion is that when dealing with
such "loudmouth" sorts who think only to "shout the loudest".... the
thing to do is to redouble your own efforts and just constantly wear
them down with the proof of their own idiocy..... hence, just show
them up as being constantly in error in all of their statements or
assertions... which they usually are.... wrong, that is. Give them no
quarter... mercy in argument to them is, as I said, for them a
childish indication that they have, if nothing else, succeded in
exasperating you and shutting you up. I like to just continue
"sticking" it to them by "getting the last word".... it bugs them to
no end....
Nice talking to you....
nominal9
VB
*****
Hello Nominal,
I see you are very upset, and I try to understand that.
If I were in your shoes, I would change your Hall of ... to the Hall
of
Additions, and delete those names. Because I would not put so much
energy in
these people you try to shame, for they will even get more attention
and
more energy from you out of that. It seems wiser to give attention to
your
own ideas, and just let them be. If they are hazardous, the world
will
forget about them and they will loose interest in their activities
the
minute people stop putting their energy in protesting against them.
Cheers.
Jan
Jan Braeken
No problem. We are friends, no problem.
Well, you have some point. But what about the time that you could have spent
talking to other people that are friendly, far more interesting and smart,
and hence much more important ? I select my time that way anyway. We cannot
talk to everyone in the world at once, and choosing the wrong people might
not be beneficial to anyone, including ourselves. Loosing our energy,
especially our emotional energy, to hateful people on high towers may be a
big waste, for they might not change their opinion an inch, even after 60
years of arguing. My experience tells me that some people never change their
view, whatever true and crystal clear arguments one presents, because they
are arrogant. And those people are indeed a big waste of time. They
certainly are for me. There are still modest people out there with brilliant
minds and ideas, and we learn a billion times more talking to them than to
those arrogant fools that remain fools for the rest of their days. I push
those fools out of the way and ignore them.
But you are free to do as you please N., for I just might be one of those
fools. I can never be sure about that.
Cheers friend.
X Jan
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: episte...@googlegroups.com [mailto:episte...@googlegroups.com]
Namens nominal9
Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2007 3:10
Aan: Epistemology
Onderwerp: [epistemology 5520] Re: I have never met a circle....
nominal9
I try to reply when I can... sometimes I can't get around to it or it
just get lazy and forgetful.... rather rude on my part, I know....
sorry if I ever keep you waiting for an answer.
I appreciate your reply, below.... especially the part about
preferring to spend your time speaking with friendly and/or
interesting or smart people. That is a fine approach.... the propblem
is, sometimes I find that I do not have the luxury of such company....
actually, that would be most of the time, for me. That brings me to a
possible realization and "prompts" the following question.... Are you,
perhaps a "European" or other such "non-U.S." native or national? I do
not want to pry but it has dawned on me that this appears to be a
predominantly non-U.S. participant site. I, myself, am more used to
trading messages on mostly U.S. participant sites.... Therefore, the
quality or "caliber" of interlocutors that I usually have to treat
with comprises people who are neither.... "friendly"... nor all
that .... "smart", as you can perhaps gather from my NOMINAL9
CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME posting, here. I was born in Italy and left
when I was but a youngster.... then I went back a few times briefly
and also studied there at university for a short time. I like the
European "civil mind set" and "manners".... However, here in the U.S.
one must, perforce, somehow deal with the so-called "ugly American"
character.... with one further complication.... they are all around
and usually even more "arrogant" and "self-assuming" than when they go
on "vacation" abroad.... (That should raise some hackles among any
American readers on this site... don't you think, Jan?.... Frankly, I
kind of enjoy rattling their cages a bit.)
No Jan, I do not think you are one of those.... "fools".... even on an
off-chance.
Take care,
nominal9
Now I think I will try to get to my Humanities posting and try to tie
up some loose ends with the Grimm Snow White Tale analysis. I have
been lazy and have neglected it for a while... the last time I looked,
I seem to have garnered at least one overt interested reader..... many
of them just read what I write, tacitly, and then plagiarize it....
making believe that they knew what I taught them, all along. ////
Parrots, I call them. I like to say... "How much intelligence does it
take to learn to say "Polly wants a Cracker"?"
****
Cheers friend.
X Jan
Jan Braeken
later. That is no problem at all. I do that as well. Some posts need long
reflection, and I myself take a few months sometimes before replying. There
is no time limit on this forum. We are free. Besides, there is more
interesting stuff in the world than this forum, so don't bother leaving here
for some time if you feel like that. I would perfectly understand. There is
no problem.
Even do be lazy from time to time, because being lazy is healthy if you get
busy. It is the ones that work to much and are "never lazy" that are not
friendly. A good balance makes kind people, and you are one of them.
I was sorry to read that you have so little friendly, smart people to talk
to. I think that is a common problem throughout the world. Those people are
extremely rare. I live in Belgium (Europe), and I have the same problem
here. Anyway, lucky we have this forum in that regard. It makes our tough
lives a little more enjoyable.
Cheers friend.
X Jan
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: episte...@googlegroups.com [mailto:episte...@googlegroups.com]
Namens nominal9
Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2007 23:31
Aan: Epistemology
Onderwerp: [epistemology 5536] Re: I have never met a circle....
nominal9
moderator?.... on this site.
A few days ago, I tried to "post" an entry to this discussion
consisting of my "modifications" of the lyrics to the 1960's Rock song
titled "I-Feel-Like-I'm- Fixin'-To Die-Rag" authored by Country Joe
McDonald and performed by the Rock Group, Country Joe and the Fish.
I thought that my said modified lyrics, updated to treat the current
Middle East situation and the Iraq War in particular, had been
successfully posted... that is what the "banner" said at the end of my
entry, after I pushed the "Send" buttton.... but now, I see that the
entry is not here.
Mr. Carana or the pertinent.... "moderator"..... Can you tell me what
has happened.... Have I been "censored" here, too????
That would be a very sad "Shame".... I would have to , perhaps, seek a
new ..... venue..... Please let me know what is.... going on....
nominal9
On Jun 16, 1:00 pm, "Jan Braeken" <jan_brae...@skynet.be> wrote:
einseele
I rather believe this is some kind of system error. Happened to me
several times
> ...
>
> mais »
Sam Carana
censored at the moment, but sometimes there are technical glitches.
Also, note that if you're posting at the website, your post will go to
the author only if you reply to posts that are old (I believe more
than a month old). So, in such a case, your response will not go to
the group, nor will it show up in the qwebarchive, it will only go to
the author.
If you post on the web and want your post to go to the group and to
show up in the publuc webarchive, make sure you can click on the
"reply" button, rather than just on the "reply to author" button.
Otherwise, copy the text you want to reply to and post it in a new
message.
Cheers!
Sam Carana
nominal9
Thank you for your replies and for your reassurances. I will try
again. As I tried toi say in my post that did not take, the following
is one of the first "examples" of the "Censorship" that I was
subjected to by the Republican Forum on CompuServe and by AOL.... this
goes back years to on or about 2003 and 2004, at the beginnings of the
Iraq War.As some of you may know, Country Joe McDonald and the Fish is
an American Rock Group, perhaps best known for their 1960's Vietnam
War protest song titled "I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die-Rag". The said
group encourages others to "adapt" the Lyrics of their song to treat
any and all curent "War" scenarios and so protest them also by
"modifying whatever words of the Lyrics that may apply.... which is
what I did.... years ago.... but was not allowed to post on CompuServe
or AOL, as I said. below is the "link" to the "Country Joe and the
Fish" Web site containing the original Lyriocs to their protest ballad
and underneath I have "pasted" the said Lyrics with my "substitutions"
in Capital Letters.... basically, what I did was substitute the
original "Vietnam" with either "TO FIGHT ISLAM"... or in the
alternative.... "TO FIGHT SADDAM" (but then, Saddam was taken care of
quite a while ago, wasn't he?)> Furthermore, I have also "substituted"
the original "Wall Street", "commies" and some other words.... Hope
this post takes, this time
letters
http://www.well.com/~cjfish/game.htm
The Fish Cheer & I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die Rag
Gimme an B!
B!
Gimme an U!
U!
Gimme an S!
S!
Gimme an H!
H!
What's that spell ?
FVCK!
What's that spell ?
FVCK!
What's that spell ?
FVCK!
Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men, (or ...REPUBLICANS)
Uncle GEORGE needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in TO FIGHT ISLAM
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is TO FIGHT ISLAM;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Gotta go out and get those A-RABS -
The only good MUSLIM is the one who's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is TO FIGHT ISLAM;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Huh!
Well, come on HALIBURTONt, don't move slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on ALL OF ISLAM.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is TO FIGHT ISLAM.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to FIGHT ISLAM.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.
And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is TO FIGHT ISLAM.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Well, there it is.... let's see if this "takes" now. Censorship is a
Shameful thing.... you never really know what you are missing, as an
"audience". I would hate to have to pack up and leave.... bring my
Hall of Shame to another venue and have to add Google to it.
nominal9
zinnic
fight Islam" with 'fight FOR Islam' and you get a paeon to terrorist
martyrs who "Whoopie! are all gonna die".
No apology for posting above your rubbishy infantile politics!.
Zinnic.
On Jul 12, 2:54 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Mr. Garana and einseele,
> Thank you for your replies and for your reassurances. I will try
> again. As I tried toi say in my post that did not take, the following
> is one of the first "examples" of the "Censorship" that I was
> subjected to by the Republican Forum on CompuServe and by AOL.... this
> goes back years to on or about 2003 and 2004, at the beginnings of the
> Iraq War.As some of you may know, Country Joe McDonald and the Fish is
> an American Rock Group, perhaps best known for their 1960's Vietnam
> War protest song titled "I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die-Rag". The said
> group encourages others to "adapt" the Lyrics of their song to treat
> any and all curent "War" scenarios and so protest them also by
> "modifying whatever words of the Lyrics that may apply.... which is
> what I did.... years ago.... but was not allowed to post on CompuServe
> or AOL, as I said. below is the "link" to the "Country Joe and the
> Fish" Web site containing the original Lyriocs to their protest ballad
> and underneath I have "pasted" the said Lyrics with my "substitutions"
> in Capital Letters.... basically, what I did was substitute the
> original "Vietnam" with either "TO FIGHT ISLAM"... or in the
> alternative.... "TO FIGHT SADDAM" (but then, Saddam was taken care of
> quite a while ago, wasn't he?)> Furthermore, I have also "substituted"
> the original "Wall Street", "commies" and some other words.... Hope
> this post takes, this time
> lettershttp://www.well.com/~cjfish/game.htm
nominal9
Since you liked my first sample of my "censored" material.... and
since you appear to be a "Right-Winger"....
Here's my second Sample of "censored" material... pretty much along
the same lines....you take a previously established piece of
"authorship and change a few "words... to make it fit the current
"political" state of affairs. I call this one the "Rush Limbaugh
Pledge of Allegiance. I think that you, Zinnic, as a U.S. citizen
(correct?) and a political conservative (correct, again?) probably
know who Rush Limbaugh is. For the non-Americans.... Rush is a U.S.
pre-eminent Conseravtive Talk-show Conservative talk-show host....
sort of a Cult-figure.... here in the U.S..... And of course, the
"Pledge of Allegiance" that this is a take-off of is the -pledge to
the flag of the United States.... anyway, here's the parody Rush
Pledge that I was also repeatedly "censored" from posting on
CopmuServe and on AOL.... all in violation of my Freedom of
(Political) Speech.
" I pledge allegiange to the Star of David of the Zionist State of
Israel and to the racist oligarchy for which it stands. One Kingdom,
under the ineffable Yahweh, exclusive,with criminal license and
prejudgment in favor just of Jews."
For purposes of comparison... the actual U.S. pledge of allegiance
goes as follows:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and
toi the Republic for which it standes. One nation, under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice, for all"
So, what is my point with this Rush Pledge of Allegiance?....
Basically it is my contention that the political Right here in the
U.S. .... comprised and led mostly by the so-called Neo-
Conserrvatives, has been taken over by the Israeli Lobby and what I
call Ziuonist Racsit Jewish interests.... all of whic owe their
"allegiance" more to the Jewish State and to so-called Zionist
interest than they do to the United States and all-American
traditional proinciples.... the "substitutions" in parody are meant to
point this out.... So, what do you think of that.... Zinnic?
nominal9
zinnic
On Jul 13, 8:08 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well,Zinnic....
> Since you liked my first sample of my "censored" material.... and
> since you appear to be a "Right-Winger"....
> Here's my second Sample of "censored" material... pretty much along
> the same lines....you take a previously established piece of
> "authorship and change a few "words... to make it fit the current
> "political" state of affairs. I call this one the "Rush Limbaugh
> Pledge of Allegiance. I think that you,Zinnic, as a U.S. citizen
Just as inappropriate as was your last for this Epistemology group.
You are entitled to your political views, My poliical view is left of
center but far right of your frame of reference. No light escapes
the black hole from which you try to spew hatred.
Zinnic
nominal9
Zinnic
Oh, I don't know , Epistemology in it's broad sense deals with one's
"interpretattion" of all things and ideas, real or fictional and how
"we" understand them..... Some people don't "understand" the current
political climate, in my opinion.... and I gather that some people
don't think I do..../ nominal9
You are entitled to your political views, / Zinnic.
Well, thank you.... that's very "white" of you.... but the censorship
proves to me that many other people don't quite see it your way.... I
have been censored out all over the place for trying to say the words
above... /nominal9
My poliical view is left of
center but far right of your frame of reference./ Zinnic
Then you are, in my opinion, still far right.... By the way, I call
myself a "nominal" not a "liberal"... because, I sort of arrive at my
"views" on the basis of an "ethical" and "factual" analysis of the
pertinent evidence..... I would hazard to say that in some areas I
probably "out-Right" you.... where it is merited.
No light escapes
the black hole from which you try to spew hatred.
Zinnic
Now, you see.... this is where these discussions usually lead.... I
speak about "national" or "public" figures .... like G.W. Bush or
Rush Limbaugh... or I treat topics in a specific... non-personal way,
and all I usually get for a reply is some sort of personal attack or
"smear" directed at me personally..... Wher do you get that I "spew
hatred"? Please.... talk facts and see where the so-called "hatred"
really lies. Insofar as the U.S. is concerned... look to the "torture"
issues at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib... not to mention any and all other
attrocities or "accidents" that have befallen innocent Iraquis at U.S.
hands. And as for Israel.... State Assassinations, mass
imprisonment... and at least a three to one ratio of innocent
"civilian" deaths among the Palestinians as compared to the Israeli
people. And don't forget the "legal" end of it... from the U.N. and
international Law angle... Israel has yet to sign a single treaty that
Israel has abided by.... they treat them all U. N. resolutions and
interantional court decisions as so many pieces of paper to be
ignored, to put it kindly. So... Zinnic... save your "hatred"
propaganda and "aspersion" for someone who doesn't "know" better. But
then... maybe you are somewhat "naive" as Georges might say, and
really don't know better, yourself..... the other option is that you
do know better but choose to mislead, for whatever "motives".
So, what do you think of the "themes" brought up by the "Parodies" I
sampled for you.... which is Good and which is Bad, would you say, in
an "ethical" sense?
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On Jul 15, 10:03 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just as inappropriate as was your last for this Epistemology group./
> Zinnic
>
> Oh, I don't know , Epistemology in it's broad sense deals with one's
> "interpretattion" of all things and ideas, real or fictional and how
> "we" understand them..... Some people don't "understand" the current
> political climate, in my opinion.... and I gather that some people
> don't think I do..../ nominal9
>
Apparently, your view is that Epistemology is what ever you choose to
make of it. An all-encompassing miasma of logic/illogic, religion/
politics, philosophy/cultism yadda yadda yadda ?
> You are entitled to your political views, / Zinnic.
>
> Well, thank you.... that's very "white" of you.... but the censorship
> proves to me that many other people don't quite see it your way.... I
> have been censored out all over the place for trying to say the words
> above... /nominal9
My guess is that you would claim censorship if you were banned from
publicly masturbating in front of a kindergarten class. You simply do
not get it! What do you not understand by the word inappropriate?
> My poliical view is left of
> center but far right of your frame of reference./ Zinnic
>
> Then you are, in my opinion, still far right.... By the way, I call
> myself a "nominal" not a "liberal"... because, I sort of arrive at my
> "views" on the basis of an "ethical" and "factual" analysis of the
> pertinent evidence..... I would hazard to say that in some areas I
> probably "out-Right" you.... where it is merited.
We all "arrive" at our "views" by judging the pertinence of the
evidence to which we are exposed. Often 'pertinence' is judged not on
the intinsic merit of evidence but on how well it fits our
preceptions.
> No light escapes the black hole from which you try to spew hatred.
> Zinnic
>
> Now, you see.... this is where these discussions usually lead.... I
> speak about "national" or "public" figures .... like G.W. Bush or
> Rush Limbaugh... or I treat topics in a specific... non-personal way,
> and all I usually get for a reply is some sort of personal attack or
> "smear" directed at me personally..... Wher do you get that I "spew
> hatred"? Please.... talk facts and see where the so-called "hatred"
> really lies. Insofar as the U.S. is concerned... look to the "torture"
> issues at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib... not to mention any and all other
> attrocities or "accidents" that have befallen innocent Iraquis at U.S.
> hands. And as for Israel.... State Assassinations, mass
> imprisonment... and at least a three to one ratio of innocent
> "civilian" deaths among the Palestinians as compared to the Israeli
> people. And don't forget the "legal" end of it... from the U.N. and
> international Law angle... Israel has yet to sign a single treaty that
> Israel has abided by.... they treat them all U. N. resolutions and
> interantional court decisions as so many pieces of paper to be
> ignored, to put it kindly. So... Zinnic... save your "hatred"
> propaganda and "aspersion" for someone who doesn't "know" better. But
> then... maybe you are somewhat "naive" as Georges might say, and
> really don't know better, yourself..... the other option is that you
> do know better but choose to mislead, for whatever "motives".
Yup! you put up your Aunt Sallies and and take pride in how easily you
can knock them down. It is amusing how easily others put up and knock
down their own Aunt Sallies to 'prove' their particular bias. For
every Limbaugh there a Franken, for every Bush a Carter/Clinton. It
gets so tiresome.
> So, what do you think of the "themes" brought up by the "Parodies" I
> sampled for you.... which is Good and which is Bad, would you say, in
> an "ethical" sense?
> nominal9
You will have to be more precise. Is your understanding of "ethical"
as ill-defined as your understanding of epistemology and
inappropriate?
Jan Braeken
very high level. Don't you dare to stop it :-). Brilliant ! Both of you !
I especially liked the stress on interpretation. I share that view :
absolutely everything is a matter of interpretation - including the
interpretation of interpretation -, and no one has a clue which one is right
or wrong for it is always subjective. The ones that claim to be right in
theirs have often been proven wrong (and "left" also, as well as "right" in
a political sense :-). The interpretation of epistemology in that regard is
just one of the billions of interpretations, of billions of events, actions,
behaviour, private emotions, thoughts, etc., that are done or not done by
billions of people every second of every day. Sadly many people do not seem
to realise the myriads of private interpretations they and everyone else do
IMO, resulting in as many billions of speedy private claims to be right
about just about everything. The only thing we can do as a consequence is
practice our own interpretations to the limit, and turn them into a life
time art : the Art of Interpretation. And that Special Art I like the most.
Very, very few people master it, and I am just a beginner.
I'd like to comment much more, but I leave it at that for the moment.
Thank you both, and cheers to both of you !
X Jan
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Van: episte...@googlegroups.com [mailto:episte...@googlegroups.com]
Namens zinnic
Verzonden: maandag 16 juli 2007 16:48
Aan: Epistemology
Onderwerp: [epistemology 5722] Re: I have never met a circle....
nominal9
Your post has much to say and much that I would like to reply to....
but I don't know where or how to start. So, my reply may be haphazard
and appear disjointed./ nominal9
My guess is that you would claim censorship if you were banned from
publicly masturbating in front of a kindergarten class. You simply do
not get it! What do you not understand by the word inappropriate? /
Zinnic
Let me reply to this first.... your "example" is a bit..... strained.
But to reply, my comparison of "pledges of allegiance" will show that
I made a "thematic" contraposition between Liberty (GOOD) and Criminal
License (BAD). To specify your "example" do you think that....
"masturbating in front of a kindergarten class" ... may be properly
called an instance of Criminal License?.... in which case, I would
call that "action" both ethically wrong as well as illegal....
However, I do not see anything either ethically or legally wrong with
you, Zinnic, writing words that would depict or communicate that said
"action". But this issue recall an recent "political" situation that I
would like to ask you to comment on... I take it that you are a U.S.
resident(probably a citizen, as well). What do you think of the recent
"commutation" of the court prison sentence (250 days?) that was
granted to I. "Scooter" Libby by President G.W. Bush.... let me ask
you (in the hope of instigating a "reaction" from you) do you think
that said communtation was an instance of granting "Liberty" as per
the U.S. pledge or was that anstead an instance of granting "criminal
license and prejudgment in favor just of Jews" as per the Rush
Limbaugh pledge. Just so you understand that I am not being "Party
Partisan" when I say this, I would ask the same question regarding the
Bill Clinton pardon granted to the criminal financier Marc Rich....
years back.
enough for now.... I still think that your "leanings" are "right of
center"... Zinnic
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On Jul 18, 8:14 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Zinnic:
> Your post has much to say and much that I would like to reply to....
> but I don't know where or how to start. So, my reply may be haphazard
> and appear disjointed./ nominal9
>
> My guess is that you would claim censorship if you were banned from
> publicly masturbating in front of a kindergarten class. You simply do
> not get it! What do you not understand by the word inappropriate? /
> Zinnic
>
> Let me reply to this first.... your "example" is a bit..... strained.
> But to reply, my comparison of "pledges of allegiance" will show that
> I made a "thematic" contraposition between Liberty (GOOD) and Criminal
> License (BAD). To specify your "example" do you think that....
> "masturbating in front of a kindergarten class" ... may be properly
> called an instance of Criminal License?.... in which case, I would
> call that "action" both ethically wrong as well as illegal....
Call it whatever you like. Just be honest and admit that such an
action in front of a kindergarten class would be inappropriate. If you
will not concede this then we are not on the same planet!
We obviuosy disagree with what we consider to be appropriate topics in
this group. Let us leave it at that. We have both had our say withiut
censorship.
> However, I do not see anything either ethically or legally wrong with
> you, Zinnic, writing words that would depict or communicate that said
> "action".
Blatent non-sequitur!
>But this issue recall an recent "political" situation that I
> would like to ask you to comment on... I take it that you are a U.S.
> resident(probably a citizen, as well). What do you think of the recent
> "commutation" of the court prison sentence (250 days?) that was
> granted to I. "Scooter" Libby by President G.W. Bush.... let me ask
> you (in the hope of instigating a "reaction" from you) do you think
> that said communtation was an instance of granting "Liberty" as per
> the U.S. pledge or was that anstead an instance of granting "criminal
> license and prejudgment in favor just of Jews" as per the Rush
> Limbaugh pledge. Just so you understand that I am not being "Party
> Partisan" when I say this, I would ask the same question regarding the
> Bill Clinton pardon granted to the criminal financier Marc Rich....
> years back.
>
> enough for now.... I still think that your "leanings" are "right of
> center"... Zinnic
>
My opinions in the cases you raise are based on my ethical and
political "leanings". Why should I be different?. These political
"gotchas" are as a seminal as masturbation. Your invitation for me
to discuss the politics involved is a transparent example of a
"gotcha" trap that so obssesses politicos. I wish you guys would not
so insult the intelligence of others.
Zinnic
nominal9
action in front of a kindergarten class would be inappropriate. If
you
will not concede this then we are not on the same planet!
We obviuosy disagree with what we consider to be appropriate topics
in
this group. Let us leave it at that. We have both had our say withiut
Well, Zinnic.... I still don't see whether or not you are "confused"
regarding the distinction between ..... Word and Deed... between
saying, as an example,..... "Zinnic, tomorrow, when I see you I will
give you a swift kick to the ass without cause and with malicious
intent.".... which may qualify as a "Criminal act" of assault, if and
when it is carried out.... and me just saying/writing the words, here,
without even dreaming of carryig them out. The act of language...
communicating the words... is not the same as the act of doing the
deed. Censorship regards communicationg the words, whatever they may
be.... your example, was the words "masturbating before a
kindergarten class" which I did not even suggest should be censored as
speech.
Now here's a serendipidous (?) coincidence.... you know how we have
been talking about Rush Limbaugh? Well, guess what my "nick-name" for
Rush Limbaugh is? Now, like my rendition of the Rush Limbaugh Pledge
of Allegiange... my nick-name for Rush always gets censored as
well ... Rush's nick-name is.... "El Kosher Pork-Off, the Circumcised
Prick and Fount Of Zionist Gizm".... Now, some people consider my nick-
name for Rush to have something to do with Rush "masturbating".... I
think it is the "double-entendre" of the "Pork-Off" part of the nick-
name. On the one "hand", the Pork-Off combines with the "Kosher"
insofar as pig-meat is not allowed under Kosher dietary laws. But on
the other "hand" , the Pork-Off also combines with the "Circumcised
Prick"... etc. to allude to, maybe, the act of masturbation. I think
that it is a rather funny "double entendre", myself. I also think that
it "fits" Rush Limbaugh very well. But notice.... the nick-name is
only "Speech".... and Rush Limabaugh, in any case, is a grown man, not
a kindergartener, and I don't think there would be anything even
remotely Criminal in the action, itself, if Rush decided to
masrturbate in the privacy of his own home or in the company of other
consenting adults.... So, why does my "speech" in this regard get
Censored?/ nominal9
Blatent non-sequitur! / Zinnic
No Zinnic.... I disagree.... it is not a non sequitur.... it follows
quite reasonably.... Censorship regards words / Speech but your
example regards Action which means actually doing it. They are
completely different..... unless you are one of those "virtual
reality" adherents who somehow thinks that the "game" is the same as
the "real thing"? I don't think so... but correct me if I am wrong.
How old are you Zinnic?.... I'm in my fifties.... You aren't a younger
person... give or take ten years, say... are you? Not that I want to
start anything mind you.... but I remember that I was still somewhat
"deluded" in my thinking well into my twenties and even early
thirties.....must have been all of that raging testosterone..../
nominal9
My opinions in the cases you raise are based on my ethical and
political "leanings". Why should I be different?. These political
"gotchas" are as a seminal as masturbation. Your invitation for me
to discuss the politics involved is a transparent example of a
"gotcha" trap that so obssesses politicos. I wish you guys would
not
so insult the intelligence of others.
Zinnic
Okay, Zinnic.... I will leave you be.... I disagree with some of your
characterizations, I am truly trying to give you the "choice" of
opinion on the basis of the totality of "point of view" and
"perspective" options.... I am being "honest". But, it is a two-way
deal.... if you, as "addressee", don't want to or cannot see it.... I
will not or cannot force you. Have a good one, Zinnic.
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On Jul 19, 4:07 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Call it whatever you like. Just be honest and admit that such an
> action in front of a kindergarten class would be inappropriate. If
> you
> will not concede this then we are not on the same planet!
> We obviuosy disagree with what we consider to be appropriate topics
> in
> this group. Let us leave it at that. We have both had our say withiut
> censorship./ Zinnic
>
> Well, Zinnic.... I still don't see whether or not you are "confused"
> regarding the distinction between ..... Word and Deed...(Snip gratuitous condedension)
I do indeed know the difference between Word and Deed. I would even
claim to know the differences between slander, libel and criminal acts
but that would be bragging. However, you have yet to convince me
that you grasp the meaning of appropriate, be it applied to speech,
the written word or actions.
>Now here's a serendipidous (?) coincidence.... you know how we have
been talking about Rush Limbaugh? Well, guess what my "nick-name" for
Rush Limbaugh is? (Snip inappropriate political verbiage)
> How old are you Zinnic?.... I'm in my fifties.... You aren't a younger
> person... give or take ten years, say... are you? Not that I want to
> start anything mind you.... but I remember that I was still somewhat
> "deluded" in my thinking well into my twenties and even early
> thirties.....must have been all of that raging testosterone..../
> nominal9
So Junior, you are in your fifties. How then do you now excuse your
deluded thinking?
I admit to some hyperbole in my kindergarten reference. I guess you
understand 'hyperbole'. Your long response had some of that flavor but
also seemed laced with a hint of manic
Regards
Zinnic
nominal9
Hello Zinnic... since you have chosen to continue this conversation
(which I am glad to see) I would like to go back to something you said
before and show how we (you and I) agree, but only from a slant,
maybe /nominal9
My opinions in the cases you raise are based on my ethical and
political "leanings". Why should I be different?. These political
"gotchas" are as a seminal as masturbation. Your invitation for me
to discuss the politics involved is a transparent example of a
"gotcha" trap that so obssesses politicos. I wish you guys would
not
so insult the intelligence of others.
Zinnic
I want to refer to your words, above, ""These political "gotchas" are
as semibnal as masturbation." Now, contrast that thought with my nick-
name for Rush Limbaugh that you, Zinnic, seem to want to censor
personally [ (Snip inappropriate political verbiage)/ Zinnic].... "El
Kosher Pork-Off and Fount of Zionist Gizm".... do you see the
"metaphoric" (on my end) similarity there? As the "author" of the
Rush nick-name the overall "metaphoric" thought that I was trying to
get across was that Rush Limbaugh's radio transmitted "words"
communicated to his audience are, as you said so "eruditely", "as
seminal as masturbation".... Now, as you know, masturbation does not
make a baby.... and Rush's words are (by analogy) like so much
"porking-off" or masturbation.... (By analogy) the content of Rush's
words, which consists of "Zionist" (racist) propaganda, amounts to so
much "Gizm", or as you said "seminal" fluid, that metaphorically
"spouts" through the radio air waves into the ears (?... or is there
an analog implied here, too?) of Rush's radio audience. So, you see,
Zinnic.... our (yours and mine) basic "thought" is quite similar....
exept I came up with and actually posted (albeit for brief moments)
my "thought / nick-name" many times, on the internet message boards,
starting years back.... 2001 or so. Now, my question is have I "met"
you on the internet or have you read some of m "stuff" before" Zinnic?
I mean, there could be a similar thought patern going on here between
us.... or it could be that you, Zinnic, have seen my own original
thought patterns somewhere else before and are just trying to "turn
the tables" and send them back at me in reply..... something like the
kindergarten chant...... I know you are but what am I? That is an
"honest" question to you, Zinnic./ nominal9
So Junior, you are in your fifties. How then do you now excuse your
deluded thinking?
I admit to some hyperbole in my kindergarten reference. I guess you
understand 'hyperbole'. Your long response had some of that flavor
but
also seemed laced with a hint of manic
Regards
Zinnic
Eyup.... Zinnic.... I do understand "hyperbole" and quite a few other
such "literature" terms.... my "educational background" is in
languages and literature. I was going for a Ph.D... had more than
enough course work... even wrote three "thesis length" (and
copyrighted) works regarding my own "nominal9 thematic dialectic
logic".... but I never got the degree. Which gets me to your other
question as to what I consider "appropriate".... I treated this
question in the last of my said copyrighted papers....back in 1986 or
1987.... The thing about what is or is not "appropriate"... I said
back then and maintain... is that it all depends upon the "author"
that one reads.... or (not to be snobbish) upon the particular
person's opinion that one asks..... It depends on who you talk to and
on what you, as a thinking individual, consider "appropriate".... Of
course, then you also get into societal, cultural and legal
"interpretations" of what is "appropriate" as well. The point is,
maybe my "notion" of appropriateness is just as good as or.... heaven
forbid.... better that your own, Zinnic.
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very,
very high level. Don't you dare to stop it :-). Brilliant ! Both of
Thank you fior the "kind words".... even if the adjective
"brilliant" may have been .... a bit overblown.... at least in my own
regard. It isn't that I am trying to be unduly "humble or modest" when
I avoid being called "brilliant", Rather, I actually strive to be more
mundane and/ or ordinary in my approach. I think that there are way
too many people in this world who "claim" "brilliance" of "genius"
or.... whatever.... when these qualities/attributes in people are few
and far between,
really.
Anyway, glad to hear from you again, Jan. I hope that my purposely
"Vulgar" choices in language haven't put you off... but like I said,
I like to think of myself as a fairly ordinary sort of person....
nothing "snooty" or High- Class about me....
So, what's going on in your part of the world? Anything of interest
to you or others that you would like to discuss? I am sort of
interested in what you think the "predominant" epistemological/
philosophical view is in Europe these days? Who is the Philosopher/
School that captures your own or most Europeans' interest?.... Do
Sartre and Camus (Existentialism) still hold any sway... or
Kierkegaard? How about the various German branches.... Hegelian
Idealism or Kantian Transcendental Idealism (as well as the Kantian
offshoot Phenomenological school... Husserl, etc.)? Basically, I am
looking for a bit of a European update.... I haven't been keeping in
touch all that much. Of course, the same goes in other areas as
well.... the EU.... is the Union progressing? or are some of the
member nations still trying to maintain their legal and political as
well as economic independence above all else? How about literature and
authors.... any fairly new modern European authors that I should try
to learn something about?
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Along with, of course, Rush Limbaugh.... who never did allow my "Rush
Limbaugh Pledge of Allegiance" to be broadcast on "His" radio
airwaves.... Eyup, I wrote and asked ol' "El Kosher Pork-Off"
directly.... but he never answered. Anyway, here's another U.S. Radio
Talk personality that never wanted me to get my "views" across on his
"time".... Sean Hannity..... I have a "nick-name" for him, too.... but
I will skip it for now.... The letter, below, already "pushes the
envelope" a bit when it comes to "off-color" language, as it is.
Personally, I really "rebel" against these artificial "language"
restrictions... After all, the words in question are ordinary ones
that are commonly used in many everyday conversations..... They may be
"vulgar", but "vulgarity" is normal and genuine in its own way. But
also pay attention to the time of this "letter", below.... way back in
2001 is when I wrote it..... I guess I really was sort of "prescient"
considering what has befallen in the intervening years.... This
character.... Sean Hannity... along with other NeoCon Propagandists
is one hard-core hypocritical low-life, in my view..... definitely
merits going through eternity with his head up his arse and with
feces for brains.....
nominal9
Sean
Hannity
11/21/2001
co: Fox News Channel
Shit-Sean :
What will it take to change your tune? Your racist, Jew-lackey
bluster is already responsible for the Twin Towers disaster. It seems
that you and other jackasses won't acknowledge your mistakes unless
you get hit with an even bigger stick, yet.
Allow me to turn some of your own twisted reasoning against you.
Let's say that I am prescient. I know that your personal war-
mongering, rabble-rousing idiocy will only lead to the unjust deaths
of many more innocent people, both American and Muslim alike, without
curtailing terrorism at all but rather fostering more of it. Does that
mean that I should play-act the omniscient, heroic protector of the
world and just shoot you in the back of the head with a .22 pistol,
now? I mean, let's weigh it on the scales of relative worth. On the
one hand there's you, one shit-brained Irish cocksucker of a lying Jew
cocksucker, and on the other hand there are countless innocent people.
Who deserves to live and who deserves to die? The answer is obvious.
For the greater good, you deserve to die. But, let me amend the means.
Being omniscient, I know that a .22 slug to the back of the head would
only cause a flesh wound in your particular case. In order to blow
your brains out I would have to shoot that .22 straight up your ass-
hole. You know, this twisted reasoning of yours is almost a verbatim
repetition of Sharon(a)'s doggerel that underpins Israeli sponsored
assassinations of Palestinians. Figuratively, Sharon(a)'s words
dribble out of your mouth just like Zionist gizm. Little surprise
there, you're both delusional megalomaniacs who corrupt true religion
and assert that you have a supposed, illusory, exclusive understanding
of God-Yahweh's justice and will. As I have stated to you
before....Hannity (and O'Reilly, too), stop calling yourself a
Catholic.
I think it is long past time that you and your racist chums grow up
intellectually and recognize that the way to go is to address the
adverse economic conditions and issues of inequity (like Israeli
occupation of their territories) that indigenous Muslim populations
are saddled with because of U.S. support for pro-Zionist religious,
political and economic interests. I know, there are a few big terms
and some implicit questions of principle in the above statement. So,
let me put it in words that you shit-brained idiots might understand.
The more well-fed, vindicated Muslims with their own hearth and homes
that you have, the fewer the potential terrorists. Do you get that,
jerks? Remember, I tried to make this argument to you before September
11, 2001, but you and your surrogate, "Sweet Baby" James Grisham,
thought you knew it all. What do you think you know now? Allow me to
clue you in. You don't know diddly-squat ....except for that copious
quantity of the matter that substitutes for your brains!!!!
Finally, Shit Sean et al, stop hiding behind innocents and stop
making the U.S. population at large pay with their lives for your
personal idiocy. You should suffer the consequences for your own big
mouths, your racist views and your exploitative practices. In short,
put your own skins on the line for your acts. I'm adamant about this.
One of the things that I detest the most about you and your chicken-
shit chums is that you never do things openly or on your own accounts.
It's always an intermediary who does your dirty work. And, it's always
some other poor person who has to pay your dues for you.
Sincerely,
Mr. XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
XX XXXXXX XXXXXX
XXX XXXXXXXX XX XXXXX
cc. The chicken-shit chums: Tony Snow-job, Rile 'em up O'Reilly and,
of course, that fount of Zionist gizm at which y'all suckle....el
Kosher Pork-Off, Rush "the Circumcised Prick" Limbaugh.
And maybe a few others.
P.S. The more you say the lower my opinion of you gets. Yesterday, I
heard your routine in support of torture....more Zionist gizm,
apologist propaganda for Israeli practices. Your sadistic,
sensationalist "tough" talk is the sure sign of a coward. Of course,
you would need someone else to subdue and hold-down the victim for you
so that you could torture him (or her), wouldn't you, Shit-Sean?
Forget what I implied above about a possible change of heart on your
part. Keep spewing out the fighting words. Whoever calls you on them
and puts you down will truly be doing the world one big favor....so,
spread your ass cheeks and give everybody a clear shot.
P.P.S. Take notice, nowhere and at no time have I ever called you a
"flag-waver". But, feel free to describe yourself by choosing any of
the other expletives that I have used. Give me credit and attribution
for calling you a rabble-rouser, a war-monger, a racist Jew-lackey, an
Irish cocksucker of a lying Jew cocksucker, etc. Just don't try to
corrupt and plagiarize my critical work again, you thieving shit-head.
You are incapable of doing anything original, aren't you? Why, you
even
nominal9
words got chopped off from my 2001 "letter" written to Sean
Hannity.... I have supplied them, below. For those of you who may not
know of Sean Hannity... he is the latest in a long line of Right -
Wing Media Demagogues and Frauds here in the U.S. He makes a BIG SHOW
OF HIS "PATRIOTISM" which he wears on his sleeve and spouts from his
mouth.... just never manages to "act" upon, personally. He still
hasn't found any Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq (but holds out
hope.... or the lie). He wants "Democracy" in the Middle East.... as
long as Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban or any other (he calls them)
"Islamo-Fascists" aren't elected. He wants the U.S. to be allowed to
continue the practice of "tough interrogation" (read, torture) of
"enemy combatants" (read deny them the Geveva Convention Protections)
even now.... after the question has been legally settled (after all
these years) against the "NeoCon" position by the U.S. Supreme Court.
In short, Sean is a Conservative "tough guy".... but only with other
people's skins on the line. He wears fancy tailored suits and has
"coiffed" slick-downed hair.... just like Ronald Reagan had.....
Ronald Reagan is Sean's hero and "model"..... at least from a Public
Relations standpoint. In short, Sean is the sort of loud-mouth that I,
and quite a few others, I believe, would just like to be
personally.... put to the test, in every sense of the word..... Oh, he
also "plagiarizes the hell" out of my material.... he can't wait to
hear what I have to say in terms of my "Nominal9 Thematic Dialectic
Logic" method before he tries to bastardize and "turn it" to his own
purposes.... Shit Sean, as I call him, has also developed quite an
"ideological" affinity and even personal association with U.S. Senator
Lyin' Joe Lieberman.... I was also "prescient" in that regard as to
Sean Hannity..... I always said about him, from the beginning... The
only thing worse that a Lying Jew Cocksucker is an Irish Cocksucker of
a Lying Jew Cocksucker..... first Ariel Sharon and then, Lyin' Joe
Lieberman.... it stood to reason, for Sean.
nominal9
(added to... corrected)
P.P.S. Take notice, nowhere and at no time have I ever called you a
"flag-waver". But, feel free to describe yourself by choosing any of
the other expletives that I have used. Give me credit and
attribution
for calling you a rabble-rouser, a war-monger, a racist Jew-lackey,
an
Irish cocksucker of a lying Jew cocksucker, etc. Just don't try to
corrupt and plagiarize my critical work again, you thieving shit-
head.
You are incapable of doing anything original, aren't you? Why, you
On Jul 21, 11:35 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
nominal9
SHAME... Another "oldie but goodie".... Bill O'Reilly... nickname AKA
Rile 'em up O'Reilly...
Now this one is a piece of work.... he likes to play "games" by
purposely plagiarizing some of my terms, outright.... "in my face" as
it were..... Ah, Rile 'em up.... haven't you figured it out yet?....
My "terms" are "interconnected".... you can know the "words" but if
you don't understand the whole "NOMINAL9 THEMATIC DIALECTIC LOGIC"
method.... well you just show yourself up as the FOOL that you
are.....I say you wind up in Hell, head up your ass and shit for
brains.... for eternity.... let's see which one of us has more of an
"in" with the Supreme Being.... if He or She exists, of course.... ME,
I'm an agnostic..... don't know, either way.
nominal9
****
Bill
O'Reilly
September 14, 2001
The Factor
co. Fox News Channel
1211 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036
Rile 'em up O'Reilly:
You probably pride yourself on your Irish gift of gab. As I have
previously written
to your like-minded colleague (Shit) Sean Hannity, "the only thing
worse than a lying Jew
cocksucker is an Irish cocksucker of a lying Jew cocksucker". I doubt
that you got your
gift of gab by kissing any fictional Blarney Stone....draw your own
obvious conclusion.
I am perfectly willing to let you and your rabble-rousing war-
mongering buddies
take on the Muslim threat personally. I am prepared to arm you, as
well as (Shit) Sean and
Tony Snow-job with BB guns, paint the Star of David on your butts and
ship you off with
one-way air fare to Kabul. When you get there, be sure to demonstrate
your loud-mouthed
courage by telling the Afghans that you have come to assassinate Osama
Bin Laden and
all those who harbor or abet him.
I don't listen to you or your buddies' talk shows too often. I can't
put up with the
inane bullshit that you idiots try to pass off as supposed editorial
political commentary. I
know that you realize just how biased and bigoted your pro-Israeli
stance is and just how
one-sided your propaganda is. You know that Israel has long maintained
a State policy of
refusing to extradite its own international criminals, as long as they
are Jews, but you
don't mention that when you demand Bin Laden's extradition by the
Afghans. You decry
and bemoan the funding that Bin Laden and terrorism in general get
from the Arab
community, but you don't care to compare it to the financial aid that
Israel gets from U.S.
Jews and the U.S. government. You know that Israel has long maintained
a policy of
State sponsored assassination of its foreign adversaries regardless of
their official status,
which is alright by you, but you put on airs of shock and outrage
when, on the other side,
G. W. Lush is targeted....and on and on. I won't argue the point
further. You understand
the matter well enough. For my part, contrary to the views that you
might like to ascribe
to me, I don't choose either side. Like Mercutio, in this situation my
position is "a plague
on both your houses". I will grant you, though, I don't like being
played for a fool by you
or by the rest of the Jewish propaganda machine.
The rhetoric is flying hot and heavy. There are justifiable grounds
for great anger
and rage in the American people (and I am one of the Americans). Rein
in the dogs of
war on both sides....Bin Laden and Sharon. If it comes down to it, I
would willingly
sacrifice both dogs, together, for any one of the human beings whose
deaths they've
caused. This situation can be escalated in force, and the U.S. isn't
the only side with the
firepower to raze territory on a scale of entire cities at a time.
Sincerely,
Mr.XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
P.S. Stop trying to plagiarize my work. You and your twit buddies
aren't good enough (in
every sense of the word) to use my material.
P.P.S. Thinking of maybe publishing this? Only in its entirety, word
for word, no
censorship.
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zinnic
you find the same relief in the toilet. As you gaze down on on your
intestinal product do you feel such a sense of pride that that you are
unable to resist sharing by smearing it all over this Epistemology
group?. Please, next time you feel the urge, just flush like decent
folks do.
I guess you do it because the Internet is the only place you can get
"published. The possibility that even the most desperate hack would
plagiarise your 'fomentations' is laughable!
Zinnic
On Aug 10, 12:39 pm, "Peter Kodrucz" <pkodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1 anyone interested of process orientated structure rathe like 'Irish
> cocksucker of a lying Jew cocksucker' - see below previous comments?
>
> auditory external Ae Hear the question 2 visual internal Vi picture to
> oneself the *meaning* of the question 3 visual external Ve look at the
> dress 4 visual internal constructed Vic create a mental image of the dress
> worn by the person 5 kinesthetic internal Ki get an internal feeling from
> looking at it 6
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrapersonal_communication> Aid ask oneself
> 'Do I like that impression?' 7 auditory external Ae reply
> "I see the clock, ask myself where the kids are, imagine everything that
> could be happening and feel scared" might be notated as having a subjective
> structure: Ve → Aid → Vic → Ki,
>
> --
> Regards
> Peter Kodrucz
> Mob:
zinnic
On Aug 10, 2:09 pm, zinnic <zeenr...@gate.net> wrote:
> Some people like to get their frustrations off their chest. Apperently
> you find the same relief in the toilet. As you gaze down on on your
> intestinal product do you feel such a sense of pride that that you are
> unable to resist sharing by smearing it all over this Epistemology
> group?. Please, next time you feel the urge, just flush like decent
> folks do.
> I guess you do it because the Internet is the only place you can get
> "published. The possibility that even the most desperate hack would
> plagiarise your 'fomentations' is laughable!
> Zinnic
>
Sorry Peter. My last post was a response to Nominal9's diarrhea.
nominal9
I tried following your wikipedia link, but it did not work for me. I
will try to reference it better another time. I found your post a
bit.... cryptic.... but interesting. What is it, some sort of "stream
of consciousness" thing? Anyway, have you ever seen or heard of "Rile
'em up" Bill O'Reilly? I think I saw (in your post) that you now live
in Australia..... I think O'Reilly airs on the tv down there, too.
Anyway, you notice that he hasn't "dared" to deny the preceding letter
of mine..... because it is an actual document, that he cannot say he
didn't receive. And also because it is quite accurate as to its claims
of "plagiarism".... especially these days, when he has been exposed to
so much more of my "stuff". "Rile 'em up" O'Reilly is still quite the
"Irish Cocksucker of a Lyin' Jew Cocksucker", but since Sharon's
departure from the "active" political stages.... Rile 'em up too has
since switched.... "founts" of Zionist Gizm. Like Shit Sean, O'Reilly
now suckles at the.... "appendage".... of U.S. Sen. Lyin' Joe
Lieberman. As a matter of fact, I just heard him on the tv a few
minutes ago "defending" the "Bi-sexual Bipartisan" Senator against
certain parodies that Lyin' Joe has been receiving on the Daily Kos
site. See what a coward, O'Reilly is.... he knows that he doesn't have
the.... testicles... to take me on directly, so he goes after the Kos-
ers? He has more than seen that I would wipe the floor with him.... in
any sort of "fight".... Anyway, Rile 'em up has a hard time
differentiating between "criticism" directed at individual ZIONIST
RACIST JEWISH people like Sharon or Lieberman and all Jews taken as a
group.... criticise even the worst, most ass-backwards criminal or
bigoted Jew out there.... and you can rest assured that the IRISH
COCKSUCKERS OF LYIN' JEW COCKSUCKERS will SMEAR you as an "anti-
semite"..... The bigoted idiots.... they don't even merit being called
Ku Klux Klanners..... I call them the Piss- Pants Klan.... O'Reilly,
L:imbaugh, Hannity, Snow.... and others. But I have a personal
interest in Lieberman, he is one of the first to "abet" the plagiarism
of my NOMINAL9 THEMATIC DIALECTIC LOGIC method.... Lyin' Joe also
tried (and still tries) his hand at bastardizing and twisting some of
my methodology to his own ends... But I do it better... it is my
creation, after all, and I DO NOT HAVE AN AGENDA .... I go where the
methodollogy leads me.... intellectual honesty. Further reason for me
to righteously detest all of these current Irish Cocksuckers of Lyin'
Jew Cocksuckers. Anyway.... talk about a "hard life experience".... I
tried to pursue legal action against the first batch of "plagiarists"
as a pro se litigator... twice, all the way to the Supreme Court of
the United States, on Appeal. Unsuccesfully, but it is public record
and proof of my "copyrights".... So, these Cocksuckers may not like
what I have to say, in their regard, many times.... but they know that
I "usually" say things that are..... documentedly factual....
nominal9
On Aug 10, 1:39 pm, "Peter Kodrucz" <pkodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1 anyone interested of process orientated structure rathe like 'Irish
> cocksucker of a lying Jew cocksucker' - see below previous comments?
>
> auditory external Ae Hear the question 2 visual internal Vi picture to
> oneself the *meaning* of the question 3 visual external Ve look at the
> dress 4 visual internal constructed Vic create a mental image of the dress
> worn by the person 5 kinesthetic internal Ki get an internal feeling from
> looking at it 6
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrapersonal_communication> Aid ask oneself
> 'Do I like that impression?' 7 auditory external Ae reply
> "I see the clock, ask myself where the kids are, imagine everything that
> could be happening and feel scared" might be notated as having a subjective
> structure: Ve → Aid → Vic → Ki,
>
Peter Kodrucz
That answer was compiled from many of work documents, where I collect professional stuff. Most often I do not reference it. When I want a professional answer I turn to the best, no point getting second hand info.
If we talk about plagiarism, in true sense EVERYTHING is plagiarism, everything we know.
Not many of us discovers anything. (We construct our reality uniquely)
English is more than 40% French, than German, Italian, Latin, Welsh, Irish, Celtic.
Every time we calculate a triangle, Pythagoras name should be mentioned.
Everything we know is millions of people's knowledge.
George's website full of previous knowledge.
Your language is 'stolen from your mother', not yours.
All what I write is someone else's knowledge, so is yours. All what we introduce is our distortion.
I don't apologize, unless we nonstop apologize. I did never say I invented the wheel.
What else do you want?? Dont start arguing but but. You are right. That bit was copied.
Most are not, learnt, recollected, still not mine. I never discovered anything.
Happy?? I am not an academic. When I use C++, Perl, cgi, Linux I use someone else's invention.
That is truly plagiarism. Done it all my life, I cannot not do it. Irrespectively, I have to keep doing it. The program is maybe truly mine, but based on plagiarism.
Full stop.
nominal9
"published. The possibility that even the most desperate hack would
plagiarise your 'fomentations' is laughable!
Zinnic
Zinnic....
You talk awful big for someone who supposedly doesn't have any of the
"facts"....Do you have any "first-hand knowledge" regarding me or the
plagiarism of my copyrighted works that would allow you to state with
certainty what you assert above?... If you do have any "pertinent"
"first-hand knowledge" I would certainly be glad to hear it....
especially if it has possible legal value. The copyrights are still
there.... I can always start another infringement suit.....
But what I find somewhat..... disappointing.... in your own regard,
Zinnic, is that you seem to have so much to say as to my own postings'
lack of "epistemological" relevance.... Yet very rarely do you address
the actual issues that my postings raise. The topic as to "Rile 'em up
"O'Reilly" is his capacity or function as a Zionist Racist Jew or
Neocon Propagandist. Frankly, I don't expect you to "see" that he also
bastardizes and tries to misuse some of my own "methodology" in
reaction to my own "stuff" and to make himself appear brighter than he
actually is.... unless, of course, you do have some "first-hand
knowledge" that you don't want to admit or disclose.
And Zinnic, why don't you try raising your own "epitemological" issues
on this board and open them up for discussion? I would really like to
get more of a handle on what your "epistemological" position
is?....Are you an Idealist, a Realist, a Phenomenologist, a Nominalist
like me (very doubtful, that)? Just what is your understanding of
"epistemology" and where do you "stand" on it?.....
nominal9
nominal9
no reply....
Such a BIG MOUTH and
NOTHING ORIGINAL TO SAY....
nominal9
zinnic
On Aug 15, 10:51 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> And Zinnic just "chicken-shits" out.....
> no reply....
> Such a BIG MOUTH and
> NOTHING ORIGINAL TO SAY....
> nominal9
My philosophy is a variation of Mathew 7: verses 1 and 2
1. “Do judge, so that ye be judged.
2. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
I am judgmental and opinionated. I do not claim any particular
philosophy but if pressed admit to a predilection towards
Judgmentalism and Opinionism. Though I may be blind, I call it like I
see it and expect to be corrected by more insightful opinions.
However, I reserve the right to be the sole judge of what I regard as
insightful.
I judge others on their posts, fully expecting to be judged on mine.
When I consider the source, I am re-assured by your criticisms. I have
no interest in your political b’anal’ities. Their stench is
offensive. Enough already!
Disregards
Zinnic
nominal9
SHAME.... Zinnic....
Here's another of my "original sayings".... it is appropriately
"vulgar" and totally fitting for a person of your own refined
aesthetic sensibilities.... "Zinnic, I suggest that if you want to
Shut Anyone Up.... you START BY STICKING YOUR THUMB UP YOUR ASS AND
SHUTTING YOUR OWN MOUTH UP, FIRST". Would you care to have me explain
the metaphor to you.... Zinnic?.... It all stems from the common
saying .... YOU ARE TALKING OUT YOUR ASS.... By sticking your thumb up
your ass, you thereby (metaphorically) Shut Yourself Up.... Zinnic.
You seem to be a "freeloader" to me Zinnic..... all "commentary" but
no personal "authorship"..... I forget.... did you happen to see my
postings on the "Humanities" site on these Google Groups, Zinnic? It
is about my NOMINAL9 THEMATIC DIALECTIC LOGIC method.... now that's
bona fide "logical reasoning".... none of your own "propositional or
semantic" word games..... useless twaddle, that.
What can I say to reach you, I have also coined the saying...
Ignorance can be cured but there isn't much you can do about
stupidity.... except whack it off the head with a two-by-four and send
it on its way. Point being.... if you care to try to cure your
Ignorance.... there are some folks around in various areas who could
maybe set you straight.... but if you insist on being Stupid.... well
just keep on truckin' down the road, Zinnic..... no skin off my nose.
So, are you ever going to contribute something.... substantive????
Last chance... my patience has its limits...
nominal9
Peter Kodrucz
go off in a big bang? with a suicide bomb strapped on your testicles?
call the police?
arrest the world?
you can disagree, be an atheist as I am, but cannot threat and call names.
you are better than that. STOP that tone or get out
Regards
Peter Kodrucz
Mob:
pkod...@gmail.com
nominal9
Question.... ARE YOU TRYING TO CENSOR ME AS WELL??
If so.... there is plenty of space in my NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL OF
SHAME... the "prize" for all.... atheists, agnostics, true believers,
whatever.... is the same..... YOURSELF INCLUDED, IF YOU DESIRE.... an
ETERNITY IN HELL PUNISHED BY SUFFERING, IN EFFECT, AS YOU HAVE LIVED,
FIGURATIVELY, IN LIFE.... FOREVER EXISTING WITH YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ARSE
AND WITH FECES FOR BRAINS..... whether you "choose" to believe it or
whether the "punishment" actually comes about, or not.... that is
beyond my "certain" knowledge (as an agnostic).
Peter, are you sure that you mean what you say, in my regard?... Have
you noticed or not that it is Zinnic who constantly defames and
belittles, WITHOUT ANY BASIS IN FACT OR KNOWLEDGE, myself and on
occasion others... you included, Peter?
But if your own antipathy against ME, for whatever reason, outwieghs
your cause for difference with Zinnic.... by all means.... COMPLAIN
AND GET ME BANNED FROM GOOGLE..... if you can get them to agree with
you..... I have a feeling that you will certainly be making a lot of
RIGHT WING ZIONIST RACISTS AND NEOCONS.... as well as some just plain
Jackass Stupid people who perhaps don't know any better....happy if
you succeed.
Hey.... I just "reply in kind" to what I get from others..... If
Zinnic can't take any of the sort of criticism that he seems so "bent"
on dishing out..... well, that's his "character flaw".... Besides....
Zinnic is a dilettante.... He may know certain things in some
fields.... but he is an amateur.... like an avid reader, exclusively,
of "science fictions" and fantastical stories..... He's got NO SENSE,
and I strongly suspect that he's stubbornly "JackAss Stupid" ( i.e.,
his. "ignorance" and lack of judgment.... doesn't phase or bother him
in the least).
Now.... let's see if ther is any "hope" for you.... Peter.
nominal9
On Aug 16, 5:33 pm, "Peter Kodrucz" <pkodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> what happens when you reach your limits?
>
> go off in a big bang? with a suicide bomb strapped on your testicles?
>
> call the police?
>
> arrest the world?
>
> you can disagree, be an atheist as I am, but cannot threat and call names.
>
> you are better than that. STOP that tone or get out
>
zinnic
If by “censor” you mean severe critic, then mea culpa. I believe your
introduction of political obscenities is vulgar and totally
inappropriate for this group. I make no plea that anyone be banned but
rather that we all eliminate profanities and express ourselves without
referring to abuse of sexual and/or intestinal body parts. If I stand
alone on this, then so be it.
For good measure, let me add that I also object to the tendency of
some to SHOUT by excessive use of upper case letters in your, (oops!),
their posts. Is this need to shout obscenities related to mental
laziness or to a more fundamental neurological deficit? An interesting
epistemological question, worthy of civilized discussion.
As I stated previously, I revel in your criticism of my posts, but
your use of this criticism to boost your plea for acceptance by Peter
and other posters in this group is beyond pathetic. Snivelling and
grovelling are words that come to mind but in view of your sensitivity
to censure I hesitate, no in fact, I will not use them! See, I also
can be sensitive.
I am not at all “phased” (sic) by your criticism and to prove it, I
offer you some solidly vaporous advice. Do not over-react to criticism
from “bent, flawed, ignorant, senseless, stubborn, JackAss stupid
amateurs and dilettantes. They delight in aggravating your sensitive
soul and you only titillate them by piling on the insults.
Have a nice day on your bathroom pedestal
Zinnic
einseele
I agree 100% on this with you
There is this neurotic symptom, which is believing there are many
important instances out there looking to censure ME.
And this is the case
The guy shows us his/her inner sections, strongly contaminated, and
then tells us s/he is being banished due to his/her great importance.
When in fact is simply rejected as any other bad smelling intestine
long lasting product.
The sad part is to be placed as a censor because you do not like to
smell, look, "taste" that shit.
Well, in case this helps, I do not like that either
regards
> ...
>
> mais »
zinnic
On Aug 17, 7:00 pm, einseele <Einse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Zinnic
>
> I agree 100% on this with you
> There is this neurotic symptom, which is believing there are many
> important instances out there looking to censure ME.
> And this is the case
> The guy shows us his/her inner sections, strongly contaminated, and
> then tells us s/he is being banished due to his/her great importance.
> When in fact is simply rejected as any other bad smelling intestine
> long lasting product.
> The sad part is to be placed as a censor because you do not like to
> smell, look, "taste" that shit.
> Well, in case this helps, I do not like that either
>
> regards
Thanks Einseel, I expected a response from more individuals but
apparently most members of this discussion group do not object to the
use of obscenities. Coarseness trumps the bon mot like the club
bludgeons the rapier thrust. C'est la vie.
Regards
Zinnic.
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On Aug 15, 10:33 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess you do it because the Internet is the only place you can get
> "published. The possibility that even the most desperate hack would
> plagiarise your 'fomentations' is laughable!
> Zinnic
>
> Zinnic....
> You talk awful big for someone who supposedly doesn't have any of the
> "facts"....Do you have any "first-hand knowledge" regarding me or the
> plagiarism of my copyrighted works that would allow you to state with
> certainty what you assert above?... If you do have any "pertinent"
> "first-hand knowledge" I would certainly be glad to hear it....
> especially if it has possible legal value. The copyrights are still
> there.... I can always start another infringement suit.....
Your reading comprehension is suspect if you interpret anything in my
post that suggested someone has plagiarises your work. Let me state
again that IMO if anyone did they could only be a desperate hack. Got
it?
> But what I find somewhat..... disappointing.... in your own regard,
> Zinnic, is that you seem to have so much to say as to my own postings'
> lack of "epistemological" relevance.... Yet very rarely do you address
> the actual issues that my postings raise. The topic as to "Rile 'em up
> "O'Reilly" is his capacity or function as a Zionist Racist Jew or
> Neocon Propagandist. Frankly, I don't expect you to "see" that he also
> bastardizes and tries to misuse some of my own "methodology" in
> reaction to my own "stuff" and to make himself appear brighter than he
> actually is.... unless, of course, you do have some "first-hand
> knowledge" that you don't want to admit or disclose.
I have no interest in your paranoia!
> And Zinnic, why don't you try raising your own "epitemological" issues
> on this board and open them up for discussion? I would really like to
> get more of a handle on what your "epistemological" position
> is?....Are you an Idealist, a Realist, a Phenomenologist, a Nominalist
> like me (very doubtful, that)? Just what is your understanding of
> "epistemology" and where do you "stand" on it?.....
> nominal9
I will post my opinions on different topics as, when and where I see
fit. Certainly not on your demand.
Zinnic
>
Tonguessy
On 22 Ago, 09:46, zinnic <zeenr...@gate.net> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 7:00 pm, einseele <Einse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Zinnic
>
> > I agree 100% on this with you
> > There is this neurotic symptom, which is believing there are many
> > important instances out there looking to censure ME.
> > And this is the case
> > The guy shows us his/her inner sections, strongly contaminated, and
> > then tells us s/he is being banished due to his/her great importance.
> > When in fact is simply rejected as any other bad smelling intestine
> > long lasting product.
> > The sad part is to be placed as a censor because you do not like to
> > smell, look, "taste" that shit.
> > Well, in case this helps, I do not like that either
>
> > regards
>
> Thanks Einseel, I expected a response from more individuals but
> apparently most members of this discussion group do not object to the
> use of obscenities. Coarseness trumps the bon mot like the club
> bludgeons the rapier thrust. C'est la vie.
> Regards
> Zinnic.
>
>
In all honesty i don't see the point of wasting my time. My favourite
way to object the use of obscenities is ignoring them. Never add fuel
to a fire. Of course you may well have good reasons to do it, reasons
that i thouroughly ignore.
C'est la vie.....
Regards
Tonguessy
nominal9
Not that I particularly endorse everything that Wikipedia says....
Zinnic... but maybe you (and others around here) should first bone up
a bit on what censorship is all about.... read the linked entry above,
it may help some.
Now, Moral Censorship, in particular.... two fairly current "authors"
come to mind for me..... James Joyce and D.H. Lawrence.... not that I
claim to be in their "league", by any means.... my "stuff" is
more..... methodological, I just want to give you some actual examples
of people who have been censored for their "words" by knowing and
cultured JACKASS STUPID IDIOTS.... such as yourselves.
Nah.... I think that you have found a fitting place in my NOMINAL9
CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME.... Zinnic.
Along with all the rest.... an eternity with your head up your arse
and feces for brains....
nominal9
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something like that (as long as I am still around) . Here are a few
more additions to my NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME.
I refer specifically to Mr. John Gamblimg and to Mr. Phil Boyce, both
of whom are associated with WABC radio of New York, New York. They
both merit my augury of an eternity in Hell with their heads up their
arses and feces for brains.
Below is the basis for my decision.... they "chickened out" when it
came to "broadcasting" my political free speech.... slightly
"vulgarized" speech, of course as is my own own "want" and preferred
form of expression.
The "writing" below also includes some more of my given "nick-names"
for other of these Zionist Racist Jews and Neocons. Another one of my
quirks.... nick-names.
nominal9
John
Gambling
12/2/2002
co: 77WABC Radio
Mr. Gambling:
Years ago, I had a likeable supervisor. Every time that I suggested
some course of
action to him on the job along the lines of..."we should do this" or
"we could do
that"....then this supervisor would doubtless reply, "I'm not French.
What's all this Oui,
Oui, stuff?". His point, of course, was that if I had a better idea as
to how to perform my
job then I should do it, myself . I tried doing many things, my way,
and when they
worked, my likeable supervisor was always man enough and very
observant about
making sure that I got the credit and the honor for my innovations and
inputs. That was
back in the glory days when the workplace was "professional" and
everyone had pride in
their own work.
I have heard you and other "right-wing" conservatives make many on-
air
suggestions as to how we should pursue the so-called "war on
terrorism". Y'all say things
like, "we should go to war against Iraq by ourselves"...."we must be
consistent and treat
all terrorism be it against the U.S. or be it against Israel the same
way"...."we should hunt
down terrorists by all means necessary and eradicate them", etc.,
etc., etc., ad nauseam.
Guess what, I am not as politic as my former likeable supervisor and,
besides, times have
changed a great deal since those old halcyon days.
My reply to y'all is, "What is all this wee-wee stuff? Are y'all some
kind of piss-
pants cowardly pissants who are too afraid to do the dirty work on
your own?". The next
time that you or your lilly-livered chums feel the urge to make
grandiose bellicose
statements, change the pronoun from the first person plural to the
first person singular.
Say things like.... "I, John Gambling, will go to war in Iraq and I
will personally shoot
Saddam Hussein with my rifle"....or "I, John Gambling, will hunt down
Osama Bin Laden
in whatever remote back-country cave he is hiding in and I will
personally slash the
throats of each one of his bodyguards and then I, John Gambling, will
stick my combat
bayonet into Osama's heart"....and "I, John Gambling, commiserate
with the Israelis and I
pledge my allegiance to the State of Israel".
Ah yes, the silence on your end is deafening, isn't it, John
Gambling? Remember,
though, there are some occasional listeners out there who play my
little pronoun game.
Every time that you say "we" they substitute "I, John Gambling" and
they bust a gut
laughing at the two-bit hypocrite that you (et al) actually are.
Sincerely,
Mr. XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXi
XXXXXXXXX
XXX XXXXXXXXX XX XXXXX
cc: your boss..Phil, "the Pill" Boyce
P.S. Do You Have The BALLS To Broadcast My Letter?
P.P.S. Extend my Holiday Greetings to the rest of your WABC crew of
lunatic co-hosts.
Happy Hanukkah to Shit-Sean the Leper Khan with his racist Crock of
Shit.
Happy Hanukkah to El Kosher Pork-Off, the Circumcised Prick and Fount
of Zionist
Gizm, Rush Limbaugh.
Happy Hanukkah to Curt-Ass Sliwa.
Just say "high" to Scooby Ron Kuby.
Merry Christmas to Richard Bey-Leaf
Merry Christmas to I wish I was a Michael Savage Weiner.
Merry Christmas to the Jewru Mark Levin.
...have a good one, y'all...try very hard not to foment another
disaster...idiots. Really, I
mean it, y'all are idiots.
nominal9
"Below is the basis for my decision.... they "chickened out" when it
came to "broadcasting" my political free speech.... slightly
"vulgarized" speech, of course as is my own own "want" and preferred
form of expression."
Did all of y'all know that there is a difference between the word
"want" (i.e. desire) and the word "wont" (i.e. custom)? .... I did,
but I don't sweat the details.... sometimes I even do it on
purpose....they both "fit" in this context. / nominal9
nominal9
Richard Bey..... Mr. Bey's addition addition to the roll was a
disappointment for me. I held him in higher regard... but, I suppose
that "peer pressure" is hard to contend with.... especially within
"clannish groups", like among Zionist Racist Jews. I like to think
that Mr. Bey's heart was in the right place, but he did not have the
courage to stand up against the other racist bigots at WABC radio.....
Sorry, Mr. Bey, but you still made my list, for the reasons and due to
the censorship shown below...
nominal9....
Mr. Richard
Bey
September 27, 2002
co: 77WABC
Richard, Richard, Richard:
Here I thought that you were a breath of fresh air at 77 WABC....a
fair minded,
impartial Jew. Then I heard your remarks ascribing anti-Semitic
sentiments to someone
who expressed the opinion that U.S. media is dominated by Jews. Well,
there you go....I
suspected that you were too good to be true. Scratch long enough and
out comes the
Zionist racist from under the veneer of another purported unbiased
Jew. I certainly am
glad that I waited before I went out on a limb and bestowed my
personal seal of approval
upon you.
Of course, U.S. media is dominated by Jews. Any valid statistical
analysis of
media companies as to Jewish ownership and as to relative percentages
of high level
Jewish employees will prove it. Or, do a spot check by just looking
around you. If you
want to lie about it then it must serve your personal self-interest to
do so.
You know, this reflex propensity on the part of many Jews to assert
that others are
being anti-Semitic in their regards reminds me of that sci-fi movie,
"Invasion of the Body
Snatchers". In the movie, the alien plant-body doubles always wail in
alarm whenever
they see a normal human who hasn't yet been replaced by one of them.
Zionist racists are
much the same, they wail "Anti-Semite" at anyone who does not mouth
their particular
racial-religious bigotry. So, Richard, are you a man or are you a
geranium?
I have attached a copy of a letter that I mailed to Rush Limbaugh
about one year
ago. It contains what I call "the Rush Limbaugh Pledge of Allegiance".
If you want to be
a Zionist racist, you should take Rush's pledge and do it right.
Rush, Hannity, Savage et
al at WABC and elsewhere have all shied away from broadcasting Rush's
Pledge on air.
How about you?
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
Adam
sort of censorship somewhere. Why making out of it such a problem? The
art is to outsmart the the censors in such a way that they will not be
able to censor you... Make your point between the lines.
regards,
Adam
Georges Metanomski
--- Adam <arist...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Adam,
You ignore the context. Nominal9 wrote some venomous
fanatic anti-semitic stuff in particularly vulgar
and aggressive form. Two quotes:
1."I pledge allegiange to the Star of David of the
Zionist State of
Israel and to the racist oligarchy for which it
stands. One Kingdom,
under the ineffable Yahweh, exclusive,with criminal
license and
prejudgment in favor just of Jews."
2."it is my contention that the political Right here
in the
U.S. .... has been taken over by the Israeli Lobby
and what I
call Ziuonist Racsit Jewish interests.... all of whic
owe their
"allegiance" more to the Jewish State and to so-called
Zionist
interest than they do to the United States and
all-American
traditional proinciples".
I wrote to the list owner suggesting that such
morally and esthetically deplorable writings, totally
incompatible with "Epistemology" should be banned.
On my part I banned them from my personal
correspondence by sending Nominal9 unopened to trash,
as long as he does not apologize in the subject line
and improve his style.
He did not like it and got a "censure" kink.
Nothing to do of course with criticizing Israel or
whoever, on condition of doing it with rational
well documented arguments and in acceptable form.
And staying pertinent with Epistemology.
Georges
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Indeed I see ure point. I agree. The stuff all in all is pretty
offensive. Agressive in tone at least. Besides, such debates belong
elsewhere...
regards,
Adam
On 9 Wrz, 16:44, Georges Metanomski <zg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
nominal9
I sort of thought that you would be the one to try to Censor Me
Out.... After all, you are a self-admitted Spittin" (Zionist Racist?)
Jew.
As to your claim that my "criticisms" against the "influence" upon the
U.S. and its politics maintained by Israel and the Israeli Lobby....
not to mention of Zionist Racist Jews.... are not "founded", below is
my next "addition" to the NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME.
This entry regards a certain Mr. Mark Levin, former member of the
Ronal Reagan Government.... in some minor capacities that I really
can't recall off the cuff.... and like you, Georges, an ardent Zionist
Racist Jew....But to the point.... notice myt use of "facts" and money
numbers to back uo my assertions of "favor" and resulting influence
that Israel has benn able to obtain vis a vis the United States. I
disagree with your self-serving propagandist assertion Georges.... My
"criticisms" agains the Israeli Lobby, et al are all factual and well
founded.... Rather, it is you and the rest of the Zionistr Racist
Proipaganda Machine that aleways seek to LIE and DENY all the goes
counter to your Zioinist Racist aims....
Enjoy the old "documented" posting, below..... and, by the way
Georges.... given your own admitted attempt to get me Censored,
here.... welcome yourself to my NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME....
"May you go through eternity in Hell with you head up your Arse (Ass)
and with Feces (Shit) for brains. Georges..."
nominal9
Sean
Hannity
3/27/2002
co: 77 WABC
Shit-Sean, the "Leper-Khan", with his racist crock of shit:
I heard your Zionist racist Jew-ru, Mark Levin, on the radio with you
the other
day. He puffs up like a tough guy with that big mouth of his, doesn't
he? Bold and daring,
but only when he has security to protect him and innocent "gentile"
human shields
surrounding him. I would like to see him spout off, face to face, in
front of some
unrestrained, able-bodied Muslims. Do you think he could get away with
it, without
having his fat ass whooped for him "with extreme prejudice"? Ah well,
that's just one
more of those highly improbable scenarios....chicken-shits like y'all
only act tough when
you're at a safe distance.
I have a couple of pointed questions for you and your Jew-ru. Do you
know how
many billions of dollars Israel has received from the U.S. government
in grants and aid
since Israel's inception as a country in the late 1940's.... 20
billion, 30, 40, over 100
billion dollars? I know it's a hard sell to make to some Jews but,
don't you think Israel
should pay back all its money debts or received "gifts" to U.S.
taxpayers first, before
Israel tries to assert an "honest" claim of independence from the
U.S. on questions of its
own national self-interest? (Let me guess your reply... "duh, no,
uh"...). While they're at it,
Israel may also want to pay for or return all of the U.S. military
equipment and ordnance
that Israel presently retains or that Israel has used against Muslims
in past years. (I can
just imagine how your Jew-ru, Levin, will cringe like a vampire
confronted by a crucifix
at the mere thought of Jews repaying anything to anyone). Frankly,
repayment of any sort
is unlikely, in this case. I mention this issue of repayment only to
highlight the kind of
welching ingrates that Zionist Jews actually are. For the answers,
look at the attachment,
reference the numbers (i.e., well over 90 billion dollars) and compare
the grants and
expenditures in other aid given to Israel, on the one side, to the
grants and aid given to the
entire third world, on the other side. To use your own demeaning
Conservative terms, by
a vast margin, Israel is the true U.S. international "Welfare State".
But you probably knew
that. It's just one more of those dirty little secrets that y'all
refuse to talk about.
On air, your Jew-ru also praised your other buddy there, the fount of
Zionist gizm,
el Kosher Pork-Off , Rush "the Circumcised Prick" Limbaugh (i.e., the
patriot to the
wrong country...Israel). I gather y'all think that Israel should use a
"free hand" and
vanquish its Muslim adversaries militarily. Get real, the leverage and
the power resides
with the U.S. monied backing. Israel could not pay for even a single
day of any such war
against Palestinians or other Muslims by itself. Let Israel attempt
such a course of action,
without U.S. backing, and the Israeli military would peter out and be
driven into the sea
in short order. That is the actual alternative for Israel. I'm sure
that, close to the vest, y'all
recognize it, too. The U.S. has historically added its weight to the
balance and, to date, it
has always pushed down on the side of Israel. The question for y'all
is, will that cheating
U.S. thumb on the scale continue to be there for Israel? As I've
pointed out to you before,
the international community, of every stripe, knows what the real
cheatin' score is here,
too. Now, my reading is that an all-out military response on the part
of the Israelis would
not be countenanced by world community opinion, without severe (I
would suspect treaty
and alliance breaking) repercussions being directed against the U.S..
Furthermore, far be
it from me to speak for G.W. Lush but, as an astute oil man, I think
even he just might
recognize that the U.S. national interest lies more and more with
Arab/Muslim petroleum
than it does with the Israeli energy alternative...."Shwartz-farts
natural methane gas". So,
instead of shilling U.S. public opinion for an Israeli military
response, maybe you and
your Zionist racist buddies should genuinely try, yourselves, to see
what sort of workable
negotiated agreement is possible between Israel and the
Palestinians.
I don't know why I still bother trying to reason with you and your
chicken-shit
buddies. Y'all are such thick-skulled dolts that you take an arrogant,
mulish pride in the
reflex act of refusing to consider the truth in any opposing opinion.
And I don't have any
personal irons in this fire. I guess you could say it's a matter of
principle for me. One
more time, all pragmatic considerations aside, an equitable negotiated
agreement in the
Israeli - Palestinian situation is also the right thing to do
ethically. Israel does not hold the
moral high ground on this issue by a long shot. Israeli policy and
practice toward the
Palestinians as well as toward others has been racist and apartheid
from the very
beginning. Zionists base their racism on asserted claims of religious
superiority and
exclusivity. They admit it themselves, outright.... Zionists want a
racist country, they want
a "Jewish State".
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
P. S. Shit-Sean, do you have the balls to publish (broadcast) these
views in their entirety,
without censorship or amendment? I didn't think so....
cc: Rush "the Circumcised Prick, Kosher Pork-Off , Fount Of Zionist
Gizm" Limbaugh
(i.e., the patriot to the wrong country);
Phil Boyce;
maybe a few others.
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What I find most intriguing is your abuse of ... (three points)
The rest is just shit. You are obviously so insane...
I somehow expected a message from you today, in time to remember
another madness...
Go fu.... yourself.....
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why do emanate so much hate?
what has anyone ever done to you?
regards,
Adam
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I don't believe that I have made your acquaintance, before.... at
least not openly. I have to "wince" at the Propagandist, sort of
Zionist Racist or Neocon undertones of your posting above....that I
reproduce here,
Nominal9,
why do emanate so much hate?
what has anyone ever done to you?
regards,
Adam
What makes you think or "factually" assert that I "hate"???? That
"characterization" as a "hater" is a dead giveaway of a Neocon, at the
least or more likely of a Zionist Racist Jew. It is a sort of "ad
hominem" rhetorical attack directed at the "person" instead of at the
issue under consideration.... It sortof makes me laugh.... this
"hater" label is the current "fad" used by Rile 'em up O'Reilly and by
Shit Sean Hannity, in particulear (as well as others) to smear their
opposition. Do you like Shit Sean and Rile 'em up.... Adam? And, more
to the point, do you happen to be Jewish, in which case there may
still be some hope? Or, worse yet, are you a Zionist Racist Jew, in
which case you are probably an unreachable and forever lost
supremacist bigot? What has anyone ever done to me.... you ask?
Clearly, "they" have done what I say they have done to me.... First,
"they" have Censored me.... and Second, "they" have Plagiarized my
work. Isn't that enough "cause"???? I ask rhetorically.
Anyway, Adam.... let me know something about your "position".... where
you come from "ideologically", okay? and I hope you like my latest
addition to my NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME..... it is the New
York Times newspaper.... for the 'letter to the editor that I include,
below..... The "Times" censotred me by refusing to publish it and
then, about one month later or so.... one of its own "editorial
columnists" plagiarized my "
Honest Broker arguement in one of his own publications.... par for the
course for my "stuff" So, you see, when it comes to plagiarism and
censorship.... I do not play political favorites.... a thief is a
thief, regardless.
nominal9
Letter to the
Editor
December 4, 2001
New York Times
Editor:
The war is over and the U.S. just lost. The moment that G. W. Bush
extended the
umbrella of the "war on terrorism" to cover Ariel Sharon and Israel's
policies against the
Palestinians, any pretense on the part of the U.S. of being an honest
broker and an
innocent victim of terrorism was dashed.
It's the same damned U.S. mistake time and time again. The most
direct parallel
happened in the early 1980's under Ronald Reagan. At that time, Ariel
Sharon and Israel
had invaded Lebanon. The U.S. went to Beirut with an international
peacekeeping force
to, ostensibly, keep the combatant Israelis separated from the
Lebanese and Palestinians.
It went well until the U.S. forces decided to direct bombs and naval
gunfire against
Lebanese positions. Those actions gave some Lebanese the impression
that the U.S. was
not acting as a fair peacekeeper but was rather acting as a combatant
ally of Israel, little
wonder. A Lebanese suicide bomber drove a truck full of explosives
into a Beirut
building that was being used as a Marine barracks and killed over 200
U.S. personnel.
Not long afterwards, the U.S. force was withdrawn from Lebanon by
President Reagan. A
similar situation occurred in the early 1990's under President Clinton
in Somalia. Here
again, the U.S. entered Somalia ostensibly on a peacekeeping mission,
to insure the
distribution of food supplies in a war torn and starving nation. All
well and good, until
U.S. forces took sides against one of the local Muslim warlords and
tried to either kill or
capture him by force of arms. The Muslim warlord did not appreciate
being targeted for
bullets instead of food aid, one U.S. helicopter was shot down and
U.S. forces engaged in
a bloody firefight from which they were forced to retreat leaving
behind dead and
suffering other casualties. Once again, shortly afterwards these later
U.S. forces were
withdrawn from Somalia by President Clinton. Clearly, in both cases,
the failure was with
U.S. presidential leadership, not with the soldiers.
Call it "mission creep" or maybe it was just a dearth of "truth in
advertising". The
pattern is fairly obvious. First, the U.S. represents itself either
as 1) a fair and
disinterested third party or 2) as an unjustly aggrieved innocent
bystander to some
situation. Second, the U.S. introduces its military or economic
presence into the fracas
under the pretense of being an honest broker between two parties.
Third, then the U.S.
chooses one side and, in the process, betrays the other. Fourth,
that's when the U.S.
"honest broker" deception is made manifest and there is Hell to pay.
In the present instance, as of a few days ago, President Bush and
the U.S. just
effected the third stage betrayal in the war on terrorism. It's just a
question of time until
the fourth stage comes around. What exactly did President Bush do?
First, President
Bush and the U.S. government represented itself to the world
community, to NATO, to
the U.N., to Muslim countries and to the U.S. electorate as being an
innocent, unjustly
targeted victim of terrorism. The terrorists, consisting of Bin Laden
and his group,
directly attacked the U.S. savagely and without cause. Second,
President Bush convinced
his global audience of this case. President Bush was able to extract a
certain consensus of
opinion and build a coalition of nations to fight this specific
terrorist threat (i.e., Bin
Laden and his group). Third, but now the unjustly targeted victims of
terrorism are no
longer the U.S. hijacked airline passengers plus the Twin Towers and
the Pentagon
victims, alone. Lo and behold, the U.S. has expanded the mission to
fighting Israel's
purported terrorist battle, too. So, the fight was never solely about
Bin Laden's attacks
against the U.S. of September 11, 2001. And, the U.S. was not as
disinterested as it may
have appeared regarding the conflict between Israel and the
Palestinians. Fourth, one can
assume that at least some Muslim members of the "coalition" against
terrorism will not
take kindly to having the label of terrorist extended to Hamas or to
other Muslim
organizations....Lebanon has already balked. Fourth, it may also prove
unlikely that the
U.N. security council or the U.N. in its entirety will allow its
mandates against terrorism
to be applied to Palestinians and to the situation surrounding Israel.
Fourth, Israel is not a
member of NATO, so any treaty obligations which apply to the U.S. do
not extend to
Israel. Fourth, and what do the U.S. families of the victims of the
September 11, 2001
attacks think?
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
P.S. I require that this opinion letter only be published in its
entirety, word for word, or
not at all. There's nothing nefarious about this request, I just
despise censorship.
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Adam
I am myself astonished that I am still discussing with you. My good
manners dont allow me to do otherwise. All in all I sense a strongly
established paranoia within you. I have nothing to do with any sort of
"conspiracy" - that I can tell you ;)
What you must understand is that there are different people
everywhere, in every nation, religion and other social structure.
Within every group there are normal and abnormal people. Evil or
anything of the like canot be attributed to a simple group. Rather to
single individuals. That is the way it always was, and will be until
we reach another level of reasoning (which will not happen any time
soon...)
regards
adam
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nominal9
Call me paranaoid..... like you called me a "hater"..... but still, I
notice that you "declined" to answer my questions as to your
Jewish"roots" ... as well as to your political "ideology"..... call me
"prescient" if I guessed correctly, okay?.... I think that I did. And
here is another of my guesses about you, Adam.... For all of your
psycho-babble talk about "hatred" and sensing "paranoia", etc. .... I
think that the full extent of your education in psychology and/or
psychiatry probably consists entirely of what you learned from
speaking with your pre-ubescent "friends" or what you gleaned from
watching self-help television programs.... like Dr. Phil,
maybe?.....Me, on the other hand,.... I have read a few things by
Freud, Jung, Adler and some others.... and I say that you are "faking
it" (your "feigned" knowledge, that is), Adam.
Remember the New York Times? Here's a second, follow-up letter that I
sent to them a few months later.....back then. Just to show you that I
"confronted" the Times, at that time, as well.... They never did
reply. The Times was a very overtly pro- Iraq war, Zionist Racist
paper back then,,,, what with Judith Miller, Willam Safire (I nick-
named him ASS-afire) and others.... The Times is still wavering and
ambivalent in its pro- Iraq war Zionist Racism.... but now it is
trying to reclaim its more liberal or progressive audience.... Me, I
don't trust them.... like I said, a thief is a thief, regardless of
politics.
nominal9
Letter to the
Editor
New York Times
Dear Sir or Madam:
On or about December 4, 2001, I submitted a previous Letter To The
Editor to
your newspaper for consideration toward possible publication. You did
not publish it. I
include a copy of the said prior letter for reference. I think, now,
you might recognize that
the views I previously expressed were indeed accurate and relevant. I
have heard at least
one of your "Times" columnists echo my "honest broker" argument...I
will not say that
my views were definitely plagiarized...maybe it was a congruence of
brilliant insight on
his part two months or so after I had stated the same argument.
In any event, I have recently formulated some subsequent arguments on
the same
overall topic and submitted them in debate to some New York talk radio
personalities. I
also include a copy of these later pertinent March 27, 2002 writings
of mine for your
consideration. I suggest to you that, if you are interested, I could
easily re-write my
included 3/27/2002 letter in such a way to present it as a Letter To
The Editor which
could be published by your newspaper. I envision simply changing some
of the direct
references to the parties spoken of from the first person to third
person form of address.
Or, if you like, perhaps you would like to reconsider and now proceed
to publish
my December 4, 2001 letter either singly or in conjunction with my
more recent one.
Well, let me know what you decide. That is, if you deem me of
adequate stature to
warrant a reply. I will be on the look-out for more congruences of
brilliant creative
insight. Take care, now.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
nominal9
What I find most intriguing is your abuse of ... (three points)
The rest is just shit. You are obviously so insane...
I somehow expected a message from you today, in time to remember
another madness...
Go fu.... yourself..... /einseele
ET TU BRUTE????
einseele, I am taken aback....
I thought that you and I were on "cordial" terms if not entirely of
"frIendly" ones....
Well, you have a right to your opinion.... although I believe that you
are totally wrong about me, and I am sorry to lose a possible
comrade....
By the way.... if you have difficulty using "vulgar" terms.... may I
suggest that you try the following "abbreviations".... either 4Q, or
4Q2.... say then "phonetically".... Cute, eh?
Well, asta la vista, einseele.... and 4Q2....
nominal9
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Welcome to my NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME.... your personal
"cowardice" in light your "connections", as to what and whom you know
(ol' G.W. Lush), All the "tutelage" and good cousel that I gave you
through the years not only qualifies you as a Censor, worthy to go to
Hell for an eternity with your head up your ass and with shit for
brains.... but also merits my especial disdain for being a useless and
self-serving fool. Below is the documented "proof" for my censorship
charge against Ol' Tony Snow -Job., Although there are
other ,communications which prove more to the point, they are not as
"entertaining" and salient as this one. Also, as an aside, some may
recognize that my Tony Snow -Job nickname was also... lifted... by
another of these incompompetent plagiarizing and unoriginal Zionist
Racist Neocons.... the Ziuonist Racist Jewru, Mark Levin, on his
"radio show" has take to calling Senator Olympia Snow, of Maine,
Senator Snow-Job.... Well, of course, the Jewru, Levin, stole the
moniker from me and he shifted it unto Senator O. Snow..... Sorry, ya
thievin' shithead.... I used it first, as you know and I used it
against one of your own Jackass Stupid Ideological chums.... Tony Snow-
Job.
nominal9
To:
3/18/2003
Shit-Sean Hannity
Rile 'em up O'Reilly
Tony Snow-job.
2
Cocksuckers :
Reference the attachment and remember that, to my way of thinking,
y'all three
constituted my partly coined "coalition of the willing" for
Afghanistan. But y'all chicken-
shitted out, back then.
Now, G.W. Lush swipes my words and says that he wants to send his own
"coalition of the willing" to "liberate" Iraq. Well, there you go,
here's your second chance.
I say that all of y'all deserve to be among the first to come back in
body bags from this
seemingly inescapable Iraqi stage of the conflict. Better y'all than
innocent U.S. soldiers
and others, I say.
I gave y'all the full benefit of the doubt. Y'all got my honest
advice and the
reasons therefor up front many times, already. But, y'all chose to
censor, second guess,
and attempt to misapply and bastardize the fruits of my labors for
your own Zionist Racist
ends, at every turn.
Y'all knew from the start that I refuse to pledge my allegiance to
Israel and to
Zionist Racism, as a matter of moral / ethical principle. I ain't
givin' shitheads like y'all
editorial pre-emption over my work any more. Chart your own dead end
"road map" and
let everyone see where y'all's own "intellects" and "world views"
really lead.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX
P.S. This one is not for publication. This one is just for y'all,
COCKSUCKERS .
cc: K. Rupert Murdoch;
....My advice to you, I gave you fair warning. Clean house. Flush
these thieving pieces of
shit. They are not capable of producing anything on their own, in any
event....
Maybe some others.
nominal9
You definitely deserve to be enlisted into my NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL
OF SHAME. Let me say, with great gusto and satisfaction, "May you
spend an actual eternity in Hell with your head up your ass and with
shit for brains.... as you have figuratively lived, in life". As I
said.... I gave you fair warning, but you "chose" to disregard my
counsel.... both as to your choice of bigotedf Propagandists and as
to your own refusal to even allow a dissenting view, in the form of
fairly cogent differing viewer mail . Serves you more than right....
Mud-Duck...
nominal9
To: Mr. K. Rupert
Murdoch
12/1/2001
The News Corporation Limited
Two Holt Street
Sidney, New South Wales, Australia
Mr. Murdoch:
I have sent, for your consideration, copies of communications which I
have
engaged in with people either employed by or associated with your U.S.
holding, the Fox
News Channel. A reading of these materials will show that I have
engaged in a difference
of opinion with your employees or associates regarding their publicly
broadcasted views
pertaining to, mostly, Israel or Israeli policies. It is my assertion
to you that your
employees or associates in question are Zionist racists and that their
bigotry is a
predominant component of the Fox News Channel and other venues they
use.
I don't presume to want to quell their opinions or infringe on your
company's right
to air whichever views you desire. But, your Fox News Channel bills
itself as a fair and
balanced source. Well, my opposing way of thinking doesn't get any air
time, even as a
dissenting opinion read as viewer mail. I have asked you or your Fox
News Channel
CEO, in a penned addendum to my last Sean Hannity letter, to afford
me an opportunity
to furnish a rebuttal to your employees. I want to be sure that you,
personally, have read
my request and that you have the final say as to whether my request is
honored or not.
My own opinion is that your Fox News Channel is, politically, a
predominantly
right leaning voice in the public airways. I don't begrudge them that,
although I disagree
with most of it. I do want you to take notice, though, that the pro-
Israel, Zionist voices in
your employ have gone beyond political affiliation and have gotten
into being cult-status
advocates of a racial (I say racist) and religious view....these guys
make the Moonies
look good.
Thank you for your attention. Do what you will. I gave you "fair"
warning. G'day,
mate....always wanted to say that.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
nominal9
NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME, but I don't think that I have
demonstrated with documentation that I did, in effect, ask "El Kosher
Pork-Off" to publish or broadcast some of my "stuff". The letter that
I "paste" below will shoew that I did, in effect, ask "The Circumcised
Prick and Fount of Zionist Gizm" to do so....
Also, I include some "backgroud info" regarding this "patriot to the
wrong country"... i.e., Israel (instead of his own U.S.of A.).... by
linking to the "Media Matters" entry on him. This entry also accesses
other information regarding "Pork-Off's" current problems with the
U.S. Congress and with others for his broadcast derogatory comments
concerning disputed (?) U. S. soldiers who happen to be against the
Iraq War.
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/rushlimbaugh
Me, I always said that Pork-Off was, himself, more dedicated to
Zionist Racist interests than to U.S. national interests....even if
it meant going counter to his own Right -Wing Neo-Con Republican
President, G. W. "Lush"....
nominal9
To: Rush
Limbaugh
October 10, 2001
EIB Building
Two Penn Plaza, 17th Floor
New York, NY 10121
Hey Rush,
you circumcised prick, what do you think of my rendition of Rush's
Pledge of Allegiance:
"I pledge allegiance to the Star of David of the Zionist State of
Israel, and to the racist
oligarchy for which it stands. One Kingdom, under the ineffable
Yahweh, exclusive, with
criminal license and prejudgment in favor just of Jews.".
Oh yeah, Rush....you're a super-patriot, alright, just to the wrong
country. In this
time of U.S. war against terrorism, when it came to a choice between
either siding with a
U.S. foreign policy favoring (if only in theory) a Palestinian State
or opting for the Israeli
position against it, we all saw where you came down. You (and some
others) stood very
vocally on the side of Israel and (m', m', m', my) Sharon(a) against
this crucial, coalition-
building U.S. foreign policy statement.
You walkin', talkin' piece of shit, you are lower that any pinko
commie ever was.
A communist was straightforward in his or her opposition to U.S.
issues in dispute. You,
on the other hand, act like the enemy within. You pass yourself off as
someone's pal, only
to get close enough to stab him in the back. Typical {ZIONIST RACIST}
jewish behavior, really.
Sooner or later, more and more people are bound to catch on to your
game. But,
when the time comes, you can always claim a homestead in Tel
Aviv....where your
loyalty really lies. Your buddy, BB Nut-and-yahoo, can be your
neighbor.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
cc: Shit Sean Hannity,
Tony Snow-job,
Rile 'em up O'Reilly,
maybe a few others.
PS Stop plagiarizing my work, y'all.
nominal9
"shifty" Colmes. This is more of a "Dishohorable Mention" than a full-
fledged enlistment.... "Shifty" is more of an "enabler" of Censorship
than an active practitioner.... As such, his punishment is slightly
different from the others.... "Shifty's" lot, in my opinion, is to go
through an eternity in Hell, just like the rest, literally with Shit
for Brains.... but in stead of having his head up his own Ass....
Shifty's head will be lodged up "Shit Sean Hannity's" Ass.
nominal9
To: Alan "Shifty"
Colmes
12/10/2001
co. Fox News Channel
"Shifty",
What sort of crap-ass excuse for a liberal are you, anyway? The
moniker, "Shifty",
stands for your constant knuckling under to the right....it's also
descriptive of your "shifty-
eyed" grin every time you sell out.
I have enclosed a written argument position for you to consider. It
is what an
honest to goodness liberal might have to say regarding the current
twist in the "war on
terrorism".
Personally, I don't believe that you are a liberal at all on this
issue. I suspect that,
like Shit Sean, you are just another Zionist racist, or at least a
Zionist racist sympathizer.
Surprise me, do some "balanced" reporting and broadcast what Muslims,
the
U.N., NATO and U.S. victim families think about the extension of the
U.S. "war on
terrorism" to include the Israeli / Palestinian situation. The
parallels are correct, G. W.
may win the battle in the near term but he just lost the war. Side by
side with Shit Sean,
Tony Snow-job and Rile 'em up O'Reilly....the whole world recognizes
that President
G.W. Lush really blew ol' Sharon(a)'s Kosher cock when he made the
choice to align
with him openly. Remember where you heard it first.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
P.S. Say "spread your ass cheeks and give everybody a clear shot" to
the chicken-shit
chums for me. And don't even think of plagiarizing my work.
On Oct 5, 8:13 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that I have already assigned Rush Limbaugh to my
> NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME, but I don't think that I have
> demonstrated with documentation that I did, in effect, ask "El Kosher
> Pork-Off" to publish or broadcast some of my "stuff". The letter that
> I "paste" below will shoew that I did, in effect, ask "The Circumcised
> Prick and Fount of Zionist Gizm" to do so....
> Also, I include some "backgroud info" regarding this "patriot to the
> wrong country"... i.e., Israel (instead of his own U.S.of A.).... by
> linking to the "Media Matters" entry on him. This entry also accesses
> other information regarding "Pork-Off's" current problems with the
> U.S. Congress and with others for his broadcast derogatory comments
> concerning disputed (?) U. S. soldiers who happen to be against the
> Iraq War.http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/rushlimbaugh
nominal9
OF SHAME.... it goes to.... Curtis "Curt-Ass the Fart-Ass" Sliwa....
another WABC radio talk show personality..... Curt-Ass, too is to be
relegated to an eternity in Hell with shit for brains and his head
stuck up Shit Sean Hannity's Ass.... just like Shifty Colmes, above.
Curt-Ass is not a "liberal" by any means, but he does tend to show
some sense inb one or two areas.... Too bad that, for all of his
"bravado'', Curt-ass doesn't have the guts to stand up to some of the
real "bullies".... his right-wing chums....
nominal9
Curt-Ass
Sliwa
December 20, 2002
co: 77WABC
Curt-Ass:
I wouldn't want you to feel left out. It seems to me that you are
just aching to
receive one of my letters so that you can react to it. Tell you what,
you can start by
reading the attached letter that I sent to Shit-Sean over a year ago.
Change the ethnic
origin from Irish to whatever you are, and the letter applies to you,
too.
That's another thing, what is your real ethnic background, anyway?
You insist on
calling yourself at least part Italian. You lost the religion (I am
not just talking personally,
which you admit, but you also reject the Church positions in the
Israeli /Palestinian
dispute, on economic issues, etc. ...you are all over the place). You
lost the language (i.e.,
if I say, "Tu sei uno stronzo, un pezzo di merda fetente"...you
probably need someone to
translate). I would be surprised if there are all that many Italians
who would admit to
being your close friends. Are you sure that you aren't mostly Polish
Jew? I don't mean that
as a slur. It's a question of truth in advertising. Frankly, I think
that you play the ethnic
and religious affiliations thing too calculatingly. You just use it as
a way to hook an
audience, don't you? Curt-Ass says: "Hey, look at me. Are you
Italian?...I'm Italian,
too...let me sell you something. Are you Catholic? I used to be an
altar boy....".
Curt-Ass, I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. My first
approach is
usually up front, all cards on the table, face-up. I think you already
know where I stand.
On most issues, we tend to be at opposing ends. Regarding Israel, I
will tell you again,
outright, your loyalty to Zionist racist Jews is misplaced. MORALLY
MISPLACED.
Israel is a racist, apartheid oligarchy. You have probably read or
heard about my rendition
of the "Rush Limbaugh Pledge of Allegiance"....it is accurate. Some
Palestinians and
some Muslims in general are not choir boys, themselves. BUT THE
ZIONIST RACIST
JEWS ARE WORSE. Why?...because Zionist racist Jews are not just
individuals and
groups. Zionists have succeeded in the ethnic cleansing of the
territory now called Israel.
Zionists wanted to and did displace vast numbers of mostly Muslim
inhabitants. THEY
ROBBED THE PALESTINIANS OF THEIR LANDS AND OF THEIR POLITICAL
AND HUMAN RIGHTS. To what end?... For what reason? Once more time,
( try to get
it), Zionist racist Jews set out to organize and institutionalize
their idea of racial and
religious purity into a STATE...A NATION BASED ON AND DEDICATED TO
EXCLUSION AND RACISM. That is not right.
Hey Curt-Ass, I doubt I convinced y'all. So, what can I say? Take the
"Rush
Limbaugh Pledge of Allegiance". Stay in Israel. This was your nice
letter. If you want to
take it to the trenches, IF YOU'VE GOT THE BALLS...Anytime.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
cc: the "Grand Whizzer" of the "Piss-Pants Clan", Phil Boyce.
On Oct 12, 8:51 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Another entry in my NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL OF SHAME.... Alan
> "shifty" Colmes. This is more of a "Dishohorable Mention" than a full-
> fledged enlistment.... "Shifty" is more of an "enabler" of Censorship
> than an active practitioner.... As such, his punishment is slightly
> different from the others.... "Shifty's" lot, in my opinion, is to go
> through an eternity in Hell, just like the rest, literally with Shit
> for Brains.... but in stead of having his head up his own Ass....
> Shifty's head will be lodged up "Shit Sean Hannity's" Ass.
> nominal9
>
> To: Alan "Shifty"
> Colmes
> 12/10/2001
> co. Fox News Channel
>
> "Shifty",
> What sort of crap-ass excuse for a liberal are you, anyway? The
> moniker, "Shifty",
> stands for your constant knuckling under to the right....it's also
> descriptive of your "shifty-
> eyed" grin every time you sell out.
> Ihaveenclosed a written argument position for you to consider. It
> is what an
> honest to goodness liberal mighthaveto say regarding the current
> > I am pretty sure that Ihavealready assigned Rush Limbaugh to my
> > > shit for brains.... as youhavefiguratively lived, in life". As I
> > > said.... I gave you fair warning, but you "chose" to disregard my
> > > counsel.... both as to your choice of bigotedf Propagandists and as
> > > to your own refusal to even allow a dissenting view, in the form of
> > > fairly cogent differing viewer mail . Serves you more than right....
> > > Mud-Duck...
> > > nominal9
>
> > > To: Mr. K. Rupert
> > > Murdoch
> > > 12/1/2001
> > > The News Corporation Limited
> > > Two Holt Street
> > > Sidney, New South Wales, Australia
>
> > > Mr. Murdoch:
> > > Ihavesent, for your consideration, copies of communications which I
> > >have
> > > engaged in with people either employed by or associated with your U.S.
> > > holding, the Fox
> > > News Channel. A reading of these materials will show that Ihave
> > > engaged in a difference
> > > of opinion with your employees or associates regarding their publicly
> > > broadcasted views
> > > pertaining to, mostly, Israel or Israeli policies. It is my assertion
> > > to you that your
> > > employees or associates in question are Zionist racists and that their
> > > bigotry is a
> > > predominant component of the Fox News Channel and other venues they
> > > use.
> > > I don't presume to want to quell their opinions or infringe on your
> > > company's right
> > > to air whichever views you desire. But, your Fox News Channel bills
> > > itself as a fair and
> > > balanced source. Well, my opposing way of thinking doesn't get any air
> > > time, even as a
> > > dissenting opinion read as viewer mail. Ihaveasked you or your Fox
> > > News Channel
> > > CEO, in a penned addendum to my last Sean Hannity letter, to afford
> > > me an opportunity
> > > to furnish a rebuttal to your employees. I want to be sure that you,
> > > personally,haveread
> > > my request and that youhavethe final say as to whether my request is
nominal9
to enlist Mr. Mark "Scimmione" Simone, another Radio Talk Personality
on WABC in New York, New York. Mr. Simone has the further distinction
of being, what I call, a prime example of a Lying Zionist Racist Jew
Cocksucker, as will become evident to anyone who reads the attached
"document" below.... Therefore, there'a a "little" twist to my
judgment and punishment for Mark Scimmione, May Mark be castrated and
forced to suckle on his own genitals prior to literally going through
an eternity in Hell with his head up his Ass and Shit for brains...
just as he has figuratively wasted his time doing here on Earth....
nominal9
Federal Communications
Commission April 20, 2004
Enforcement Bureau
445 12th Street, SW, Room 3-B443
Washington, DC 20554
Sir or Madam:
I hereby file a FORMAL, LEGAL COMPLAINT with the Federal
Communications Commission. If this complaint fails to meet any
applicable FCC
requirements as to form or procedure, kindly inform me of any
inadequacy and I will, if
required, try to rectify it and re-submit the complaint to you.
I am the complainant, Mr. Lamberto Lucarelli, a private person and
general public
radio listener. My legal residence and pertinent contact information
are as follows:
Mr. XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXX etc.
The offending parties are employees of 77 WABC, an FCC licensed
commercial
AM radio station headquartered at the following business address:
77 WABC
2 Penn Plaza
New York, NY 10121.
I identify the direct offending parties as Mr. Mark Simone, radio
host; Mr. Philip Boyce,
program director; and Mr. Timothy McCarthy, station manager; all of
77 WABC.
I filed a separate complaint regarding this matter with the U.S.
Attorney for the
Southern District of New York. I HAVE APPENDED A COPY OF THIS U.S.
ATTORNEY COMPLAINT, HERETO. I ASK THE FCC TO READ IT
THOROUGHLY AND TO CONSIDER IT AS MY COMPLAINT TO THE FCC, AS
WELL. In the appended U.S. Attorney complaint, I have also identified
other possible
indirect offending parties and/or possible second order offending
parties who may have
had a hand in the overall matters complained of. I inform the FCC
that, as of the writing
of this FCC complaint, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of
New York has yet to
reply to the said U.S. Attorney complaint.
The primary basis for my complaint to the FCC regards a responsive e-
mail
message that was sent to me the complainant by Mr. Mark Simone, who is
a radio talk
show host employed by 77 WABC. I have included a copy of this
responsive e-mail
which is dated Wed. 31 Dec 2003 as attached EXHIBIT C to this
complaint. In its
entirety, this e-mail written by the offending party Mr. Simone states
the following:
"In a message dated 12/31/2003 3:34:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bertlu...@netscape.net writes:
I guess you decline to give a straight answer to my question
regarding your ethnic
background.
We don't respond to hate mail. But when we receive extremely anti-
Semitic mail, we do
forward it to the proper authorities and we have done so with yours.".
First of all, I submit to the FCC that even the most suggestive,
interpretative, reading of
this complainant's so-called offending sentence does not come close to
being
objectionable. Furthermore, I the complainant categorically deny that
anything which I
have ever written to Mr. Mark Simone or to other parties at 77 WABC
radio station is
either anti-Semitic or is hate mail in any way. To the contrary, I
assert that the offending
party Mr. Simone and other 77 WABC radio personalities are themselves
the actual
racists.
But, for the present purposes, it is important that the FCC pays
particular
attention to the latter portion of Mr. Simone's noted e-mail which
states the following:
...."we do forward it to the proper authorities and we have done so
with yours". According
to this statement, the offending party Mr. Mark Simone represents that
he and others (i.e.,
"we") 'forwarded' something of mine (i.e., "it"....presumably my e-
mail comments) to so-
called "proper authorities" in complaint of the content of my remarks.
I have since, by
subsequent e-mails, repeatedly asked the offending party Mr. Simone
and his superiors at
77 WABC radio station to identify exactly what sort of complaint was
filed against me
and with whom. The offending party Mr. Simone, himself, replied one
more time by e-
mail to my subsequent inquiries. I have included a copy of this second
responsive e-mail
which is dated Fri, 2 Jan 2004 sent to me by Mr. Simone as attached
EXHIBIT E to this
complaint. However, the offending party Mr. Simone declined to
identify further any
specific information (as to jurisdiction or venue) regarding this
presumed complaint of
first instance that was supposedly lodged against me. I also made e-
mail inquiries of the
other offending parties, messers Boyce and McCarthy, asking them to
identify the gist of
the presumed complaint of first instance that was purportedly
'forwarded' against me by
Mr. Simone as well as the identity of the so-called "proper
authorities" to whom it was
sent. For their parts, the other offending parties, messers Boyce and
McCarthy, never
replied in any way to my e-mails. In conclusion, as of the writing of
this complaint to the
FCC, I have yet to be informed either of the content of this presumed
complaint of first
instance that was purportedly 'forwarded' against me or of the
identity of so-called
"proper authorities" to whom it was sent. Nothing has been made known
to me either by
the offending parties, themselves, or by any other parties or
independent authorities of
any kind.
Once again, to reiterate, I ask the FCC to read thoroughly the
attached complaint
that I the complainant sent to the U.S. Attorney for the Southern
District of New York for
a fuller and more documented explanation of the factual and legal
matters at issue. I
FORMALLY ASK THE FCC TO TREAT ALL FACTUAL AND LEGAL ISSUES
CONTAINED IN THE ATTACHED U.S. ATTORNEY COMPLAINT AS ALSO
HAVING BEEN LEGALLY RAISED FOR ADJUDICATION BY THE FCC, TO THE
EXTENT THAT THE FCC HAS JURISDICTION OVER THEM. Furthermore, after
reading the attached U.S. Attorney complaint and associated exhibits I
ask the FCC to
specifically respond to the following issues, as well.
1) I ask the FCC to apprise me the complainant whether the FCC,
itself, was the
recipient of the purported complaint of first instance that the
offending party Mr. Mark
Simone 'forwarded' to "proper authorities". In the event that the FCC
was indeed the
recipient of Mr. Simone's ostensible complaint of first instance then
I ask the FCC to
inform me in full, as the putative defendant, of any and all actions
or rulings that the FCC
entered in my regard.
2) I ask the FCC to speak to the issue of what jurisdiction or legal
authority, if
any, the FCC claims pertaining to my private e-mails or U.S. Postal
correspondence that I
the complainant sent to employees of FCC regulated radio or television
companies. In
this regard, I ask the FCC to specifically address this question of
legal basis for 'subject
matter jurisdiction' as it regards my e-mails or U.S. Postal
correspondence that WERE
NOT CONSIGNED FOR BROADCAST OR TRANSMISSION either on the radio or on
the television. It is my legal contention that the FCC lacks 'subject
matter jurisdiction'
over these NON-BROADCAST private e-mails and private U.S. Postal
correspondence.
3) I ask the FCC to speak to the issues of False Personation or
Misrepresentations
of Fact. I ask the FCC to inform 77 WABC that their private company
has no authority
derived from the FCC to threaten presumed legal action against general
public audience
listeners. Most importantly, I ask the FCC to levy all punishments,
fines, sanctions or
revocation of license as set by applicable FCC rule or law against the
offending parties
for any intentional false personations of FCC authority or for
misrepresentations of fact
regarding the exact boundaries of FCC authority that the offending
parties may have
committed in violation of my U.S. Constitutional rights and other
civil rights under
federal laws, as set forth in the attached U.S. Attorney complaint.
4) I ask the FCC to speak to the issue of this complainant's rights
to freedom of
speech under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
The FCC will note as a matter of fact that I did ask some of the
possible indirect
offending parties at 77 WABC to broadcast via radio certain other
submitted e-mails or
postal correspondences of mine. These other specified written
submissions for broadcast
were all either passed over as explicitly not fit for broadcast or
implicitly denied without
comment by 77 WABC.
I recognize that a private radio station such as 77 WABC can legally
refuse to
broadcast any general public submission for any of its own reasons
whatsoever without
violating the First Amendment rights of the public person making the
submission. I take
it the reasoning is that, as a private enterprise, the radio
broadcasting company is not a
state or government entity as stipulated under the First Amendment and
so it can regulate
its own broadcast material as it wishes. Of course this private vs.
government distinction
is belied by the fact that the 'private' broadcasting companies are
regulated by the FCC
and cannot broadcast certain material, in any case. So, I guess it
just comes down to one
of those legal non sequiturs that are legal anyway.
At this point I am asking the FCC for an advisory opinion concerning
certain
submissions which , I concede, 77 WABC had a legal right to reject for
broadcast on the
basis of 77 WABC 's own particular political biases or prejudices. My
question is
whether the FCC itself, as a matter of law, would allow these
submissions of mine to be
broadcast on commercial radio without taking FCC punitive action
against the
broadcasting company?
I ask the FCC to appraise the included Related Exhibit #13, a letter
dated
3/27/2002 that I submitted for possible broadcast to Mr. Sean Hannity
at 77 WABC. I ask
the FCC to render an advisory opinion as to whether any portions of
the said letter would
be subject to censorship and/or constitute cause for FCC punitive
action in the event of
broadcast by radio. I point out to the FCC that the content of this
letter is political and
that only a few phrases of it can be said to be profane or indecent.
These questionable
phrases consist of : [Shit-Sean, the "Leper-Khan" with his racist
crock of shit;... chicken -
shits;... the fount of Zionist gizm, el Kosher Pork-Off, Rush "the
Circumcised Prick"
Limbaugh;... Shwartz-farts natural methane gas].
I ask the FCC to appraise the included Related Exhibit #16, an e-mail
dated
9/26/2002 sent by me to Mr. Rush Limbaugh. I ask the FCC to render an
advisory opinion
as to whether any portions of the said e-mail would be subject to
censorship and/or
constitute cause for FCC punitive action in the event of broadcast by
radio. I point out to
the FCC that I asked Mr. Limbaugh to broadcast a political parody of
the pledge of
allegiance. These questionable phrases are not profane or indecent in
any way and consist
of the following: [Rush Limbaugh Pledge of Allegiance. ...I pledge
allegiance to the Star
of David of the Zionist State of Israel and to the racist oligarchy
for which it stands. One
Kingdom, under the ineffable Yahweh, exclusive, with criminal license
and prejudgment
in favor just of Jews.].
I ask the FCC to appraise the included Related Exhibit #18, a letter
dated
12/2/2002 sent by me to Mr. John Gambling. I ask the FCC to render an
advisory opinion
as to whether any portions of this said letter would be subject to
censorship and/or
constitute cause for FCC punitive action in the event of broadcast by
radio. I point out to
the FCC that the content of this letter is political and that there is
only one portion which
may be considered indecent or profane, as follows: [What is all this
wee-wee stuff? Are
y'all some kind of piss-pants cowardly pissants who are too afraid to
do the dirty work on
your own?].
I ask the FCC to appraise the included Related Exhibit #27, two
related e-mails
exchanged between me and Mr. Ron Kuby, both respectively dated Thu, 4
Dec 2003. I
ask the FCC to render an advisory opinion as to whether any portions
of my submission
would be subject to censorship and/or constitute cause for FCC
punitive action in the
event of broadcast by radio. I point out to the FCC that the content
of this e-mail is
political and the portions which may be objectionable or perhaps
indecent / profane are
as follows: [Recently, I suggested a take-off of the Country Joe
standard "Vietnam rag" to
your co-worker Cowardly Cocksucker2 Weber for broadcast as a topical
skit. .... I
suggested that the skit begin with a voice-over of the FISH cheer,
replacing the original
letters with the voiced in letters B-U-S-H... the rest of the cheer
would remain the same
(i.e., "What's that spell? Fuck. What's that spell? Fuck. What's that
spell? Fuck. What's
that spell? Fuck.). I also sent Wee-Wee Weber, there, the score to the
"rag" with my
suggested altered lyrics (i.e.: either "to fight Saddam" {or even "to
fight Islam"} in place
of "Vietnam; "ay-rabs" and "muslim" in place of "reds" and "commie"
respectively; and
finally "on old Saddam" {or even "on all Islam"} in place of "on the
Viet Cong".)].
Frankly, I think that the FCC has been treading on very shaky First
Amendment
grounds in some of its recent decisions as to indecency or profanity
in the media. I think
that my speech as sampled above has been very politically oriented,
albeit admittedly
interspersed with satirical use of profane or indecent language. So,
is the FCC going to
legally bless the censorship of my personal choice of political
expression?
I thank the FCC for its time and, hopefully, for its full and due
consideration of
my present complaint.
Sincerely,
Mr. XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
cc: Messers Simone, Boyce, McCarthy,
at 77 WABC.
On Oct 25, 8:52 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here's another "Dishonorable Mention" in my NOMINAL9 CENSORSHIP HALL
> OF SHAME.... it goes to.... Curtis "Curt-Ass the Fart-Ass" Sliwa....
> another WABC radio talk show personality..... Curt-Ass, too is to be
> relegated to an eternity in Hell with shit for brains and his head
> stuck up Shit Sean Hannity's Ass.... just like Shifty Colmes, above.
> Curt-Ass is not a "liberal" by any means, but he does tend to show
> some sense inb one or two areas.... Too bad that, for all of his
> "bravado'', Curt-ass doesn'thavethe guts to stand up to some of the
> Israel is a racist, apartheid oligarchy. Youhaveprobably read or
> heard about my rendition
> of the "Rush Limbaugh Pledge of Allegiance"....it is accurate. Some
> Palestinians and
> some Muslims in general are not choir boys, themselves. BUT THE
> ZIONIST RACIST
> JEWS ARE WORSE. Why?...because Zionist racist Jews are not just
> individuals and
> groups. Zionistshavesucceeded in the ethnic cleansing of the
Chris Jenkins
A sincere artist is not one who makes a faithful attempt to put on to canvas what is in front of him, but one who tries to create something which is, in itself, a living thing.
- William Dobell
nominal9
Howdy Chris,
My "standards".... in every sense.... are almost certainly a lot
higher than yours, Chris Jenkins.... I think. So.... judging by that
"fellow" "Dobell"(?) that you like to quote... would I be correct in
"categorizing" you as a Phenomenologist, Chris?..... Or maybe you
aren't all that sure as to what Dobell(?) is epistemologically,
yourself.... You just like the "sound" and "mystery" of his
sayings.... ey, Chris?
nominal9
On Nov 12, 3:46 pm, "Chris Jenkins" <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> fly on the Mind's Eye. I would have hoped that an epistemological listserv
> would hold somewhat higher standards in communication.
>
Chris Jenkins
Oh yeah. Those are some high standards of communication you have there.
> > matter jurisdiction' as it regards my e-mails or U.S . Postal
- William Dobell
nominal9
Glad to see that you replied so promptly. Thank you for your interest.
As to my use of language...."Lying Zionist Racist Jew Cocksucker"...
to refer to Mark "Scimmione" Simone, I thought that I was being quite
kind to the character. Do you know him or of him, Chris? It is the
least that I could say about him. Below is a copy of another
subsequent letter that I sent to the FCC in Mark "Scimmione" Simone's
regard. This will "prove".... if you doubt my word... that this is a
documanted matter.... factual basis. "Scimmione" sought to frighten
or cow me into silence by claiming that I was being somehow reported
to "policing" authorities for my political opinions, (sort of like
your own recourse to the moderator, here at Google, to get me shut up
Chris?). He Mark "the Scimmione" Simone was either lying outright, or
the substance of my expression was rightly considered to be legitimate
free speech by any such "supposed" censoring authority.....hence I was
and am being completely accurate in calling him a LIAR..... as to the
"Zionist Racist" part.... well you would have to be knowlwdgeable of
"Scimmione"'s political ideology to see that .... but he is definitely
a Jew. Now, the "Cocksucker" part.... well, that is just an
appropriate expression of disdain on my part.... I could have just as
easily called "Scimmione" a shit-head... but I chose "Cocksucker" to
try to render the " you scratch my back, I'll scratch
yours ...chumminess" and social climbing tendencies that he
exhibits.... there is nothing even remotely anti-homosexual in my use
of this term, here. Anyway, the use of language here is my choice and
my responsibility.... legal or otherwise. But how about you Chris....
have you given my question to you any thought? How do you stand as to
the epistemological distinctions between Idealist, Realist, Nominalist
and Phenomenologist... or any other Options that you think may have
bearing?
nominal9
Federal Communications
Commission
July 28, 2004
445 12th Street, SW, Room 3-B443
Washington, DC 20554
Sir or Madam:
that I submitted to your FCC Enforcement Bureau. As of the present
date of July 28, 2004, I have yet to receive any word from you
concerning my prior FCC complaint. I ask you to give me an indication
as to any action that the FCC is taking regarding the base matter at
issue. I also write to provide the FCC with an update of subsequent
events related to the base matter at issue in my prior FCC complaint.
And, I also write to perhaps provide a needed specification of the
legal basis in FCC jurisdiction that I assert requires the FCC to
pursue an investigation and prosecution of my complaint.
First, I again identify myself to you as the complainant in the base
FCC complaint at issue. My pertinent information is as follows:
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
.
Second, I again identify the defendant parties in this base FCC
complaint at issue to be the following employees of 77 WABC, an FCC
business address:
Mr. Philip Boyce, program director
2 Penn Plaza
New York, NY 10121.
dated April 20, 2004 to particularly identify the base matter at
interest and also to provide the foundation upon which current
developments and clarifications can build. However, I have not
included any of those previously submitted documents and exhibits with
the present attached copy of my prior April 20, 2004 FCC complaint. I
assume and, dare I say, trust that you have all of the said previously
submitted materials already on file there at your FCC Enforcement
Bureau offices.
A reading of my prior April 20, 2004 FCC complaint will remind you
that I had also filed a separate, more detailed complaint of the base
matter at issue against the same 77 WABC defendants with the U.S.
Attorney for the Southern District of New York. I appended a copy of
this previous said April 5, 2004 U.S. Attorney complaint to my
original April 20, 2004 FCC complaint. There and then, I asked the FCC
to consider all factual and legal issues raised in the said April 5,
2004 U.S. Attorney complaint to have also been legally raised by me,
the complainant, before the FCC to the extent that the FCC had legal
jurisdiction over them. At that previous time, on or about April 20,
2004, the U.S. Attorney's Office had yet to reply to my said April 5,
2004 U.S. Attorney complaint. After a follow-up inquiry on my part, I
have recently received a reply from the U.S. Attorney for the Southern
District of New York to my noted similar April 5, 2004 complaint
regarding the same 77 WABC defendants. I include, herewith, for the
consideration of the FCC, copies of the following correspondence: (b)
my follow-up letter of inquiry dated June 25, 2004 that I sent to the
U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York; (c) the reply
dated July 15, 2004 which the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District
of New York sent to me regarding the noted base complaint filed
against the 77 WABC defendants; and (d) a subsequent letter dated July
19, 2004 that I most recently sent to the U.S. Attorney for the
Southern District of New York asking for a reconsideration of the
noted base complaint at issue as well as for a broadening of the legal
focus of the said reconsideration on the part of the U.S. Attorney's
Office. You all at the FCC Enforcement Bureau can read the attached
communications regarding the U.S. Attorney's Office and draw your own
conclusions. Basically, the attached July 15, 2004 reply made by the
U.S. Attorney states "that there does not appear to be a basis for a
criminal investigation of the persons named in your complaint". I
personally conclude that the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern
District of New York was negligent in its legal and ethical duties.
Evidently, the said U.S. Attorney's Office refused to pursue any sort
of factual investigation whatsoever of the base matter at issue. They
only arrived at what they consider to be their legal opinion of a
jurisdictional basis to invoke their own U.S. Attorney's Office direct
participation in the matters complained of. To put it in my own terms,
the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York
played political favorites with this matter and decided to assert a
bureaucratic excuse to do nothing and sit this one out. In my most
recent July 19, 2004 letter to the U.S. Attorney for the Southern
District of New York, I have asked them to reconsider their decision
and to expand the legal area of their review to also consider
jurisdictional authority under federal Civil or Civil Rights laws. I
personally doubt that the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern
District of New York will indeed reverse its prior conclusions in any
way, but I felt obligated to give them a full opportunity to act
professionally and do the right thing. Frankly, the purpose of this
follow-up letter to the FCC is much the same...I want to give the FCC a
full opportunity to act professionally and do the right thing, as
well.
Therefore, I inform the FCC that the actual FACTS regarding my base
complaint at issue against the 77 WABC defendants have not changed. To
reiterate the basic cause of action, in an e-mail sent to me, the
complainant, defendant Mark Simone stated that he had 'forwarded' his
own purported complaint of first instance made against me to certain
so-called "proper authorities". By subsequent e-mails sent by me I
tried to discover from the defendants Simone, Boyce and McCarthy
exactly what defendant Simone's purported complaint of first instance
made against me consisted of and whom it was addressed to (i.e., what
was the legal basis and who were the so-called "proper authorities").
I have not, to the present date, received any sort of explanation from
defendants Simone, Boyce or McCarthy (or from anyone else at 77 WABC)
regarding the factual or legal particulars of their purported
complaint of first instance made against me. Furthermore, to the
present date, I have not received any sort of independent verification
from any sort of authority (proper, legal or otherwise) that the
defendants actually did file a complaint of first instance against me.
I have to believe, as a factual matter, that the defendants' assertion
that they filed their own purported complaint of first instance
against me is fraudulent or fictitious in some way. I have to believe
that the defendants' purported complaint of first instance against me
either never existed or that it was somehow misrepresented by them.
Lastly, I would like to treat the legal question of FCC jurisdiction
over my own complaint made against the defendants Simone, Boyce and
McCarthy of 77 WABC, and perhaps others also associated with them. I
am not a lawyer and the extent of my knowledge and research regarding
FCC Regulations is limited. However, I have seen that the FCC has the
jurisdictional authority to regulate and adjudicate the broadcast of
HOAXES on the part of FCC licensed permittees or licensees. I suggest
to the FCC that this section of the FCC Commission's rules, 47 C.F.R.
Section 73.1217, gives the FCC the legal authority to investigate and
prosecute my own complaint made against the 77 WABC defendants. The
FCC's own commentary regarding this regulation states: "This rule
prohibits broadcast licensees or permittees from broadcasting false
information concerning a crime or a catastrophe if: (1) the licensee
knows this information is false; (2) it is foreseeable that the
broadcast of the information will cause substantial public harm; and
(3) broadcast of the information does in fact directly cause
substantial public harm.". I have included (e) a copy of the FCC's
published commentary to this rule. Although the claim of a purported
complaint of first instance 'forwarded' against me by defendant Simone
to certain so-called "proper authorities" was not strictly broadcast,
as such, I submit that it still warrants investigation by the FCC
under this rule as a likely hoax. I suggest that this hoax was
knowingly directed against me (a member of the general public
audience) and was not disclaimed by the 77 WABC defendants for the
express purpose of deceiving and intimidating me.
In conclusion, I ask the FCC to add the present letter and
attachments to my prior FCC complaint materials dated April 20, 2004
which should be on file with the FCC. I look forward to hearing from
the FCC soon. I hope that you will act professionally and accord my
overall FCC complaint a full FCC investigation and prosecution.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
.
On Nov 15, 3:31 pm, "Chris Jenkins" <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Oh yeah. Those are some high standards of communication you have there.
>
> > > > NOT CONSIGNED FOR BROADCAST OR TRANSMISSION either on the radio or on
> > > > the television. It is my legal contention that the FCC lacks 'subject
> > > > matter jurisdiction'
> > > > over these NON-BROADCAST private e-mails and private U.S. Postal
> > > > correspondence.
> > > > 3) I ask the FCC to speak to the issues of False Personation or
> > > > Misrepresentations
> > > > of Fact. I ask the FCC to inform 77 WABC that their private company
> > > > has no authority
> > > > derived from the FCC to threaten presumed legal action against
>
Georges Metanomski
--- Chris Jenkins <digitalp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Lying Zionist Racist Jew Cocksucker"
>
> Oh yeah. Those are some high standards of
> communication you have there.
=========================
G:
For my part I banned him from my Cyberspace and dump
his posts unopened to trash where they belong.
Georges.
=========================
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And I haven't ignored your or Jon's posts, I just haven't had a second yet to give them the time they deserve.
nominal9
Did you catch it, above????
You made my Nominal9 Censorship Hall Af Shame, yourself..... as the
self admitting, Spittin' Zionist Racist Jew..... let me reproduce that
"enlistment" for you again, here below....
For your own part, Ah well, Chris, I gave you a fair chance, Chris,
you made your choice. If you ever change your mind...... you will have
to muster the courage and the "integrity" to ask my pardonn for being
an Idiot.... at the least.
nominal9
Hello Georges...
I sort of thought that you would be the one to try to Censor Me
Out.... After all, you are a self-admitted Spittin" (Zionist Racist?)
Jew.
As to your claim that my "criticisms" against the "influence" upon
the
U.S. and its politics maintained by Israel and the Israeli Lobby....
not to mention of Zionist Racist Jews.... are not "founded", below is
Ronal Reagan Government.... in some minor capacities that I really
can't recall off the cuff.... and like you, Georges, an ardent
Zionist
Racist Jew....But to the point.... notice myt use of "facts" and
money
numbers to back uo my assertions of "favor" and resulting influence
that Israel has benn able to obtain vis a vis the United States. I
disagree with your self-serving propagandist assertion Georges.... My
"criticisms" agains the Israeli Lobby, et al are all factual and well
founded.... Rather, it is you and the rest of the Zionistr Racist
Proipaganda Machine that aleways seek to LIE and DENY all the goes
counter to your Zioinist Racist aims....
Enjoy the old "documented" posting, below..... and, by the way
Georges.... given your own admitted attempt to get me Censored,
and with Feces (Shit) for brains. Georges..."
nominal9
>
> > "Lying Zionist Racist Jew Cocksucker"
>
> > Oh yeah. Those are some high standards of
> > communication you have there.
>
> =========================
> G:
> For my part I banned him from my Cyberspace and dump
> his posts unopened to trash where they belong.
> Georges.
> =========================
>
bookworm
a supposedly intelligent adult.
If they were not full of such hatred and anger, your postings would be
merely ridiculous.
On 16 Nov, 18:23, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The same old stuff.
nominal9
I find that, to date, uyou have made a lot of "criticisms"... but have
not contributed any original thought or opinion of your own..... Do
you have a stance on "grand epistemology".... would you say that,
broadly, you fall within the Idealist, Realist, Phenomenologist or
Nominalist camp? Can you refer to any philosophers or thinkers, at
all, who either wholy or in part you find have something within them
(their thought) that you agree with? Or can you rather express your
own view of "epistemology" in your own terms......? Yoiu said that
your background is as an academic librarian... Actually, in order to
be a competent librarian.... all you really have to know is how to
catalogue and place books on shelves according to the Dewey Decimal
system (or something like it...... I think I can handle the alpha-
numerical ordering alright.... but I may get bored of repetetively
doing just that same thing, over and over again.... I am taking a
"dig" at you, bookworm. I think I am due one, in recompense, for your
own constant, baseless ankle-biting.... So, what do you "know"?... As
to my own "truck" with the people mentioned here-in.... the Nominal9
Censorship Hall of Shame.... I do not like "censorship"... or
"stupidity", which I believe is what all of the people mentioned
are.... "stupid". I make a distinction between Ignorance ond
Stupidity.... Ignorance is normal and can be "cured".... the
ubiquitous "one" just "learns" the truth or the fact of the matters
and goes on from there... the better for the experience or the
instruction.... Stupidity is when the ubiquitous "one" either doesn' t
want to "learn" or purposely disregards the truth or facts that he/
she has been apprised of.....Don't be stubborn, bookworm.... let me
hear something "substantive" from your part to add to the
discussion.... otherwise, please stop wasting my time. By the way, I
really don't like my tone or style of speech here... it is like
wearing a three piece go to church suit and tie..... so, yet me speak
more casually, as is my preference.... Get off your ass and do some
work.....
nominal9
nominal9
bookworm
On 19 Nov, 21:23, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>A lot of stuff in "" and ...
On reflection, I realize that I have been indulging in the modern day
equivalent of a visit to Bedlam
http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/exhibits/quest/images/bedlam.jpg
This is no longer acceptable, so I will take my leave.
bookworm
subject. Your description of the work of a librarian leaves out a
great deal. The only reason I joined this group was because I read
some messages you posted in various Compuserve forums before being
locked out. I see that you haven't changed and that there is no chance
of this ever happening. You appear to have an audience here and a
group that is willing to tolerate your appalling behaviour. I will
leave you to it.
> Blah, blah, blah.
nominal9
I hope I catch you before you leave....I had not recognized your
screen-name, at least not consciously. Now I remember you from the
compuserve Books and Writers (?) forum. I am glad to hear from you
again and I am also glad to see that you had some interest ( in a good
sense) to see what and how I was doing.
Let me say, in candor, I would not mind at all if you decided to
frequent this site and exchanged some thoughts and /or opinions with
me. Also, if you look around, I believe you will see that the other
posters hereabouts are not slouches.... they are all quite interesting
people in their own rights. And, I would sugggest that the "welcome"
here is more gracoius than the one that most posters get on the said
Books Board....
As you can see above in this "Circle" thread, Alex and David both
made my Censorship Hall of Shame list.... I sometimes wonder if they
know.... probably. I also, now that you have refreshed my recall,
wonder about and "miss" the two ladies... the writers of mystery and
of scottish sci-fi.... I hope they are well. The sci-fi lady was a bit
stand- offish and seemed to give off an air of condescension in my
regard ( I think it was just an act.... to mask an insecurity at
perhaps being outdone by me... somehow). But the mystery lady was
friendly, sharp as a tack and quite down to earth.... I think that she
did her "research" and may have even gone and read some of my
copyrighted methodological "stuff"..... just as long as she gives
attribution and doesn't plagiarize.... she is welcome to whatever she
is capable of using.... in a proper manner and to "good" ends..... But
then, maybe I presume too much. Anyway, bookworm.... I think that
there may be opportunity for you to share opinions, here .... But if
your interest is solely in the "company you keep" and like it at
Compuserve, well all the best.... Maybe you can be both places.
nominal9