For LCC et Al
Georges Metanomski
of interesting, but often marginal details, which,
if all answered would diverge into several books.
I'll tackle here a few IMO pertinent points, trying
to make our exchanges converge.
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EDUCATION AND CONDITIONING.
You said: "apparently due to early training, my mind
functions differently from yours".
True. As you can see in "MY UNIVERSITIES"
http://findgeorges.com/CORE/1_MY_UNIVERSITIES/my_universities_1_context.html
and
http://findgeorges.com/CORE/1_MY_UNIVERSITIES/my_universities_2_hideout_briefings.html
I never went to any school and my education boils down to
briefings by people I met in the hideouts of the Polish
resistance.
Yet, they were good enough for Infeld to accept me to
his branch of Einstein Relativity research team.
Actually, he told me that I have better chances to
get creative than the rest, all PHD's, who "will hardly
ever forget the bullshit that had been dumped on them".
And the more efficient the education, the stronger
the conditioning preventing one from thinking by himself.
His judgment proved close to the mark and I was always
rather creative. A few examples:
-Correction of Einstein's quick and dirty derivation
of E=MC2
http://findgeorges.com/CORE/F_SPECIAL_RELATIVITY/f5_emc2.html
-Conception of locality and causality
http://findgeorges.com/CORE/D_RATIONAL_VIEW/d1_causality_and_implication.html
-Original, IMO unique rigorous logic, which I programmed
first on Univac and which was used on many applications,
starting with the Gemini project - sending the man to
the moon. Simple tutorial example in
http://findgeorges.com/CORE/D_RATIONAL_VIEW/d3_ern_logic.html
Einstein would have never been accepted to your, doubtless
exceptionally efficient, AT education. He had a low IQ,
was slow on the uptake and was considered by Lorentz as
his worst student, who put 2 years more than average to
get the gist of tensors. And till the rest of his life
Lorentz stayed insulted by "this Einstein's theory"
- he never said "Relativity" - with which the dunce had
dared to ruin his own dear Aether. And yet, Lorentz was
one of the most brilliant physicist of his time, certainly
more brilliant than Einstein. Thus, "brilliant" does not
always mean "right".
Just a digression: did your AT training explain why cars
are steered in the front, but planes and boats in the rear?
Please, in all decency, try to answer. The principle behind
it is fundamental for physics and cybernetics.
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AWARENESS.
You refuted my "When I perceive a tree I'm not aware of
being aware of perceiving a tree, but I'm aware of "tree",
so that the only way of expressing Awareness would be "Tree"."
saying:
"Hmm, apparently due to early training, my mind functions differently
from yours. In the third grade AT (Academically Talented**) program, I
was taught to think in multitrack mode, with recursion. Not only do I
see a tree, I am aware of the process of observing the tree..."
Indeed, you "are aware" of, but you don't PERCEIVE your
"being aware". The percept "tree" has shape, colors and
fabric and you are aware of perceiving them. But you don't
PERCEIVE your "being aware", unless you can tell its shape,
color and fabric.
By taking an illustration, you dodged the axioms it illustrates,
to wit,
FUNDAMENTAL EQUIVALENCE PRINCIPLE:
INTUITIVE(CONTINUOUS) ASPECT OF TIME
IS EQUIVALENT WITH AWARENESS.
and
POSTULATE OF RELATIVITY
ALL EVENTS OF HUMAN UNIVERSE ARE MUTUALLY RELATIVE
AND FOUNDED IN THE ABSOLUTE CONTINUOUS AWARENESS
And the corollary 1:
THE POLARITY CONTINUUM/DISCRETENESS IS THE
BASIC STRUCTURE OF ALL HUMAN EXPERIENCES
WITH THE FOUNDATIONAL PREPONDERANCE OF THE
CONTINUOUS ASPECT INTUITED AS AWARENESS
Now, refutal of an axiomatic theory does not
work by just disliking or disagreeing with the
axioms, but by falsifying them either deductively,
pointing to logical flows in founding the theory,
or inductively, by falsifying their factual
predictions.
Now, these axioms are deemed to found the current
physics. To falsify them factually you would have
to falsify the Relativity and the Quantum Physics.
To falsify them deductively you must show flaws
in "NATURAL MODEL"
http://findgeorges.com/CORE/B_NATURAL_VIEW/b1_natural_model.html
Yet, before refuting, it would perhaps be interesting
to consider and to discuss the reality in the new
light Einstein's ontology casts on it.
Georges.
LCC
On Dec 19, 1:50 pm, Georges Metanomski <zg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Our short exchange produced several long posts full
> of interesting, but often marginal details, which,
> if all answered would diverge into several books.
>
> I'll tackle here a few IMO pertinent points, trying
> to make our exchanges converge.
> ================
> EDUCATION AND CONDITIONING.
> You said: "apparently due to early training, my mind
> functions differently from yours".
> andhttp://findgeorges.com/CORE/1_MY_UNIVERSITIES/my_universities_2_hideo...
> briefings by people I met in the hideouts of the Polish
> resistance.
> Yet, they were good enough for Infeld to accept me to
> his branch of Einstein Relativity research team.
> Actually, he told me that I have better chances to
> get creative than the rest, all PHD's, who "will hardly
> ever forget the bullshit that had been dumped on them".
> And the more efficient the education, the stronger
> the conditioning preventing one from thinking by himself.
> His judgment proved close to the mark and I was always
> rather creative. A few examples:
> -Correction of Einstein's quick and dirty derivation
> -Conception of locality and causalityhttp://findgeorges.com/CORE/D_RATIONAL_VIEW/d1_causality_and_implicat...
> first on Univac and which was used on many applications,
> starting with the Gemini project - sending the man to
offhand response to your observations. Although it may seem peculiar,
believe me when I say that my childhood was not the bowl of cherries
which you seem to imagine. For one thing my parents were abusive
religious fanatics, whose religion I found extremely unpalatable,
being drenched in the glorification of bloody suffering. For another I
was ostracized in every social situation which I ever encountered up
to my entry in college after being discharged from the USAF after 10
months 21 days for "inability to cope with a regimented lifestyle",
"lack of respect for all authority and/or authority figures", and
being "too damned smart to trust". The only reason why I even made it
out of basic training was that I scored 93 on the EDPT test (mean 20
std dev 14) and was recognized as just the sort of whiz kid,
presumably malleable, who could solve a couple of problems at SACHQ
command post. Once those problems were solved, I was ejected like a
used piece of tissue paper. In college, being the curve breaker in
almost all of my courses, I was loathed. Upon graduation, I was
mercilessly exploited by every employer, being expected to work
uncompensated overtime, solve problems normally assigned to teams of
regular programmers, and once again, ostracized for being "pretty damn
strange". With ulcerative colitis, high blood pressure, high
cholesterol, asthma, gross obesity, severe back pain from being hit by
a car in 76, severe tooth pain from lack of adequate dental care
programs, chronic money problems from trying to support less fortunate
members of my family (which to this day is lower class though some try
to pretend they have attained middle class wealth), I finally decided
to get out of the rat race in 1990. The decision was apparently mutual
because the rat race in the form of IBM fired me from my (as it turned
out) final employment due to "excessive absenteeism", after which I
was unable to get anything more than 5 minute phone interviews to
determine whether I would work for slave wages again. In 1997 I went
"crazy" to get a VA mental disability pension, which pays the
equivalent of a minimum wage job, with no work required beyond taking
drugs designed to keep me harmless...
So I spend my time playing computer strategy games, occasionally
venturing out into the internet to see whether there is anything
interesting happening. Sometimes a subject piques my interest enough
to join a newsgroup and contribute (google my name plus "Merry
Christmas" in sci.crypt). Occasionally I go on a tear and have a bit
of trollish fun saying boo to see if there is anyone unintimidated by
my postings. It looks like you are definitely not intimidated, being
rather a wild card yourself...
So far as why a car is steered in front but a boat is steered in back,
I did indeed learn that as early as my first toy wagon. Schools do not
concern themselves much with such things, being designed with other
goals as the ultimate driving forces, among which are definitely
discipline and herd mentality. I am a wild cat, or as Harry Harrison
puts it "Stainless Steel Rat", certainly not a line puller of bolt
toter. For me work has always been about how much money I could get in
exchange, because I certainly never got my four basic requirements of
"interesting work, reasonable compensation, a comfortable office, and
no hassle".
You really like Einstein don't you? I don't because I prefer a reality
in which we can eventually cheat our way past relativity, see "Heim
Theory". Although I am unable to cope with higher dimensional
geometry, having mastered only linear algebra and transforms, I am
delighted by anyone who is able to formulate from basic principles
such a colossal structure of equations, without (so far as I know at a
glance) reference to Calculus. Perhaps someday I will grow bored with
strategy gaming and give it a whirl...
"Now, refutal of an axiomatic theory does not work by just disliking
or disagreeing with the axioms, but by falsifying them either
deductively, pointing to logical flows in founding the theory, or
inductively, by falsifying their factual predictions."
be reality, I refuse to fall into the trap of spending time to either
support or refute it. If I am forced by circumstances to do so anyway,
then rather than testing the set of conditions resulting as a
consequence of the Axiomatic propositions, I search for an alternative
set of Axioms which would satisfy the same set of conditions...
I am quite rusty in mental exercises of that nature as you can
probably tell, but hope to sharpen my wits here through reasoned
discourse. Under no circumstances will I engage in a flame war here
with you or anyone else. I also promise not to mock, lampoon,
ridicule, or engage in knowing deception here. Please consider that
the possibility always exists for misunderstandings caused by
different mental processes, in particular due to training, native
tongue, and habitual intellectual exercise. We might follow different
paths to reach the same conclusion, follow different evidence trails
to reach different conclusions, or in my case wander through "a maze
of twisty passages, all alike" D:)
Lonnie Courtney Clay
LCC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F31P0_kgEic
- certainly not a line puller or bale toter -
references the song phase "pull that line, tote that bale"
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einseele
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LCC
(in return) I will respect you as well. Must I always behave with
decorum and restraint? You are bound to be disappointed with the
results if such is the case. There might even be D:) *** consequences
***! I doubt that you would like the results in such a case. I
pointed out that the USAF psychologist in 1974 officially,
authoritatively, and perhaps irrevocably came to the conclusion that I
had "a total lack of respect for authority and / or authority
figures", and that I was "unable to adapt to a regimented lifestyle".
Furthermore the VA psychologists chose to compound the initial error
with further offhand evaluations regarding the problems which I
"suffer".
As ye sow, so shall ye reap.
Perhaps you should try saying that I deserve good health, good cheer,
and a sound mine in a sound body, along with "Merry Christmas" and a
"Happy New Year".
I choose what I shall believe, subject to certain constraints which
are none of YOUR business.
Lonnie Courtney Clay
einseele
I wish you health and a happy new year, and you are right about
manners.
Even so, the "too much Is"'s continues to be true, forgive the "pills"
part.
cheers
Carlos
LCC
into YouTube a moment ago. I feel good!
Perhaps there IS intelligent life here after ALL! Furthermore, people
might actually be ABLE to do it as well as I can, provided they are
EXTREMELY careful at all points in time! Furthermore, with careful and
deliberative practice, a few outstanding and nearly mythical
individuals might even surpass what I have been doing all along!
Merry Christmas! Happy New Year!
Lonnie Courtney Clay
LCC
Ignore the text at the link above except for what is in red at the top
of the page. I have been unemployed since 1990, with long periods of
unemployment during the time from 1979 to 1990. If you would really
prefer that I continue as I have been doing, then I suppose that I
shall REMAIN unemployed...
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Georges Metanomski
Hi Lonnie,
Sorry for belated answer, but I too had some trouble. You don't
have the monopoly. And I'm too sorry for words, learning about yours.
BTW, George and Lonnie sounds a bit like "Of Mice and Men", does it
not?
I'll comment here a few assertions picked up from your different
posts. If you feel like discussing it, welcome, but, please, one at
a time. Next items will come in subsequent posts.
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L:
Georges, please do not be angry with me ...
G:
Don't worry, it can't happen. I have a deep sympathy for you and
if you disagree with me, it just makes things more spicy.
As the French say, "vive la difference".
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L:
So far as why a car is steered in front but a boat is steered
in back, I did indeed learn that as early as my first toy wagon.
Schools do not concern themselves much with such things, ...
G:
And that's the trouble. They teach you a lot of abstractions and
completely neglect the intuitive grasp of the concurrent knowledge.
I did not ask if you know THAT cars are steered in the front, as
everybody knows it. I asked WHY cars in front and boats in rear,
which hardly anybody knows, except professionals, and which everybody
should know, as it embodies, as I said, a fundamental and yet
childishly simple principle of physics and cybernetics.
I designed, among others, this "steering puzzle" on request of Infeld
and Einstein, who were both worried about the established education.
Infeld's noting was that a Harvard PHD failing to answer it does not
deserve a driving license, let alone the high school certificate
and forget the PHD.
Out of a poll of 400 PHDs TWO good answers, including one of my
daughter, PHD in astrophysics, +10 handicapped as I introduced her
to physics.
I did some car mountain racing. At each arrival at a course, a band
of teenagers jumped on you, asked what was your previous and proposed
to help softening your front stabilizers, hardening the rear and
making your gearbox shorter, as the course was less open. In exchange
of being taken the on trial runs and taught the four wheel drift
(which you doubtless master).
They were poor youngsters with just two or three elementary classes.
And yet, all gave the right answer, wondering why I can ask such
idiotically simple question. With funny formulations, having nothing
to do with highbrow academic vocabulary, but nevertheless expressing
the right gist.
Concrete before abstract, or you have nothing to abstract from.
Years afterwards I helped to implement it in Israeli kibutz schools.
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L:
You really like Einstein don't you? I don't because I prefer a reality
in which we can eventually cheat our way past relativity, see "Heim
Theory".
G:
I don't know if I like Einstein. What I know is that I find his
approach to research more efficient than anybody else's in history
and that I find his Relativity and the co-created by him Quantum
Physics the cutting edge of the concurrent knowledge.
As for Heim Theory, there must be a misunderstanding. It does not
"cheat its way past relativity", but accepting the 4 dimensional
curved hypersurface of the General Relativity goes beyond it,
into the 10 dimensional SPACE in which it is embedded, with
a complexity which, with all my respect, you certainly cannot
grasp.
To get what I mean, have a look at the "DARK AND LUMINOUS MATTER"
http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/SECOND_ENLIGHTENMENT/0h_dark_matter.html
where I propose, in simple intuitive terms, to associate the Dark
Matter with the 10 dimensional SPACE embedding the 4d curved
hypersurface of the General Relativity.
More items in next post.
Georges.
awori achoka
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LCC
Here is a prime example of mis-tranlation.
THOU - shalt have : "NO" - [THE] Other GOD - BE! FOR {ME};...
Lonnie Courtney Clay