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Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: Cookies
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:49:42 -0500
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ENTS and Cookies,
The section of basswood was about 30" in diameter and 2 to 3 inches think. =
It could have been thinner but it is hard to make the saw cut thin section=
s without the risk of making a wedge rather than a cookie for the inexperie=
nced. The cookie after drying weighted 70 pounds, and may have been closer=
to 100# in the field. A backpack for the cookie would not have helped. S=
omething like a heavy duty luggage cart with bigger wheels would have worke=
d better. You need bigger wheels over rougher terrain. I had a homemade h=
and truck like device my dad had made for hauling a deer out of the woods w=
hen hunting that would likely have worked ok. I screwed -up.
I wanted an entire cookie because you can't really tell how many rings are =
visible in what section of the cookie. I don't think that would have been =
a problem with a wedge, because for the most part there aren't partial ring=
s, more commonly there are extra ones or missing ones. =20
http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/penna/basswood/great_basswood_a=
dventure.htm
The best advice it to be sure to get a complete section from the sample eve=
n if that means collecting a larger slice, and bring a hand truck or cart w=
ith big wheels to help haul it out. =20
I have a battery powered circular saw. I have been wondering if on a stump=
surface or on a cut log surface, if could set it to cut at an angle and cu=
t out a triangle shaped wedge in two intersecting passes across the surface=
, being sure to include the center of the tree? Has anyone tried this?
Ed Frank
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. =20
It is the source of all true art and all science." - Albert Einstein
----- Original Message -----=20
From: mdvaden=20
To: ENTSTrees=20
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: [ENTS] Re: Cookies
How big of cookies do you take?
Or would "pie" slices be less weight to deal with if the section with
the most rings was taken?
Might not work every time, but I'd carry in a 3/16" or so piece of
paneling or plywood. The super thin stuff that's used for backs of
book cases and stuff.
Anyhow, that would allow a cookie to be cut very thin, maybe less than
an inch. By bringing a few small screws or nails and a teensy hammer,
the cookie could be fastened to the lightweight panel to keep the
cookie from shattering. These panels are remarkably light. I just got
some for the cargo trailer I'm converting for camping and hiking use.
Sounds like a cross-cut saw could be lighter to haul in than a
comparable length chainsaw. If not far, I'd go with a nicely sharpened
chainsaw. If the RPMs are wound-up high, and the cut is done about 4
times slower than for cutting firewood, the cut can be amazingly
clean.
But either way sounds great - power or hand.
The backpack idea sounded grand.
MDV
Oregon
On Dec 17, 4:51 am, doug bidlack <dougbidl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ed,
>
> thanks. I thought the smoother surface might be a good reason for using=
a cross-cut saw...not to mention that you can cut some fat logs.
>
> I'm not looking forward to lugging these out of the woods. I thought I =
might try strapping them to a backpack depending on their weight. One at a =
time.
>
> Doug
>
> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Edward Frank <edfr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > From: Edward Frank <edfr...@comcast.net>
> > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Cookies
> > To: entstrees@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:17 PM
> > Doug,
>
> > Cross-cut saws leave a smoother surface, but if you sand it
> > well a chainsaw works fine. It was a fat basswood and while
> > I didn't have a chainsaw big enough, Dale had a
> > cross-cut we could use. The cookies are much much heavier
> > than you would think once you get them cut. You would not
> > need a complete cookie so long as you reach the center if
> > you have any problems.
>
> > Ed
>
> > "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the
> > mysterious.=20
> > It is the source of all true art and all science." -
> > Albert Einstein
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<DIV>ENTS and Cookies,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The section of basswood was about 30" in diameter and 2 to 3 inches=20
think. It could have been thinner but it is hard to make the saw cut =
thin=20
sections without the risk of making a wedge rather than a cookie for the=20
inexperienced. The cookie after drying weighted 70 pounds, and may ha=
ve=20
been closer to 100# in the field. A backpack for the cookie would not=
have=20
helped. Something like a heavy duty luggage cart with bigger wheels w=
ould=20
have worked better. You need bigger wheels over rougher terrain. =
; I=20
had a homemade hand truck like device my dad had made for hauling a deer ou=
t of=20
the woods when hunting that would likely have worked ok. I screwed=20
-up.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I wanted an entire cookie because you can't really tell how many rings=
are=20
visible in what section of the cookie. I don't think that would have =
been=20
a problem with a wedge, because for the most part there aren't partial ring=
s,=20
more commonly there are extra ones or missing ones. </DIV>
<DIV><A=20
href=3D"http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/penna/basswood/great_ba=
sswood_adventure.htm">http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/penna/bas=
swood/great_basswood_adventure.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The best advice it to be sure to get a complete section from the sampl=
e=20
even if that means collecting a larger slice, and bring a hand truck or car=
t=20
with big wheels to help haul it out. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have a battery powered circular saw. I have been wondering if =
on a=20
stump surface or on a cut log surface, if could set it to cut at an an=
gle=20
and cut out a triangle shaped wedge in two intersecting passes across =
the=20
surface, being sure to include the center of the tree? Has anyone tri=
ed=20
this?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed Frank</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"The most beautiful thing we can experienc=
e is the=20
mysterious. <BR>It is the source of all true art and all science." -=
=20
Albert Einstein</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>Fro=
m:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmdva...@gmail.com href=3D"mailto:mdva...@gmail.com">mdvaden</A=
> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dentstrees@googlegro=
ups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:entstrees@googlegroups.com">ENTSTrees</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 19, 2008 2:=
30=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [ENTS] Re: Cookies</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>How big of cookies do you take?<BR><BR>Or would "pie"=
=20
slices be less weight to deal with if the section with<BR>the most rings =
was=20
taken?<BR><BR>Might not work every time, but I'd carry in a 3/16" or so p=
iece=20
of<BR>paneling or plywood. The super thin stuff that's used for backs=20
of<BR>book cases and stuff.<BR><BR>Anyhow, that would allow a cookie to b=
e cut=20
very thin, maybe less than<BR>an inch. By bringing a few small screws or =
nails=20
and a teensy hammer,<BR>the cookie could be fastened to the lightweight p=
anel=20
to keep the<BR>cookie from shattering. These panels are remarkably light.=
I=20
just got<BR>some for the cargo trailer I'm converting for camping and hik=
ing=20
use.<BR><BR>Sounds like a cross-cut saw could be lighter to haul in than=
=20
a<BR>comparable length chainsaw. If not far, I'd go with a nicely=20
sharpened<BR>chainsaw. If the RPMs are wound-up high, and the cut is done=
=20
about 4<BR>times slower than for cutting firewood, the cut can be=20
amazingly<BR>clean.<BR><BR>But either way sounds great - power or=20
hand.<BR><BR>The backpack idea sounded grand.<BR><BR>MDV<BR>Oregon<BR><BR=
>On=20
Dec 17, 4:51 am, doug bidlack <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dougbidl...@yahoo.com">dougbidl...@yahoo.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> Ed,<BR>><BR>> thanks. I thought the smoother surface=
=20
might be a good reason for using a cross-cut saw...not to mention that yo=
u can=20
cut some fat logs.<BR>><BR>> I'm not looking forward to lugging the=
se=20
out of the woods. I thought I might try strapping them to a backpack depe=
nding=20
on their weight. One at a time.<BR>><BR>> Doug<BR>><BR>> --- =
On=20
Tue, 12/16/08, Edward Frank <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:edfr...@comcast.net">edfr...@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > From: Edward Frank <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:edfr...@comcast.net">edfr...@comcast.net</A>><BR>> &=
gt;=20
Subject: [ENTS] Re: Cookies<BR>> > To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:entstrees@googlegroups.com">entstrees@googlegroups.com</A>=
<BR>>=20
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:17 PM<BR>> >=20
Doug,<BR>><BR>> > Cross-cut saws leave a smoother surface, but i=
f you=20
sand it<BR>> > well a chainsaw works fine. It was a fat basswood an=
d=20
while<BR>> > I didn't have a chainsaw big enough, Dale had a<BR>>=
;=20
> cross-cut we could use. The cookies are much much heavier<BR>> &g=
t;=20
than you would think once you get them cut. You would not<BR>> > ne=
ed a=20
complete cookie so long as you reach the center if<BR>> > you have =
any=20
problems.<BR>><BR>> > Ed<BR>><BR>> > "The most beautifu=
l=20
thing we can experience is the<BR>> > mysterious. <BR>> > It =
is=20
the source of all true art and all science." -<BR>> > Albert=20
Einstein<BR>>=20
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