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dave andrews  
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 More options Mar 31 2011, 11:10 am
From: dave andrews <tyningr...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:10:33 +0200
Local: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 11:10 am
Subject: IN COLOUR - Sankey diagram for European energy usage (wastage)

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*From:* bloem.voss [mailto:@.ec.europa.eu]

Hi,

you are lucky that I have it with me here in Brussels
Find attached two *.png
One all energy, the other one on RE for buildings.
When and if I find time I will make one with more recent data.

Best regards,
Herman

On 03/31/11, *"ANDREWS David *

Gents – can you advise where I can get hold of a coloured version of this
chart, and the source of the data?

thanks

Dave A

 <david.andr...@ec.europa.eu>

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Nicholas Neal  
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 More options Mar 31 2011, 12:09 pm
From: "Nicholas Neal" <nicknealuse...@googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:09:43 -0500
Local: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 12:09 pm
Subject: RE: IN COLOUR - Sankey diagram for European energy usage (wastage)

It would be interesting (although possible impractical) to try and reproduce
the sankey diagram but with an additional step named "useful energy" or
similar placed after the "used energy", taking into account the potential
for energy reduction with energy efficiency measures at the user end and
modal change (e.g. bike/train rather than car) - this would reveal a whole
other level of waste energy - has anybody in the group attempted to do this?

Nick N

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Subject: IN COLOUR - Sankey diagram for European energy usage (wastage)

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From: bloem.voss [mailto:@.ec.europa.eu]

Hi,

you are lucky that I have it with me here in Brussels
Find attached two *.png
One all energy, the other one on RE for buildings.
When and if I find time I will make one with more recent data.

Best regards,

Herman

On 03/31/11, "ANDREWS David

Gents - can you advise where I can get hold of a coloured version of this
chart, and the source of the data?

thanks

Dave A

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Andrew Smith  
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 More options Mar 31 2011, 12:22 pm
From: Andrew Smith <claver...@londonanalytics.info>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:22:21 +0100
Local: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: IN COLOUR - Sankey diagram for European energy usage (wastage)
On 31/03/2011 17:09, Nicholas Neal wrote:

> It would be interesting (although possible impractical) to try and
> reproduce the sankey diagram but with an additional step named useful
> energy or similar placed after the used energy , taking into account
> the potential for energy reduction with energy efficiency measures at
> the user end and modal change (e.g. bike/train rather than car) this
> would reveal a whole other level of waste energy has anybody in the
> group attempted to do this?

No, but as a crude rule-of-thumb, I'd go for an 80-50-20 : 80%
efficiency savings theoretically possible; 50% technically possible now;
20% with a positive NPV now.

i.e. the underlying energy service demand is about 20% of current energy
demand - 80% savings are theoretically possible.

Technically we could halve our current energy demand without changing
energy service demand - 50% savings are technically possible.

And 20% energy efficiency is sitting there waiting to happen for free
(or cheaper), like fivers on the pavement; except that there are hidden
costs, transactional costs, satisficing behaviour, market inertia, etc.
- which is why they aren't happening currently.

Regards,
Andrew


 
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Mark Barrett UCL  
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 More options Mar 31 2011, 1:41 pm
From: "Mark Barrett UCL" <mark.barr...@ucl.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:41:32 +0100
Local: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 1:41 pm
Subject: RE: IN COLOUR - Sankey diagram for European energy usage (wastage)

Dear Nick

http://www.bartlett.ucl.ac.uk/markbarrett/Teaching/SEE_7%20Electricit...
ett%20120210.pptx  

Slide 112-14 show animated Sankey diagram including 'useful' energy after
final conversion, though useful is a slippery concept.

Such diagrams are generated automatically from SEEScen model used for this
study of EU energy: http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/13088/1/13088.pdf

Unfortunately I did not produce Sankeys for most countries, nor for the EU
as a whole.

Best wishes

Mark

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Sent: 31 March 2011 17:10
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Subject: RE: IN COLOUR - Sankey diagram for European energy usage (wastage)

It would be interesting (although possible impractical) to try and reproduce
the sankey diagram but with an additional step named "useful energy" or
similar placed after the "used energy", taking into account the potential
for energy reduction with energy efficiency measures at the user end and
modal change (e.g. bike/train rather than car) - this would reveal a whole
other level of waste energy - has anybody in the group attempted to do this?

Nick N

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Sent: 31 March 2011 10:11
To: Claverton AB MAIN GROUP
Subject: IN COLOUR - Sankey diagram for European energy usage (wastage)

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From: bloem.voss [mailto:@.ec.europa.eu]

Hi,

you are lucky that I have it with me here in Brussels
Find attached two *.png
One all energy, the other one on RE for buildings.
When and if I find time I will make one with more recent data.

Best regards,

Herman

On 03/31/11, "ANDREWS David

Gents - can you advise where I can get hold of a coloured version of this
chart, and the source of the data?

thanks

Dave A

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