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Happy New Year clip

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It’s a gift from Abba, all for free! Enjoy!
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Happy New Year

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Happy New Year! A little gift:
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Two blog posts on Emoji for Unicode

katmo...@gmail.com (katmomoi) — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:27:27 UT

We have two blog posts about Emoji. The first one published on March
17 appeared as a Google Japan blog:

[link] (絵文字の Unicode 符号
化に関するアップデート)

The 2nd one was just published today in English at:

[link]

Re: Flagoids: specific language UI buttons

michael.ever...@gmail.com (Michael Everson) — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:58:52 UT

And then you will have a request for "GA".
And then there is Wikimedia and their use of ISO 639.
Seems to me these 10 characters are clearly flags, and flags are logos.

Re: Flagoids: specific language UI buttons

chris.f...@gmail.com (Christopher Fynn) — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:29:38 UT

Nice try but, even though they are circular, it is still clear that
these things you call "flagoids" represent emblems of individual
countries and are directly derived from national flags.
I have seen instances where a graphic made up of a diagonal half US
and diagonal half UK flag for "English" ~ similarly one might have a

Re: Flagoids: specific language UI buttons

k...@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:47:38 UT

O.k., I just think y'all are mixing up what may well have
been majority opinion last August during the symbols subcommittee
discussion, with "UTC 2008-August guidance". That stuff never
got carried into the UTC proper, and there was no consensus
there. It would have been a whole lot more contentious if

Re: Flagoids: specific language UI buttons

mark.edward.da...@gmail.com (Mark Davis) — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:25:26 UT

Mine as well. That doesn't mean that we can't change it -- it's just that we
are reluctant to do so before the meeting instead of discussing it there and
deciding.

Mark

Re: Flagoids: specific language UI buttons

markus....@gmail.com (Markus Scherer) — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:21:07 UT

I don't know why it didn't make it into the minutes, but I am pretty sure
that we had a firm outcome of that lengthy discussion. I wrote it in my
paper notes as such...
markus

Re: Flagoids: specific language UI buttons

k...@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:12:06 UT

Yeah, I noticed. That was part of the point. These are
flagoids, not flags, and their use is to represent languages
by *association* with flags, rather than to represent flags
per se. Symbols used that way don't *have* to be rectangular
with aspects matching actual flags, because they aren't
trying to represent the *flags*.

Re: Flagoids: specific language UI buttons

markus....@gmail.com (Markus Scherer) — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:44:49 UT

These are round instead rectangular, and their fly-over titles are language
names, but they are still easily recognizable as flags, which is why they
work as a UI (as far as flags work there at all). My guess is, the designer
wanted them to be more cute, rather than trying to avoid the use of flags in

Flagoids: specific language UI buttons

k...@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:37:00 UT

Here's a current exhibit of why our emoji "flags"
should not be considered symbols of flags.
[link]
Look down the righthand side of the page, to where
the "TRANSLATE" buttons are for 6 languages.
This is an example of changing localization practice,
where UI designers, bit by the perils of the practice

Re: Revised Comments on some emoji symbols e-000 ... e-521

markus....@gmail.com (Markus Scherer) — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:06:06 UT

Well, as I said, I tried to be conservative.
Ok, all good to know. I will submit an issue for allocating e-037 OPHIUCHUS
in the U+2Bxx block. This is what you are suggesting, right?
I would appreciate a list of other symbols that people think should go into
a BMP block (and which one).
e-044 just not to be listed under "nature", the symbol seems

Re: Revised Comments on some emoji symbols e-000 ... e-521

asm...@ix.netcom.com (Asmus Freytag) — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:42:38 UT

Markus,
this strikes me as a not very strong rationale. I think Karl's
assumption that the 2Bxx block is the extension of the 26xx block is
largely accurate (it was also conceived at one point to be the extension
of the 23xx block, the geometric shapes, the letterlikes, and the
arrows). Because of that, characters from the emoji proposal that are

Re: Revised Comments on some emoji symbols e-000 ... e-521

markus....@gmail.com (Markus Scherer) — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:35:56 UT

Sort of. The table shows two things: It shows a symbol that we are tracking,
with an ID, an existing or proposed-new code point, and
name/annotations/description etc. And it shows how this symbol maps to
symbols from cell phone carriers, with round-trip or fallback mappings. As
much as possible, the mappings between the symbols in our repertoire and the

Re: Comments on some emoji symbols e-000 ... e-521

markus....@gmail.com (Markus Scherer) — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:06:22 UT

He did not use these same words, but he explained in detail what I
summarized here.
If you (Markus) regard an exact descriptive naming of the symbols
No offense intended. I simply agree with Ken that taking every little
glyph/image difference as a reason for disunification, and extreme narrowing
of character usage by super-specific character naming, are not desirable.