> I have created a preliminary assignment of proposed code points for Emoji > symbols. If you are interested, please see my post to the emoji4unicode > group: Emoji symbols with proposed code point > assignments
Thanks, Marcus... this is now getting to actual reviewable status as a proposal for encoding. ;-)
> If you have feedback, please send it to that group, by emailing to > emoji4unicode@googlegroups.com
e-01B U+23E9 HOURGLASS WITH FLOWING SAND
That is an animation variant of the hourglass. I don't think it belongs in the 23XX block, but should stay with the 1F3XX additions.
(For a precendent not to keep with the generic symbol, compare U+2709 ENVELOPE versus e-52A, e-52B, which are marked up and/or animated envelope symbols.)
e-50B U+1F41E BLOOD TYPE A
This (and the 3 following) fit more naturally into the existing 1F1XX ARIB block of Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement, even though they have special meanings.
e-B7C U+1F447 LATIN CAPITAL LETTERS SYMBOL
This (and the 4 following) also fit more naturally into the 1F1XX Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement as a set.
e-B09 U+2795 BLACK QUESTION MARK
I question the treatment of this and e-B0A, e-B0B, but that is a separate issue. Just in terms of allocation, if these are proposed for the Dingbats block (which itself may be problematical), the better range is U+2753..U+2755, rather than U+2795..U+2797.
e-B51 U+2753 HEAVY PLUS SIGN
Move to U+270A
e-B52 U+2754 HEAVY MINUS SIGN
Fix glyph (showing as a solid black square now), and move to U+270B.
e-B54 U+2755 HEAVY DIVISION SIGN
Move to U+2700. (or some other spot, doesn't matter much)
e-B63 U+2B55 WHITE LARGE CIRCLE
This name and encoding is problematical. It will lead to confusion about the relationship between U+25EF LARGE CIRCLE and U+2B24 BLACK LARGE CIRCLE, which is the intended geometric pair for mathematical usage. As for the animated hour glass variant, this character should be renamed and moved out into the general emoji block at 1F3XX. I suggest LARGE CIRCLE VARIANT-1 and appropriate annotation as to the intent.
e-B73 U+2B56 WHITE LARGE DIAMOND
(and e-B74, e-B75) These have the same kind of problem as the circle. They should not be encoded as if they were part of the mathematical set of graded size geometrics, when their origin is with some colored emoji dingbats. Reconsider the names, glyphs, and unifications for this run, as otherwise, they have the potential to disrupt the intent of the mathematical characters.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Kenneth Whistler <k...@sybase.com> wrote:
> > If you have feedback, please send it to that group, by emailing to
> > emoji4unicode@googlegroups.com
Ah, look at who's cross-posting now! [?]
Moving the symbols list to bcc.
> That is an animation variant of the hourglass. I don't think
> it belongs in the 23XX block, but should stay with the 1F3XX
> additions.
> (For a precendent not to keep with the generic symbol, compare
> U+2709 ENVELOPE versus e-52A, e-52B, which are marked up and/or
> animated envelope symbols.)
> e-50B U+1F41E BLOOD TYPE A
> This (and the 3 following) fit more naturally into the existing
> 1F1XX ARIB block of Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement, even
> though they have special meanings.
> e-B7C U+1F447 LATIN CAPITAL LETTERS SYMBOL
> This (and the 4 following) also fit more naturally into the
> 1F1XX Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement as a set.
> e-B09 U+2795 BLACK QUESTION MARK
> I question the treatment of this and e-B0A, e-B0B, but that
> is a separate issue. Just in terms of allocation, if these
> are proposed for the Dingbats block (which itself may be
> problematical), the better range is U+2753..U+2755,
> rather than U+2795..U+2797.
> e-B51 U+2753 HEAVY PLUS SIGN
> Move to U+270A
> e-B52 U+2754 HEAVY MINUS SIGN
> Fix glyph (showing as a solid black square now), and
> move to U+270B.
> e-B54 U+2755 HEAVY DIVISION SIGN
> Move to U+2700. (or some other spot, doesn't matter much)
> e-B63 U+2B55 WHITE LARGE CIRCLE
> This name and encoding is problematical. It will lead to
> confusion about the relationship between U+25EF LARGE CIRCLE
> and U+2B24 BLACK LARGE CIRCLE, which is the intended
> geometric pair for mathematical usage. As for the
> animated hour glass variant, this character should be
> renamed and moved out into the general emoji block
> at 1F3XX. I suggest LARGE CIRCLE VARIANT-1 and appropriate
> annotation as to the intent.
> e-B73 U+2B56 WHITE LARGE DIAMOND
> (and e-B74, e-B75) These have the same kind of problem
> as the circle. They should not be encoded as if they
> were part of the mathematical set of graded size geometrics,
> when their origin is with some colored emoji dingbats.
> Reconsider the names, glyphs, and unifications for this
> run, as otherwise, they have the potential to disrupt
> the intent of the mathematical characters.
Hi Ken, I am trying to follow your allocation suggestions, but am running into conflicts.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Kenneth Whistler <k...@sybase.com> wrote: > e-B09 U+2795 BLACK QUESTION MARK
> I question the treatment of this and e-B0A, e-B0B, but that > is a separate issue. Just in terms of allocation, if these > are proposed for the Dingbats block (which itself may be > problematical), the better range is U+2753..U+2755, > rather than U+2795..U+2797.
U+2753..U+2755 are currently taken by the heavy operators which you mention below but whose moves conflict with yet other symbols.
e-B51 U+2753 HEAVY PLUS SIGN
> Move to U+270A
> e-B52 U+2754 HEAVY MINUS SIGN
> Fix glyph (showing as a solid black square now), and > move to U+270B.
I have the rock/paper hand symbols there (e-B93 & e-B95) which belong to the scissors hand symbol e-B94 which we unified with the existing U+270C.
e-B54 U+2755 HEAVY DIVISION SIGN
> Move to U+2700. (or some other spot, doesn't matter much)
This one I could use, but I would prefer to keep the three additional heavy-operator symbols together.
> I am trying to follow your allocation suggestions, but am running into > conflicts.
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Kenneth Whistler <k...@sybase.com> wrote:
> > e-B09 U+2795 BLACK QUESTION MARK
> > I question the treatment of this and e-B0A, e-B0B, but that > > is a separate issue. Just in terms of allocation, if these > > are proposed for the Dingbats block (which itself may be > > problematical), the better range is U+2753..U+2755, > > rather than U+2795..U+2797.
O.k. Well, once again, I question the appropriateness of sticking these in the Dingbats block, but if they go there, the better range is 2753..2755.
As a separate note, the "punctuation mark" dingbats in that vicinity in the Dingbats block are BLAH-DE-BLAH *ORNAMENT*, so if 3 more like things go in the Dingbats block, I suggest also updating their names accordingly, with "ORNAMENT" as part of the names, so that their General_Category as gc=So, rather than punctuation, is clear.
> U+2753..U+2755 are currently taken by the heavy operators which you mention > below but whose moves conflict with yet other symbols.
> e-B51 U+2753 HEAVY PLUS SIGN
> > Move to U+270A
> > e-B52 U+2754 HEAVY MINUS SIGN
> > Fix glyph (showing as a solid black square now), and > > move to U+270B.
> I have the rock/paper hand symbols there (e-B93 & e-B95) which belong to the > scissors hand symbol e-B94 which we unified with the existing U+270C.
O.k. I missed that you had used 270A/270B for rock/paper hand symbols.
That is a reasonable choice, if 270C is unified with the Emoji set scissors hand symbol. (Note, however, that in that case, the font for 270A/270B *must* be harmonized with the longstanding glyph design for 270C.)
> e-B54 U+2755 HEAVY DIVISION SIGN
> > Move to U+2700. (or some other spot, doesn't matter much)
> This one I could use, but I would prefer to keep the three additional > heavy-operator symbols together.
There are no operators in the Dingbats block. The "plus signs" are all actually identified as crosses. And the U+2715 MULTIPLICATION X isn't an operator, either -- it is just an arbitrary name for a "X" dingbat that looks like the multiplication X. The real operator is U+00D7, of course.
The range 2795..2797 could, of course, be used, but if the holes in the Dingbat block are to be filled with Dingbats from elsewhere, these are probably best saved for stuff like WingDing arrow additions.
And I don't think the heavy operators belong with any real math operators, either. I think your best option is to just keep them with the big collection of 1F3XX generic emoji symbols, without trying to treat them as part of the Dingbats collection.
