Wow, great information everyone! I've dabbled with global objectives
but don't consider myself an expert with them yet by any means. I will
definitely start experimenting, though. I don't suppose anyone has a
sample manifest I can look at where they've done something like this?
If not, no worries. I will press on!
GREAT thread and thanks again for all of the replies. It can be so
difficult to find answers to SCORM questions like this one. I tried
every google combo I could think of!
-Amanda
On Aug 30, 6:21 pm, "
eest...@gmail.com" <
eest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sweet, i'll go back and check that part of the spec. Thanks for all the info john.
>
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
> On Aug 30, 2010 5:55 PM, John Campbell &
lt;j...@alumni.rice.edu> wrote:
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> It's a new nav request like continue and choice. The syntax is exactly
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> like choice. The nice part of "jump" is that choice can be set to
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> "false" and jump still works.
>
> I'm not sure where in the books it's defined.
>
> jpc
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Estes Ethan &
lt;eest...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > John, I've been looking through the 4th edition material. Where is the jump
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> > feature you spoke of? Would that be in the cmi where the sco sets a value
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> > that the lms looks at when the sco rolls up or is that part of the seq&nav
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> > spec?
>
> > -EÆ
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> >
>
> >
>
> > On Aug 30, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Philip Hutchison wrote:
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> > This has been a very interesting conversation, and a great example of why so
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> > many people get frustrated with SCORM. It can be very confusing, even to
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> > people who work with it regularly. There are so many pieces of propellorhead
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> > esoteric knowledge that it's flat-out intimidating to most people. But we
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> > carry on. :)
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> >
>
> > John (and Ethan), thanks for sharing
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> >
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> > - philip
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Estes Ethan &
lt;eest...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>
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> >> Yeah I ran into that although our sequencing rules were pretty simple and
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> >> more or less linear. I just created globals for each to map out the flow.
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> >>
>
> >> FYI for everyone. I reached out to tim martin at rustici. scormcloud is
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> >> comformant to 4th edition but not certified. ADL has not opened up
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> >> certification so you can't look any products up at their site for that at
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> >> this time. So you need to talk with your LMS provider to find out their
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> >> status.
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> >>
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> >> I'm sure Skillsoft is almost ready with their implementation though ;)
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> >>
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> >> -EÆ
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 4:54 PM, John Campbell wrote:
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> >>
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> >> If you are using SCORM 2004 now, you may have this issue and don't
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> >> even realize it. If your TOC is open (active), and you let them click
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> >> on a cluster (group of lessons), all the statuses of the SCOS in that
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> >> cluster get reset. That's just how things work. It's not always
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> >> expected, though. The only way to make it somewhat reasonable is to
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> >> use globals to maintain "success_status".
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> >>
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> >> jpc
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> >>
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> >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:51 PM, John Campbell &
lt;j...@alumni.rice.edu>
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> >> wrote:
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> >> > The SCOs would show:
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> >> >
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> >> > completion = unknown
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> >> > satisfied = true
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> >> >
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> >> > But that is the nature if "retry" in SCORM 2004. If you do any level
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> >> > of remediation, that's what you get. At the cluster level, you can
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> >> > make the rollups set it to completed & passed.
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> >> >
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> >> > jpc
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> >> >
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> >> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Estes Ethan &
lt;eest...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> So in 3rd edition after a user was finished, the sco's themselves may
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> >> >> be showing unknown if you ran a report but the clusters those scos were in
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> >> >> were showing completed and the course overall displayed completed as well?
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> >> >>
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> >> >> I deal with certification and the lawyers get picky.
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> >> >>
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> >> >> -EÆ
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> >> >>
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> >> >>
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> >> >>
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> >> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 4:40 PM, John Campbell wrote:
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> >> >>
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> >> >> In 3rd Edition, globals only have access to completion. So, you just
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> >> >> rollup the lesson cluster with an (if all satisfied, completed rule).
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> >> >> It allows the retry to function and still protect the integrity of
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> >> >> the cluster's statuses. The "retry" will mark the cluster SCOs
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> >> >> completion status as unknown, but the overall cluster and pkg status
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> >> >> will be intact. In 4th Edition, this is not an issue. And most
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> >> >> people I have dealt with don't really care about the subtle difference
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> >> >> there.
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> >> >>
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> >> >> jpc
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> >> >>
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> >> >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Estes Ethan &
lt;eest...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >>> Also did was there anything specific with completion_status and
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> >> >>> success_status you needed - ie NOT setting them to completed and passed etc?
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> >> >>> -EÆ
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> >> >>>
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> >> >>>
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> >> >>>
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> >> >>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 4:00 PM, John Campbell wrote:
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> >> >>>
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> >> >>> Oh, and sure, you have to exit the SCO. But when designed for it,
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> >> >>> it's not a big deal. And if you really had a use case for embedding
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> >> >>> the menu in the content SCOs, you could.
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> >> >>>
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> >> >>> But from the learner's perspective, it's a very natural flow. You
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> >> >>> visit the menu, choose a lesson, take the lesson, visit the menu
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> >> >>> immediately after. There really is rarely a need to visit the menu
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> >> >>> from within the lesson itself in the designs I have seen.
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> >> >>>
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> >> >>> jpc
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> >> >>>
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> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Philip Hutchison
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> >> >>> &
lt;platelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >>>> John
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> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>> Interesting approach, I haven't tried that yet. So you're saying the
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> >> >>>> RTE --
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> >> >>>> which only returns values for the current SCO -- can be used to get
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> >> >>>> values
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> >> >>>> that have rolled up to a 'menu' SCO? Doesn't this mean you'd have to
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> >> >>>> exit
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> >> >>>> the actual content SCO to get to the menu SCO, since you can only
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> >> >>>> have one
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> >> >>>> active SCO at a time?
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> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>> If I understand you correctly, this approach will only work in 4th
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> >> >>>> edition... I wonder how many LMSs actually support 4th edition at
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> >> >>>> this
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> >> >>>> point.
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> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>> - philip
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> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:44 PM, John Campbell &
lt;j...@alumni.rice.edu>
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> >> >>>> wrote:
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> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>>>> You have to use global objectives to accomplish this. SCORM does
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> >> >>>>> not
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> >> >>>>> mandate that each SCO be unaware of the existence of other SCOs,
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> >> >>>>> though in many cases, that is a best practice. However, this is one
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> >> >>>>> of the exceptions. Having a menu SCO or a SCO solely used for glue
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> >> >>>>> or
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> >> >>>>> context in a course is a valid use case. I would put the menu SCO
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> >> >>>>> as
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> >> >>>>> the first one, then use sequencing to take the learner to the
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> >> >>>>> selected
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> >> >>>>> SCO.
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> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>>>> In SCORM 2004 4th Ed, globals contain completion status. So, you
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> >> >>>>> can
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> >> >>>>> see success, completion (even partial), scores, etc. of the SCOs in
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> >> >>>>> a
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> >> >>>>> course structure. You can also use a jump request from you menu SCO
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> >> >>>>> to navigate directly to the desired SCO.
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> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>>>> This is a great use of 4th Edition features that bypasses the
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> >> >>>>> horrible
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> >> >>>>> Table of Contents that most LMSes provide.
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> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>>>> jpc
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> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Philip Hutchison
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> >> >>>>> &
lt;platelu...@gmail.com>
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> >> >>>>> wrote:
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> >> >>>>>> Hi Amanda
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> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>> Unfortunately I don't think it's possible -- SCORM mandates that
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> >> >>>>>> each
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> >> >>>>>> SCO is
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> >> >>>>>> to be unaware of the existence of other SCOs. The only excpetion
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> >> >>>>>> is
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> >> >>>>>> that
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> >> >>>>>> SCORM 2004 allows you to check if there is another SCO to be
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> >> >>>>>> completed
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> >> >>>>>> after
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> >> >>>>>> the current one (via "adl.nav.request").
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> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>> There's no way to get the status, score, or any other info about
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> >> >>>>>> other
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> >> >>>>>> SCOs
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> >> >>>>>> via SCORM.
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> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>> Your LMS may or may not provide this extra functionality, but if it
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> >> >>>>>> does, it
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> >> >>>>>> ...
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