End of Time - REview with spoilers
The Doctor
kills it down.
Excellent performance even Timothy Dalton is great
(Who wanted him ditch as JAmes Bond, mistake)!
Tennant gives a grand bow out.
RTD does repeat theme as the Corrupt Gallifrey (see Trial of a Time Lord
and 5 Doctors) very well.
Gallifrey could come back, but a Battle Royale should
happen from 11 to 12 to cure the Time Lock Issue!
Even John Simm as the Master is funny and insane. Loved it.
The Doctor is back and even MAtt Smith is Funny
(Hope he can fix the TARDIS).
End of TIme ie is it the End ofthe Time Lords?
In fact there were in the wrong side of time to return.
Also President Rassilon? Something is wrong here.
I doubt the original Rassilon will approve.
I look forward to MAtt Smith.
The twists and turns in End of Time is GRAND.
None of the TARDIS in ex machina. Thr RTD and Tennant eras
go out on a high note!
Simply I am overwhelmed.
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> 9.2 out of 10 . I was going to say 9.5/10 but RTD's Long goodbye really
> kills it down.
>
>
The Doctor surviving the fall was a bit much.
I also would have liked some mention of the many non humans (other than the
two featured) on Earth during the change over.
And I'm only just barely willing to forgive Rassilon not using the Hand of
Omega(?) on the Doctor when he was threatening him with the gun.
> Excellent performance even Timothy Dalton is great
> (Who wanted him ditch as JAmes Bond, mistake)!
>
> Tennant gives a grand bow out.
>
>
> RTD does repeat theme as the Corrupt Gallifrey (see Trial of a Time Lord
> and 5 Doctors) very well.
>
> Gallifrey could come back, but a Battle Royale should
> happen from 11 to 12 to cure the Time Lock Issue!
I want to see a TV movie/mini series that brings back Paul McGann to show
the doctor's adventures during the time war. I want to see the Nightmare
Child, the Skaro Degradations, the Hordes of Travesty and all the other
horrors of the time war.
>
> Even John Simm as the Master is funny and insane. Loved it.
Agreed! Wanting credit for the destruction of humanity and then asking to
join the Time Lords as pure consciousness. The way he went from would be
destroyer of Time Lords to sucking up to them was marvelous.
>
> The Doctor is back and even MAtt Smith is Funny
> (Hope he can fix the TARDIS).
>
> End of TIme ie is it the End ofthe Time Lords?
>
>
> In fact there were in the wrong side of time to return.
>
Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other Susan?
I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother. But I
like the idea she was Susan more.
> Also President Rassilon? Something is wrong here.
>
Apparently whatever the Master did caused it to change from Romana to
Rassilon.
> I doubt the original Rassilon will approve.
>
He might after living through the horrors of the Time War and the fall of
Galifrey.
> I look forward to MAtt Smith.
>
> The twists and turns in End of Time is GRAND.
>
> None of the TARDIS in ex machina. Thr RTD and Tennant eras
> go out on a high note!
>
> Simply I am overwhelmed.
> --
Me Too.
Some additional reading (to fill in almost all the gaps):
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_End_of_Time_(TV_story)
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Last_Great_Time_War
I was also surprised to learn that the actor who played Wilfred also stared
in Daleks' Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.
F�achad�ir
<art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hhp5fr$afl$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> 9.2 out of 10 . I was going to say 9.5/10 but RTD's Long goodbye really
>> kills it down.
>>
>>
>I have a few gripes:
>The Doctor surviving the fall was a bit much.
That annoyed me too. No doubt it will be handwaved away at some point
as a result of magic TimeLord/Master/Vinvocci technology. After all,
he fell into a rooom containing a Great Big Healing Machine which was
in the process of bringing the entire Time Lord assembly back from the
dead.
She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
be.
>> Also President Rassilon? Something is wrong here.
>>
>
>Apparently whatever the Master did caused it to change from Romana to
>Rassilon.
Doubt it's anything to do with the Master. Timey-wimey time-war stuff.
>> I doubt the original Rassilon will approve.
>>
>
>He might after living through the horrors of the Time War and the fall of
>Galifrey.
>
>> I look forward to MAtt Smith.
>>
>> The twists and turns in End of Time is GRAND.
>>
>> None of the TARDIS in ex machina. Thr RTD and Tennant eras
>> go out on a high note!
>>
>> Simply I am overwhelmed.
>> --
>
>Me Too.
>
>Some additional reading (to fill in almost all the gaps):
>http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_End_of_Time_(TV_story)
>
>http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Last_Great_Time_War
>
>
>I was also surprised to learn that the actor who played Wilfred also stared
>in Daleks' Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.
--
'Donegal: Up Here It's Different'
� F�achad�ir
The Doctor
Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hhp5fr$afl$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> 9.2 out of 10 . I was going to say 9.5/10 but RTD's Long goodbye really
>> kills it down.
>>
>>
>I have a few gripes:
>The Doctor surviving the fall was a bit much.
Not imppossible. REmember he is a time lord.
>I also would have liked some mention of the many non humans (other than the
>two featured) on Earth during the change over.
Good question.
>And I'm only just barely willing to forgive Rassilon not using the Hand of
>Omega(?) on the Doctor when he was threatening him with the gun.
Was that THE Rassilon or someone that corrupt to call himself
Rassilon?
>
>
>> Excellent performance even Timothy Dalton is great
>> (Who wanted him ditch as JAmes Bond, mistake)!
>>
>> Tennant gives a grand bow out.
>>
>>
>> RTD does repeat theme as the Corrupt Gallifrey (see Trial of a Time Lord
>> and 5 Doctors) very well.
>>
>> Gallifrey could come back, but a Battle Royale should
>> happen from 11 to 12 to cure the Time Lock Issue!
>
>I want to see a TV movie/mini series that brings back Paul McGann to show
>the doctor's adventures during the time war. I want to see the Nightmare
>Child, the Skaro Degradations, the Hordes of Travesty and all the other
>horrors of the time war.
>
This should be done with Smith as the Doctor.
>>
>> Even John Simm as the Master is funny and insane. Loved it.
>
>Agreed! Wanting credit for the destruction of humanity and then asking to
>join the Time Lords as pure consciousness. The way he went from would be
>destroyer of Time Lords to sucking up to them was marvelous.
>
STill let the MAster stay Dead, but the MAster is back with Gallifrey
we speculate.
>
>>
>> The Doctor is back and even MAtt Smith is Funny
>> (Hope he can fix the TARDIS).
>>
>> End of TIme ie is it the End ofthe Time Lords?
>>
>>
>> In fact there were in the wrong side of time to return.
>>
>
>Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other Susan?
>I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother. But I
>like the idea she was Susan more.
>
OR 2 elders Time LAdies. Lots to speculate.
>
>> Also President Rassilon? Something is wrong here.
>>
>
>Apparently whatever the Master did caused it to change from Romana to
>Rassilon.
Dalton's character was that of Lord NOT Lady President.
>
>> I doubt the original Rassilon will approve.
>>
>
>He might after living through the horrors of the Time War and the fall of
>Galifrey.
OR accuse the current High Council of corruption.
>
>> I look forward to MAtt Smith.
>>
>> The twists and turns in End of Time is GRAND.
>>
>> None of the TARDIS in ex machina. Thr RTD and Tennant eras
>> go out on a high note!
>>
>> Simply I am overwhelmed.
>> --
>
>Me Too.
>
>Some additional reading (to fill in almost all the gaps):
>http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_End_of_Time_(TV_story)
>
>http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Last_Great_Time_War
>
>
>I was also surprised to learn that the actor who played Wilfred also stared
>in Daleks' Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.
>
Let's add.
The Doctor
F�achad�ir <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
><art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:hhp5fr$afl$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> 9.2 out of 10 . I was going to say 9.5/10 but RTD's Long goodbye really
>>> kills it down.
>>>
>>>
>>I have a few gripes:
>>The Doctor surviving the fall was a bit much.
>
>That annoyed me too. No doubt it will be handwaved away at some point
>as a result of magic TimeLord/Master/Vinvocci technology. After all,
>he fell into a rooom containing a Great Big Healing Machine which was
>in the process of bringing the entire Time Lord assembly back from the
>dead.
What properties does a Time Lord have?
:-)
>
>>> Also President Rassilon? Something is wrong here.
>>>
>>
>>Apparently whatever the Master did caused it to change from Romana to
>>Rassilon.
>
>Doubt it's anything to do with the Master. Timey-wimey time-war stuff.
Concurred.
>
>>> I doubt the original Rassilon will approve.
>>>
>>
>>He might after living through the horrors of the Time War and the fall of
>>Galifrey.
>>
>>> I look forward to MAtt Smith.
>>>
>>> The twists and turns in End of Time is GRAND.
>>>
>>> None of the TARDIS in ex machina. Thr RTD and Tennant eras
>>> go out on a high note!
>>>
>>> Simply I am overwhelmed.
>>> --
>>
>>Me Too.
>>
>>Some additional reading (to fill in almost all the gaps):
>>http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_End_of_Time_(TV_story)
>>
>>http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Last_Great_Time_War
>>
>>
>>I was also surprised to learn that the actor who played Wilfred also stared
>>in Daleks' Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.
>
>--
>'Donegal: Up Here It's Different'
>� F�achad�ir
Ryan P.
>> Also President Rassilon? Something is wrong here.
>>
>
> Apparently whatever the Master did caused it to change from Romana to
> Rassilon.
What? Restate that, please... it makes no sense, as there was no
"Romana" mentioned anywhere for the name to be changed.
Yads actually has a valid point for a change... Unless Rassilon is a
title, and not a name.
Or are we to believe that the modern Time Lords plucked Rassilon out
of the past to install him as Lord President of the now?
Stephen O'Connell
news:6151k51rmnviohmf2...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:>>
>>Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other
>>Susan?
>>I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother.
>>But I like the idea she was Susan more.
>
> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
> be.
It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
was The Doctor's mother.
Of course, that could easily be changed by the next production team if
they want to.
Arthur Lipscomb
> In article <hhpe4i$ckq$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:hhp5fr$afl$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> 9.2 out of 10 . I was going to say 9.5/10 but RTD's Long goodbye really
>>> kills it down.
>>>
>>>
>>I have a few gripes:
>>The Doctor surviving the fall was a bit much.
>
> Not imppossible. REmember he is a time lord.
>
The fall from the radio telescope in Logopolis was enough to kill him.
Other than two hearts the doctor has generally been portrayed as being frail
as any human. *Although* wasn't it recently established that the Doctor is
immune to radiation?
>>I also would have liked some mention of the many non humans (other than
>>the
>>two featured) on Earth during the change over.
>
> Good question.
Here's another. What happened to the millions of people incarcerated?
Presumably the Master let them out...
How about new born babies and other toddlers? So they were they turned into
fully grown adult Masters (where they might have walked or driven off to do
Who knows what) then back into babies (perhaps miles from home). Presumably
we're not supposed to ask such questions. But hey, if Wilfred can ask about
his wife's corpse...
I hope the Master knows how to fly/land a plane or steer a nuclear submarine
or operate a nuclear power plant for that matter. He probably does but
still some discussion about these topics and why someone with the mind of
the Master would reconcile himself to doing the many service and non skilled
tasks necessary for the world to continue to operate.
The ramifications of what the Master did are HUGE with or without people
remembering exactly what happened. Although since a lot of it was filmed
live as it happened... Of course this being the Who universe it will
probably not be addressed. :-(
Jack Bohn
>"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote in message
>news:6151k51rmnviohmf2...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
>> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:>>
>>>Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other
>>>Susan?
>>>I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother.
>>>But I like the idea she was Susan more.
>>
>> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
>> be.
>
>It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
>was The Doctor's mother.
Really? When Wilfred asked the Doctor who she was, the Doctor
didn't answer, but he didn't answer while looking at Donna,
Wilf's *granddaughter*. I mean, how big a hint could they give?
>Of course, that could easily be changed by the next production team if
>they want to.
Well, the Time Lords are gone, never to return again. Really.
Considering we had Donna, who couldn't get involved in an
adventure again lest her brain burn out --which was established
in the episode featuring the return of Rose from a dimension that
could never contact ours again --which happened in the episode
featuring the return of the Daleks which had been wiped out for
all time... I guess TARDIS should be stocked up with enough beer
and chips for a LOT of guests for the end of next year.
--
-Jack
The Doctor
Something is wrong! Rassilon is entombed as establish in T5D.
Furhter this PResident might be so corrupt he calls hiself Rassilon.
Time to resurrect Omega, and the Guardians at the
Tomb of Rassilon to settle this!
The Doctor
The Doctor's Mother? How? In DW:TWM she has human traits!
The Doctor
Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hhq6b8$82n$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <hhpe4i$ckq$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:hhp5fr$afl$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> 9.2 out of 10 . I was going to say 9.5/10 but RTD's Long goodbye really
>>>> kills it down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I have a few gripes:
>>>The Doctor surviving the fall was a bit much.
>>
>> Not imppossible. REmember he is a time lord.
>>
>
>The fall from the radio telescope in Logopolis was enough to kill him.
>Other than two hearts the doctor has generally been portrayed as being frail
>as any human. *Although* wasn't it recently established that the Doctor is
>immune to radiation?
>
Artron Energy has weird properties.
>
>>>I also would have liked some mention of the many non humans (other than
>>>the
>>>two featured) on Earth during the change over.
>>
>> Good question.
>
>Here's another. What happened to the millions of people incarcerated?
>Presumably the Master let them out...
>
>How about new born babies and other toddlers? So they were they turned into
>fully grown adult Masters (where they might have walked or driven off to do
>Who knows what) then back into babies (perhaps miles from home). Presumably
>we're not supposed to ask such questions. But hey, if Wilfred can ask about
>his wife's corpse...
>
>I hope the Master knows how to fly/land a plane or steer a nuclear submarine
>or operate a nuclear power plant for that matter. He probably does but
>still some discussion about these topics and why someone with the mind of
>the Master would reconcile himself to doing the many service and non skilled
>tasks necessary for the world to continue to operate.
>
>The ramifications of what the Master did are HUGE with or without people
>remembering exactly what happened. Although since a lot of it was filmed
>live as it happened... Of course this being the Who universe it will
>probably not be addressed. :-(
>
>
The MAster is insane. The Time Lords even admit that.
The Doctor
Jack Bohn <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>Stephen O'Connell wrote:
>
>>"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote in message
>>news:6151k51rmnviohmf2...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
>>> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:>>
>>>>Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other
>>>>Susan?
>>>>I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother.
>>>>But I like the idea she was Susan more.
>>>
>>> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
>>> be.
>>
>>It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
>>was The Doctor's mother.
>
>Really? When Wilfred asked the Doctor who she was, the Doctor
>didn't answer, but he didn't answer while looking at Donna,
>Wilf's *granddaughter*. I mean, how big a hint could they give?
You saw her at the end of PArt 2.
>
>>Of course, that could easily be changed by the next production team if
>>they want to.
>
>Well, the Time Lords are gone, never to return again. Really.
>
>Considering we had Donna, who couldn't get involved in an
>adventure again lest her brain burn out --which was established
>in the episode featuring the return of Rose from a dimension that
>could never contact ours again --which happened in the episode
>featuring the return of the Daleks which had been wiped out for
>all time... I guess TARDIS should be stocked up with enough beer
>and chips for a LOT of guests for the end of next year.
>
>--
>-Jack
>
The whole mess had to be fixed.
Credit to RTD: He explained Gallifrey's status very well.
jewahe
> Stephen O'Connell wrote:
>
>> "F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote in message
>> news:6151k51rmnviohmf2...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
>>> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:>>
>>>> Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other
>>>> Susan?
>>>> I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother.
>>>> But I like the idea she was Susan more.
>>> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
>>> be.
>> It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
>> was The Doctor's mother.
>
> Really? When Wilfred asked the Doctor who she was, the Doctor
> didn't answer, but he didn't answer while looking at Donna,
> Wilf's *granddaughter*. I mean, how big a hint could they give?
Actually, he flashed from Wilf to Donna's mother to Donna - as if
tracing a line...
I think it's more likely that the woman was the next point in that line
- Donna's daughter, or some descendant. Somehow, it's all the result of
the meta crisis.
--
JWH
The Doctor
David Johnston
Doctor) wrote:
>In article <hhqf7h$4d2$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote in message
>>news:6151k51rmnviohmf2...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
>>> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:>>
>>>>Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other
>>>>Susan?
>>>>I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother.
>>>>But I like the idea she was Susan more.
>>>
>>> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
>>> be.
>>
>>It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
>>was The Doctor's mother.
>>
>>Of course, that could easily be changed by the next production team if
>>they want to.
>>
>>
>
>The Doctor's Mother? How? In DW:TWM she has human traits!
Yeah, they dismissed that when the British took it back.
The Doctor
F�achad�ir
Why not? They resurrected the Master to fight in the war.
David Johnston
Doctor) wrote:
>In article <hhqdsk$lfc$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>Ryan P. <rdelet...@wi.rr.comm> wrote:
>>On 1/3/2010 12:40 AM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>>
>>>> Also President Rassilon? Something is wrong here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently whatever the Master did caused it to change from Romana to
>>> Rassilon.
>>
>> What? Restate that, please... it makes no sense, as there was no
>>"Romana" mentioned anywhere for the name to be changed.
>>
>> Yads actually has a valid point for a change... Unless Rassilon is a
>>title, and not a name.
>>
>> Or are we to believe that the modern Time Lords plucked Rassilon out
>>of the past to install him as Lord President of the now?
>
>Something is wrong! Rassilon is entombed as establish in T5D.
>
>Furhter this PResident might be so corrupt he calls hiself Rassilon.
Or it might just be his name. We reuse names, why not Timelords?
The Doctor
The Doctor
Arthur Lipscomb
"Ryan P." <rdelet...@wi.rr.comm> wrote in message
news:hhqdsk$lfc$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 1/3/2010 12:40 AM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>
>>> Also President Rassilon? Something is wrong here.
>>>
>>
>> Apparently whatever the Master did caused it to change from Romana to
>> Rassilon.
>
> What? Restate that, please... it makes no sense, as there was no
> "Romana" mentioned anywhere for the name to be changed.
>
I'm not saying it's canon, but I got it from here:
"It was stated in the "Meet the Doctor" section of Doctor Who Annual 2006
that the President of the Time Lords during the Time War was Romana -
Rassilon is not mentioned. As mentioned by Rassilon in the narration at the
end of Part 1, the Master's action had a great consequence."
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_End_of_Time_(TV_story)
Jack Bohn
>In article <ccs2k55lnmjbj2ffh...@4ax.com>,
>Jack Bohn <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>>
>>Really? When Wilfred asked the Doctor who she was, the Doctor
>>didn't answer, but he didn't answer while looking at Donna,
>>Wilf's *granddaughter*. I mean, how big a hint could they give?
>
>You saw her at the end of PArt 2.
... and the beginning of Part 1. But I'm bad with faces. Only
the fact that she didn't immediately identify herself as "Harriet
Jones, former Prime Minister" kept me from thinking it was her.
--
-Jack
Ryan P.
>
> Or it might just be his name. We reuse names, why not Timelords?
Good point... sometimes we avoid thinking of the simple, obvious answers!
The Doctor
Still a Time LAdy Ithink.
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The Doctor
I still call him Rassilon the PRetender.
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Stephen O'Connell
news:ccs2k55lnmjbj2ffh...@4ax.com...
> Stephen O'Connell wrote:
>
>>"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote in message
>>news:6151k51rmnviohmf2...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
>>> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:>>
>>>>Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other
>>>>Susan?
>>>>I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother.
>>>>But I like the idea she was Susan more.
>>>
>>> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
>>> be.
>>
>>It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
>>was The Doctor's mother.
>
> Really? When Wilfred asked the Doctor who she was, the Doctor
> didn't answer, but he didn't answer while looking at Donna,
> Wilf's *granddaughter*. I mean, how big a hint could they give?
RTD made the show, so I am sure he knows what he means! The lady is
supposed to be The Doctor's Mother, like it or not. However, maybe Donna
(with her Doctor bit inside her) eventually turns out to be his Mother?!!!
>
>>Of course, that could easily be changed by the next production team if
>>they want to.
>
> Well, the Time Lords are gone, never to return again. Really.
Er... they said that before. So don't be surprised if like the Daleks we
get to see them one day in the future.
Stephen O'Connell
The TVM was a co-production IIRC. But regardless of that, RTD can ignore
anything that he wants to from any era of Doctor Who, and he does, just as
Mr Moffat can ignore anything from the RTD era if he wants to.
(Inconsistencies are now put down to the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey
effect!)
So while RTD might have intended that 'the woman' is the Doctor's Mother,
one day it could easily turn out that she isn't!
Monsieur Tabernac
<no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"Jack Bohn" <jack...@bright.net> wrote in message
>news:ccs2k55lnmjbj2ffh...@4ax.com...
>> Stephen O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>>"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote in message
>>>news:6151k51rmnviohmf2...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
>>>> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:>>
>>>>>Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other
>>>>>Susan?
>>>>>I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother.
>>>>>But I like the idea she was Susan more.
>>>>
>>>> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
>>>> be.
>>>
>>>It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
>>>was The Doctor's mother.
>>
>> Really? When Wilfred asked the Doctor who she was, the Doctor
>> didn't answer, but he didn't answer while looking at Donna,
>> Wilf's *granddaughter*. I mean, how big a hint could they give?
>
>RTD made the show, so I am sure he knows what he means! The lady is
>supposed to be The Doctor's Mother, like it or not. However, maybe Donna
>(with her Doctor bit inside her) eventually turns out to be his Mother?!!!
>
Have you heard the commentary? Julie Gardner says it's the Doctor's
mother, but RTD says something like "She is? What? No no no... You're
mad!" In other words, that was what Julie Gardner interpreted the
woman to be, and was sticking to her assertation (no matter what the
writer of the episode was saying) -- RTD pretty much says it's NOT
supposed to be his mother.
David Johnston
Doctor) wrote:
>In article <i8u1k51d3idl0nj0i...@4ax.com>,
>David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>>On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:42:46 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>>Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <hhqdsk$lfc$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>Ryan P. <rdelet...@wi.rr.comm> wrote:
>>>>On 1/3/2010 12:40 AM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Also President Rassilon? Something is wrong here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently whatever the Master did caused it to change from Romana to
>>>>> Rassilon.
>>>>
>>>> What? Restate that, please... it makes no sense, as there was no
>>>>"Romana" mentioned anywhere for the name to be changed.
>>>>
>>>> Yads actually has a valid point for a change... Unless Rassilon is a
>>>>title, and not a name.
>>>>
>>>> Or are we to believe that the modern Time Lords plucked Rassilon out
>>>>of the past to install him as Lord President of the now?
>>>
>>>Something is wrong! Rassilon is entombed as establish in T5D.
>>>
>>>Furhter this PResident might be so corrupt he calls hiself Rassilon.
>>
>>Or it might just be his name. We reuse names, why not Timelords?
>
>I believe that is what I said.
No. You suggested that he called himself Rassilon because he was
corrupt, not because that happened to be his name.
Stephen O'Connell
news:rqf4k5hck681qb9ec...@4ax.com...
Yes but it sounded like he was mocking! As we couldn't see his face, I am
presuming that he had some sort of wicked grin on it, knowing that he'd be
stirring the internet crowds up!!!
The Doctor
Just remember the Doctor's maternal side is human.
The Doctor
In The NExt Doctor even Doctor 8 is confimred.
And could be just another Time Lady.
Love the DW Discussion and debate.
Eat your heart out JFl (John Fleming).
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Monsieur Tabernac
<no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
I don't think that counts as the lady definitively being the Doctor's
mother ("like it or not"). He's given no indication whatsoever!
Personally, I don't think he knows who the woman in white is himself
-- it's intentionally vague (which I really quite like -- I like to
imagine it's the Master's mother).
The Doctor
The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell
>
> Just remember the Doctor's maternal side is human.
Maybe, maybe not... maybe one day you will find out? It depends on how
seriously you take one simple line in one DW story out of over 150
(approx), over 46 years!
The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell
I personally think from his tone that RTD did know, and that his mocking
denial was confirming it, but in a nod-nod wink-wink sort of way. As he
didn't state who she actually was and only mocked Julie Gardner's
statement. When RTD and JG were sitting down doing the commentary, it
wasn't the first time the woman would have cropped up in discussions, as
they must have had many many meetings during the production of The End of
Time to sort out who 'she' was. So the "What?!" "you are mad!" retort came
across just as a mock denial... to me anyway. It's quite possible that the
lady will feature in future episodes one day too, so keeping people
guessing might be RTD's way of having his jollies with the nerdy fans who
get outraged by small things like that.
Personally, I couldn't give a hoot about the woman. But I'm sure that we
will find out one day.
Stephen O'Connell
> In article <hhtgn2$irb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote
>>>
>>> Just remember the Doctor's maternal side is human.
>>
>>Maybe, maybe not... maybe one day you will find out? It depends on how
>>seriously you take one simple line in one DW story out of over 150
>>(approx), over 46 years!
>
> I count DW:TVM as canon!
Yes Dave, but EVERY line of EVERY Doctor Who episode is not always gospel.
There are quite a lot of contradictions in DW over 46 years, as not every
writer on the show intended every line to be examined and referenced many
many years later. So some things might turn out to not be correct and/or
fit in with everything else.
Monsieur Tabernac
<no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hhtgq9$43a$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <hhtgn2$irb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote
>>>>
>>>> Just remember the Doctor's maternal side is human.
>>>
>>>Maybe, maybe not... maybe one day you will find out? It depends on how
>>>seriously you take one simple line in one DW story out of over 150
>>>(approx), over 46 years!
>
>>
>> I count DW:TVM as canon!
>
>Yes Dave, but EVERY line of EVERY Doctor Who episode is not always gospel.
>There are quite a lot of contradictions in DW over 46 years, as not every
>writer on the show intended every line to be examined and referenced many
>many years later. So some things might turn out to not be correct and/or
>fit in with everything else.
>
Which reminds me... Was it ever explained how Donna managed to survive
remembering giant wasps, daleks, etc. without burning up and dying (as
the Doctor repeatedly assured Wilf she would)?
Stephen O'Connell
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:08:02 -0000, "Stephen O'Connell"
> <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote
>>>
>>
>>Yes Dave, but EVERY line of EVERY Doctor Who episode is not always
>>gospel. There are quite a lot of contradictions in DW over 46 years, as
>>not every writer on the show intended every line to be examined and
>>referenced many many years later. So some things might turn out to not
>>be correct and/or fit in with everything else.
>
> Which reminds me... Was it ever explained how Donna managed to survive
> remembering giant wasps, daleks, etc. without burning up and dying (as
> the Doctor repeatedly assured Wilf she would)?
Well it wasn't in the commentary anyway!!! :-)
The Doctor
Later when the Judgment of Rassilon fixes everything.
The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hhtgq9$43a$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <hhtgn2$irb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote
>>>>
>>>> Just remember the Doctor's maternal side is human.
>>>
>>>Maybe, maybe not... maybe one day you will find out? It depends on how
>>>seriously you take one simple line in one DW story out of over 150
>>>(approx), over 46 years!
>
>>
>> I count DW:TVM as canon!
>
>Yes Dave, but EVERY line of EVERY Doctor Who episode is not always gospel.
>There are quite a lot of contradictions in DW over 46 years, as not every
>writer on the show intended every line to be examined and referenced many
>many years later. So some things might turn out to not be correct and/or
>fit in with everything else.
>
>
Sort of like Mawdryn Undead.
The Doctor
The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"Monsieur Tabernac" <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:kkj4k51bj2tvhpli6...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:08:02 -0000, "Stephen O'Connell"
>> <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote
>>>>
>>>> I count DW:TVM as canon!
>>>
>>>Yes Dave, but EVERY line of EVERY Doctor Who episode is not always
>>>gospel. There are quite a lot of contradictions in DW over 46 years, as
>>>not every writer on the show intended every line to be examined and
>>>referenced many many years later. So some things might turn out to not
>>>be correct and/or fit in with everything else.
>>
>> Which reminds me... Was it ever explained how Donna managed to survive
>> remembering giant wasps, daleks, etc. without burning up and dying (as
>> the Doctor repeatedly assured Wilf she would)?
>
>Well it wasn't in the commentary anyway!!! :-)
>
>
>
>
But it should have been.
jewahe
> Which reminds me... Was it ever explained how Donna managed to survive
> remembering giant wasps, daleks, etc. without burning up and dying (as
> the Doctor repeatedly assured Wilf she would)?
No - After she flash-fried the Masters on her block, she fell
unconscious, and we didn't see her again until her fianc� found her.
Presumably, either, as part of "collecting my reward", The Doctor showed
up and re-wiped her memory (and the scene was edited out), or she
self-healed.
But nothing was explained; she was just magically OK.
--
JWH
Stephen O'Connell
>
> Later when the Judgment of Rassilon fixes everything.
I liked Timothy Dalton as "Rassilon", and think that he would be perfect for a
return, (as a cunning villain and not boring Time Lord obviously!) Whether he is
THE Rassilon though is another debate...
Stephen O'Connell
> In article <hhthpv$ptd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yes Dave, but EVERY line of EVERY Doctor Who episode is not always gospel.
>>There are quite a lot of contradictions in DW over 46 years, as not every
>>writer on the show intended every line to be examined and referenced many
>>many years later. So some things might turn out to not be correct and/or
>>fit in with everything else.
>
> Sort of like Mawdryn Undead.
Exactly Dave!
So if you can ignore those type of contradictions, the "half-human" statement
from the TVM can easily be overlooked if necessary.
The Doctor
End of Time PArt 1 The Doctor is not allowed to cross
him own timeline.
F�achad�ir
wrote:
>Monsieur Tabernac wrote:
>
>> Which reminds me... Was it ever explained how Donna managed to survive
>> remembering giant wasps, daleks, etc. without burning up and dying (as
>> the Doctor repeatedly assured Wilf she would)?
>
>No - After she flash-fried the Masters on her block, she fell
>unconscious, and we didn't see her again until her fianc� found her.
>
>Presumably, either, as part of "collecting my reward", The Doctor showed
>up and re-wiped her memory (and the scene was edited out), or she
>self-healed.
The Doctor said something to the Master about not leaving her without
a defence. It may have worked to defend herself as well as zapping the
Masters. A reboot basically, erasing the returning memories.
>But nothing was explained; she was just magically OK.
--
'Donegal: Up Here It's Different'
� F�achad�ir
The Doctor
We can only hope Donna and her 2nd husband lives happily ever after.
Mark Nobles
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
> >Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other Susan?
> >I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother. But I
> >like the idea she was Susan more.
>
> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
> be.
I thought it was rather clear by the exchange of glances that she was
Dr. Donna.
Mark Nobles
> I want to see a TV movie/mini series that brings back Paul McGann to show
> the doctor's adventures during the time war. I want to see the Nightmare
> Child, the Skaro Degradations, the Hordes of Travesty and all the other
> horrors of the time war.
I don't think you really do. Better they should always be spoken of
with a shudder, perhaps with hints, but their actual manifestations on
screen could never match what you imagine.
The Doctor
Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
Donna's image as a Time Lord? Not from what I saw.
RTD gave us a lot to chew on.
The Doctor
Remembrance of the DAleks, Skaro was blown up.
Bring back the Thals and the Movellans as well.
David V. Loewe, Jr
<no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:40:16 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
>> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:>>
>>>Not *all* of them. Two disagreed. Could one be Romana and the other
>>>Susan?
>>>I've read that the female Timelord may have been the Doctor's mother.
>>>But I like the idea she was Susan more.
>>
>> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
>> be.
>
>It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
>was The Doctor's mother.
>
>Of course, that could easily be changed by the next production team if
>they want to.
http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=20_things_we_learnt_from
"Who�s that mysterious woman in �The End Of Time�? Here it is from the
horse�s mouth: �I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine
what you want. I think the fans will say it's Romana. Or even the Rani.
Some might say that it's Susan's mother, I suppose. But of course it�s
meant to be the Doctor�s mother�."
--
"Quantum particles: the dreams that stuff is made of."
- David Moser
The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell
> In article <48lcl5pct9khlsqiq...@4ax.com>,
> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:06:06 -0000, "Stephen O'Connell"
>><no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote
>>>>
>>>> be.
>>>
>>>It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
>>>was The Doctor's mother.
>>>
>>>Of course, that could easily be changed by the next production team if
>>>they want to.
>>
>>http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=20_things_we_learnt_from
>>
>>"Who's that mysterious woman in "The End Of Time"? Here it is from the
>>horse's mouth: "I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine
>>what you want. I think the fans will say it's Romana. Or even the Rani.
>>Some might say that it's Susan's mother, I suppose. But of course it's
>>meant to be the Doctor's mother"."
>
What was you saying Dave? It seems to vary from day to day...
The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hj5kj3$8t0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <48lcl5pct9khlsqiq...@4ax.com>,
>> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:06:06 -0000, "Stephen O'Connell"
>>><no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> She was... mumble mumble ... whoever a future producer wants her to
>>>>> be.
>>>>
>>>>It was stated in the RTD/Julie Gardner commentary (BBC Radio 7) that she
>>>>was The Doctor's mother.
>>>>
>>>>Of course, that could easily be changed by the next production team if
>>>>they want to.
>>>
>>>http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=20_things_we_learnt_from
>>>
>>>"Who's that mysterious woman in "The End Of Time"? Here it is from the
>>>horse's mouth: "I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine
>>>what you want. I think the fans will say it's Romana. Or even the Rani.
>>>Some might say that it's Susan's mother, I suppose. But of course it's
>>>meant to be the Doctor's mother"."
>>
>> AS I was saying.
>
>What was you saying Dave? It seems to vary from day to day...
>
>
Vary is the correct word when dealing with RTD/JG .
Stephen O'Connell
> In article <hj7lp5$qcd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:hj5kj3$8t0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> In article <48lcl5pct9khlsqiq...@4ax.com>,
>>> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Who's that mysterious woman in "The End Of Time"? Here it is from the
>>>>horse's mouth: "I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine
>>>>what you want. I think the fans will say it's Romana. Or even the Rani.
>>>>Some might say that it's Susan's mother, I suppose. But of course it's
>>>>meant to be the Doctor's mother"."
>>>
>>> AS I was saying.
>>
>>What was you saying Dave? It seems to vary from day to day...
>
> Vary is the correct word when dealing with RTD/JG .
As I've told you before Dave, nothing is Gospel in Doctor Who. Anything can be
altered or changed if it suits the DW Production team of the day.
The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hj7tnh$t72$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <hj7lp5$qcd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:hj5kj3$8t0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> In article <48lcl5pct9khlsqiq...@4ax.com>,
>>>> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"Who's that mysterious woman in "The End Of Time"? Here it is from the
>>>>>horse's mouth: "I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine
>>>>>what you want. I think the fans will say it's Romana. Or even the Rani.
>>>>>Some might say that it's Susan's mother, I suppose. But of course it's
>>>>>meant to be the Doctor's mother"."
>>>>
>>>> AS I was saying.
>>>
>>>What was you saying Dave? It seems to vary from day to day...
>>
>> Vary is the correct word when dealing with RTD/JG .
>
>As I've told you before Dave, nothing is Gospel in Doctor Who. Anything can be
>altered or changed if it suits the DW Production team of the day.
>
>
As proven by JN-T onwards.
Mr.Smartypants
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <hj7lp5$qc...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Stephen O'Connell <no.s...@fk.u.com> wrote:
> >>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:hj5kj3$8t0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >>> David V. Loewe, Jr <davelo...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>"Who's that mysterious woman in "The End Of Time"? Here it is from the
> >>>>horse's mouth: "I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine
> >>>>what you want. I think the fans will say it's Romana. Or even the Rani.
> >>>>Some might say that it's Susan's mother, I suppose. But of course it's
> >>>>meant to be the Doctor's mother"."
>
> >>> AS I was saying.
>
> >>What was you saying Dave? It seems to vary from day to day...
>
> > Vary is the correct word when dealing with RTD/JG .
>
> As I've told you before Dave, nothing is Gospel in Doctor Who. Anything can be
Just like Yads's discussions. When he runs into a roadblock (such as
someone asking a question) he instantly VARIES his discussion usually
to something completely out of context.
Why the variations in the storyline of Dr. Who should bother *him* of
all people is indeed something of a mystery.
The Doctor
Mr.Smartypants <bunghol...@lycos.com> wrote:
>On Jan 20, 3:01=A0pm, "Stephen O'Connell" <no.s...@fk.u.com> wrote:
>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:hj7tnh$t72$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <hj7lp5$qc...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> > Stephen O'Connell <no.s...@fk.u.com> wrote:
>> >>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> >>news:hj5kj3$8t0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> >>> In article <48lcl5pct9khlsqiq8l8cc2dqs4iejo...@4ax.com>,
>> >>> David V. Loewe, Jr <davelo...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>e
>> >>>>horse's mouth: "I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine
>i.
>> >>>>Some might say that it's Susan's mother, I suppose. But of course it'=
>s
>> >>>>meant to be the Doctor's mother"."
>>
>> >>> AS I was saying.
>>
>> >>What was you saying Dave? It seems to vary from day to day...
>>
>> > Vary is the correct word when dealing with RTD/JG .
>>
>an be
>> altered or changed if it suits the DW Production team of the day.-
>
>
>Just like Yads's discussions. When he runs into a roadblock (such as
>someone asking a question) he instantly VARIES his discussion usually
>to something completely out of context.
>
>Why the variations in the storyline of Dr. Who should bother *him* of
>all people is indeed something of a mystery.
>
TRolls the Goosestepper.
John Fleming
in the scriptorium "Stephen O'Connell" <no....@fk.u.com>
wrote:
> $"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> $news:hj5kj3$8t0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
[snip]
> $> AS I was saying.
> $
> $What was you saying Dave? It seems to vary from day to day...
Or hour to hour.
--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
Mr.Smartypants
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:33:56 -0000, while chained to a desk
> wrote:
>
> > $"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> > $news:hj5kj3$8t0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>
> [snip]
>
> > $> AS I was saying.
> > $
> > $What was you saying Dave? It seems to vary from day to day...
>
> Or hour to hour.
>
Minute to minute...
The Doctor
Mr.Smartypants <bunghol...@lycos.com> wrote:
>On Jan 21, 8:59=A0pm, John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:33:56 -0000, while chained to a desk
>> in the scriptorium "Stephen O'Connell" <no.s...@fk.u.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > $"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> > $news:hj5kj3$8t0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> > $> AS I was saying.
>> > $
>> > $What was you saying Dave? It seems to vary from day to day...
>>
>> Or hour to hour.
>>
>
>
>Minute to minute...
>
>
>> --
>>
>> John Fleming
>> Edmonton, Canada
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
>> =A0 =A0 =A0With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
>> =A0 =A0 =A0Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
>> =A0 =A0 =A0Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
>
Said trolling Gossestepper MSP.