Compatibility with Windows 7
mcgree
I just upgraded to Windows 7. I am not sure if E-Prime will even
work with Windows 7. Has anyone tried this? If so, what has your
experience been like? Thank you!
Craig
One idea is to use XP mode in Windows 7. There is virtualization
software available from Windows to allow you to run XP software in
Windows 7. I am actually planning on trying this out in the next few
days as well. Here is the link:http://www.microsoft.com/windows/
virtual-pc/download.aspx
mcgree
Gilgamesh
Thank you very much!
Daniel Zajdel
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From: e-p...@googlegroups.com [e-p...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gilgamesh [fbla...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:19 AM
To: E-Prime
Subject: Re: Compatibility with Windows 7
David McFarlane
would. I would never do this for running subjects, but I might well
want to to this on my development machine so that I could have all
the advanatages of Win7 for most of my work and still do E-Prime
development all on the same modern machine. Then of course I would
copy the result to a good old XP machine for running subjects.
Just my $.02,
-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
Michiel Spape
Happy new year!
Anyway, for a further tuppence, why not go all hardcore and use good old Windows 98 (SECOND EDITION!)? I remember we had E-Prime running on Pentium machines and, testing this with the E-Prime time-testing tools showed that they performed much better than any Windows XP system. Although that may well be because the XP lab-machines were 'helpdesk supported', who did not like shutting down processes such as anti-virus, the amount of background processing was much lower on the 98SE machines as well, which, I believe, greatly improved timing. Besides, PST wasn't quite sure they supported XP up until XP was actually getting quite old and Microsoft discontinued supporting 98.
Granted, the security of 98 was absolutely rubbish, but that's easily solved by putting a good old lock on the doors to the lab; and no, it didn't usually support USB disks, but floppy disks were fine...
Cheers,
Mich
Michiel Spapé
Research Fellow
Perception & Action group
University of Nottingham
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Indeed, I still use Windows 98 on my home
desktop, works just fine for me. And we kept a
Win98 machine for a long time in our fMRI
facility just for running E-Prime as part of
IFIS. I have to disagree with you about Win98
security though, I ran Win98 both on campus and
off for a long time without firewalls and
suffered no problems while Win2000 & XP users got
hacked into -- I credit that to the *weakness* of
Win98, i.e., Win98 simply did not act as a server
out of the box and so did not make a good target for network hackers!
As to USB drives, those work as long as you can
install a Win98 driver for them as I have for
many. Alas, manufacturers are making fewer Win98
drivers for their devices, so at some point I
will have to abandon Win98 just to use some new
gizmo. More importantly, EP2 does not work with
Win98, and for all I know neither does
EP1.2. But back to the original question, EP1.1
does work with Win98 and that would work for the original poster.
Cheers,
mcgree
I use VMware player. Has anyone tried this or heard about using this
particular software instead of going through the trouble to change the
bios settings and everything. Would this actually work with the way
that EPrime works? Thanks!
Rinus
personally, it doesn't sound very appealing to me to run an Emulated
OS to run E-prime...but as I've never tried it I don't know exactly
what it'll do to the timing.
I tested E-prime 2.0 (v2.0.8.22) a couple of times with some of my own
experiments (including Voicekey equipment) and also the long Refresh
Clock test from PSTNET in Windows 7 (home premium) and Windows7+Eprime
2 for me seems not to be a problem. Your question was that you didn't
know whether it would work.. I think it will, at least it performes
accurately on my PC. This might also be hardware dependent etc. Did
you already buy E-prime? If so, then just test it on your PC and try
it out..
Kind regards, Rinus
ps: as I understand it XP mode cannot be run on "lower" versions of W7
(like my home premium)
Daniel Zajdel
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From: e-p...@googlegroups.com [e-p...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape [Michie...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:10 AM
Gilgamesh
the data at home using my new laptop (emulating WinXP)... and still
run the experiments in the oldest computers in the faculty, those we
use as subject-stations (they run on Win 2000, which is quite reliable
in my opinion).
I feel reasonably happy about this scenario :-)
Thanks again
On 11 ene, 02:34, Daniel Zajdel <zajd...@ohsu.edu> wrote:
> Here, Here, Amen & Halleluiah. My lab never ran better than under Windows ME. As a researcher I am quite annoyed that every so often Microsoft comes along and insists I upgrade my already prefectly working system with inferior software that not only screws up my timing but also exposes me to all sorts of malicious code. I am firmly prepared to resist this new iniative to covert to Windows 7. It is already two years late, and every time Microsoft has pushed for a new operating system, starting with Windows 2000, it has made my life worse, so I cannot rely on any promises about reliability or efficiency, and I am through with debugging their crap code for them. My advice for anyone that seriously wants good timing is to run Eprime 1.x on any pre-Windows 2000 OS.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: e-p...@googlegroups.com [e-p...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape [Michiel.Sp...@nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:10 AM
> To: e-p...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Compatibility with Windows 7
>
> Hi David & List,
> Happy new year!
> Anyway, for a further tuppence, why not go all hardcore and use good old Windows 98 (SECOND EDITION!)? I remember we had E-Prime running on Pentium machines and, testing this with the E-Prime time-testing tools showed that they performed much better than any Windows XP system. Although that may well be because the XP lab-machines were 'helpdesk supported', who did not like shutting down processes such as anti-virus, the amount of background processing was much lower on the 98SE machines as well, which, I believe, greatly improved timing. Besides, PST wasn't quite sure they supported XP up until XP was actually getting quite old and Microsoft discontinued supporting 98.
>
> Granted, the security of 98 was absolutely rubbish, but that's easily solved by putting a good old lock on the doors to the lab; and no, it didn't usually support USB disks, but floppy disks were fine...
>
> Cheers,
> Mich
>
> Michiel Spapé
> Research Fellow
> Perception & Action group
> University of Nottingham
> School of Psychology-----Original Message-----
> From: e-p...@googlegroups.com [mailto:e-p...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McFarlane
> Sent: 07 January 2010 17:54
> To: e-p...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Compatibility with Windows 7
>
> I don't run the Win7/XP mode/EP setup myself, but I can imagine why I would. I would never do this for running subjects, but I might well want to to this on my development machine so that I could have all the advanatages of Win7 for most of my work and still do E-Prime development all on the same modern machine. Then of course I would copy the result to a good old XP machine for running subjects.
>
> Just my $.02,
> -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
>
> >I can't believe what I'm reading. Really? Run Windows 7 in XP mode?
> >Why bother? Why upgrade from XP in the first place then? Absurdities
> >don't get much better than that.
>
> >________________________________________
> >From: e-p...@googlegroups.com [e-p...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >Gilgamesh [fblanc...@gmail.com]
kommunaut
that requires a USB-Dongle (HASP) to run. Did anyone happen to try
that with a virtual XP machine (e.g. XP-mode) running under Windows 7?
Any problems integrating the Dongle?
Also: Did anyone already try out Version 1.1.?
Thanks a lot in advance!!
Stefan
On 11 Jan., 11:29, Gilgamesh <fblanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, it's not that bad now I can program the experiments and analyze
> the data at home using my new laptop (emulating WinXP)... and still
> run the experiments in the oldest computers in the faculty, those we
> use as subject-stations (they run on Win 2000, which is quite reliable
> in my opinion).
> I feel reasonably happy about this scenario :-)
>
> Thanks again
>
> On 11 ene, 02:34, Daniel Zajdel <zajd...@ohsu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Here, Here, Amen & Halleluiah. My lab never ran better than underWindowsME. As a researcher I am quite annoyed that every so often Microsoft comes along and insists I upgrade my already prefectly working system with inferior software that not only screws up my timing but also exposes me to all sorts of malicious code. I am firmly prepared to resist this new iniative to covert toWindows7. It is already two years late, and every time Microsoft has pushed for a new operating system, starting withWindows2000, it has made my life worse, so I cannot rely on any promises about reliability or efficiency, and I am through with debugging their crap code for them. My advice for anyone that seriously wants good timing is to run Eprime 1.x on any pre-Windows2000 OS.
>
> > ________________________________________
> > From: e-p...@googlegroups.com [e-p...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michiel Spape [Michiel.Sp...@nottingham.ac.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:10 AM
> > To: e-p...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Compatibility withWindows7
>
> > Hi David & List,
> > Happy new year!
> > Anyway, for a further tuppence, why not go all hardcore and use good oldWindows98 (SECOND EDITION!)? I remember we had E-Prime running on Pentium machines and, testing this with the E-Prime time-testing tools showed that they performed much better than anyWindowsXP system. Although that may well be because the XP lab-machines were 'helpdesk supported', who did not like shutting down processes such as anti-virus, the amount of background processing was much lower on the 98SE machines as well, which, I believe, greatly improved timing. Besides, PST wasn't quite sure they supported XP up until XP was actually getting quite old and Microsoft discontinued supporting 98.
>
> > Granted, the security of 98 was absolutely rubbish, but that's easily solved by putting a good old lock on the doors to the lab; and no, it didn't usually support USB disks, but floppy disks were fine...
>
> > Cheers,
> > Mich
>
> > Michiel Spapé
> > Research Fellow
> > Perception & Action group
> > University of Nottingham
> > School of Psychology-----Original Message-----
> > From: e-p...@googlegroups.com [mailto:e-p...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McFarlane
> > Sent: 07 January 2010 17:54
> > To: e-p...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Compatibility withWindows7
>
> > I don't run the Win7/XP mode/EP setup myself, but I can imagine why I would. I would never do this for running subjects, but I might well want to to this on my development machine so that I could have all the advanatages of Win7 for most of my work and still do E-Prime development all on the same modern machine. Then of course I would copy the result to a good old XP machine for running subjects.
>
> > Just my $.02,
> > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
>
> > >I can't believe what I'm reading. Really? RunWindows7inXP mode?
> > >Why bother? Why upgrade from XP in the first place then? Absurdities
> > >don't get much better than that.
>
> > >________________________________________
> > >From: e-p...@googlegroups.com [e-p...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > >Gilgamesh [fblanc...@gmail.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:19 AM
> > >To: E-Prime
> > >Subject: Re: Compatibility withWindows7
>
> > >It worked with me.
> > >Thank you very much!
>
> > >On 27 dic 2009, 16:29, Craig <cmark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > One idea is to useXP modeinWindows7. There is virtualization
> > > > software available fromWindowsto allow you to run XP software in
> > > >Windows7. I am actually planning on trying this out in the next
liwenna
required a dongle to run.... at least it does at my university whereas
at my previous university we used e-prime 1.2 and the dongle was only
required during installation of e-prime.
But all that aside... I also remember that there were always problems
when installing e-prime due to missing HASP drivers that had to be
manually installed. Download them for instance here:
http://www.aladdin.com/support/hasp/enduser.aspx (and if you happen
to plan on installing e-prime on a non-internet connected computer,
bring the driver on an usb stick!).
No experience with running e-prime on a virtual xp in windows 7, so
can't help you out on that one. My guess is that it should work, but
do make sure that you verify the timing etc.
Good luck and let us know, please!
Best,
liw
David McFarlane
>Also: Did anyone already try out Version 1.1.?
OK, so why are some folks so keen on running EP1.1 instead of
1.2? You know that anyone with a license can download the latest
version of 1.2 from the PST web site?
David McFarlane
Slightly off topic, but FWIW: I have EP1.2 running perfectly well
directly under Vista; however, that worked only after I installed
device drivers for EP2. I.e., the device drivers from EP1 are not
compatible with Vista (and by extension, I suppose Win7), but the EP2
drivers are compatible with Vista, and EP1 will use the EP2 drivers
if they are installed and then everything works well directly under
Vista without any emulators, etc. (well, sound & videos have
problems in EP2.0.8.22 under Vista, but that is supposed to be fixed
in EP2.0.8.73). I suppose this might work just as well under Windows 7.
Of course, this only works if you have both EP1 & EP2, and some might
wonder what's the point, if you have EP2 why even bother with
EP1? And I answer that EP1 still surpasses EP2 in many regards.
David McFarlane
>If I am not mistaken it's actually the newer e-prime (2.0) that
>required a dongle to run.... at least it does at my university whereas
>at my previous university we used e-prime 1.2 and the dongle was only
>required during installation of e-prime.
Depends on what you mean by "E-Prime". As you recall, there is no
program called "E-Prime", rather E-Prime properly refers to a suite
of programs. We all (including me) have the bad habit of loosely
referring to any program in the suite as "E-Prime" when we really
mean something more specific like (most often) E-Studio, or E-Run, or
E-DataAid, etc. So here's the story as far as I can figure it out...
*All* versions of E-Prime require a hardware key ("dongle") or
network key to run *E-Studio*. All versions of E-Prime do *not*
require any key to run any other programs in the suite, e.g., E-Run
or E-DataAid. EP1 does require a key during installation, whereas
EP2 does not. (So far I have managed to avoid network keys, so I
cannot say much about them.)
On a side topic, over on the PST Forum every once in a while someone
writes in with a problem with the "subject station" installation. I
never understand why anyone bothers with "subject station"
installations. Around here we just do a full install of E-Prime
whereever we might need it. Then, whatever station currently has the
hardware key serves as the "development" station, and any others
serve as "subject" and "data analysis" stations. We can change those
roles at will, and as I understand it this all fits within the terms
of the license without us ever hassling with "subject stations".
liwenna
applications ^.^
However, I do am quite sure that on my previous university we did not
need the dongle to run e-studio (1.2). It was only needed during
installation (which was very convenient because it made it possible to
borrow the dongle overnight to install e-prime on your home computer
where you could then use it without the dongle. Netwerk access to the
university network also was not needed so I am pretty sure it worked
without).
Here at my current university the dongle is connected to a server
somewhere so that all networkconnected computers run on it.
Unfortunately connecting a homebased computer trough remote desktop
does not access that specific server so no more home e-studioing (<=
note the learning progress!).
This all, obviously, on a side note.
Have a nice weekend everyone!
liw
dkmcf
Well, I cannot argue with your experience, but for the record I would
say that is neither the typical nor intended behavior of E-Studio. My
experience is exactly the opposite, and is not based on memory since
we have EP1.2 in wide use here.
Regards,
-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
dkmcf
Oh and BTW, if you did manage to evade PST's protection scheme and
regularly ran multiple copies of E-Studio simultaneously on several
computers with just a single license, then you violated the terms of
your license and rightfully you owe more money to PST. My beefs
against that company are legendary, nevertheless we owe them the same
respect for their copyright as for anyone else.
Regards,
-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
On Jan 29, 5:29 am, liwenna <liwe...@gmail.com> wrote: