Disappointed by Abhiyan Apartment's inconsideration

[Parul]

I am so disappointed that in the name of worshipping Bhagwan, we consider it our right to use loud speakers.

Why is country so inconsiderate? Why is it so normal to use extremely displeasing levels of decibels?

I have an exam tomorrow, but I have not been able to study at all. Since 4 pm today, Abhiyan has been blaring some sundar kand. I think Hanuman ji will; be quite upset to see the disruption this causes to peace.

Here is the reason why such organizers do not realize that their volume is causing botheration: they get local speakers, HUGE sized speakers, relevant for a maidan. These speakers are good at throwing volume far away; but they are not good for localised sound. 

Then, these organisers very cleverly position the speakers towards the open part of the society -- which faces another society, and not their OWN society. So their own residents are totally saved from any kind of noise pollution.

I actually went to Abhiyan, and was shocked to see that in the front part of their OWN society, I couldn't hear anything. But, I, who lives next door, couldn't study at all.

I am so, so ashamed that we live in a culture where it is SO normal to cause noise pollution like this.

I even went to the organisers and requested to them to lower the volume, but they only made faces, remarking, "yahan toh kuch bhi karna mushkil hai". They even lied, "we are going to be done in 15 minutes". Such a typical, indian-style lie. Why do it? So sad.

And then when I returned --  the volume became more blaring. It has been an hour since, and it's still going on.

I don't know what to say about my exams. I am sure none of their kids have an exam tomorrow. And it DOESN't matter whether there is an exam or not. Any right minded person does not want to hear unaesthetic blaring sound into their bedroom. Totally disrespectful, highly inconsiderate, and deeply selfish and irresponsible behavior -- in the name of God.

The Abhiyan Society Chairman --- will you please speak up?

I am all for satsangs. I think they are a wonderful way to bring people together. Maybe learn something from folks like Isha Foundation, who do it in such a responsible and considerate and quiet way.

Waiting to hear your thoughts,

Parul

[Arun Banerjee]

It happens only here. Worshipping with loud sound & big donation. Such people think their wworship will be heard.

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[G.K. SETHI]

How strange, u r bothering a lot about sounds of Hanuman's worship which are only for few hours & not from the 5 time azans that too daily starting right from 4 am in the morning. I hv not seen anyone including me raising this issue bcoz these matters are too senstive and treated & misbranded as attack on community's religious sentiments.
V all r hapless & helpless Indians who can't do anything whether this issue or Sarabjit's killing or CWG or 2G or coalgate or railgate or so on....so on....so on.............

G K Sethi

[Sudha Iyer]

There is a clear direction from the Court.  You cannot have loudspeakers blasting after 10pm.  If persuation fails, please call 100. Let them take corrective actions.
 
Request -Please do bhajan and keertans - but ensure it is confined to the room/your area only. And why do we have this bizzare notion that unless and until we blast our loudspeaker and let the whole world know that we are doing bhajan and keertans  - that it is not a successful event. Believe me God can hear even a whisper. So it is not at all necessary to blast the loudspeaker so as to disturb everyone in the vicinity.  We have to be senstive and considerate towards others.
 
Hope all our learned friends will ensure peace in our surroundings and allow all age groups to do their work peacefully.
 
Regards,
 
Sudha
 
 
 

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Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 00:01:09 +0800
From: ashirw...@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: [Dwarka Forum] Disappointed by Abhiyan Apartment's inconsideration

[Anil Rajput]

Unfortunately most of us become mute spectators and

do not raise the voice , please raise your concern with the

MC of your society in writing and speak to other residents

As per law no loud speakers are allowed after 2200 hrs.

Anil Rajput

[Arun Banerjee]

Its not against any community or any particular religion, its the noise pollution and disturbance causing nuisance in a civilised society. Worship from the heart not with loud speakers. 

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[Satya Prakash Rastogi]

I think loudspeakers are not at all necessary these days when better alternatives are available.In any case,any local celebration should not be made to create irritation to others. Abhiyan people should have paid heed to the objections and at least diverted the direction of loudspeakers in other side.Laws are there but more importantly,the mindset has to change to be accomodative.As for the azaans,no rules seem to be applicable  

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Unfortunately most of us become mute spectators and

do not raise the voice , please raise your concern with the

MC of your society in writing and speak to other residents

As per law no loud speakers are allowed after 2200 hrs.

Anil Rajput

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Parul <parul...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[JNGupta]

Fully Agree. Worship should be soothing rather than the other way out

JNGupta

[M VISWANATHAN]

Dear All,

 

You all had been discussing a matter which need to be verified, as for as my knowledge goes the Secretary and the President rather the whole office bearers of the Society are sensible persons and would never ever have behaved the way it has been stated. In my personal opinion these kinds of topics must be circulated after thorough verification, this unnecessarily starts an unwanted discussion.

 

If the boy / person was so particular he could have immediately called up 100 and the matter could have been sorted out, but I still feel the boy / person might not have met the right person in the Society.

 

 

 

With regds

 

M Viswanathan

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Subject: Re: [Dwarka Forum] Disappointed by Abhiyan Apartment's inconsideration

[M Jayaraman]

I was not there at my society when this happened as I was away in another
function at NSIT organized by Dwarkalaya.
Anyhow, here is a reply from one of the MC members.

But I would like to say that when I came back from NSIT at 9.30 p.m. the
function was already over and people were having dinner. - M Jayaraman,
Hony Secretary, Abhiyan

I am so disappointed that in the name of worshipping Bhagwan, we consider
it our right to use loud speakers.

<<Parul, our apologies that the loud sound disturbed you so much. We will
be careful in the future. Thinking Aloud: How I wish if the youth of our
country could be equally sensitive about the loud music they play in their
cars, home theatre, bikes etc.>>

Why is country so inconsiderate? Why is it so normal to use extremely
displeasing levels of decibels?

<<You should take this up with the youth too. They will surely listen to
you as you are among them and they would relate better with you.>>

I have an exam tomorrow, but I have not been able to study at all. Since 4
pm today, Abhiyan has been blaring some sundar kand. I think Hanuman ji
will; be quite upset to see the disruption this causes to peace.

<<Parul, our apologies again... we will be careful next time. It's
interesting that one sound is pleasing to some ears, and displeasing to
others. Our taste, beliefs, and lifestyle have a direct impact on what we
like or dislike.>>

Here is the reason why such organizers do not realize that their volume is
causing botheration: they get local speakers, HUGE sized speakers, relevant
for a maidan. These speakers are good at throwing volume far away; but they
are not good for localised sound.

<<Thanks for pointing this out. The next time we will make sure the right
kind of music system is provided at any function held at Abhiyan.>>

Then, these organisers very cleverly position the speakers towards the open
part of the society -- which faces another society, and not their OWN
society. So their own residents are totally saved from any kind of noise
pollution.

<<Parul, you are concluding too fast. Please be patient and more tolerant
and give us the benefit of doubt.>>
<<This is ridiculous. The speakers were kept in between two blocks which
are at different directions. There is no way that both were facing another
society. I think the young lady should use some brain also while writing
like this - M Jayaraman>>

I actually went to Abhiyan, and was shocked to see that in the front part
of their OWN society, I couldn't hear anything. But, I, who lives next
door, couldn't study at all.

<<So, Parul, when you visited Abhiyan, did you not talk to the right person
about reducing the sound? Talking to just anyone wouldn't help. I hope you
tried to find out who the organizer was and you also tried to speak to the
organizer directly. Lamenting in front of security guards or randomly to
anyone usually doesn't help in any situation.>>

I am so, so ashamed that we live in a culture where it is SO normal to
cause noise pollution like this.

<<Do something about it mindfully and don't just complain in frustration. I
hope you will take this advice in the right spirit.>>

I even went to the organisers and requested to them to lower the volume,
but they only made faces, remarking, "yahan toh kuch bhi karna mushkil
hai". They even lied, "we are going to be done in 15 minutes". Such a
typical, indian-style lie. Why do it? So sad.

<<Are you sure you spoke to the organizers? If you did, and clearly that
has not helped, then, we will make sure we keep the sound during any
function as less as possible. Apologies again.>>

And then when I returned -- the volume became more blaring. It has been an
hour since, and it's still going on.

<<You should have visited Abhiyan again and explained more convincingly. It
is not necessary that every problem will resolve in one and single
attempt. :)>>

I don't know what to say about my exams. I am sure none of their kids have
an exam tomorrow. And it DOESN't matter whether there is an exam or not.
Any right minded person does not want to hear unaesthetic blaring sound
into their bedroom. Totally disrespectful, highly inconsiderate, and deeply
selfish and irresponsible behavior -- in the name of God.

<<Unaesthetic sound? Are you not being careless and too impatient here?
What is aesthetic sound in your perspective Parul? Hollywood music?
Bollywood music? Have you studied the scriptures? Do you know why these
religious activities are prescribed in today's age? Your opinion and
patience level will see a big change if make scriptures study a part of
your daily regime.>>

The Abhiyan Society Chairman --- will you please speak up?

<<This email is from a member of Abhiyan.>>

I am all for satsangs. I think they are a wonderful way to bring people
together. Maybe learn something from folks like Isha Foundation, who do it
in such a responsible and considerate and quiet way.

<<Parul, before anyone else learns anything from Isha Foundation--which
claims to fix mind and body level irregularities through their
Kriya--please consider doing their Kriya do improve your tolerance and
patience. It will help you in a big way, and in every area of your life.>>

Waiting to hear your thoughts,

Parul

Sudha Iyer <sudha_...@hotmail.com> May 07 07:35AM

There is a clear direction from the Court. You cannot have
loudspeakers blasting after 10pm. If persuation fails, please call
100. Let them take corrective actions.

Request -Please do bhajan and keertans - but ensure it is confined to
the room/your area only. And why do we have this bizzare notion that
unless and until we blast our loudspeaker and let the whole world
know that we are doing bhajan and keertans - that it is not a
successful event. Believe me God can hear even a whisper. So it is
not at all necessary to blast the loudspeaker so as to disturb
everyone in the vicinity. We have to be senstive and considerate
towards others.

Hope all our learned friends will ensure peace in our surroundings
and allow all age groups to do their work peacefully.

Regards,

Sudha

Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 00:01:09 +0800
From: ashirw...@yahoo.co.in

Subject: Re: [Dwarka Forum] Disappointed by Abhiyan Apartment's
inconsideration

To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com

No use of talking to these people. They feel that they are doing a
great cause. Instead they should have spent that time to view OMG.


--- On Sun, 5/5/13, Parul <parul...@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Parul <parul...@gmail.com>

Subject: [Dwarka Forum] Disappointed by Abhiyan Apartment's
inconsideration

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Date: Sunday, 5 May, 2013, 9:01 PM

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[Parul]

I am surprised by this very reactive nature of this post. Of course, I
am not immature enough to generalize in this way and to say that all
"god-related" sounds are "aesthetic", and "bollywood" or "hollywood"
sounds are aesthetic. I am equally critical of blaring music of all
sorts; it doesn't matter to me what the age of the player is. How does
that matter?

I am also disappointed that Mr. Jayaraman said I should have
persisted, a few times. Just for your information, I sat there for
about 20 minutes. Mr. Jayaraman please don't take it personally. This
is not about you. I called you out -- only as a representative of the
society.

I am happy to see so many people agree that satsangs do not need such
blaring speakers. I can confirm that there were two speakers, one
facing your society (which was switched off), and the other, facing
the open ground (which was switched on).

I am giving you the benefit of doubt-- I am not saying this was
intentional necessarily. I even acknowledged that I was shocked to see
how these speakers in the local environment were not very loud (so
your society folks probably actually had No idea about how loud they
were outside....! because I acknolwedged upfront that these speakers
tend to "throw AWAY" sound-- making it louder further away, in open
space. I think people ought to be more careful about this-- know the
equipment well. Or simply, use baby small equipment, or none at all.

The other problem is that this event started at 4 p.m. and probably
was over by 9: 30 pm or 10 pm; whereas the Delhi Police requires you
to stop loud speakers only after 10 pm. So that was my concern. Can we
be a more considerate culture? Must we use loud speakers at such
events? That was essential question.

I like how people just assume that the person writing must be a boy.
"young lady use some brains" is offensive, but I am sure (Mr.
Jayaraman) you didn't mean it, and wrote it because you were feeling
extremely wronged-- for creating that sentiment in you -- I am sorry.

As far as Azan is concerned -- (it's beautiful and moving -- though I
agree that's no reason for loud speakers), but the reason nobody has
ever spoken out against azan is because it goes on for what? Barely--
a FEW minutes. We can all stand that.

Please don't assume that I am talking about SOME types of music over
another; and please don't speak in such divisive terms-- and pit
"youth" against the "old". That's not the point at all. If my own
tone was acrimonious, I regret it. I was deeply troubled by the
inconsiderate behaviour of the organisers and participants; and I
assure you-- perhaps you didn't read my e-mail carefully-- I went and
SPOKE to the organiszers; I didn't "lament" to the guards at all.

I don't appreciate Mr. Vishwanathan's idea as I don't believe in
reporting to the police. I think as responsible adults, we should
create a culture where we can understand each other. I wouldn't like
it at all that their function was spoiled by the police because of me.
Never.

I like Ms. Sudha Iyer's request -- this is just a request for all of
us. We should all speak out -- politely-- against noise pollution---
and avoid it ourselves.

Finally, the point of this e-mail is to encourage dialogue over this
serious concern. Can we, the Dwarka Forum members, agree on this ethos
that we will refrain from creating noise pollution, no matter of the
time of the day. Of course this is not a law; it's just an ethos I am
talking about.

I am actually a huge fan of satsangs, and some of my most moving
experiences in life have been at satsangs; but i prefer when they are
not loud enough to be heard outside the compound of where they are
being held.

Finally, Mr. Jayaraman, I am happy to hear that you would like to be
more careful about such things. Thank you so much. I think that means
a lot to us.

We should all be careful I think.

Best regards,
Parul

>       Sudha Iyer <sudha_iyer...@hotmail.com> May 07 07:35AM

>
>       There is a clear direction from the Court. You cannot have
>       loudspeakers blasting after 10pm. If persuation fails, please call
>       100. Let them take corrective actions.
>
>       Request -Please do bhajan and keertans - but ensure it is confined to
>       the room/your area only. And why do we have this bizzare notion that
>       unless and until we blast our loudspeaker and let the whole world
>       know that we are doing bhajan and keertans - that it is not a
>       successful event. Believe me God can hear even a whisper. So it is
>       not at all necessary to blast the loudspeaker so as to disturb
>       everyone in the vicinity. We have to be senstive and considerate
>       towards others.
>
>       Hope all our learned friends will ensure peace in our surroundings
>       and allow all age groups to do their work peacefully.
>
>       Regards,
>
>       Sudha
>
>       Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 00:01:09 +0800

>       From: ashirwadme...@yahoo.co.in

>       Subject: Re: [Dwarka Forum] Disappointed by Abhiyan Apartment's
>       inconsideration
>       To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
>
>       No use of talking to these people. They feel that they are doing a
>       great cause. Instead they should have spent that time to view OMG.
>

>       --- On Sun, 5/5/13, Parul <parulty...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Parul]

I would also like to say I appreciate the thoughts shared by Mr.
Jayaraman, and all of you. In addition to Ms. Iyer's comments, I would
also like to acknowledge the constructive comments of Mr. Banerjee,
Mr. Gupta, Mr. Rastogi, and Mr. Rajput.

Let's see how we can constructively work together to take care of this
problem as a culture.

Warm regards,
Parul

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[Ramnath Kumar]

Basically we Indians are very inconsiderate, disrespectful of courts and laws and very noisy. You can see "sound horn" behind every truck and bus. The Cops are inhuman and want only money. In our own society sometime ago some people were playing loud music till 1 am. I called the cops. The cops came, took money from these people and walked away.

When will we learn to respect other man's freedom and feelings? The worst thing is people justifying such indecent and uncultured acts. In the name of Aastha, we are driving people mad.

Ramnath Kumar

Evergreen Apartments