I`m having problems with noise in low light conditions. I do a lot of work
in low light conditions. Just want some feed back on what i should have my
settings at to reduce the noise. I shoot in 1080/60i i do freelance media so
i end up at a lot of accidents and fires. My previous camera which i still
have is the Canon Hf S10. The HMC has better low light sensitvity but i cant
figure out how to get the noise out. The HMC has a lot more settings than
the simple HF S10. I`m kinda lost since i started shooting for the first
time 5 months ago.
I don't know your Canon, but while I hear the HMC is okay in lower light compared to other small cams, I'm coming from broadcast cameras and it's not all that impressive. However, you want to make sure you are shooting manual, with the Gain switch set to L. Noise-wise, I think you'll be better off shooting a little darker picture and lightening it up in post if need be, rather than increasing the gain to get a proper exposure in camera. (But that is an untested hunch for me at this point. You should test this for yourself.)
Then, make sure you are shooting 720. The noise increases a bit at 1080. Also, you want the PH setting for the picture quality (which all the 720 varieties are.... 1080 gives you lower quality/longer record times as options.)
Finally, the if noise is a real problem, there are some software packages that alledgedly do a remarkable job of smoothing out the noise. But at the cost of render time.
White Wolf wrote: > I`m having problems with noise in low light conditions. I do a lot of > work in low light conditions. Just want some feed back on what i should > have my settings at to reduce the noise. I shoot in 1080/60i i do > freelance media so i end up at a lot of accidents and fires. My previous > camera which i still have is the Canon Hf S10. The HMC has better low > light sensitvity but i cant figure out how to get the noise out. The HMC > has a lot more settings than the simple HF S10. I`m kinda lost since i > started shooting for the first time 5 months ago.
> 2009/10/6 Tim Selander <selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp > <mailto:selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp>>
> Just took delivery of two of them. Have played with them, but have not > used on a real job yet. Having problems with cheap memory cards.
> Tim Selander > Tokyo, Japan
> lakotawolf wrote: > > Does anybody here own this camera? I just got one and have some > > questions about a problem i`m having.
Thanks for the info. I`ll try 720/60p and i wont use H gain. I`ll mess
around and see if i can correct the problem. If i have the iris wide open
will that increase the noise?
> I don't know your Canon, but while I hear the HMC is okay in lower light
> compared to other small cams, I'm coming from broadcast cameras and it's
> not all that impressive. However, you want to make sure you are shooting
> manual, with the Gain switch set to L. Noise-wise, I think you'll be
> better off shooting a little darker picture and lightening it up in post
> if need be, rather than increasing the gain to get a proper exposure in
> camera. (But that is an untested hunch for me at this point. You should
> test this for yourself.)
> Then, make sure you are shooting 720. The noise increases a bit at 1080.
> Also, you want the PH setting for the picture quality (which all the 720
> varieties are.... 1080 gives you lower quality/longer record times as
> options.)
> Finally, the if noise is a real problem, there are some software
> packages that alledgedly do a remarkable job of smoothing out the noise.
> But at the cost of render time.
> HTH
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> White Wolf wrote:
> > I`m having problems with noise in low light conditions. I do a lot of
> > work in low light conditions. Just want some feed back on what i should
> > have my settings at to reduce the noise. I shoot in 1080/60i i do
> > freelance media so i end up at a lot of accidents and fires. My previous
> > camera which i still have is the Canon Hf S10. The HMC has better low
> > light sensitvity but i cant figure out how to get the noise out. The HMC
> > has a lot more settings than the simple HF S10. I`m kinda lost since i
> > started shooting for the first time 5 months ago.
> > 2009/10/6 Tim Selander <selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp
> > <mailto:selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp>>
> > Just took delivery of two of them. Have played with them, but have
> not
> > used on a real job yet. Having problems with cheap memory cards.
> > Tim Selander
> > Tokyo, Japan
> > lakotawolf wrote:
> > > Does anybody here own this camera? I just got one and have some
> > > questions about a problem i`m having.
White Wolf wrote: > Thanks for the info. I`ll try 720/60p and i wont use H gain. I`ll mess > around and see if i can correct the problem. If i have the iris wide > open will that increase the noise?
Ahh that might have been the problem. I was using high gain. I dont have the
luxury of doing a lot of in post editing due to the fact most of my shoots
are news related and they buy the video raw. So i have to have it some what
ok looking.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Tim Selander <selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:
> iris wide open will not increase noise. Using H gain, or even the
> middle setting, will introduce lots of noise.
> White Wolf wrote:
> > Thanks for the info. I`ll try 720/60p and i wont use H gain. I`ll mess
> > around and see if i can correct the problem. If i have the iris wide
> > open will that increase the noise?
Okay, but you should keep in mind that it is much easier to boost an under exposed shot up to decent levels in post, than rescue an over exposed shot. Running in high gain, you risk blowing out some highlights, and even if you bring the levels down acceptably in post, you will never get that lost detail back. If you can see the image you want in the viewfinder, but it's too dark with Gain at "L," the shot will ultimately be usable by your client. If you run the gain up to make the shot brighter over all, you introduce a lot of noise. Obviously, if you're in near dark conditions you'll have no choice but to increase the gain. But I believe you should still be running in manual and making those decisions yourself, rather than running in auto and letting the camera "decide" when it needs to boost the gain.
White Wolf wrote:
> Ahh that might have been the problem. I was using high gain. I dont have > the luxury of doing a lot of in post editing due to the fact most of my > shoots are news related and they buy the video raw. So i have to have it > some what ok looking.
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Tim Selander <selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp > <mailto:selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp>> wrote:
> iris wide open will not increase noise. Using H gain, or even the
> middle setting, will introduce lots of noise.
> White Wolf wrote:
> > Thanks for the info. I`ll try 720/60p and i wont use H gain. I`ll
> mess
> > around and see if i can correct the problem. If i have the iris wide
> > open will that increase the noise?
I understand fully and i will take your advice. I`ll try to enhance my light
with the iris. I was using high gain and that explains all the noise. I also
set my camera to 720p/60p instead of 1080/60i. We will see how it works in
the field this evening. Thank you for the help.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Tim Selander <selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:
> Okay, but you should keep in mind that it is much easier to boost
> an under exposed shot up to decent levels in post, than rescue an
> over exposed shot. Running in high gain, you risk blowing out
> some highlights, and even if you bring the levels down acceptably
> in post, you will never get that lost detail back. If you can see
> the image you want in the viewfinder, but it's too dark with Gain
> at "L," the shot will ultimately be usable by your client. If you
> run the gain up to make the shot brighter over all, you introduce
> a lot of noise. Obviously, if you're in near dark conditions
> you'll have no choice but to increase the gain. But I believe you
> should still be running in manual and making those decisions
> yourself, rather than running in auto and letting the camera
> "decide" when it needs to boost the gain.
> My two cents.
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> White Wolf wrote:
> > Ahh that might have been the problem. I was using high gain. I dont have
> > the luxury of doing a lot of in post editing due to the fact most of my
> > shoots are news related and they buy the video raw. So i have to have it
> > some what ok looking.
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Tim Selander <selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp
> > <mailto:selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp>> wrote:
> > iris wide open will not increase noise. Using H gain, or even the
> > middle setting, will introduce lots of noise.
> > White Wolf wrote:
> > > Thanks for the info. I`ll try 720/60p and i wont use H gain. I`ll
> > mess
> > > around and see if i can correct the problem. If i have the iris
> wide
> > > open will that increase the noise?
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