I was hoping to borrow some of the soldering iron stations from
SplatSpace for the hardware hacking village at Hack3rCon this weekend.
It's in WV, but we can feel free to advertize SplatSpace. I'm just not
sure of the procedure to go through to check them out.
I would put it on tomorrow's meeting agenda (if there is one), and bring it up
for discussion at the meeting.
On 10/15/2012 03:16 PM, ronin wrote:
> I was hoping to borrow some of the soldering iron stations from
> SplatSpace for the hardware hacking village at Hack3rCon this weekend.
> It's in WV, but we can feel free to advertize SplatSpace. I'm just not
> sure of the procedure to go through to check them out.
> jp
-- Scott G. Hall
Raleigh, NC, USA
ScottGHa...@GMail.Com
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Scott Hall <scottgha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would put it on tomorrow's meeting agenda (if there is one), and bring
> it up
> for discussion at the meeting.
> On 10/15/2012 03:16 PM, ronin wrote:
> > I was hoping to borrow some of the soldering iron stations from
> > SplatSpace for the hardware hacking village at Hack3rCon this weekend.
> > It's in WV, but we can feel free to advertize SplatSpace. I'm just not
> > sure of the procedure to go through to check them out.
> > jp
> --
> Scott G. Hall
> Raleigh, NC, USA
> ScottGHa...@GMail.Com
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Scott Hall <scottgha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would put it on tomorrow's meeting agenda (if there is one), and bring
> it up
> for discussion at the meeting.
This may not be exactly what you meant, but I disagree with what I
interpret from that, namely that discussions of SplatSpace business belong
in a single-location, single-time event where even recording the decision
to make it available for later reference takes a non-trivial amount of
work. I would encourage folks to primarily discuss matters on the mailing
list (where full discussion transcripts are born digital), and if an
in-person vote is required, ideally the people voting will already have
seen the various arguments and be able to make a quick decision. (I also
think that we would do well to replace in-person voting with an online
system, but I haven't gotten around to evaluating the options.)
I for one think that the risks of taking soldering irons to be part of a
hacker convention hardware village are non-negligible but are probably
outweighed by the benefits, which I see as us being able to fill a hacker
community need and hopefully a bit of advertising.
I agree with the sentiment that most of the discussion of issues could
(should?) happen on the
list, so that the meeting and any voting become (hopefully) mostly
just a formality. It's 2012
already and we have all this great technology, let's use it.
Also, I'm OK with the idea of loaning some soldering stations to this
effort, as long as whoever
takes them out of the space accepts responsibility for them, and makes
sure that they aren't needed
during the proposed loan period. For example, if we had a kit
building workshop coming up at
the space, that would - IMO - trump an external use. But lacking
something like that, I don't see a problem.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Christopher Covington <c...@vt.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Scott Hall <scottgha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would put it on tomorrow's meeting agenda (if there is one), and bring
>> it up
>> for discussion at the meeting.
> This may not be exactly what you meant, but I disagree with what I interpret
> from that, namely that discussions of SplatSpace business belong in a
> single-location, single-time event where even recording the decision to make
> it available for later reference takes a non-trivial amount of work. I would
> encourage folks to primarily discuss matters on the mailing list (where full
> discussion transcripts are born digital), and if an in-person vote is
> required, ideally the people voting will already have seen the various
> arguments and be able to make a quick decision. (I also think that we would
> do well to replace in-person voting with an online system, but I haven't
> gotten around to evaluating the options.)
> I for one think that the risks of taking soldering irons to be part of a
> hacker convention hardware village are non-negligible but are probably
> outweighed by the benefits, which I see as us being able to fill a hacker
> community need and hopefully a bit of advertising.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Christopher Covington wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Scott Hall <scottgha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would put it on tomorrow's meeting agenda (if there is one), and bring
> > it up
> > for discussion at the meeting.
> This may not be exactly what you meant, but I disagree with what I
> interpret from that, namely that discussions of SplatSpace business belong
> in a single-location, single-time event where even recording the decision
> to make it available for later reference takes a non-trivial amount of
> work. I would encourage folks to primarily discuss matters on the mailing
> list (where full discussion transcripts are born digital), and if an
> in-person vote is required, ideally the people voting will already have
> seen the various arguments and be able to make a quick decision. (I also
> think that we would do well to replace in-person voting with an online
> system, but I haven't gotten around to evaluating the options.)
+1 to this and to Phil's comments.
This is actually how MIBS, the simplified rules of coordinated consensus
that we supposedly follow for our meetings, are supposed to work.
Discuss online and come to consensus before a meeting. Anything that
needs to be voted on takes place at the official first meeting of the
month. This way, we don't waste precious in-person, face-to-face time
with discussions that could be handled electronically.
[FWIW, I'd be open to an online voting system, too, but I have some
opinion on what it should and shouldn't do, and I haven't seen anything
lightweight (think Doodle) that would fit the bill. Also haven't taken
any real time to search one out.]
> I for one think that the risks of taking soldering irons to be part of a
> hacker convention hardware village are non-negligible but are probably
> outweighed by the benefits, which I see as us being able to fill a hacker
> community need and hopefully a bit of advertising.
I agree that in this case the benefits in this case probably outweigh
the risks, and I'm in favor of allowing JP to take a small number of
soldering irons and maybe a 3rd hand tool or two. As long as he's
personally responsible for them if they get damaged, which I assume he
will have no problem with.
FYI - JP and I were looking at the irons last night. He wouldn't be
taking either of the nice ones from the electronics bench. He's looking
at the red Weller irons that we have 8-10 of that we got from Element 14
for participating in the Hackerspace Challenge.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Mike Broome <mbro...@employees.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Christopher Covington wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Scott Hall <scottgha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > I would put it on tomorrow's meeting agenda (if there is one), and
> bring
> > > it up
> > > for discussion at the meeting.
> > This may not be exactly what you meant, but I disagree with what I
> > interpret from that, namely that discussions of SplatSpace business
> belong
> > in a single-location, single-time event where even recording the decision
> > to make it available for later reference takes a non-trivial amount of
> > work. I would encourage folks to primarily discuss matters on the mailing
> > list (where full discussion transcripts are born digital), and if an
> > in-person vote is required, ideally the people voting will already have
> > seen the various arguments and be able to make a quick decision. (I also
> > think that we would do well to replace in-person voting with an online
> > system, but I haven't gotten around to evaluating the options.)
> +1 to this and to Phil's comments.
> This is actually how MIBS, the simplified rules of coordinated consensus
> that we supposedly follow for our meetings, are supposed to work.
> Discuss online and come to consensus before a meeting. Anything that
> needs to be voted on takes place at the official first meeting of the
> month. This way, we don't waste precious in-person, face-to-face time
> with discussions that could be handled electronically.
> [FWIW, I'd be open to an online voting system, too, but I have some
> opinion on what it should and shouldn't do, and I haven't seen anything
> lightweight (think Doodle) that would fit the bill. Also haven't taken
> any real time to search one out.]
I agree with what has been said above. I like the idea of having a
separate space where voting can occur. It would be nice if "agenda item
discussions" could be flagged somehow so that they stand out from the rest
of the nattering that occurs on the list (which I also support) so it's
easy to identify.
> > I for one think that the risks of taking soldering irons to be part of a
> > hacker convention hardware village are non-negligible but are probably
> > outweighed by the benefits, which I see as us being able to fill a hacker
> > community need and hopefully a bit of advertising.
> I agree that in this case the benefits in this case probably outweigh
> the risks, and I'm in favor of allowing JP to take a small number of
> soldering irons and maybe a 3rd hand tool or two. As long as he's
> personally responsible for them if they get damaged, which I assume he
> will have no problem with.
> FYI - JP and I were looking at the irons last night. He wouldn't be
> taking either of the nice ones from the electronics bench. He's looking
> at the red Weller irons that we have 8-10 of that we got from Element 14
> for participating in the Hackerspace Challenge.
And now I know how we got the soldering irons. +1 to sending them with JP.
Can we get some blue vinyl splats (and/or qr codes) stuck on the sides of
them in time?
So, it looks like people are okay with checking out the equipment for
the weekend. (To be returned next week.) I have borrowed 5 of the
orange Weller soldering irons and 2 of the clippers with blue handles.
(Which is about half) I also grabbed one of the SplatSpace vinyl
banners to put up with the equipment for promo. I'll take
responsibility on getting everything back in the same condition.
Also, a lot of InfoSec/Hacker conferences are starting to have hardware
hacking villages. It may be worth volunteering to host the hardware
areas at the cons. They normally let hackerspaces teach instructional
classes and sell kits.
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Christopher Covington wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Scott Hall <scottgha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I would put it on tomorrow's meeting agenda (if there is one), and bring
>>> it up
>>> for discussion at the meeting.
>> This may not be exactly what you meant, but I disagree with what I
>> interpret from that, namely that discussions of SplatSpace business belong
>> in a single-location, single-time event where even recording the decision
>> to make it available for later reference takes a non-trivial amount of
>> work. I would encourage folks to primarily discuss matters on the mailing
>> list (where full discussion transcripts are born digital), and if an
>> in-person vote is required, ideally the people voting will already have
>> seen the various arguments and be able to make a quick decision. (I also
>> think that we would do well to replace in-person voting with an online
>> system, but I haven't gotten around to evaluating the options.)
> +1 to this and to Phil's comments.
> This is actually how MIBS, the simplified rules of coordinated consensus
> that we supposedly follow for our meetings, are supposed to work.
> Discuss online and come to consensus before a meeting. Anything that
> needs to be voted on takes place at the official first meeting of the
> month. This way, we don't waste precious in-person, face-to-face time
> with discussions that could be handled electronically.
> [FWIW, I'd be open to an online voting system, too, but I have some
> opinion on what it should and shouldn't do, and I haven't seen anything
> lightweight (think Doodle) that would fit the bill. Also haven't taken
> any real time to search one out.]
>> I for one think that the risks of taking soldering irons to be part of a
>> hacker convention hardware village are non-negligible but are probably
>> outweighed by the benefits, which I see as us being able to fill a hacker
>> community need and hopefully a bit of advertising.
> I agree that in this case the benefits in this case probably outweigh
> the risks, and I'm in favor of allowing JP to take a small number of
> soldering irons and maybe a 3rd hand tool or two. As long as he's
> personally responsible for them if they get damaged, which I assume he
> will have no problem with.
> FYI - JP and I were looking at the irons last night. He wouldn't be
> taking either of the nice ones from the electronics bench. He's looking
> at the red Weller irons that we have 8-10 of that we got from Element 14
> for participating in the Hackerspace Challenge.
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:30 PM, ronin <ro...@shadowcave.org> wrote:
> So, it looks like people are okay with checking out the equipment for
> the weekend. (To be returned next week.) I have borrowed 5 of the
> orange Weller soldering irons and 2 of the clippers with blue handles.
> (Which is about half) I also grabbed one of the SplatSpace vinyl
> banners to put up with the equipment for promo. I'll take
> responsibility on getting everything back in the same condition.
> Also, a lot of InfoSec/Hacker conferences are starting to have hardware
> hacking villages. It may be worth volunteering to host the hardware
> areas at the cons. They normally let hackerspaces teach instructional
> classes and sell kits.
> jp
> On 10/16/2012 01:11 PM, Mike Broome wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Christopher Covington wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Scott Hall <scottgha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I would put it on tomorrow's meeting agenda (if there is one), and bring
>>>> it up
>>>> for discussion at the meeting.
>>> This may not be exactly what you meant, but I disagree with what I
>>> interpret from that, namely that discussions of SplatSpace business belong
>>> in a single-location, single-time event where even recording the decision
>>> to make it available for later reference takes a non-trivial amount of
>>> work. I would encourage folks to primarily discuss matters on the mailing
>>> list (where full discussion transcripts are born digital), and if an
>>> in-person vote is required, ideally the people voting will already have
>>> seen the various arguments and be able to make a quick decision. (I also
>>> think that we would do well to replace in-person voting with an online
>>> system, but I haven't gotten around to evaluating the options.)
>> +1 to this and to Phil's comments.
>> This is actually how MIBS, the simplified rules of coordinated consensus
>> that we supposedly follow for our meetings, are supposed to work.
>> Discuss online and come to consensus before a meeting. Anything that
>> needs to be voted on takes place at the official first meeting of the
>> month. This way, we don't waste precious in-person, face-to-face time
>> with discussions that could be handled electronically.
>> [FWIW, I'd be open to an online voting system, too, but I have some
>> opinion on what it should and shouldn't do, and I haven't seen anything
>> lightweight (think Doodle) that would fit the bill. Also haven't taken
>> any real time to search one out.]
>>> I for one think that the risks of taking soldering irons to be part of a
>>> hacker convention hardware village are non-negligible but are probably
>>> outweighed by the benefits, which I see as us being able to fill a hacker
>>> community need and hopefully a bit of advertising.
>> I agree that in this case the benefits in this case probably outweigh
>> the risks, and I'm in favor of allowing JP to take a small number of
>> soldering irons and maybe a 3rd hand tool or two. As long as he's
>> personally responsible for them if they get damaged, which I assume he
>> will have no problem with.
>> FYI - JP and I were looking at the irons last night. He wouldn't be
>> taking either of the nice ones from the electronics bench. He's looking
>> at the red Weller irons that we have 8-10 of that we got from Element 14
>> for participating in the Hackerspace Challenge.
