18West tile mix
Chris Shaffer
#401, and #447 and addition of 3 x #6 and 2 x #57 per the 0.4.5 read
me?
I realize this might be a production thing and not needed yet, but
several people as GenCon asked if the lack of #5 was intentional, so I
thought I'd verify that all #5 tiles are moved, or should it just be a
reduction of one #5 tile from the mix?
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Chris
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David G.D. Hecht
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From: "Chris Shaffer" <chris....@gmail.com>
To: "dtg-proto" <dtg-...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: [dtg-proto] 18West tile mix
>
> Will the tiles eventually be updated to reflect the removal of the #5,
> #401, and #447 and addition of 3 x #6 and 2 x #57 per the 0.4.5 read
> me?
>
> I realize this might be a production thing and not needed yet, but
> several people as GenCon asked if the lack of #5 was intentional, so I
> thought I'd verify that all #5 tiles are moved, or should it just be a
> reduction of one #5 tile from the mix?
>
The tilesheet file is the only one over which I have no control, since John
generates it using his own software. I've considered making a small plus-up
sheet, but I'm waiting for him to come up for air: he seems to have been
pretty busy lately, as I haven't actually heard from him since MidSumCon.
The short answer is, there are no narrow curve yellow tiles of any sort in
the game any longer: there are only broad curves and straights. The actual
count of yellow City tiles is three #6 and two #57. At present there are
only four locations where these tiles can be placed (Dago, Austin/San
Antone, and the two Springfields), and one of them (Dago) will only take a
#6. It's certainly possible for all three to be used (and none upgraded) at
the exact moment the SP or TP needs to drop one in Dago: the obvious
solution is to build around, upgrading LA to green.
John A. Tamplin
> The tilesheet file is the only one over which I have no control, since John
> generates it using his own software. I've considered making a small plus-up
> sheet, but I'm waiting for him to come up for air: he seems to have been
> pretty busy lately, as I haven't actually heard from him since MidSumCon.
>
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Chris Shaffer
> > The tilesheet file is the only one over which I have no control, since John
> > generates it using his own software. I've considered making a small plus-up
> > sheet, but I'm waiting for him to come up for air: he seems to have been
> > pretty busy lately, as I haven't actually heard from him since MidSumCon.
> >
> Sorry, I will get to it tomorrow night.
You don't need to hurry on my regard. I was just curious about the
intended tile mix.
I just realized we accidentally left tile 401 in the mix which meant
San Diego was $30 as yellow instead of $20. Changing that to the
correct tile should slow down both the Southern and the TP just a bit,
which is a good thing.
Barzai
(you'll pardon the expression) track the number of tiles they use
(mostly yellow but green as well if that's OK). I think I can cut down
the mix of plain and dot town tiles (I'm OK with the cities) slightly,
and of course, every component you take out is a little less cost for
the consumer: so you have an interest in the outcome.
Thanx in advance! :-)
sevensterre
those brown tiles would open things up a little when the browns came
out. A friend of mine played the Beta at Gen Con and noticed some
would try to wall off a area by doing certain green upgrades.
On Aug 21, 12:11 pm, Barzai <bar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> BTW while we're on the subject of tiles, I'd like to ask people to
> (you'll pardon the expression) track the number of tiles they use
> (mostly yellow but green as well if that's OK). I think I can cut down
> the mix of plain and dot town tiles (I'm OK with the cities) slightly,
> and of course, every component you take out is a little less cost for
> the consumer: so you have an interest in the outcome.
>
> Thanx in advance! :-)
I will try to keep track in the game we play next Sunday.
Kevin Lorenz
David G.D. Hecht
of fact it is a tremendous concession on my part to allow green plain track:
in the original design, there wasn't any. The intent of the game has always
been for each company to develop its own network across the country, just
like in real life. I've had to make some concessions but I simply refuse to
wind up with a situation where everyone is vampiring into everyone else's
network.
I agree that it's possible to block people with the current track. But that
will be true even if I include the brown upgrades.
I suppose I need hardly point out that now that you are aware that the
grangers aren't involved in the process, there won't be nearly as many
builds anyhow.
Richard Clyne
holiday. As such I may be referring to something that has changed in
the most recent set of rules.
I have played one game of 18West where the graingers were allowed to
upgrade to green track. In that game the track in the eastern zone
of the board was almost fully upgraded as the graingers had so many
upgrades and so little to do. As such almost all plain track hexes
were upgraded to wall off 'undesirables' from having access to
Chicago. Also during this period the Land Grant companies were not
surprisingly concentrating on building to their destination. This
meant that the graingers essentially defined the layout of the
railways east of the Mississippi.
This will be slightly slowed down by the rule change that the green
tiles are only available when the first 3 is bought rather than at
the beginning of OR2.
Of course all of this is based on plays of the game without using the
latest rules. If it is no longer relevant, please ignore it.
Richard
David G.D. Hecht
(1) helping their big brothers have access to the East, and (2) helping
themselves have access to the West.
I expect there will always be an impetus to cut off communications to
frustrate other companies. The question as always is, does this impetus turn
out to be more attractive than the contrary impetus, which is to open things
up? That's a question which revolves around the strategic implications of
the two approaches, not tile availability. Adding brown tiles to the mix
simply puts off the evil day one tile generation: you can't solve a
strategic dilemma by adding tactical options.
I will only have failed if, in the end, everyone is following the exact same
strategy. As long as there is some tension between the builders and the
blockers, I will be pretty happy. And if I add brown plain track, we will go
back to the era in development where the entire eastern area was a dense
pack of brown tiles (they were mostly dot towns, under the rules as they
then existed) and everyone is following the same tortuous route.
Yes, this means there will be games where some companies son't have access
to New York via Chicago or St. Louis (gasp!). It may even mean there are
some games where some companies don't have an E-W run at all. Oh, the
humanity!
Well, guess what? That's almost systematically true now of the UP, unless
you go out of your way to prepare for it (by buying up the CRIP or the MR
and either CBQ or CNW). Yes, that makes the UP a weaker company (along with
its lack of either x2 or B tokens). Well, not all companies are created
equal: that's no different in this game than in any other game. Can you win
in 1830 with just the NY&NH and the B&M? Maybe--but it's an uphill struggle,
unless you contrive to pick off two 5-trains.
sevensterre
On Aug 21, 11:32 pm, "David G.D. Hecht" <bar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> No, I have decided not to include brown upgrades for plain track. In point
> of fact it is a tremendous concession on my part to allow green plain track:
> in the original design, there wasn't any. The intent of the game has always
> been for each company to develop its own network across the country, just
> like in real life. I've had to make some concessions but I simply refuse to
> wind up with a situation where everyone is vampiring into everyone else's
> network.
That's not a bad design goal. It's nice to know your intent. I'm
less likely to make coments that are off Target that way.
> I suppose I need hardly point out that now that you are aware that the
> grangers aren't involved in the process, there won't be nearly as many
> builds anyhow.
That will make a big diferace this Sunday.
Kevin Lorenz
P.S. Beside's tile usage are there any other areas you're looking
feedback on.
David G.D. Hecht
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From: "sevensterre" <klo...@new.rr.com>
To: "dtg-proto" <dtg-...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: [dtg-proto] Re: 18West tile mix
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Always looking for areas where the game either is or can be broken. Always
looking for companies that are systemically unsat--so poor they're never
worth opening (a position held, succcessively, by Frisco/Cotton Belt and
more recently Katy among the Grangers; variously UP, and GN/DRG among the
bigs).