[dorkbotpdx-blabber] Bus Pirate group order?

[Aaron Eiche]

Hey folks, 

After Jared's presentation last night, there was some discussion of a group order of Bus pirates, or a group order of boards and components. I had to leave... Did anything more happen with that? After getting a better understanding of what the Bus Pirate is, I'm really interested in getting one. 

Who's interested in doing a group order for components?

Who's interested in just getting a pre-built one?

thanks

[Donald Delmar Davis]

On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Aaron Eiche wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> After Jared's presentation last night, there was some discussion of
> a group order of Bus pirates, or a group order of boards and
> components. I had to leave... Did anything more happen with that?

Yes,
We had you paged so we could give you a dorkboard to test on. But you
were gone....
:)

> After getting a better understanding of what the Bus Pirate is, I'm
> really interested in getting one.
>
> Who's interested in doing a group order for components?
> Who's interested in just getting a pre-built one?
>

It would be nice if we could get this american manufactured if we are
going to group it.

my 20 pfennigs.

> thanks
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[Jared Boone]

On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Donald Delmar Davis wrote:

> It would be nice if we could get this american manufactured if we are going to group it.

Don, I think the only option there is SparkFun (who claims in their product listing to build them in-house). Adafruit also has Bus Pirates, but their copy seems to suggest they're reselling units from SeeedStudio (in China). I'd e-mail Adafruit, but I'm too lazy... :-)

I'm a bit nervous about the SparkFun version, because it looks like either an old revision or a redesign. Based on several past, bad experiences with SparkFun-designed devices, I'd rather get one somewhere else.

- Jared

[Brian Collins]

I would second that Re: the sparkfun version. They also reversed the connector, so that the color codes are different from the Seeed Studio version. After having used the sparkfun version for some time, I finally bought a real Bus Pirate, and I feel much better about it. :)

The Adafruit version is definitely the original Bus Pirate, which means Ian Lesnet (the Bus Pirate creator) is getting paid for his work (always a good thing!)

[Aaron Eiche]

There is a Dangerous Prototypes page that outlines the differences between the recent models:

http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate_v4_vs_v3_comparison 

I'm all for doing a group order of components and reflowing them ourselves. I actually have a Bus Pirate PCB I got from Laen a while back. For the new version, I think the cost for 3 boards would be ~$10. 

I'll throw in a +1 for the creator getting paid for his hard work, but I'm more interested in reflowing the board myself.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Jared Boone <jbo...@earfeast.com> wrote:

[Scott Dixon]

I already have a Bus Pirate so perhaps I shouldn't comment here since I wouldn't participate in a group order. But I do like the work that Ian Lesnet and the DangeroutPrototypes.com crew are doing in developing the Bus Pirate and other neat OSHW stuff. So I would definitely like to see him get some money out of a group order. They do a lot of support of the Bus Pirate (including developing the firmware that you will need if you build your own). I'm all for reflowing boards and such, but if it comes down to a choice between building/reflowing your own or buying from SeeedStudios and knowing that DangerousPrototypes gets some money, I'd choose the buy from China (Seeed) option in this case. Or maybe build your own but kick some money Ian's way?
I am pretty sure that SparkFun do also give Ian a cut from sales of their version of the Bus Pirate. But I've heard that people have had problems with outdated firmware on the SparkFun version as well as the reversed connector issue already mentioned. So that might not be the best approach.
My $0.02
-scott

[Donald Delmar Davis]

I am in for two if we go this route. The fab stays in the states and the creator gets some dough.

I like it. 

On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Aaron Eiche wrote:

[Aaron Eiche]

Anyone know what the overhead to Seedstudio or Sparkfun is? 

[Russell Senior]

>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Eiche <aaron...@gmail.com> writes:

Aaron> There is a Dangerous Prototypes page that outlines the
Aaron> differences between the recent models:

Aaron>
Aaron> http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate_v4_vs_v3_comparison

Aaron> I'm all for doing a group order of components and reflowing
Aaron> them ourselves. I actually have a Bus Pirate PCB I got from
Aaron> Laen a while back. For the new version, I think the cost for 3
Aaron> boards would be ~$10. I'll throw in a +1 for the creator
Aaron> getting paid for his hard work, but I'm more interested in
Aaron> reflowing the board myself.

If we go v4, I'd be in for one (maybe two).

--
Russell Senior, President
rus...@personaltelco.net

[Greg Peek]

First, let me say that Jared did an extremely good job in his presentation.  He sold a big portion of the crowd on getting a Bus Pirate.

Ian of Danerous Prototypes seems very OK with folks making his design.  I'd rank him as one of the most open of the OSH designers.  It would be a nice gesture to send him some $ or perhaps give him a "Dorkbotpdx" version of Bus Pirate.

Dangerous Prototypes has really good documentation.  He even provides a link to Mouser for all of the parts, so it was easy to get pricing.

For quantity one:
V 3.5 is  $9.92 parts cost
V 4.0 is $15.25 parts cost
PCB from @laen would be $5.78 each ($17.35 / 3)

If we order >10, the cost will likely go down a dollar or so per unit.  The savings could be our donation to Ian (or be used to finance a board for him).
So the math says we can get a bag of parts at half the cost of a finished, tested unit from Seeed.  Low volume local contract manufacturing would increase the cost far above Seeed Studios price.

V 3.5 vs V 4.0 summary:

• V 4.0 uses a PIC with built-in USB instead of FTDI USB-serial, so it can transfer data about 10X faster. 
• V 4.0 PIC24FJ256 has a lot more Flash and RAM space than the PIC24FJ64 on the V 3.5
  
• V 4.0 has a 12 pin header to support openOCD JTAG, V 3.5 has 10 pins (pin order is completely different)

V 4.0 a few other minor new features.  Check the link.http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate_v4_vs_v3_comparison

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I'd prefer the V4.0 as it will eventually have features that the V3.5 won't be able to duplicate.

We could do a mixed build of 3.5 and 4.0 if there are folks with a strong preference for both.


Proposal:  We group manufacture this ourselves.

I would be willing to coordinate a group order for the parts, and send in the PCB order to @laen. (US fabs!)

Perhaps someone with Eagle CAD could do a custom Dorkbotpdx silk screen. (or we could have a contest...)

Could someone (with access to ADX perhaps) make us a solder stencil?

Can I talk Jim and/or Scott into volunteering to organize a reflow party for everyone to gather to build their boards?

We also need someone with a PIC programmer.

[Travis Smith]

I’m in for one v4.0 board if we go with this approach.

 

I would also donate a couple mylar stencils cut on my Silhouette Cameo cutter.  I haven’t seen one close up, but doesn’t look like there’s anything less than 0.5mm pitch, correct?  Shouldn’t be a problem.

 

                                -Travis

[Paul Stoffregen]

I'm in for 1 board, if it's version 4.

[Aaron Eiche]

I'm also in for a v4 board.

[Monty Goodson]

I'm in for a v4 as well.

A group build and some kickback to the developer sounds good.

Monty

[Laen]

If you're all okay waiting for the medium run (which would be back in about a month from now), I'll make the PCBs for free.  I just need to know how many to make.

[Scott Dixon]

I'd be willing to wait and then I would be in for one V4. I'd also be happy to help conduct a "build party", maybe even in conjunction with another SMD workshop if we can find a place to do it (and under the condition that we send some money to DangerousPrototypes). If we get the boards for free, I'd also vote for being more generous to the developer. Only seems fair. And maybe we could video some of it and send it to DangerousPrototypes. They might enjoy it and perhaps use it on their site.
-scott
On Feb 1, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Laen wrote:

> If you're all okay waiting for the medium run (which would be back in about a month from now), I'll make the PCBs for free. I just need to know how many to make._______________________________________________

[Jason Barnett]

I'm in for a couple v4s as well. Ditto on the contribution to DP.

Jason B.

[Monty Goodson]

I'm not in a big hurry either, and would gladly add my hot plate setup to the build party.

Monty

[Aaron Eiche]

We're up above 10. Maybe we should set a cutoff date and a post up on dorkbotpdx.org? I'd be interested in a few blank PCBs for the future as well.

I can bring my hotplate too (Though I'm not available on Sundays)

[Dave Edick]

Add me to the list for one Bus Pirate also.

Maybe we could also make testclip breakout cables like Adafruit sells?

--
/Dave Edick/  dave....@gmail.com 

[Greg Peek]

I'm writing down your names.

@laen says the gerbers have to be in his hands by February 10th.

Should I assume PIC programmers will be no problem and will arrive at the build party? (I do not have one)

Aaron, could you make the announcement on dorkbotpdx? 

Would we take "orders" from folks outside PDX that see that announcement?  I think the logistics could be tough (taking payments, stuffing envelopes), and I am not entirely comfortable competing with the usual channels for Bus Pirate beyond it being a project for Dorkbotpdx.  Maybe if it was limited to blank PCB's for DIY'ers that source their own parts, and we pay @laen for those boards and take a bit for Ian as well, and someone else volunteers to handle the mailing, and... yeah.  Too much trouble and not enough time to plan it.

The silkscreen changes are still an open. Technically I can do it, but I'm artistically challenged.  I was thinking of some sort of design contest, but there isn't a lot of time.

[Donald Delmar Davis]

I have a pickit2 and pickit3 that I can bring.

[Travis Smith]

Ditto on the hotplate setup availability and not in a hurry.

Thank you Laen for the PCB offer!

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[Aaron Eiche]

I'll have a post up on dorkbotpdx within the hour.

[Aaron Eiche]

Allright, I've posted it, but I don't have rights to promote it to the front page. Little help?

[Aaron Eiche]

Regarding ribbon cables - Mouser has 1ft lengths of Rainbow ribbons for $.53 each. The Bus Pirate v4 is a 12 pin connector, and 12-wire ribbons cables are apparently uncommon at mouser. I priced the 14-wire

The clips are bit more spendy, unless I'm missing an obvious option - they're about $1.50 each, and available in a wide variety of colors.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Paul Stoffregen <pa...@pjrc.com> wrote:

On 02/01/2012 01:25 PM, Blain C wrote:

Sadly, i cant spare any money or id be in for one too. I blew it all on a new teensy++ from paul on monday. XD

You could try programming it with the Bus Ninja code.....

http://blog.hodgepig.org/busninja/

[Brad Burleson]

> On Feb 1, 2012 10:53 AM, "Aaron Eiche" <aaron...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>

>> I'm also in for a v4 board.

I'm in for a v4 board as well, and I really like the idea of having
some sort of custom artwork on the board.

I'm also in for a donation to Ian and maybe it's too much, but I think
it would be cool to send him a board as well as some cash, assuming we
have some sort of artwork on it - I imagine he's got plenty of "stock"
bus pirates around.

Brad.

PS Hopefully I'll have my hotplate working as well for use.

[Donald Delmar Davis]

Done. It was already promoted. Now its sticky as well. 

[Alex Norman]

count me in for one as well.

-Alex

[Paul Stoffregen]

On 02/01/2012 01:25 PM, Blain C wrote:

Sadly, i cant spare any money or id be in for one too. I blew it all on a new teensy++ from paul on monday. XD

You could try programming it with the Bus Ninja code.....

http://blog.hodgepig.org/busninja/

On Feb 1, 2012 10:53 AM, "Aaron Eiche" <aaron...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm also in for a v4 board.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Paul Stoffregen <pa...@pjrc.com> wrote:

I'm in for 1 board, if it's version 4.

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First, let me say that Jared did an extremely good job in his presentation.� He sold a big portion of the crowd on getting a Bus Pirate.

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For quantity one:
V 3.5 is� $9.92 parts cost

V 4.0 is $15.25 parts cost
PCB from @laen would be $5.78 each ($17.35 / 3)

If we order >10, the cost will likely go down a dollar or so per unit.� The savings could be our donation to Ian (or be used to finance a board for him).
So the math says we can get a bag of parts at half the cost of a finished, tested unit from Seeed.� Low volume local contract manufacturing would increase the cost far above Seeed Studios price.

V 3.5 vs V 4.0 summary:

• V 4.0 uses a PIC with built-in USB instead of FTDI USB-serial, so it can transfer data about 10X faster.�

• V 4.0 PIC24FJ256 has a lot more Flash and RAM space than the PIC24FJ64 on the V 3.5
• V 4.0 has a 12 pin header to support openOCD JTAG, V 3.5 has 10 pins (pin order is completely different)

V 4.0 a few other minor new features.� Check the link.http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate_v4_vs_v3_comparison

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I'd prefer the V4.0 as it will eventually have features that the V3.5 won't be able to duplicate.

We could do a mixed build of 3.5 and 4.0 if there are folks with a strong preference for both.

Proposal:� We group manufacture this ourselves.

I would be willing to coordinate a group order for the parts, and send in the PCB order to @laen. (US fabs!)

Perhaps someone with Eagle CAD could do a custom Dorkbotpdx silk screen. (or we could have a contest...)

Could someone (with access to ADX perhaps) make us a solder stencil?

Can I talk Jim and/or Scott into volunteering to organize a reflow party for everyone to gather to build their boards?

We also need someone with a PIC programmer.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Aaron Eiche <aaron...@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Donald Delmar Davis wrote:

> It would be nice if we could get this american manufactured if we are going to group it.

Don, I think the only option there is SparkFun (who claims in their product listing to build them in-house). Adafruit also has Bus Pirates, but their copy seems to suggest they're reselling units from SeeedStudio (in China). I'd e-mail Adafruit, but I'm too lazy... :-)

I'm a bit nervous about the SparkFun version, because it looks like either an old revision or a redesign. Based on several past, bad experiences with SparkFun-designed devices, I'd rather get one somewhere else.

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[Blain C]

Sadly, i cant spare any money or id be in for one too. I blew it all on a new teensy++ from paul on monday. XD

[Joshua Boelter]

Ditto on a v4 -- and this would be a great opportunity for an SMD class since I couldn't get in the first one.

Happy to donate to the developer since I was planning on buying one anyway.

[Jesse Michael]

On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 11:33:37AM -0800, Scott Dixon wrote:
> I'd be willing to wait and then I would be in for one V4. I'd also be happy to help conduct a "build party", maybe even in conjunction with another SMD workshop if we can find a place to do it (and under the condition that we send some money to DangerousPrototypes). If we get the boards for free, I'd also vote for being more generous to the developer. Only seems fair. And maybe we could video some of it and send it to DangerousPrototypes. They might enjoy it and perhaps use it on their site.

I'm up for one V4 along with a donation to Ian.

I'd also be interested in another SMD workshop if possible. The last one filled up pretty quick.

Thanks,
-Jesse

[Russell Senior]

>>>>> "Russell" == Russell Senior <rus...@personaltelco.net> writes:

>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Eiche <aaron...@gmail.com> writes:
Aaron> There is a Dangerous Prototypes page that outlines the
Aaron> differences between the recent models:

Aaron>
Aaron> http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate_v4_vs_v3_comparison

Aaron> I'm all for doing a group order of components and reflowing
Aaron> them ourselves. I actually have a Bus Pirate PCB I got from
Aaron> Laen a while back. For the new version, I think the cost for 3
Aaron> boards would be ~$10. I'll throw in a +1 for the creator
Aaron> getting paid for his hard work, but I'm more interested in
Aaron> reflowing the board myself.

Russell> If we go v4, I'd be in for one (maybe two).

I can offer my hotplate rig for a board baking party.

[Greg Peek]

Aaron and all
I found 12-pin shrouded headers, but not 12-pin IDC sockets to mate to them.  I don't think they even exist.

We could use 14-pin headers and cut two pins off so the header will insert in the board, and ribbons cable will plug in nicely.  Or use 12 pin headers without a shroud. Or (dare I say it) add two more holes to the PCB.

Test hooks are available from places like dealextreme http://www.dealextreme.com/p/electrical-wire-testing-hooks-10-pack-8391 for $2.30/10, but only in black at dealextreme. 

[Scott Dixon]

On Feb 1, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Greg Peek wrote:

> Aaron and all
> I found 12-pin shrouded headers, but not 12-pin IDC sockets to mate to them. I don't think they even exist.

This is a bit of an unexpected design issue with the V4. See this thread:
http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3482
Apparently 12 pin keyed IDC plugs for the shrouded header are pretty hard to find. Who knew?

>
> We could use 14-pin headers and cut two pins off so the header will insert in the board, and ribbons cable will plug in nicely. Or use 12 pin headers without a shroud. Or (dare I say it) add two more holes to the PCB.

Yeah, it might be a good idea to just go with 2x7 pin hardware and add two more holes. Grounding them would probably be a good idea. But this would end up being incompatible with any DP probe sets.

>
> Test hooks are available from places like dealextreme http://www.dealextreme.com/p/electrical-wire-testing-hooks-10-pack-8391 for $2.30/10, but only in black at dealextreme.

I'd caution against going with DealExtreme or other cheap Chinese test hooks. The ones from SeeedStudio are probably pretty typical of that ilk and they don't get very good reviews. I bought a set and don't find they stay hooked on very well. Unless rock bottom price is the overriding constraint, I'd suggest going with better quality. Pomona hooks (for example) are quite a bit more expensive but way, way less frustrating to use. I think the best thing is to have individual female pin headers on the ends. That way, you can either plug the probe wires into pin headers on your target or attach test clips (which are available with male pin headers).

[RLP]

If it is V4 count me in for two.

[Jim Larson]

Gotta have one of the V4's.

See more below.V 4.0 has a 12 pin header to support openOCD JTAG, V 3.5

has 10 pins (pin order is completely different)
>

> Proposal: We group manufacture this ourselves.
>
> I would be willing to coordinate a group order for the parts, and send
> in the PCB order to @laen. (US fabs!)

Thanks, Greg!

>
> Perhaps someone with Eagle CAD could do a custom Dorkbotpdx silk
> screen. (or we could have a contest...)

I'm willing to do this. Where's the link to the design files? I don't
have time to search for it.

If we have a decision on the JTAG pin count, I'll fix it also.

>
> Could someone (with access to ADX perhaps) make us a solder stencil?
>
> Can I talk Jim and/or Scott into volunteering to organize a reflow
> party for everyone to gather to build their boards?

I'll be delighted to do this. I'm not sure trying to combine it with
another class is a good plan, however. Maybe cramming in too much in one
time slot?

Also, I have plenty of paste and can set up a stenciling station.

-jim

[Jason Barnett]

I bought some of the hooks from Deal Extreme and a set from Seeed... Don't waste your money on either. They break, solder connections are tempermental at best, and you can't make anything cheaper.  Trust me (and Scott) it is worth it to get a decent set of test hooks.  Maybe we can get a bulk discount on some quality ones...

[Donald Delmar Davis]

I think the 14 pin suggestion along with a dorkbot logo makes sense.
People can populate a 12 pin if they like.

[Jason Plumb]

Greg,

Count me in for a V4 setup, and +1 for the 14-pin hole solution.

Thanks for organizing!

-jason

On 02/01/2012 05:17 PM, Greg Peek wrote:
> Aaron and all
> I found 12-pin shrouded headers, but not 12-pin IDC sockets to mate to
> them. I don't think they even exist.
>
> We could use 14-pin headers and cut two pins off so the header will
> insert in the board, and ribbons cable will plug in nicely. Or use 12
> pin headers without a shroud. Or (dare I say it) add two more holes to
> the PCB.
>
> Test hooks are available from places like dealextreme
> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/electrical-wire-testing-hooks-10-pack-8391
> for $2.30/10, but only in black at dealextreme.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Aaron Eiche <aaron...@gmail.com
> <mailto:aaron...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Regarding ribbon cables - Mouser has 1ft lengths of Rainbow ribbons
> for $.53 each. The Bus Pirate v4 is a 12 pin connector, and 12-wire
> ribbons cables are apparently uncommon at mouser. I priced the 14-wire
>
> The clips are bit more spendy, unless I'm missing an obvious option
> - they're about $1.50 each, and available in a wide variety of colors.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Paul Stoffregen <pa...@pjrc.com

> <mailto:pa...@pjrc.com>> wrote:
>
> __

> On 02/01/2012 01:25 PM, Blain C wrote:
>>
>> Sadly, i cant spare any money or id be in for one too. I blew
>> it all on a new teensy++ from paul on monday. XD
>>
>
> You could try programming it with the Bus Ninja code.....
>
> http://blog.hodgepig.org/busninja/
>
>
>
>> On Feb 1, 2012 10:53 AM, "Aaron Eiche" <aaron...@gmail.com

>> <mailto:aaron...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm also in for a v4 board.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Paul Stoffregen
>> <pa...@pjrc.com <mailto:pa...@pjrc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm in for 1 board, if it's version 4.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/01/2012 10:17 AM, Travis Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m in for one v4.0 board if we go with this approach.
>>>
>>> I would also donate a couple mylar stencils cut on my
>>> Silhouette Cameo cutter. I haven’t seen one close
>>> up, but doesn’t look like there’s anything less than
>>> 0.5mm pitch, correct? Shouldn’t be a problem.
>>>
>>> -Travis
>>>

>>> *From:*dorkbotpdx-bl...@dorkbot.org
>>> <mailto:dorkbotpdx-bl...@dorkbot.org>
>>> [mailto:dorkbotpdx-bl...@dorkbot.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Greg Peek
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:07 AM
>>> *To:* A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or)
>>> *Subject:* Re: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Bus Pirate group

>>> order?
>>>
>>> First, let me say that Jared did an extremely good
>>> job in his presentation. He sold a big portion of
>>> the crowd on getting a Bus Pirate.
>>>
>>> Ian of Danerous Prototypes seems very OK with folks
>>> making his design. I'd rank him as one of the most
>>> open of the OSH designers. It would be a nice
>>> gesture to send him some $ or perhaps give him a
>>> "Dorkbotpdx" version of Bus Pirate.
>>>
>>> Dangerous Prototypes has really good documentation.
>>> He even provides a link to Mouser for all of the
>>> parts, so it was easy to get pricing.
>>>
>>> For quantity one:
>>> V 3.5 is $9.92 parts cost
>>> V 4.0 is $15.25 parts cost
>>> PCB from @laen would be $5.78 each ($17.35 / 3)
>>>
>>> If we order >10, the cost will likely go down a
>>> dollar or so per unit. The savings could be our
>>> donation to Ian (or be used to finance a board for him).
>>> So the math says we can get a bag of parts at half
>>> the cost of a finished, tested unit from Seeed. Low
>>> volume local contract manufacturing would increase
>>> the cost far above Seeed Studios price.
>>>
>>> V 3.5 vs V 4.0 summary:
>>>

>>> * V 4.0 uses a PIC with built-in USB instead of

>>> FTDI USB-serial, so it can transfer data about
>>> 10X faster.

>>> * V 4.0 PIC24FJ256 has a lot more Flash and RAM

>>> space than the PIC24FJ64 on the V 3.5

>>> * V 4.0 has a 12 pin header to support openOCD

>>> JTAG, V 3.5 has 10 pins (pin order is
>>> completely different)
>>>
>>> V 4.0 a few other minor new features. Check the
>>> link.http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate_v4_vs_v3_comparison
>>>
>>> Translate from: English
>>>
>>> Allow phonetic typing
>>>
>>> Type text or a website address or translate a

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>>>
>>> Cancel <http://translate.google.com/?tr=t&hl=en>
>>>
>>> [ ]

>>>
>>> I'd prefer the V4.0 as it will eventually have
>>> features that the V3.5 won't be able to duplicate.
>>>
>>> We could do a mixed build of 3.5 and 4.0 if there are
>>> folks with a strong preference for both.
>>>
>>>
>>> Proposal: We group manufacture this ourselves.
>>>
>>> I would be willing to coordinate a group order for
>>> the parts, and send in the PCB order to @laen. (US fabs!)
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone with Eagle CAD could do a custom
>>> Dorkbotpdx silk screen. (or we could have a contest...)
>>>
>>> Could someone (with access to ADX perhaps) make us a
>>> solder stencil?
>>>
>>> Can I talk Jim and/or Scott into volunteering to
>>> organize a reflow party for everyone to gather to
>>> build their boards?
>>>
>>> We also need someone with a PIC programmer.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Aaron Eiche
>>> <aaron...@gmail.com

>>> <mailto:aaron...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone know what the overhead to Seedstudio or
>>> Sparkfun is?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Donald Delmar Davis
>>> <ddelma...@gmail.com

>>> <mailto:ddelma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am in for two if we go this route. The fab stays in
>>> the states and the creator gets some dough.
>>>
>>> I like it.
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Aaron Eiche wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a Dangerous Prototypes page that
>>> outlines the differences between the recent models:
>>>
>>> http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate_v4_vs_v3_comparison
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm all for doing a group order of components and
>>> reflowing them ourselves. I actually have a Bus
>>> Pirate PCB I got from Laen a while back. For the
>>> new version, I think the cost for 3 boards would
>>> be ~$10.
>>>
>>> I'll throw in a +1 for the creator getting paid
>>> for his hard work, but I'm more interested in
>>> reflowing the board myself.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Jared Boone
>>> <jbo...@earfeast.com

[Brad Burleson]

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Donald Delmar Davis
<ddelma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the 14 pin suggestion along with a dorkbot logo makes sense.
> People can populate a 12 pin if they like.

So this is probably stupid, but I don't suppose 16 pin connectors are available?

I was thinking you could put a pair of grounds on each end and still
be compatible with a 12 pin cable as well.

Just a thought,

Brad

PS I did see that http://www.futurlec.com/ConnIDC.shtml seems to list
the 12 bin headers and sockets, FWIW

[Brad Burleson]

And maybe this is even a worse suggestion (especially given that Laen
mentioned doing the PCB's for free) but what about grabbing the Eagle
files and making _slightly_ larger version that could be soldered by
hand?

I mean I looked at the Sparkfun version (v3.6) and I think if we
replaced the 0402 parts with 0603 (or ideally 0805) it would be fairly
simple to build the board without a hot-plate.

Heck, it looks like you could almost keep the same board size and just
move things around a bit (of course I didn't look at v4).

Might make bare PCBs a bit more useful for the community. Or maybe
everybody that could hand solder this already has a hotplate?

I'm just trying to think beyond the initial order.

Brad.

[Philip Odom]

Been following the discussion, and I thought I would chime in. The hardware available from the Dangerous Prototypes website doesn't appear to use anything smaller than 0603s for the passives, although it does include some quad resistor network packages, and the PIC is in 0.5 mm pitch QFP. You can SVN checkout the files at:

"svn checkout http://dangerous-prototypes-open-hardware.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Bus_Pirate/hardware/v4"

The latest version appears to be 4b (all of the v4 versions are mixed in this directory). There are gerbers and Eagle files.

One suggested improvement for hand soldering/placement would be footprints with better silkscreens for several of the components (passives, transistors, maybe a couple of others).

-Philip

[Monty Goodson]

smaller == better in my book :)

Seriously though, aren't all the components already 0603 or larger?
I'm looking at this:
http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate_v4_design_overview

Monty

[Brad Burleson]

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Monty Goodson <mon...@bittybot.com> wrote:
> smaller == better in my book :)

In general, yes ;-)

> Seriously though, aren't all the components already 0603 or larger?
> I'm looking at this:
> http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate_v4_design_overview

I guess that's what I get for only looking at Sparkfun - I was lazy,
sorry. Mea cupa.

Phillip's post expressed my idea better than my post really. I do
know time is short for any sort of changes though.

Just kinda thinking out loud.

[Scott Dixon]

I would caution against making many design changes to a board which goes straight into a large group order. Maybe it is just me, but I'd hate to end up with a big pile of scrap boards. Some silk screen editing and adding a couple more holes for the connector is about as far as it should go I think.

[Donald Delmar Davis]

BINGO!

[Greg Peek]

I also agree with Scott.  Keep changes to a minimum when ordering 30+ PCBs.  Actually, I would prefer not to make ANY changes whatsoever before a production run (but when has that ever happened).  But 2 pins and the silk screen seems minor enough.  What could go wrong?

Well, I'll tell you one thing that has already gone wrong.  One of the voltage regulators is end-of-life.  There should be compatible parts available.  I'll search today and send the PN's out for a double check by the group.

[Aaron Eiche]

We have to keep in mind we're ordering a Beta-ish product as it is. It's enumerated on the site several times that the v4 is not as stable as v3

Fewer changes = less potential problems in the future. That said, a couple of ground pins isn't going to hurt anyone (Famous last words...)

[Ward Cunningham]

It might be possible to contribute to this project by building in a couple of batches and making a few improvements each time. 

This could also be a good way to simply triple the amount of work involved.

[Aaron Eiche]

I'd suggest that would be a great idea for a smaller group project. Multiples of 3 work well :)

[Donald Delmar Davis]

 So,

Does anyone want take charge of coordinating the dorkbotpdx buspirate modifications so we can take this off of the mailing list?
Don.

[Jim Larson]

I've already opened my mouth and said I'll do this (a ways back), but if someone else is hot to do it, I'm fine with that.

But that doesn't mean we need to stop discussing it, does it?

                -jim

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[Donald Delmar Davis]

Thanks Jim

I mostly wanted to make sure that the action list was moderated and that we wound up with something that worked.

But no, discuss away, this is blabber after all.

Don.

PS: Anyone else up to the sjt at arms post? I have been told I have to resign in blood (in tripicate).

[Jim Larson]

Here is the link to the SVN.

What I want is version 4c, the brd file, the sch file, and the xls parts list. Problem is that I don't have much experience with SVN and I have had no success in checking the files out. Is there an SVN guru out there that could do this and just send me the three files? That would be a great help.

I'm also assuming I can edit these in Eagle 5.9. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Thanks! The sooner I get these the sooner I can make the changes.

            -jim

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[Jim Larson]

Here's the link:
http://code.google.com/p/dangerous-prototypes-open-hardware/source/browse/trunk/Bus_Pirate/hardware/?r=1619

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[Scott Dixon]

Jim-
I'm sending the Eagle files directly to you. They are Eagle 5 format. Also the BOM.
Scott

[Jim Larson]

Thanks, Scott. This is just what I needed!

-jim

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[Jim Larson]

What's the status of the part? Do we need to change the footprint?

Thanks.

        -jim

[Greg Peek]

Jim,
I found an exact match for that EOL regulator. 

Here is the list of folks that have signed up for the kit.

Total	27
Spares
Dangerous Prototypes	1
Greg Peek	1
Travis Smith	1
Paul Stoffregen	1
Aaron Eiche	1
Monty Goodson	1
James Neal	1
Scott Dixon	1
Jason Barnett	2
Dave Edick	1
Donald Delmar Davis	2
Brad Burleson	1
Alex Norman	1
Aaron Burt	1
Joshua Boelter	1
Jesse Michael	1
Russell Senior	1
RLP	2
Jim Larson	1
Walter Fenk	1
Cloyce D. Spradling	1
Medved, Josip	1
Bradon Kanyid	1
Mark Gross	1

[Jason Plumb]

I had wanted in on this order:
http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/2012-February/007063.html

but wasn't on your list.

-jason

On 02/04/2012 02:46 PM, Greg Peek wrote:
> Spares
> Dangerous Prototypes 1

[Jared Boone]

On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Greg Peek wrote:

Here is the list of folks that have signed up for the kit.

Hmmm... I'm sure I'll want a BPv4 sooner or later. Sign me up for one. I should also be available to help with hand- or reflow-assembly of kits.

- Jared

[Blain C]

I can help, if a build party gets set up, but I don't have the money
to get one of my own right now, as I said before. I have a couple or
three extra (non adjustable, sadly) soldering irons laying around if
they're needed. (If I can find them in my piles of moving boxes and
stuff.)

Blain C.

[Jim Larson]

OK Dorkies - Here's the status:

- I'm working with Version 4.1 of the Bus Pirate.
- You'll be able to put on either a 14 pin or 12 pin header.
- The Logo will have mention of Seeed Studio removed to be replaced by
DorkbotPDX.

I still have to run Laen's DRC to make sure things are OK. I'll post the
board for group review when it's ready. (Is that possible? Can the files
be posted to the DorkbotPDX site?)

One further thing. I'd like to add the DorkbotPDX logo to the back of
the board. But I need help.

Only one color is available, so the nifty shadow is a problem. Is there
an "Arty Type" (you know who you are) out there that can send me a
suitable version of the DorkbotPDX logo using only one color (that
should be black)? If someone could do that, I'll put it on the back of
the board (maybe front also if there's room). A large size image with
nice detail would be best. Have a look at the Instructable below for
some details on what I'll need.

TIA for any help!

-jim

[Monty Goodson]

I haven't seen the backside, so this may not work, but could you implement the shadow in copper?

Monty

[Jim Larson]

I don't know how to do that, Monty. I'll send you the board when I'm
done and you can put in the Copper Shadow.

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[Jim Larson]

I expect I'll get some good, useful input on the art work and I really
appreciate it!

But what I most want is for everyone to say Amen to version 4.1. I
notice some routing and placement differences from 4.0c and I want to be
sure this is the version we all want. Is 4.1 a "known good" version or
is hot and steamy?

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[Doug Ausmus]

Please add me to the list for quantity 1, thanks-
Doug

[Monty Goodson]

Jim,

Sure, as long as somebody can break up the logo into separate monochrome images for the capacitor and the shadow.
When would be able to send over the board? I'm using Eagle v5.10, BTW.

The process is the same for both silk and copper, so I might as well do both.
But first, is there a big enough clear area for the logo? I don't want to disrupt the ground plane with the shadow unless there's an appropriate area out of the way of any important current-return paths.
I didn't see a quick way to get at the eagle files from their google repository.

Monty

[Greg Peek]

4.1 may be a bit steamy.

Differences I found in a side-by-side visual look:

4.0c -> 4.1
board size  60x37 -> 63.5x36.8
mounting holes in corners -> tooling holes.  Centers have also moved slightly
IC2 (4066)  TSSOP -> SO14 package (bigger and slightly easier to solder)
LEDs -> slightly closer to board edge
PCB rounded corners -> square corners
Reset button 1mm from IO connector (2x6 header) -> Reset button 4mm from IO connector (more room for fingers)
IO Connector 7.2mm from right edge -> 6.3mm from edge
ICSP connector 3.5mm from bottom edge -> 2.5mm from bottom edge
USB connector -> footprint edited, pads shortened (less friendly to hand soldering). Also moved slightly closer to board edge.

Silk screen has large logo on back, helpful IO pin functions on top and bottom -> logo gone, pin functions gone from top.

Many small changes to part locations.  Some random ground plane via's removed.

No significant change to schematics.


Net: 4.1 has changes that may make it a hassle to fit in some 4.0x cases.  4.1 has less help on silkscreen for users. They should function identically.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Jim Larson <jla...@pacifier.com> wrote:

[Greg Peek]

lower right corner has 15x5mm area prime for ground plane artwork.

[Monty Goodson]

Hmmm… I don't think our logo text would be readable at such a small size.

Monty

[Lawrence Leung]

By coincidence we're also working on a group Bus Pirate build at Jigsaw Seattle.  We decided to clone off of 4.0c, re-layout the board for 5x5cm and add a few breakouts/mods.  We also substituted a few minor parts and footprints.  I was tempted to swap out the regs for SOT-223s or switchers but ultimately that didn't happen.  I'm curious what regs you end up choosing.  Part of the reason we did the redesign was to have members practice with Eagle.  It's definitely not the greatest layout as it was half autorouted and somewhat rushed, but it should work.

Here's the link to our design. We haven't tested it at all as we're still waiting on the board to come back from China so use at your own risk :)

https://github.com/LawrenceLeung/bpv4-with-breakouts

-Lawrence

[Greg Peek]

Jim,
Scratch all that below.

4.0c is the steamy version.

4.0 is sold by Seeed.

4.1 the only change is they added CC-BY-SA to the silk screen.  Stick with 4.1.

[Jim Larson]

We plan to stick *very* close to 4.1. Thanks for sharing your design however. Nice to see a similar idea.

As far as your boards go, you might check out the DorkbotPDX board order. Anyone can participate and the cost includes postage.

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[Jim Larson]

I haven't received anything yet, Monty. I'll send you the files I'm
working on so you can look at the ground plane on the bottom. I've
already sprinkled "DorkbotPDX" in a couple of places, but I think
there's room for the logo on the bottom lower left side (viewed from the
top side).

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[Cameron Adamez]

Are we done bus pirating yet?
I suggest making another mailing list ALL ABOUT BUS PIRATES.
BUS PIRATE BUS PIRATE BUS PIRATE.

Actually, I had this insane idea involving Haskell and microcontrollers.

Cameron

[Jim Larson]

Sorry, Cameron, but this BusPirate thing involves about 30 DorkbotPDX
members; we're trying to do it quickly, and no one has set up a mailing
list. It's fine if you want to interleave another topic, but we kinda
need to blabber over this one.

That said, are there any PIC experts that know if the ICSP header needs
to be special? The one on the BusPirate4.1 design has the 5 pins offset
from each other. Is that necessary or would a standard straight
connector be preferred?

Needless to say, I need to know this sooner rather than later.

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[Donald Delmar Davis]

The pickit2 and pickit3 have a 6 (.1") pin female header and in general the 6th pin is not used.
The programmer will need a bit of clearance if you mount them vertically on the other hand I usually just make a cable.
There is a pretty good picture and a profile on the pickit1 doc attached.

www.esat.kuleuven.be/cde/pickit2.pdf

[Ward Cunningham]

On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:30 PM, Jim Larson wrote:

> Sorry, Cameron, but this BusPirate thing involves about 30 DorkbotPDX members; we're trying to do it quickly, and no one has set up a mailing list. It's fine if you want to interleave another topic, but we kinda need to blabber over this one.

This has been a rather epic thread. Let's see what it looks like over time.

I have a favorite visualization that I apply to conversations. Each participant is represented by a string. Each character of the string is one hour. Activity in that hour creates a blip. Inactivity leaves dots (or comma at midnight). Here is this thread from Wednesday through Saturday, up to, but not including this post.

,...........|.|.........,..........|.||.........,.........|.............,.......................,......................., Aaron Eiche
,.......................,.............|.........,.......................,.......................,......................., Alex Norman
,.......................,.............|.........,.......................,.......................,................|......, Blain C
,.......................,.............|.........|..|....................,.......................,......................., Brad Burleson
,...........|...........,.......................,.......................,.......................,......................., Brian Collins
,.......................,.......................,.......................,.......................,....................|.., Cameron Adamez
,.......................,............|..........,.......................,.......................,......................., Dave Edick
,...........||..........,............||.......|.,........|..|........|..,.......................,.....................|., Donald Delmar Davis
,.......................,.......................,.......................,.......................,..................|...., Doug Ausmus
,.......................,|...........|....|.....,.........|.............,.......................,..............|....|..., Greg Peek
,...........|...........,.......................,.......................,.......................,..............|........, Jared Boone
,.......................,...........|.........|.,.......................,.......................,......................., Jason Barnett
,.......................,......................|,.......................,.......................,..............|........, Jason Plumb
,.......................,................|......,.......................,.......................,......................., Jesse Michael
,.......................,.....................|.,....................|.|,......................|,................||.||.., Jim Larson
,.......................,................|......,.......................,.......................,......................., Joshua Boelter
,.......................,...........|...........,.......................,.......................,......................., Laen
,.......................,.......................,.......................,.......................,...................|..., Lawrence Leung
,.......................,...........||..........,|......................,.......................,................|..|..., Monty Goodson
,.......................,..........|..|.........,.......................,.......................,......................., Paul Stoffregen
,.......................,.......................,|......................,.......................,......................., Philip Odom
,.......................,..................|....,.......................,.......................,......................., RLP
,....................|..,................|......,.......................,.......................,......................., Russell Senior
,............|..........,...........|.....|.....,........|...........|..,.......................,......................., Scott Dixon
,.......................,..........|.|..........,.......................,.......................,......................., Travis Smith
,.......................,.......................,.........|.............,.......................,......................., Ward Cunningham

Just in case your fonts don't look as good as mine, here is what this looks like on my screen:

[Russell Senior]

>>>>> "Greg" == Greg Peek <gpe...@gmail.com> writes:

Greg> Jim, I found an exact match for that EOL regulator. Here is
Greg> the list of folks that have signed up for the kit.

If we are still talking about a target price around $15 (plus or
minus), I'll bump my order from 1 to 3. I have some potential third
parties that might like one.

--
Russell Senior, President
rus...@personaltelco.net

[Greg Peek]

Here is my calculus on kit pricing.

The cost of the parts per kit (including connectors and 12-inch ribbon cable) comes very close to $15 with the volume discount at 30 kits.  I should bump the quantities up some to allow for "losses in manufacturing", plus shipping from Mouser. 

So $16 for the kit, assuming cash on delivery.

Add $2.00 for shipping (and you will have to pay via Paypal) if you are not going to pick up the kit at the build party(s) or at a DorkbotPDX meeting "soon" after it is available.

Add 2.9% + $0.30 if you pay via Paypal. Note that the parts order is going to be over $500, so prepay will be appreciated.  I should be available to take prepayments at the next DorkbotPDX Monday meeting.

Doing the math:

$16.75 if you prepay via paypal and will get a kit at DorkbotPDX or attend the build party.

$18.80 Shipped and paid via Paypal.

Don't forget to add a dollar or two for Ian (Dangerous Prototypes) if you want to support his development of the Bus Pirate.  Whatever cash I have left over at the end is going to him.

Also, everyone is going to owe @laen a beer for the PCBs.  (or donate ~$3 to him)

[David Madden]

On 2/5/2012 11:11, Greg Peek wrote:
> Here is my calculus on kit pricing.

FWIW, I've tried to do "exact pricing, 'see, I'm not even making a
penny!'" on things before, and it's really not worth it. If you work
out $18.80 shipped and paid via PayPal (boo!) then just charge $20.
Hell, charge $20 for self-pick-up and $25 for shipped.

That way, you don't have to obsess over it when DigiKey calculates an
extra pound and shipping is $1 more, and you don't have to dig into your
own pocket to cover the dollar-here, dollar-there incidentals. If you
come out ahead (you probably won't come out _much_ ahead, if any) you
can send the excess to the donation you were asking everybody to make.

The geek obsession with the evils of making a profit is one of the
things that keeps many of us stuck in McJobs that we can't afford to
leave because we need the health insurance.
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[Greg Peek]

There is a little cushion built into the $16, but I get what you are saying.

Donald, can you email me direct on the "cart page" idea?

[Michael Bunsen]

That's awesome Ward!

I haven't been involved in the bus pirate conversation but I enjoy witnessing great collaboration in action.

[Matt Youell]

On 2/4/12 8:26 PM, Cameron Adamez wrote:
> Actually, I had this insane idea involving Haskell and microcontrollers.
>

Let's hear it.

--
-/matt/-
http://youell.com/matt

[Donald Delmar Davis]

Shes gone.

[interrupt 0x03]

Ooo, this looks like a great opportunity to upgrade from my trusty black v2go..

definiately interested in 1 of them, might not be able to make it to
the flow party (hope I can, but can't count on it, especially when I
don't know when it will be) -- does that estimated shipping cost
include a cost for assembly too?

now for a more blabber worthy question:

as one of the people that ended up with a v2go with a bootloader but
no firmware, what do you all think would be an appropriate post
manufacture test?

(persoanlly I'd be happy with just being able to see it through the
terminal, as that's more than my v2go could do when I got it..)

this is great stuff indeed!
-int0x00

-dlp

[Greg Peek]

DorkbotPDX Bus Pirate kit orders instructions

1. Payment method
2. Prices
3. Description of what you get
4. What you don't get
5. Estimated timing


* Payment:

Please pre-pay with Paypal if you can. 
My paypal address is nikk...@yahoo.com.

Cash will be accepted at any DorkbotPDX meetings when I am there, for example on 2/27, and at the build party. I will not be at the Dorkbot meeting on 2/13.

Worst case, mail me a check.  Email me direct for my address.

* Prices:

** Best deal and you get to learn-by-doing SMD assembly :
$16 Join us at the DorkbotPDS Bus Pirate Build Party to help build boards and leave with your board assembled and programmed.
note that the party is not a structured class.

If you prepay and someone agrees to do the assembly for you and deliver the board to you, email me with the name of your representative so I can track who is authorized to get your board.

You can just pick up your kit at the build party and not assemble it, but what is the fun in that?

** Unable to make it to the build party:
$18 Pick up your kit of parts at the DorkbotPDX meeting after the build party.

** Shipped to Out of Towners (and local folks too shy to attend DorkbotPDX):
$22 Get your kit of parts mailed to you. 

Email me your address if I don't already have it, or put your address in the comments with your paypal payment.
 
* What you get:
The kit includes all the parts, mostly SMD (including an unprogrammed 64-pin TQFP PIC24), to build a Bus Pirate v4c and a special edition, purple, made in the USA, DorkbotPDX Bus Pirate PCB v4cD donated by @laen.  The board design has been modified to accept a more easily available 14-pin header, which is included in the kit.  If you want a 12-pin header like the original v4c, you will have to supply your own.

You also get a 14-pin IDC socket and 12 inches of ribbon cable.

* What you don't get:
The PIC24JF256 MCU does not come pre-programmed with the Bus Pirate loader or application code. 
You will need to have access to a PICKIT2 or PICKIT3 to program it. Attend the build party or find someone at a Dorkbot meeting that has one and willing to program your assembled board.
Another option is to follow these instructions to build a temporary programmer out of an ATmega8 (or similar AVR): http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/12/23/avr-based-pic24fj-programmer-for-uploading-bus-pirate-firmware/

You don't get any test clips for your ribbon cable.  I couldn't find a source of good quality test clips with a volume discount. 
Digikey has some decent sets of ten rainbow colored test clips:
micro J-hooks http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/XM-S/461-1006-ND/528227
SMT grabbers http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/XKM-S/461-1012-ND/528233

You probably don't get to make a donation through me to Ian.  He told Scott he can't be convinced to take any money from us.  He says that the group interest is thanks enough.  But if you come to the Dorkbot Bus Pirate Build Party, you just might get a chance to thank Ian in person! (Easter egg for reading down this far, but his attendance is not guaranteed)

I will say it again, the PIC24FJ256 does not come pre-programmed in the kit.  Attend the build party or plan accordingly.

* Timing

Pending Jim and Scott finding a venue and at least one of them having the weekend free, the DorkbotPDX Bus Pirate Build Party will be the second weekend in March. 

Kits will be available at the DorkbotPDX meeting held every other Monday at Backspace following the build party.  Hopefully that will be March 12th. 

The  Dorkbot meeting on March 26th is during Spring Break, so I can't guarantee I will be at Dorkbot that week. 

If you don't think you can make the build party nor the DorkbotPDX meeting on the first DorkbotPDX meeting after the build party, you should consider paying for the shipped option to avoid a possible long wait for your board.

Kits will be shipped out sometime during the week after the build party.

Any kits not paid for by the DorkbotPDX meeting after the build party are subject to being sold to someone else.

[Greg Peek]

My latest list of who is has ordered a Bus Pirate.  If I missed your request or the quantity is wrong, please let me know.

Aaron Burt    1
Aaron Eiche    1
Alex Norman    1
Bill Lewis    1
Brad Burleson    1
Bradon Kanyid    1
Brent Picasso    1
Carl Murdock    2
Carlo Calica    1
Chris Thoburn    1
Cloyce D. Spradling    1
Dangerous Prototypes    1
Dave Edick    1
Donald Delmar Davis    2
Doug Ausmus    1
douglas purdy    1
Greg Peek    1
interrupt 0x03    1
James Brega    3
James Neal    1
Jared Boone    1
Jason Barnett    2
Jason Plumb    1
Jesse Michael    1
Jim Eastman    1
Jim Larson    1
Joshua Boelter    1
Karel Mrazek    2
Mark Gross    1
Medved, Josip    1
Mike Politowski    1
Monty Goodson    1
Paul Stoffregen    1
RLP    2
Russell Senior    3
Scott Dixon    1
Seph Bane    1
Travis Smith    1
Walter Fenk    1
Ward Cunningham    1
William Aegerter    1

[Lawrence Leung]

You should be able to program the BP PIC24 with another BP...

http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Pirate_PIC_Programmer

I haven't tried it personally though.

-L

[Doug Ausmus]

Hi-

I am unable to attend the build party :-(( , but would be willing to pay a few bucks to someone to do my single kit for me. I will prepay the parts. NP if nobody can do it, I will just do it myself later, but with my current schedule....

Private me to arrange, if anyone is willing to do this-

Regards-
Doug

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Greg Peek <gpe...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Jerry Biehler]

Ill take one if it is not too late.

-Jerry

[Greg Peek]

I've posted another status update at http://www.dorkbotpdx.org/blog/sircastor/dorkbotpdx_bus_pirate_group_order.

Short form: thanks to Scott, Monty, and Jim, we are good to go for the group build party at ADX a week from today, Sunday March 18th, from 12 to 6pm. 

[Scott Dixon]

A little additional status. I will be sending out email confirmations tonight to everyone who I've got on my list to attend the build party. If there is anyone who still wants to sign up, there are a few slots left so please let me know ASAP (please email me offlist).
Also, if you think you signed up and you don't get an email from me tonight, please get in touch with me either by email tomorrow or catch me at the Monday night meeting and I'll sort it out.
Scott

On Mar 11, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Greg Peek wrote:

> I've posted another status update at http://www.dorkbotpdx.org/blog/sircastor/dorkbotpdx_bus_pirate_group_order.
>
> Short form: thanks to Scott, Monty, and Jim, we are good to go for the group build party at ADX a week from today, Sunday March 18th, from 12 to 6pm.

[Jerry Biehler]

Hey. Put me in for one of the slots. Don't care what time.

-Jerry

[Doug Ausmus]

Great big thanks to Greg and Scott and a bunch of others for equipment, organizing, and assisting with the bus pirate build party today.. I think it was a huge success in no small part to the volunteers that made it happen!

-Doug

[Greg Peek]

Scott, Monty, and Jim were great volunteers to work with.  They did a lot of behind the scenes work preparing for the build party. They provided most of the equipment, a lot of supplies, plus their time and expertise to make the build party itself a success.

The members of Dorkbotpdx that came to the build party also played no small part in making the day successful and less stressful than it could have been.  You guys were patient and respectful of each other and the volunteers, even when things got blocked up or went less than 100% smooth.  I know a lot of you hadn't worked with SMT before, but everyone did great with very little instruction. 

29 out of 30 boards went home working. 

I'm making a note here:
HUGE SUCCESS

Greg

[Robert Gallup]

I have to add my voice here. From a participant perspective, I have to say this was an awesome experience. Despite some major user error, I too went home with a working board. Everyone went way above and beyond to help (including Ward with his extensive rework skill).

THANKS!

Bob

Greg