Jeg mangler fakta om Svineinfluenzaen
Per
VI h�rer konstant om denne her influenza, men jeg mangler en masse fakta.
1: er den farligere end en alm. influenza - alts� d�deligheden. ?
2: hvem d�r ? unge - gamle - svagelige - ulande - alle ?
3: er den mere smitsom end alm. influenza ?
4: er den ufarlig for nogen men fatal for andre ?
5: hvis man f�r den og overlever er man s� imun fremover ?
6: hvordan er sydomsforl�bet i forhold til alm. influenza ? (ligger man bare
i sin seng en uge ?)
osv.
Det eneste jeg h�rer i pressen, er, at der er en farlig sygdom i �jeblikket
og muligvis en pandemi p� vej, men ikke noget konkret om sydommen. Jeg
mener, der d�r masser af mennesker af influenza - sidste d�de der vist 2000
alene i DK har jeg f�et at vide - der er vel ikke engang d�de 2000 p�
verdensplan af denne nye sydom ?
mvh. Per
Niels P Sønderskov
> Det eneste jeg h�rer i pressen, er, at der er en farlig sygdom i
> �jeblikket og muligvis en pandemi p� vej, men ikke noget konkret om
> sydommen. Jeg mener, der d�r masser af mennesker af influenza - sidste
> d�de der vist 2000 alene i DK har jeg f�et at vide - der er vel ikke
> engang d�de 2000 p� verdensplan af denne nye sydom ?
Netop, men det kan man ikke vide fra starten n�r der er tale om en ny
type, og de f�rste meldinger og hele h�ndteringen fra oprindelseslandet
har �benbart v�ret meget usikre.
--
Niels
Peter Knutsen
> Hej NG !
>
> VI h�rer konstant om denne her influenza, men jeg mangler en masse fakta.
>
> 1: er den farligere end en alm. influenza - alts� d�deligheden. ?
Kun hvis du er mexikaner, tilsyneladende.
> 2: hvem d�r ? unge - gamle - svagelige - ulande - alle ?
Mexikanere d�r. Andre d�r ikke. Tilsyneladende.
> 3: er den mere smitsom end alm. influenza ?
Sandsynligvis hverken mere eller mindre.
> 4: er den ufarlig for nogen men fatal for andre ?
Tilsyneladende ja. Se ovenfor.
> 5: hvis man f�r den og overlever er man s� imun fremover ?
Ja, men influenzavirus muterer hele tiden, s� du er kun immun mod �n
ganske bestemt type, ud af mange, mange, mange forskellige typer der vil
opst� tilf�ldigt fremover. Derfor er det irrelevant, da det er
usandsynligt at den kommer igen om nogle �r, sammenholdt med
sandsynligheden for at der kommer en type som er s� tilpas forskellig at
dit immunforsvar slet ikke kan genkende den og kan huske hvordan den
nakkes hurtigt og effektivt.
> 6: hvordan er sydomsforl�bet i forhold til alm. influenza ? (ligger man
> bare i sin seng en uge ?)
Tilsyneladende ja. Alts� medmindre du er mexikaner.
> osv.
>
> Det eneste jeg h�rer i pressen, er, at der er en farlig sygdom i
> �jeblikket og muligvis en pandemi p� vej, men ikke noget konkret om
> sydommen. Jeg mener, der d�r masser af mennesker af influenza - sidste
> d�de der vist 2000 alene i DK har jeg f�et at vide - der er vel ikke
> engang d�de 2000 p� verdensplan af denne nye sydom ?
S�vidt jeg ved, er det kun mexikanere der er d�de af den hidtil. Antal
bekr�ftede tilf�lde, alts� hvor kvalificerede l�ger via analyse har
konstateret at det er netop den type influenza og ikke en eller anden
anden type, er vist ret *usikkert*. Mexikanerne siger de har (haft)
nogle tusinde tilf�lde, hvoraf i st�rrelsesordenen hundrede er d�de, men
uden at v�re racist s� har de vist ikke voldsomt meget styr p� tingene
derovre. Mexikanerne siger ogs� at antallet af nye tilf�lde er faldende.
Desuden har der vist ogs� v�ret en masse almindelig ikke-svine-influenza
derover den seneste tid.
Jeg kan desuden godt forestille mig at det har betydning at det er en
traditionel pattedyrsinfluenza. B�de vi og grisene er jo pattedyr, s�
der skal ikke ret meget mutation til f�r en influenza skifter fra at
kunne snylte p� grise og til at kunne snylte p� mennesker. Omvendt skal
der en del mere til f�r en influenza kan hoppe fra fugle til mennesker.
Det ville ikke overraske mig hvis det har betydning for farligheden.
--
Peter Knutsen
sagatafl.org
vist2000
> Per wrote:
> > Hello NG!
>
> > We are constantly hearing about the flu here, but I lack a lot of facts.
>
> > 1: it is more dangerous than a plain. Influenza - ie mortality. ?
>
> Only if you are mexikaner, apparently.
>
> > 2: Who dies? young - old - frail - developing countries - all?
>
> Mexikanere door. Others die not. Apparently.
>
> > 3: it is more contagious than normal. flu?
>
> Probably no more or less.
>
> > 4: is it safe for any but fatal to others?
>
> Apparently yes. See above.
>
> > 5: if you get it and survive is so imun future?
>
> Yes, but influenza viruses mutate constantly, so you are only immune to one
> very particular type of many, many, many different types will
> occur by chance in future. Therefore, it is irrelevant because it is
> unlikely to come again in a few years, in conjunction with
> probability that a type that is sufficiently different to
> your immune system can not recognize it and remember how it
> nakkes quickly and efficiently.
>
> > 6: how are sydomsforløbet compared to normal. flu? (is Monday
> > Just in his bed a week?)
>
> Apparently yes. So unless you are mexikaner.
>
> > Etc.
>
> > The only thing I hear in the press, is that there is a dangerous disease in
> > Currently, and possibly a pandemic on the road, but nothing concrete about
> > Diseases. I think that lots of people die of influenza - past
> > Died there in 2000 revealed only in IE, I have been told - there is probably not
> > Even died in 2000 in the world of this new diseases?
>
> As far as I know, only mexikanere have died of the past. Number
> confirmed cases, ie where qualified doctors through analysis,
> found that it is precisely the type of flu and not for any
> second type is shown right * unsafe *. Mexikanerne say they have (had)
> few thousand cases, in the order of hundreds of dead, but
> without being a racist as they have not dramatically much grip on things
> over there. Mexikanerne also say that the number of new cases is decreasing.
> Moreover, there has also been a lot of general non-swine influenza
> more recently.
>
> I can also well imagine that it matters that it is a
> traditional mammalian influenza. Both we and the pigs are mammals, so
> to be little mutation before a flu changes from that
> could free ride on the pigs and to free ride on the people. Conversely,
> a lot more before a flu can jump from birds to humans.
> It would not surprise me if it has implications for hazard.
>
> --
> Peter Knutsen
> sagatafl.org
its. ok i am romanian engineer
Peter Knutsen
> On May 2, 9:45 am, Peter Knutsen <pe...@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Per wrote:
>>
>>>Hello NG!
>>
>>>We are constantly hearing about the flu here, but I lack a lot of facts.
>>
>>>1: it is more dangerous than a plain. Influenza - ie mortality. ?
>>
>>Only if you are mexikaner, apparently.
>>
>>
>>>2: Who dies? young - old - frail - developing countries - all?
>>
>>Mexikanere door. Others die not. Apparently.
>>
>>
>>>3: it is more contagious than normal. flu?
>>
>>Probably no more or less.
>>
>>
>>>4: is it safe for any but fatal to others?
>>
>>Apparently yes. See above.
>>
>>
>>>5: if you get it and survive is so imun future?
>>
>>Yes, but influenza viruses mutate constantly, so you are only immune to one
>>very particular type of many, many, many different types will
>>occur by chance in future. Therefore, it is irrelevant because it is
>>unlikely to come again in a few years, in conjunction with
>>probability that a type that is sufficiently different to
>>your immune system can not recognize it and remember how it
>>nakkes quickly and efficiently.
>>
>>
Please note that the above English text, attributed to me, was not
written by me. My English is a *lot* better than that. Nor did Per write
the English text attributed to him.
We both wrote in Danish, and then quotefucker Vist2000 translated it -
badly.
--
Peter Knutsen
sagatafl.org