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Peter Lykkegaard

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Feb 23, 2007, 8:07:28 AM2/23/07
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gb wrote:

>> Danmark/Vesteuropa har opført sig på stort samme måde op igennem
>> historien
>
> Mener du da, at islamitterne er kommet med nogen bidrag til forskning
> inden for ingeniørkunst, kemi, fysik, medicin etc. etc.?
>
Hvor ligger verdens syv vidundere?
Hvor er de største kunstkatte i verden fundet?
Hvem byggede de første kuppelsale?
Hvad bygger kristendommen på og hvor stammer den fra?
Hvor stammer den tidlige astronomi (astrometri) fra?
Hvor udspringer den medicinske historie?
Anatomien?
Nemlig - fra landene omkring middelhavet!
Og det fra en tid hvor vi fedtede med trælleri, undertrykkelse, mord,
hekseafbrændning og det der var værre

Hvis du ikker bekendt med dansk samt vesteuropæisk historie så skulle du
måske undlade at kommentere på andre landes opførsel - det kommer du længst
med
Du kan tage fra 1800 tallet og frem til 1950

Som sagt så har vi opført på nøjagtig samme måde - i nyere tid er det kommet
lidt mere styr på sagerne, heldigvis da

Du kan starte med Danmar som kolonimagt samt Danmarks opførsel på Grønland
Så kan vi vende tilbage til hvem der er urimelige eller bare et par
århundreder for sent ude ...

- Peter

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John

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Feb 23, 2007, 8:25:34 AM2/23/07
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"Peter Lykkegaard" <plykk...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse

> Som sagt så har vi opført på nøjagtig samme måde - i nyere tid
> er det kommet lidt mere styr på sagerne

- nemlig, mens muhammedanerne stadig befinder sig i den mørke
middelalder

John

gb

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Feb 23, 2007, 8:30:06 AM2/23/07
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"Peter Lykkegaard" <plykk...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Hvor ligger verdens syv vidundere?

De var væk, længe inden verden blev forbandet med muhameds fødsel.

> Hvor er de største kunstkatte i verden fundet?

I Europa? Indien?

> Hvem byggede de første kuppelsale?

Det gjorde de muhamedanske besættere af Spanien (almoviderne), da de
havde boet der længe nok til at slappe af fra deres evindelige jihad.

> Hvad bygger kristendommen på og hvor stammer den fra?

Du stiller en masse dumme spørgsål. Fra jødedommen.

> Hvor stammer den tidlige astronomi (astrometri) fra?

Indien.

> Hvor udspringer den medicinske historie?

Grækenland, kirurgen Galenius (Galen).

> Anatomien?

Galen - og senere Vesalius.

> Nemlig - fra landene omkring middelhavet!

Ja, men ikke fra islam. Den politiske retning har INTET leveret ved
egen kraft. De har som "Venerable Jorge" i Rosens Navn OPBEVARET
viden, men er ikke selv kommet med andet nyt end dine kupler.

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John

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Feb 23, 2007, 8:35:38 AM2/23/07
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"Peter Lykkegaard" <plykk...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse

> Hvis du ikker bekendt med dansk samt vesteuropæisk historie så

> skulle du måske undlade at kommentere på andre landes
> opførsel - det kommer du længst med

Hiv du trygt hænderne ned igen. Blot et par eksempler:

The practice of medicine developed gradually, and separately, in
ancient Egypt, India, China, Greece, Persia and elsewhere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine#History_of_Western_medicine

A few notable astronomical discoveries were made prior to the
application of the telescope. For example, the obliquity of the
ecliptic was estimated as early as 1,000 B.C by the Chinese. The
Chaldeans discovered that eclipses recurred in a repeating cycle
known as a saros. In the second century B.C., the size and
distance of the Moon were estimated by Hipparchus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy#History

Måske skulle du selv læse lidt historie?

John

gb

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Feb 23, 2007, 8:45:04 AM2/23/07
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"John" <no...@pladderballe.ok> wrote in news:45deed7f$0$45110
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> Måske skulle du selv læse lidt historie?

Ja, det ville nok være en god idé. :-)

Jeg kan anbefale BBC-serien The Ascent of Man med J. Bronowski, hvis
man ikke er til tykke bøger. Den kan købes billigt via
http://amazon.co.uk

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Peter Lykkegaard

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Feb 23, 2007, 10:53:12 AM2/23/07
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John wrote:

> Hiv du trygt hænderne ned igen. Blot et par eksempler:
>
> The practice of medicine developed gradually, and separately, in
> ancient Egypt, India, China, Greece, Persia and elsewhere
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine#History_of_Western_medicine
>

Persien hvor var det lige det var?

Abu Ali Sina wrote The Canon of Medicine, which was a standard medical text
in Western Europe for almost five centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Canon_of_Medicine

> A few notable astronomical discoveries

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy#History
>
Fra samme side:

"As civilizations developed, most notably Babylonia, Persia, Egypt, ancient
Greece, India, and China, astronomical observatories were assembled"

> Måske skulle du selv læse lidt historie?

Babylon, Persien ... hvor var det lige det var?

Men for at vende tilbage til "målet helliger midlet"

I kan starte med læse om Danmark som kolonimagt samt Danmarks opførsel på

John

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Feb 23, 2007, 11:10:52 AM2/23/07
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"Peter Lykkegaard" <plykk...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse

> Babylon, Persien ... hvor var det lige det var?

Fra dit første indlæg:

".. Nemlig - fra landene omkring middelhavet! .."

John

Peter B. P.

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Feb 23, 2007, 12:21:23 PM2/23/07
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On 2007-02-23 16:53:12 +0100, "Peter Lykkegaard" <plykk...@gmail.com> said:
>
>
>> Måske skulle du selv læse lidt historie?
>
> Babylon, Persien ... hvor var det lige det var?

Territorier indtaget i islamisk angrebskrig.

>
> Men for at vende tilbage til "målet helliger midlet"
>
> I kan starte med læse om Danmark som kolonimagt samt Danmarks opførsel
> på Grønland
> Så kan vi vende tilbage til hvem der er urimelige eller bare et par
> århundreder for sent ude ...
>


Enig, Danmark skal ud af Grønland, nu.

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Peter Lykkegaard

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Feb 23, 2007, 1:25:09 PM2/23/07
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gb wrote:

> Mener du da, at islamitterne er kommet med nogen bidrag til forskning
> inden for ingeniørkunst, kemi, fysik, medicin etc. etc.?
>

Hvad med matematikken?
http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article250992.ece

Peter B. P.

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Feb 23, 2007, 1:28:49 PM2/23/07
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On 2007-02-23 19:25:09 +0100, "Peter Lykkegaard" <plykk...@gmail.com> said:

> gb wrote:
>
>> Mener du da, at islamitterne er kommet med nogen bidrag til forskning
>> inden for ingeniørkunst, kemi, fysik, medicin etc. etc.?
>>
> Hvad med matematikken?
> http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article250992.ece
>
> - Peter

Debatten er kun interessant infenfor historisk kontakst.

Kigger man på den islamiske verden i dag er det et morads af
antirationalisme og overtro.

Muhammedanismen sidder på ca 20% af verdens befolkning, men kan kun
præsentere max. 1% af verdens videnskabsfolk og ingeniører.

Islam er en spændetrøje for rationel og naturvidenskablig tænkning.

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John

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Feb 23, 2007, 2:32:15 PM2/23/07
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"Peter Lykkegaard" <plykk...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse

> Hvad med matematikken?
> http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article250992.ece

Ja, hvad med den?

".. The most ancient mathematical texts available are from
ancient India circa 1500BC .."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_mathematics

Mere:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra#History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_%28number%29#Prehistory_of_zero

John

John

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Feb 23, 2007, 2:39:21 PM2/23/07
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> ".. The most ancient mathematical texts available are from
> ancient India circa 1500BC .."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_mathematics
>
> Mere:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra#History
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_%28number%29#Prehistory_of_zero

- li'e én til:

".. Euclid's The Elements of Geometry (c.300 BCE), was one of the
most important early texts on geometry, in which he presented
geometry in an ideal axiomatic form, which came to be known as
Euclidean geometry. The treatise is not a compendium of all that
the Hellenistic mathematicians knew at the time about geometry;
Euclid himself wrote eight more advanced books on geometry .."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry#History_of_geometry

John

gb

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Feb 23, 2007, 5:19:37 PM2/23/07
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> Abu Ali Sina wrote The Canon of Medicine, which was a standard

Ali Ibn-Sina (Avicenna) var IKKE islamit.

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gb

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Feb 23, 2007, 5:21:46 PM2/23/07
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"Peter Lykkegaard" <plykk...@gmail.com> wrote in
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"Arabertallene" stammer fra det hinduistiske Indien, ligesom begrebet
NUL (0).

De indiske tal, som bruges i dag, ligner i væsentlig højere grad end de
arabiske tal, de tal som vi bruger i dag.

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Feb 23, 2007, 7:26:49 PM2/23/07
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On 23 Feb., 23:19, gb <nos...@no.invalid> wrote:
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> Ali Ibn-Sina (Avicenna) var IKKE islamit.
>
Hvornår konverterede han?

"Ibn Sina was born in 980 C.E. in the village of Afshana near Bukhara
which today is located in the far south of Russia. His father,
Abdullah, an adherent of the Ismaili sect, was from Balkh and his
mother from a village near Bukhara.
In any age Ibn Sina, known in the West as Avicenna, would have been a
giant among giants. He displayed exceptional intellectual prowess as a
child and at the age of ten was already proficient in the Qur'an and
the Arabic classics. During the next six years he devoted himself to
Muslim Jurisprudence, Philosophy and Natural Science and studied
Logic, Euclid, and the Almeagest."
http://www.ummah.net/history/scholars/ibn_sina/

the Ismaili sect
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab17

En rar omgang røvere :)

- Peter

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Feb 23, 2007, 7:30:12 PM2/23/07
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gb wrote:

> > Hvad med matematikken?
> >http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article250992.ece
>
> "Arabertallene" stammer fra det hinduistiske Indien, ligesom begrebet
> NUL (0).
>

Og, jeg snakker ikke om arabertal

Et par klip fra artiklen jeg linkede til
"Forskningsresultaterne tyder på, at kunstnerne havde en intuitiv
forståelse for komplekse matematiske formler, på trods af at
matematikere endnu ikke havde fundet frem til den bagvedliggende
teori, "
"Islamisk kunst bruger traditionelt et miks af kalligrafi, geometri og
blomsterlignende konstruktioner, fordi det er forbudt at portrættere
den menneskelige form,"

- Peter

John

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Feb 23, 2007, 7:50:44 PM2/23/07
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"Peter Lykkegaard" <plykk...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse

> Abu Ali Sina wrote The Canon of Medicine, which was a standard

> medical text in Western Europe for almost five centuries

Næh, han skrev ikke ret meget selv, eftersom:

".. Avicenna's medical system - was based on that of Galen -
which he combined with Aristotelian metaphysics as well as
traditional Persian and Arab lore .."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ali_ibn_Sina

- ".. was based on that of Galen ..":

".. Galen (.. Latin: Claudius Galenus; AD 129 - 200) of Pergamum
was a prominent ancient Greek physician, whose theories dominated
medical science for over 1300 years .."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen

John

gb

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Feb 23, 2007, 9:33:16 PM2/23/07
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> Hvornår konverterede han?

Se lige, hvor det kommer fra:

> http://www.ummah.net/history/scholars/ibn_sina/

Du ved godt, hvad "ummah" står for, ikke? Du ved også godt, hvad
taquiyya er?

Avicenna var måske islamit, men hans lære var en blanding af
Aristoteles og nyplatonisme, og han blev ikke accepteret af de
ortodokse isamittiske teologer.(1) Men når islams herligheder skal
glide let ned i de vesteuropæiske sind, kan man godt finde ham frem
fra mølposen og bruge hans navn til at slå på tromme med.

(1) Ibn Warraq

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gb

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plykk...@gmail.com wrote in
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> "Forskningsresultaterne tyder på, at kunstnerne havde en intuitiv
> forståelse for komplekse matematiske formler, på trods af at
> matematikere endnu ikke havde fundet frem til den bagvedliggende
> teori, "
> "Islamisk kunst bruger traditionelt et miks af kalligrafi,
> geometri og blomsterlignende konstruktioner, fordi det er forbudt
> at portrættere den menneskelige form,"

Det er korrekt. Men det er altså ikke det samme, som at islam har
bidraget lige så meget til menneskehedens udvikling som europæere,
indere og kinesere.

I de arabiske lande er der I ALT udgivet lige så mange bøger, som
der udgives i Spanien på ET ÅR.

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Bruno Christensen

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Feb 23, 2007, 1:10:02 PM2/23/07
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:53:12 +0100, Peter Lykkegaard wrote:

>> A few notable astronomical discoveries
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy#History

As civilizations developed, most notably Babylonia, Persia, Egypt,


ancient Greece, India, and China, astronomical observatories were

assembled, and ideas on the nature of the universe began to be
explored. Early ideas about the motions of the planets were formed,
and the nature of the Sun, Moon and the Earth in the universe were
explored philosophically. The Earth was believed to be the center of
the universe with the Sun, the Moon and the stars rotating around it.
This is known as the geocentric model of the universe.


Det var kendt længe før år ca, 600....

I følge dit eget link.
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Bruno Christensen

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Feb 23, 2007, 1:05:25 PM2/23/07
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:53:12 +0100, Peter Lykkegaard wrote:

> Abu Ali Sina wrote The Canon of Medicine, which was a standard medical text
> in Western Europe for almost five centuries.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Canon_of_Medicine

The Canon of Medicine (original title in Arabic: "qanun fil tibb") is
a book by the Persian scientist Ibn Sina (Avicenna) in the 10th
century. The book is based upon the writings of the Roman physician
Galen

Og?

Bo Warming

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Ja der er ikke meget kreativitet i de lande , hvor profet Muhamed har
forbudt nytænkning

Både Spanien og Danmark kunne på en time overgå deres års-produktion -
som fx når gb = Georg Borchhorst og jeg igår har læserbrev i JP.

Mit om Faderhushuset
og hans om bøller,
der vil smadre hans glasdør og han har tilladelse til at eje sværd og
syns han bør have lov at bruge dem i selvforsvar - uden at risikere
selvtægts-straf som urmagerens.
Enig. Men hvorfor entredør med glas, hvis naboer er psykopater. Jeg
har bekostet tildækning af mn bolig med plexiglas af den type, som
politiet bruger til deres skjolde (lexan = polycarbonat) fordi BZ
hærger meget her i kvarteret.


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det vil nok tage lidt tid inden Peter Lykkegård bider i det sure æble
og indrømmer at det eneste muhamedanismen har bidraget med er
terrorisme undertrykkelse fordummelse og pædofili
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gad vide hvor Peter Lykkegaard har fået den tåbelige ide' fra, at
muhamedenerne har bidraget med noget som helst positivt i denne
verden?

for muhamedanere er viden en uting, de skal tro skal de

gb

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> gad vide hvor Peter Lykkegaard har fået den tåbelige ide' fra, at
> muhamedenerne har bidraget med noget som helst positivt i denne
> verden?

Fra Politiken, DR, pseudokommunstiske skole/gymnasie/unilærere,
Marianne Jelved, Thøgher Seidenfaden, "kunstnere" etc. etc.

Lidt at læse på:

What Arab Civilization?
This letter was sent to Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard
Corporation, in response to a speech given by her on September 26,
2001.

November 7, 2001
Carly Fiorina
Hewlett-Packard
3000 Hanover Street
Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185
Dear Madame Fiorina:
It is with great interest that I read your speech delivered on
September 26, 2001, titled "Technology, Business and Our way of
Life: What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly interested in the story
you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/Muslim
civilization. As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the
Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to
clarify some points you made in this little story, and to alert you
to the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the Arabist/Islamist
ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and religions into
the Arab/Islamic fold. I know you are a very busy woman, but please
find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is a perspective that
you will not likely get from anywhere else. I will answer some of
the specific points you made in your speech, then conclude with a
brief perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology. Arabs and
Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of
Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very
clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary
enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a
declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to
forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their
fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived
this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).
Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities
under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of
governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as
religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These
communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was,
in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically
80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression.
This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it
was designed to do. You state, "its architects designed buildings
that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are referring to, but
if you are referring to domes and arches, the fundamental
architectural breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead of a
spherical shape for these structures was made by the Assyrians more
than 1300 years earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological
record. You state, "its mathematicians created the algebra and
algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the
creation of encryption." The fundamental basis of modern mathematics
had been laid down not hundreds but thousands of years before by
Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of zero,
of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other developments
expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian
Mathematics, Neugebauer). You state, "its doctors examined the human
body, and found new cures for disease." The overwhelming majority of
these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth
centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body
of knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the
religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and
medicine. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were
translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these
Arabic translations which the Moors brought with them into Spain,
and which the Spaniards translated into Latin and spread throughout
Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance. By the sixth century
A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works
on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the
Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians,
and founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in
the area of medicine, (the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on
ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative
source on the subject until 1800 A.D. In the area of philosophy, the
Assyrian philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical theory of
the universe, in the Assyrian language, that rivaled Aristotle's
theory, and that sought to replace matter with forces (a theory that
anticipated some ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous
creation and destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum
vacuum). One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth
century was the founding of the first university in the world, the
School of Nisibis, which had three departments, theology, philosophy
and medicine, and which became a magnet and center of intellectual
development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of
Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon
which the first Italian university was based (see The Statutes of
the School of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).
When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they
encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a
rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning
institutions. It is this civilization that became the foundation of
the Arab civilization. You state, "Its astronomers looked into the
heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and
exploration." This is a bit melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers
you refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of
present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers
and astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so
rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared completely.
You state, "its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of
courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others
before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things." There
is very little literature in the Arabic language that comes from
this period you are referring to (the Koran is the only significant
piece of literature), whereas the literary output of the Assyrians
and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian writing,
after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian language
(also called Syriac; see here.)
You state, "when other nations were afraid of ideas, this
civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors
threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this
civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others."
This is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the heart
of the matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I
reviewed a book titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in
which the author lists the significant translators and interpreters
of Greek science. Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1
was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of my review: "The
salient conclusion which can be drawn from O'Leary's book is that
Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic
world via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If this is so, one must
then ask the question, what happened to the Christian communities
which made them lose this great intellectual enterprise which they
had established. One can ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly,
O'Leary's book does not answer this question, and we must look
elsewhere for the answer." I did not answer this question I posed in
the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the answer
is very clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its
population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and
once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it
ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving
force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called
"Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.). Islam the
religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see
Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of the Islamic
World). Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is
a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. The great
civilization you describe was not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it
was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and
subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion
of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that
propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since?
What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?
You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson from his [Suleiman]
example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It
was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very
diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish
traditions." In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to
non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken
from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into
the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and
made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or
scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on
the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5
million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the
Kemalist "Young Turk" government. This is the true face of Islam.
Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and
expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas.
Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one,
it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan
were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah
Khomeini). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the
advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the
historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed,
then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is
and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments"
you cited in your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the
Middle East teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no
reputable scholar would assert, and that no living Assyrian would
accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian
cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into
that area. Even the word 'Arab' is an Assyrian word, meaning
"Westerner" (the first written reference to Arabs was by the
Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering
the "ma'rabayeh" -- Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by
H. W. F. Saggs).
Even in America this Arabization policy continues. On October 27th a
coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an
official letter to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop
identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs, which it had been
deliberately doing. There are minorities and nations struggling for
survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle East and Africa
(Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians,
Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not to unwittingly and
inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism, with
their attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and
civilizations. It is incumbent upon each one of us to do our
homework and research when making statements and speeches about
these sensitive matters. I hope you found this information
enlightening. For more information, refer to the web links below.
You may contact me at ke...@ninevehsoft.com for further questions.
Thank you for your consideration.
Peter BetBasoo
Web resources:
Brief History of Assyrians
Assyrian International News Agency
Assyrian American National Federation
Assyrian Academic Society
Zinda Magazine
Beth Suryoyo
Nineveh Online
World Maronite Union
Maronite Research Council
World Lebanese Organization
Coptic Web


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Feb 24, 2007, 1:07:47 PM2/24/07
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>
> det vil nok tage lidt tid inden Peter Lykkegård bider i det sure æble
> og indrømmer at det eneste muhamedanismen har bidraget med er
> terrorisme undertrykkelse fordummelse og pædofili

For ekstremister er verden kun sort og hvid ...

- Peter

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Feb 24, 2007, 6:53:55 PM2/24/07
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kan du måske nævne andre ting muhamedanismen har bidraget med?

gb

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Feb 24, 2007, 7:58:01 PM2/24/07
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> kan du måske nævne andre ting muhamedanismen har bidraget med?

Ja, jeg sidder også og venter spændt. Kan man ikke klare sig i en
diskussion, kan man jo altid beklikke den anden. Så jeg holder ikke
vejret imens.

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John

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> kan du måske nævne andre ting muhamedanismen har bidraget med?

'Hvo kan man plukke roser, hvor ingen roser gro?'

John

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> kan du måske nævne andre ting muhamedanismen har bidraget med?

'Hvo kan plukke roser, hvor ingen roser gro?'

John

Bo Warming

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Det er lissom at vente på at Hans Joergensen fortæller om
BZ-kulturberigelsen og hvad glæde nørrebroere har af
veganerrestauranten


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> 'Hvo kan plukke roser, hvor ingen roser gro?'

Hrm: "Hvor kan man plukke roser, hvor ingen roser gror - skal vi have
hele teksten?

Hvor kan man plukke roser,
hvor ingen roser gror,
hvor kan man plukke roser,
hvor ingen roser gror?
Hvor kan man finde kærlighed,
hvor kærlighed ej bor,
hvor kan man finde kærlighed,
hvor kærlighed ej bor?

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