I'm new to Django (recently converted from TurboGears), and the first real flaw I've managed to find in my use of Django is actually a rather insignificant one.
I'm talking about the lack of a favicon on Django's websites (apart from Django's trac instance, which uses the trac favicon.)
Before filing a ticket, I found an earlier discussion of this at http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3867 Jacob states "We don't really need a favicon...". I'd like to challenge this and say "No, we really do need one".
To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the title of the web pages.
favicons have become a commodity. Almost all larger sites have one. Google, Amazon, Yahoo, Microsoft, Linux.com, New York Times, IBM, Sun, etc.
I realise that "Everyone else has one" is not a valid argument. I realise that you might not want or care for favicons. But it is a major help to those of us that rely on tabs and bookmarks, and I really do hope you'll reconsider this.
> To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: > http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > title of the web pages.
Normally people don't pack tab bars that tiny though, so there would still be text to ID tabs by also :)
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> Mikkel Høgh said the following: > > To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: > > http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > > title of the web pages.
> Normally people don't pack tab bars that tiny though, so there would > still be text to ID tabs by also :)
Django site needs favicon. It's good style of web. Even if you and Jacob won't use it.
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Well, I do that all the time, and I know that there are others like me :) It's a part of my GTD thing. Instead of having my RSS-reader grow to hundreds (even thousands) of unread posts, I go through it all frequently and open everything worth reading in a new tab. If I don't manage to get it read the next few days, it probably wasn't important, and thus is deleted...
On Sep 15, 11:56 pm, Collin Grady <cgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: django-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mikkel Høgh Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:22 PM To: Django developers Subject: Visual recogintion of Django website
I'm new to Django (recently converted from TurboGears), and the first real flaw I've managed to find in my use of Django is actually a rather insignificant one.
I'm talking about the lack of a favicon on Django's websites (apart from Django's trac instance, which uses the trac favicon.)
Before filing a ticket, I found an earlier discussion of this at http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3867 Jacob states "We don't really need a favicon...". I'd like to challenge this and say "No, we really do need one".
To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the title of the web pages.
favicons have become a commodity. Almost all larger sites have one. Google, Amazon, Yahoo, Microsoft, Linux.com, New York Times, IBM, Sun, etc.
I realise that "Everyone else has one" is not a valid argument. I realise that you might not want or care for favicons. But it is a major help to those of us that rely on tabs and bookmarks, and I really do hope you'll reconsider this.
Regardless of whether it should be on the site or not, I think there's an fundamental open-source concept missing from this conversation. If you think the Django site needs a favicon, a good first step would be to provide one. That's not guarantee it'll be used, of course, but if it's so important, make one up and it'll make your argument more convincing. Not only that, the Django guys then don't have to make one up themselves, something which they're obviously not terribly concerned with doing.
You'll notice that, despite this recommendation, I don't include an example favicon in my email. The reason is simple: I don't really care whether the site has one or not. I just think that if you're going to request something, provide whatever you can, and it'll go that much better.
There are two tickets with favicons for djangoproject: #3903 & #3867. Both have different favicons, one's marked as a dupe of the other which is wontfixed by Jacob.
Simon Greenhill wrote: > There are two tickets with favicons for djangoproject: #3903 & #3867. > Both have different favicons, one's marked as a dupe of the other > which is wontfixed by Jacob.
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On Sep 15, 10:22 pm, Mikkel Høgh <mikkelho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine:http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > title of the web pages.
Easy, Django is the one without a favicon... oh wait, there's lots of them in there.. I presume you're complaining to all of the other sites that don't have them too?
On Sep 17, 3:33 pm, Dave <da...@reynoldsfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 10:22 pm, Mikkel Høgh <mikkelho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine:http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > > title of the web pages.
> Easy, Django is the one without a favicon... oh wait, there's lots of > them in there.. I presume you're complaining to all of the other sites > that don't have them too?
Ideally, I should be, shouldn't I? Regardless, I don't see how helping all kinds of strangers get better branding on their websites. I do see the benefit strengthening the Django brand, however, since in open source, more interest equals more momentum.
I'm not denying that my motivation here is somewhat selfish, but this would be a small and quick thing to do. Granted, my Firefox habits are perhaps not quite normal, but favicons remain a useful visual reminder.
I personally would also like a favicon for the django sites. I took the liberty of creating one using django's colors and fonts (stole the d from the logo).
> On Sep 17, 3:33 pm, Dave <da...@reynoldsfamily.org.uk> wrote: > > On Sep 15, 10:22 pm, Mikkel Høgh <mikkelho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > > > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: > http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > > > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > > > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > > >
