I'm new to Django (recently converted from TurboGears), and the first real flaw I've managed to find in my use of Django is actually a rather insignificant one.
I'm talking about the lack of a favicon on Django's websites (apart from Django's trac instance, which uses the trac favicon.)
Before filing a ticket, I found an earlier discussion of this at http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3867 Jacob states "We don't really need a favicon...". I'd like to challenge this and say "No, we really do need one".
To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the title of the web pages.
favicons have become a commodity. Almost all larger sites have one. Google, Amazon, Yahoo, Microsoft, Linux.com, New York Times, IBM, Sun, etc.
I realise that "Everyone else has one" is not a valid argument. I realise that you might not want or care for favicons. But it is a major help to those of us that rely on tabs and bookmarks, and I really do hope you'll reconsider this.
> To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: > http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > title of the web pages.
Normally people don't pack tab bars that tiny though, so there would still be text to ID tabs by also :)
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> Mikkel Høgh said the following: > > To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: > > http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > > title of the web pages.
> Normally people don't pack tab bars that tiny though, so there would > still be text to ID tabs by also :)
Django site needs favicon. It's good style of web. Even if you and Jacob won't use it.
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Well, I do that all the time, and I know that there are others like me :) It's a part of my GTD thing. Instead of having my RSS-reader grow to hundreds (even thousands) of unread posts, I go through it all frequently and open everything worth reading in a new tab. If I don't manage to get it read the next few days, it probably wasn't important, and thus is deleted...
On Sep 15, 11:56 pm, Collin Grady <cgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: django-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mikkel Høgh Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:22 PM To: Django developers Subject: Visual recogintion of Django website
I'm new to Django (recently converted from TurboGears), and the first real flaw I've managed to find in my use of Django is actually a rather insignificant one.
I'm talking about the lack of a favicon on Django's websites (apart from Django's trac instance, which uses the trac favicon.)
Before filing a ticket, I found an earlier discussion of this at http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3867 Jacob states "We don't really need a favicon...". I'd like to challenge this and say "No, we really do need one".
To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the title of the web pages.
favicons have become a commodity. Almost all larger sites have one. Google, Amazon, Yahoo, Microsoft, Linux.com, New York Times, IBM, Sun, etc.
I realise that "Everyone else has one" is not a valid argument. I realise that you might not want or care for favicons. But it is a major help to those of us that rely on tabs and bookmarks, and I really do hope you'll reconsider this.
Regardless of whether it should be on the site or not, I think there's an fundamental open-source concept missing from this conversation. If you think the Django site needs a favicon, a good first step would be to provide one. That's not guarantee it'll be used, of course, but if it's so important, make one up and it'll make your argument more convincing. Not only that, the Django guys then don't have to make one up themselves, something which they're obviously not terribly concerned with doing.
You'll notice that, despite this recommendation, I don't include an example favicon in my email. The reason is simple: I don't really care whether the site has one or not. I just think that if you're going to request something, provide whatever you can, and it'll go that much better.
There are two tickets with favicons for djangoproject: #3903 & #3867. Both have different favicons, one's marked as a dupe of the other which is wontfixed by Jacob.
Simon Greenhill wrote: > There are two tickets with favicons for djangoproject: #3903 & #3867. > Both have different favicons, one's marked as a dupe of the other > which is wontfixed by Jacob.
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On Sep 15, 10:22 pm, Mikkel Høgh <mikkelho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine:http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > title of the web pages.
Easy, Django is the one without a favicon... oh wait, there's lots of them in there.. I presume you're complaining to all of the other sites that don't have them too?
On Sep 17, 3:33 pm, Dave <da...@reynoldsfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 10:22 pm, Mikkel Høgh <mikkelho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine:http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > > title of the web pages.
> Easy, Django is the one without a favicon... oh wait, there's lots of > them in there.. I presume you're complaining to all of the other sites > that don't have them too?
Ideally, I should be, shouldn't I? Regardless, I don't see how helping all kinds of strangers get better branding on their websites. I do see the benefit strengthening the Django brand, however, since in open source, more interest equals more momentum.
I'm not denying that my motivation here is somewhat selfish, but this would be a small and quick thing to do. Granted, my Firefox habits are perhaps not quite normal, but favicons remain a useful visual reminder.
I personally would also like a favicon for the django sites. I took the liberty of creating one using django's colors and fonts (stole the d from the logo).
> On Sep 17, 3:33 pm, Dave <da...@reynoldsfamily.org.uk> wrote: > > On Sep 15, 10:22 pm, Mikkel Høgh <mikkelho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > To illustrate my point, take a look at this image, a screenshot of a > > > very normal Firefox tab bar of mine: > http://mikkel.hoegh.org/galleries/odd_stuff/i_3_favicons?size=_original > > > It's much easier for me to find what I need by help of favicons - and > > > yes, most of the time, I have so many tabs open that I cannot see the > > > title of the web pages.
> > Easy, Django is the one without a favicon... oh wait, there's lots of > > them in there.. I presume you're complaining to all of the other sites > > that don't have them too?
> Ideally, I should be, shouldn't I? Regardless, I don't see how helping > all kinds of strangers get better branding on their websites. I do see > the benefit strengthening the Django brand, however, since in open > source, more interest equals more momentum.
> I'm not denying that my motivation here is somewhat selfish, but this > would be a small and quick thing to do. Granted, my Firefox habits are > perhaps not quite normal, but favicons remain a useful visual reminder.
On 18/09/2007, Justin Lilly <justinli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I personally would also like a favicon for the django sites. I took the > liberty of creating one using django's colors and fonts (stole the d from > the logo).
I created something very similar for my own use, which combined with a greasemonkey script to trim the page titles of the documentation ("Django | Formfields & Manipulators | Django Documentation" -> "Formfields & Manipulators") makes it a lot easier for me to navigate django docs in Firefox. (the script is below if anyone is interested.)
My take: If someone has prepared a reasonable icon, why *not* use it?
// Normally page titles are like this: "Django | Formfields & Manipulators | Django Documentation" // We change it to be just the Page title and then add an icon to distinguish it from other tabs
// change the title var title_parts = document.title.split(' | '); if (title_parts.length == 3) { document.title = title_parts[1]
}
// set the favicon var icon = document.createElement("link"); icon.rel = "shortcut icon"; icon.href = "/path/to/django_favicon.png"; icon.type = "image/png"; document.documentElement.firstChild.appendChild(icon);
On Sep 17, 10:17 am, "Justin Lilly" <justinli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I personally would also like a favicon for the django sites. I took the > liberty of creating one using django's colors and fonts (stole the d from > the logo).
It should be possible to use Apache with mod_rewrite to serve the favicon.ico file statically, like this (in the Directory block for the document root): RewriteEngine On RewriteBase / RewriteRule ^(favicon.ico|robots.txt)$ static/$1 [L]
And then do the following: <Location /static> SetHandler None </Location>
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 00:29 +0000, Johann C. Rocholl wrote: > On Sep 17, 10:17 am, "Justin Lilly" <justinli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I personally would also like a favicon for the django sites. I took the > > liberty of creating one using django's colors and fonts (stole the d from > > the logo).
> On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 00:29 +0000, Johann C. Rocholl wrote: > > On Sep 17, 10:17 am, "Justin Lilly" <justinli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I personally would also like a favicon for the django sites. I took > the > > > liberty of creating one using django's colors and fonts (stole the d > from > > > the logo).
I agree that a favicon is one of those fit-and-finish touches that helps complete a website. Attached are my attempts. I agree with Todd that "dj" is a better reminder of Django, and the color should be greener (look at the badges to see that Wilson didn't slavishly follow the deep green of the logos when making smaller versions of it). I've also rejiggered the letters a bit to avoid smeary-looking blurs.
Now we just need to get someone to put it on the site...
Todd O'Bryan wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 00:29 +0000, Johann C. Rocholl wrote:
>> On Sep 17, 10:17 am, "Justin Lilly" <justinli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I personally would also like a favicon for the django sites. I took the >>> liberty of creating one using django's colors and fonts (stole the d from >>> the logo).
> I agree that a favicon is one of those fit-and-finish touches that helps > complete a website. Attached are my attempts. I agree with Todd that > "dj" is a better reminder of Django, and the color should be greener > (look at the badges to see that Wilson didn't slavishly follow the deep > green of the logos when making smaller versions of it). I've also > rejiggered the letters a bit to avoid smeary-looking blurs.
> Now we just need to get someone to put it on the site...
> --Ned.
> Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 00:29 +0000, Johann C. Rocholl wrote:
> >>> I personally would also like a favicon for the django sites. I took the > >>> liberty of creating one using django's colors and fonts (stole the d from > >>> the logo).
> I agree that a favicon is one of those fit-and-finish touches that helps > complete a website. Attached are my attempts. I agree with Todd that > "dj" is a better reminder of Django, and the color should be greener > (look at the badges to see that Wilson didn't slavishly follow the deep > green of the logos when making smaller versions of it). I've also > rejiggered the letters a bit to avoid smeary-looking blurs.
> Now we just need to get someone to put it on the site...
> --Ned.
> Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 00:29 +0000, Johann C. Rocholl wrote:
> >>> I personally would also like a favicon for the django sites. I took the > >>> liberty of creating one using django's colors and fonts (stole the d from > >>> the logo).
If no one is against this, why hasn't anything happened yet? If Jacob, or anyone else, is against it, I wish they would step forward and say so. Perhaps even argue as to why.
On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 06:05 -0700, Mikkel Høgh wrote: > If no one is against this, why hasn't anything happened yet? > If Jacob, or anyone else, is against it, I wish they would step > forward and say so. Perhaps even argue as to why.
This is now just getting rude.
There are over 700 open bugs. If nobody is against fixing them, why are they still open? Why hasn't anything happened yet? The horrors! Oh, wait, maybe it's that thing where we take small, regular, steady steps.
Please try to appreciate that we don't have infinite amounts of time and there are much higher priority issues than this one. Django will still continue to function and we still continue to get millions of hits to the website despite the lack of the icon you want to have in place so much. Perhaps show some understanding whilst we manage to struggle on working on improving all aspects of Django?
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