I think we also need to come up with a generic PHP 5 XRDS-Simple parser that we can pass between projects... or is that basically handled by the existing plugin and this module?
> I think we also need to come up with a generic PHP 5 XRDS-Simple > parser that we can pass between projects... or is that basically > handled by the existing plugin and this module?
> Chris
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:19 PM, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> So, last night - based on the WP plugin - I created a simple first > pass XRDS-Simple module for Drupal:
Just FYI: my pydataportability library has parsing of XRDS in place, at least basic one. You can find it at http://code.google.com/p/pydataportability/ and I am planning to soon add the creation of XRDS files. Documentation is on my todo list. For an example download the example package and follow the README to create some sample scripts. Next step would then be to integrate it in some actual application, in my case probably Plone.
Once we have all that in place we might try some interoperability testing :-)
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:40 AM, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Parsing hasn't been addressed yet in my module (there's some crude > XRDS parsing in Drupal's core OpenID RP module)...
> So far, both my module and the wp plugin provide XRDS documents, but > don't consume them.
> Onward!
> On 4-Jun-08, at 2:12 AM, Chris Messina wrote:
>> Yay! ;)
>> Thanks James!
>> I think we also need to come up with a generic PHP 5 XRDS-Simple >> parser that we can pass between projects... or is that basically >> handled by the existing plugin and this module?
>> Chris
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:19 PM, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>> So, last night - based on the WP plugin - I created a simple first >> pass XRDS-Simple module for Drupal:
On 4-Jun-08, at 10:26 AM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote:
>> Yeah, because there isn't a "release" yet, there's no download.
> Ah, cool, got it. Looks like this generates per-user XRDSs, which is > great. Might be a good idea to have it support a site-wide one as > well > :)
It does - it defines 2 endpoints : /xrds and /user/UID/xrds - for site wide & per-user... and the "hook" defined ('hook_xrds') passes an optional user object for context.
One point that might be slightly confusing - is that stand alone the module doesn't actually do *anything* on it's own. I will be committing a change to my in-progress openid_provider module to use xrds-simple for it's XRDS generation that can serve as an initial example...
But, yeah, it's just a first pass atm. More to come :-) -- James Walker :: http://walkah.net/ :: xmpp:wal...@walkah.net
Firstly, I forgot to congratulate you - this is great progress!
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:34 AM, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote: > One point that might be slightly confusing - is that stand alone the > module doesn't actually do *anything* on it's own. I will be > committing a change to my in-progress openid_provider module to use > xrds-simple for it's XRDS generation that can serve as an initial > example...
My MT plugin is the same - it just provides a framework for other plugins to provide services through. And, as you mention here, I'm also going to be rolling OpenID delegation into the plugin, so that it also bootstraps some basic functionality.
As has been discussed in other threads, we need to start tracking what services are, or might be, or should be, using XRDS-Simple for discovery so that we can be sure that all our plugins (Stephen's mine, and yours) all output valid XRDS for the same services inputs.
> It does - it defines 2 endpoints : /xrds and /user/UID/xrds - for site > wide & per-user... and the "hook" defined ('hook_xrds') passes an > optional user object for context.
Ah, ok :)
> One point that might be slightly confusing - is that stand alone the > module doesn't actually do *anything* on it's own. I will be > committing a change to my in-progress openid_provider module to use > xrds-simple for it's XRDS generation that can serve as an initial > example...
My plugin (for WP) does little by itself as well - I added OpenID delegation later as a sort of way to show people it did *something*.
> Firstly, I forgot to congratulate you - this is great progress!
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:34 AM, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> One point that might be slightly confusing - is that stand alone the >> module doesn't actually do *anything* on it's own. I will be >> committing a change to my in-progress openid_provider module to use >> xrds-simple for it's XRDS generation that can serve as an initial >> example...
> My MT plugin is the same - it just provides a framework for other > plugins to provide services through. And, as you mention here, I'm > also going to be rolling OpenID delegation into the plugin, so that it > also bootstraps some basic functionality.
Yeah, there is already an openid delegation plugin for Drupal - I know the maintainer, and I have on my TODO to reach out to him about how to resolve that - either have him use my module for XRDS, or just merge it in.
But, yeah, having it do *something* by default is desirable :)
> As has been discussed in other threads, we need to start tracking what > services are, or might be, or should be, using XRDS-Simple for > discovery so that we can be sure that all our plugins (Stephen's mine, > and yours) all output valid XRDS for the same services inputs.
Great idea! Where should that tracking happen? -- James Walker :: http://walkah.net/ :: xmpp:wal...@walkah.net
James,
Do you have a testbed or install of drupal active somewhere with this
going, so that people can get an account with openID, and then add
some data for their services to their XRDS? also, I know its in flux,
but have you checked out
its a good resource on types of resources. I'm really curious on how
this will play out in terms of classifying and entering different
types of content types (my basic case, "image in flickr"). I'm very
curious to see how the Drupal implementation goes, since I have a few
experiments based around linking of personal data via XRDS. good
stuff!
Josh
On Jun 4, 3:29 pm, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> James, > Do you have a testbed or install of drupal active somewhere with this > going, so that people can get an account with openID, and then add > some data for their services to their XRDS? also, I know its in flux, > but have you checked out
> its a good resource on types of resources. I'm really curious on how > this will play out in terms of classifying and entering different > types of content types (my basic case, "image in flickr"). I'm very > curious to see how the Drupal implementation goes, since I have a few > experiments based around linking of personal data via XRDS. good > stuff!
> Josh
> On Jun 4, 3:29 pm, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 4-Jun-08, at 11:28 AM, Steve Ivy wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Stephen Paul Weber >>> <singpol...@gmail.com >>>> wrote:
>>>> My plugin (for WP) does little by itself as well - I added OpenID >>>> delegation later as a sort of way to show people it did >>>> *something*.
> James, > Do you have a testbed or install of drupal active somewhere with this > going, so that people can get an account with openID, and then add > some data for their services to their XRDS? also, I know its in flux, > but have you checked out
> its a good resource on types of resources. I'm really curious on how > this will play out in terms of classifying and entering different > types of content types (my basic case, "image in flickr"). I'm very > curious to see how the Drupal implementation goes, since I have a few > experiments based around linking of personal data via XRDS. good > stuff!
> Josh
> On Jun 4, 3:29 pm, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 4-Jun-08, at 11:28 AM, Steve Ivy wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Stephen Paul Weber >>> <singpol...@gmail.com >>>> wrote:
>>>> My plugin (for WP) does little by itself as well - I added OpenID >>>> delegation later as a sort of way to show people it did >>>> *something*.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:37 AM, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not yet.... but I'll put one together and post it around for the > group. Stay tuned :-)
> On 4-Jun-08, at 11:15 PM, Josh Patterson wrote:
>> James, >> Do you have a testbed or install of drupal active somewhere with this >> going, so that people can get an account with openID, and then add >> some data for their services to their XRDS? also, I know its in flux, >> but have you checked out
>> its a good resource on types of resources. I'm really curious on how >> this will play out in terms of classifying and entering different >> types of content types (my basic case, "image in flickr"). I'm very >> curious to see how the Drupal implementation goes, since I have a few >> experiments based around linking of personal data via XRDS. good >> stuff!
>> Josh
>> On Jun 4, 3:29 pm, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 4-Jun-08, at 11:28 AM, Steve Ivy wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Stephen Paul Weber >>>> <singpol...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> My plugin (for WP) does little by itself as well - I added OpenID >>>>> delegation later as a sort of way to show people it did >>>>> *something*.
Gabe,
yeah, we've had the discussion before. I talked to Steve Ivy a little
bit about XRDS-S entry examples, and he told me that he was in the
same spot that I've been in, basically, neither of us have seen much
in the way of XRDS-S examples in the wild on how to list basic
services. There are tons of ways that we're going to need to list
services, so I think maybe if we had like an example of the week, that
would be pretty damn cool --- is that something you could put up on
xrdstype.net in a section? Each week maybe someone posts a site they
aren't quite sure how to enter in their XRDS-S, and we discuss it in a
thread (here, there, wherever), and then whatever we come up with post
it on the xrdstype.net example of the week section.
Example (and to be honest, I've not done my homework on what apis
flickr lists, but this would be an easy "get us started" type thing)
--- how do we list the various endpoints that house our data inside
flickr? I think that would be a really good starter example of the
week, and although some may think thats trivial or have a quick
answer, it would be an interesting discussion to see the various
viewpoints on it (whats the best way to describe it? how do we say 'X
points to my list of images'? what do we point to?) --- and as we
answer these, I believe a pattern will emerge that we can apply to
other resources. Plus, this gives good example cases for good ways to
both expose data and consume data.
Thoughts?
Josh Patterson
On Jun 5, 12:25 am, Gabriel Wachob <gwac...@wachob.com> wrote:
> Please do let us know if there's something you'd like listed there, or
> if you have feedback/suggestions, etc.
> We're still in the "seeing if its useful for the community" phase
> right now, so your input is very eagerly appreciated.
> -Gabe
> On Jun 4, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Josh Patterson wrote:
> > James,
> > Do you have a testbed or install of drupal active somewhere with this
> > going, so that people can get an account with openID, and then add
> > some data for their services to their XRDS? also, I know its in flux,
> > but have you checked out
> > its a good resource on types of resources. I'm really curious on how
> > this will play out in terms of classifying and entering different
> > types of content types (my basic case, "image in flickr"). I'm very
> > curious to see how the Drupal implementation goes, since I have a few
> > experiments based around linking of personal data via XRDS. good
> > stuff!
> > Josh
> > On Jun 4, 3:29 pm, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 4-Jun-08, at 11:28 AM, Steve Ivy wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Stephen Paul Weber
> >>> <singpol...@gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> My plugin (for WP) does little by itself as well - I added OpenID
> >>>> delegation later as a sort of way to show people it did
> >>>> *something*.
I think doing an XRDS-Simple document for Flickr and Fire Eagle would be good starters... especially as I'd like to mirror the Flickr API in DiSo: http://factoryjoe.pbwiki.com/wp-diso-flickr-api
Would it also make sense to map MIME-types to XRDS-S types to aid in generic content type discovery? i.e. show me Chris' PNGs, JPGs, GIFs? Or not?
Otherwise, perhaps we just use well known web services (Twitter, Digg, Flickr, et al) to give us URI-based types to help us get started.
Otherwise, do we have a list of types of content/data that we want to support anyway? No reason why we can't just bootstrap it for now with best efforts at some essential types...
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Josh Patterson <jpatter...@floe.tv> wrote:
> Gabe, > yeah, we've had the discussion before. I talked to Steve Ivy a little > bit about XRDS-S entry examples, and he told me that he was in the > same spot that I've been in, basically, neither of us have seen much > in the way of XRDS-S examples in the wild on how to list basic > services. There are tons of ways that we're going to need to list > services, so I think maybe if we had like an example of the week, that > would be pretty damn cool --- is that something you could put up on > xrdstype.net in a section? Each week maybe someone posts a site they > aren't quite sure how to enter in their XRDS-S, and we discuss it in a > thread (here, there, wherever), and then whatever we come up with post > it on the xrdstype.net example of the week section.
> Example (and to be honest, I've not done my homework on what apis > flickr lists, but this would be an easy "get us started" type thing) > --- how do we list the various endpoints that house our data inside > flickr? I think that would be a really good starter example of the > week, and although some may think thats trivial or have a quick > answer, it would be an interesting discussion to see the various > viewpoints on it (whats the best way to describe it? how do we say 'X > points to my list of images'? what do we point to?) --- and as we > answer these, I believe a pattern will emerge that we can apply to > other resources. Plus, this gives good example cases for good ways to > both expose data and consume data.
> Thoughts?
> Josh Patterson
> On Jun 5, 12:25 am, Gabriel Wachob <gwac...@wachob.com> wrote: > > Christian Scholz and I are runninghttp://xrdstype.net
> > Please do let us know if there's something you'd like listed there, or > > if you have feedback/suggestions, etc.
> > We're still in the "seeing if its useful for the community" phase > > right now, so your input is very eagerly appreciated.
> > -Gabe
> > On Jun 4, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Josh Patterson wrote:
> > > James, > > > Do you have a testbed or install of drupal active somewhere with this > > > going, so that people can get an account with openID, and then add > > > some data for their services to their XRDS? also, I know its in flux, > > > but have you checked out
> > > its a good resource on types of resources. I'm really curious on how > > > this will play out in terms of classifying and entering different > > > types of content types (my basic case, "image in flickr"). I'm very > > > curious to see how the Drupal implementation goes, since I have a few > > > experiments based around linking of personal data via XRDS. good > > > stuff!
> > > Josh
> > > On Jun 4, 3:29 pm, James Walker <wal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On 4-Jun-08, at 11:28 AM, Steve Ivy wrote:
> > >>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Stephen Paul Weber > > >>> <singpol...@gmail.com > > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>> My plugin (for WP) does little by itself as well - I added OpenID > > >>>> delegation later as a sort of way to show people it did > > >>>> *something*.
> > Would it also make sense to map MIME-types to XRDS-S types to aid in > generic > > content type discovery? i.e. show me Chris' PNGs, JPGs, GIFs? Or not?
and case in point, these are the types of things that are good to
illustrate in an "example of the week" entry (just like Chris, I did
not remember that point about mediatype); basically, show how a
popular site would be listed, and then use one aspect of its listing
as an opportunity to educate the audience on the ins-and-outs of XRDS-
S's tag types. I think this would help a lot since right now there are
a lot of types of data interop formats and technologies floating
around out there, with a lot of "just use this!" type of media too.
With a weekly educational section we can create very public examples
that provide for not only good reference material, but also allow XRDS-
S to be separated from the sea of acronyms and provide more quality
signal above the proverbial noise.
I'm working on some blog entries centered around not only the coming
shifts in the personal data economy, but also how I see the emerging
Linked Data Ecology coming along. I'd say more and more "keyframes"
like these showing how to interlink site data and personal data will
help evolve the concept of linked data and create far more rich data
sub ecosystems than we can currently lay out. However, far more
hackers will copy and paste code snippets than will ever go and
research topics like the XRDS-S spec or the mechanics of RDF
inferencing, so making the XRDS-S adoption as turnkey as possible is
just Good Stuff. A technology built on emerging interop standards
needs a critical mass, so getting as many of the mass adopters to jump
on board with simple examples can't hurt.
Possibly make it a running XRDS-S blog entry series, or a section on
the xrdstype.net page? Dont know, I'll leave that up to Gabe and co to
decide, however, I'm more than willing to work on examples as we go.
Josh
On Jun 8, 2:59 pm, "Stephen Paul Weber" <singpol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Would it also make sense to map MIME-types to XRDS-S types to aid in generic
> > content type discovery? i.e. show me Chris' PNGs, JPGs, GIFs? Or not?
I'd be happy to post this sort of content to xrdstype.net - and I'd be even happier if one of you would like to own that periodic content publishing!!! ;)
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Josh Patterson <jpatter...@floe.tv> wrote:
> and case in point, these are the types of things that are good to > illustrate in an "example of the week" entry (just like Chris, I did > not remember that point about mediatype); basically, show how a > popular site would be listed, and then use one aspect of its listing > as an opportunity to educate the audience on the ins-and-outs of XRDS- > S's tag types. I think this would help a lot since right now there are > a lot of types of data interop formats and technologies floating > around out there, with a lot of "just use this!" type of media too.
> With a weekly educational section we can create very public examples > that provide for not only good reference material, but also allow XRDS- > S to be separated from the sea of acronyms and provide more quality > signal above the proverbial noise.
> I'm working on some blog entries centered around not only the coming > shifts in the personal data economy, but also how I see the emerging > Linked Data Ecology coming along. I'd say more and more "keyframes" > like these showing how to interlink site data and personal data will > help evolve the concept of linked data and create far more rich data > sub ecosystems than we can currently lay out. However, far more > hackers will copy and paste code snippets than will ever go and > research topics like the XRDS-S spec or the mechanics of RDF > inferencing, so making the XRDS-S adoption as turnkey as possible is > just Good Stuff. A technology built on emerging interop standards > needs a critical mass, so getting as many of the mass adopters to jump > on board with simple examples can't hurt.
> Possibly make it a running XRDS-S blog entry series, or a section on > the xrdstype.net page? Dont know, I'll leave that up to Gabe and co to > decide, however, I'm more than willing to work on examples as we go.
> Josh
> On Jun 8, 2:59 pm, "Stephen Paul Weber" <singpol...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Would it also make sense to map MIME-types to XRDS-S types to aid in generic >> > content type discovery? i.e. show me Chris' PNGs, JPGs, GIFs? Or not?
