digital voice "get together"

[Kristoff Bonne]

Hi all,



Perhaps a dumb idea, but with everybody involved / interested in digital
voice, wouldn't it be an idea to organise a "get-together" from time to
time with everybody here. An email mailing-list is one thing, but
actually "talking" to people is also nice too.

All we need to do a fix a time and a common platform for everybody (e.g.
allstar, which interconnects echolink, IRLP, D-STAR, P-12 and its own
system). Nothing to formal, just intertroduce yourself and talk.

I know that the people involved on this list are spread over three
different continents so finding a time that suits everybody may be
difficult, so I propose a "round robin" methode for a timeslot to suits
at least 2 of the 3 continents.




Any ideas?


73
kristoff - ON1ARF

[Andrew O'Brien]

Good idea!

Andy k3UK

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[Matthew Pitts]

Kristoff,

An excellent idea. Anyone that is willing to do this can link into my system at the following locations:

Echolink users are welcome to connect to N8OHU-R via Android/iPhone/desktop client; those that have radio links can connect to 749507.

AllStar Link users should connect to 28913, which is one of my four AllStar nodes; I would prefer if AllStar Link users would connect here rather than the others.

D-Star users that have the option to do so can connect to XRF669.

I do not currently support connections via IRLP, but if we use the Experimenters Corner network that I am a part of for this, there are several IRLP experimental nodes that are part of the system that could be used.

Matthew Pitts

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[kenneth Grimard]

hi all

you can also connect on the dstar side to xrf727 or xrf901 or xrf587. on the exp irlp side you can connect to exp0056 or exp0059.

on the allstar side you can connect to 28064 or 29345 or 28062 or 29346.

on the echolink you can also connect to n1dot-r or w4icy-r.

all of these systems are cross connected at all times and are connected to the n8ohu systems also.

all are welcome to use them to discuss anything experimental in ham radio.

it is also known as the experimenters corner all are welcome..

ken n1dot

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[Kristoff Bonne]

Hi Ken, all,


Well, now you know why I explicity mentioned allstar in my previous message. :-)
I connect to N1DOT-R from time to time from my echolink linknode.



So it look like that -from a technology point of view-, it should not be a problem. The only thing I want to avoid is that we all connect to the same box overloading some poor old repeater somewhere. I don't know if all the access-methodes you propose all arrive at one single box that has to interconnect this all together.

Also, I kind-of stayed away from using N1DOT-R because I don't know if thisn't also a "normal" repeater, with its own local users who use it for their local talk. I do not want to annoy your local users all these "foreigners" coming in to talk about digital voice?
From an "echolink" point of view, wouldn't a "conference" would be more logical place (just like D-STAR uses a reflector for this, not an individual repeater).


Anycase, I guess the only other thing to do is a find a timeslot. Most logicaly some weekend. Perhaps we should simply set up a doodle for this.


73
kristoff - ON1ARF

[kenneth Grimard]

hi kristoff

the system is split up on multiple nodes and links for redundancy. n1dot-r is not a repeater but a entry point in to one of the analog cross bridges here.  it is a bunches of system's that are link to each other on multiple sites.

on analog there are three sites that are cross linked and on dstar there a five different sites cross linked.

ken n1dot

[kenneth Grimard]

hi krisoff

there is nothing for me to link the echolink side of the system to an echolink conference. the allstar system is one big conference system in it self and so is the dstar side with the five reflectors all connected to each other then bridge to analog.

on the system here we discuss any and all technologies new or old.

hence the name the experimenters corner. it does not matter to anyone here.....

ken n1dot




On 6/16/2013 3:30 PM, Kristoff Bonne wrote:

[Matthew Pitts]

Kristoff, That's why Ken and I mentioned the multiple input points for many of the systems we have on the Experimenters Corner. Matthew Pitts N8OHU

[Matthew Pitts]

Ken,

I'm permanently linked to the WB5OD-L system via Echolink, which is set up as an Echolink Conference server; I'm vice-president of the club that runs it and I don't see an issue with it being used for this.

Matthew Pitts

N8OHU

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[Kristoff Bonne]

Ken,


Just to be sure, .. is this RF-part of the repeater also used by people in your area?


I have been thinking. There are two ways we can see this:
- a one-time or "recursive" event (say once every 6 weeks or so), for a limited time.

- as a more permanent base for anything related to digital voice. E.g. perhaps it would be a nice addition to John's QSO finder website, say if you want to meet up with somebody for a FreeDV test.
I'm not saying that is should / must / will turn into this.  I just think it would not be very "hamlike" to the local users of your repeater if we would be "hyjacking" their repeater this.




For the event itself, I will set up a doodle.
I will propose a couple of timeslots during the next two weekends. Everybody can then vote for what suits you and the timeslot with most of the votes wins.



73
kristoff - ON1ARF

[Kenneth Grimard]

hi kris

no n1dot-r does not have a repeater or radio attached to it. it is a cross link to allstar only. it is also set to accept up to 20
connections from echolink also.

it is an entry point for the echolink / allstar / dstar / exp irlp reflector bridge. via the dstar reflector is is also cross linked to
5 other dstar reflectors. Three of those other reflectors have to similar setup as my cross bridge.

kyle kj4qal system also have a echolink / allstar / exp irlp reflector / dstar bridge
matt n8ohu system has a echolink / allstar / dstar bridge which is also connected to WB5OD-L echolink conference node.

the whole back bone is linked via 5 dstar XRF reflectors. any of the bridge's on the analog side can be connected to other
echolink / allstar system's on demand.

there are no radio's on my bridge at this time kris. the only connections are other gateway's (analog or digital ) that connect via the other networks.

as i said before the whole system is open for any discussion on any experimenter's projects. it does not matter what is is.
We as a group welcome all traffic on the Experimenters Corner. it does not even matter if you use analog or a digital radio.
All are welcome here on the system which I am part of.

ken n1dot

[Tony Langdon]

On 17/06/13 3:47 AM, Matthew Pitts wrote:

Kristoff,

An excellent idea. Anyone that is willing to do this can link into my system at the following locations:

Echolink users are welcome to connect to N8OHU-R via Android/iPhone/desktop client; those that have radio links can connect to 749507.

AllStar Link users should connect to 28913, which is one of my four AllStar nodes; I would prefer if AllStar Link users would connect here rather than the others.

D-Star users that have the option to do so can connect to XRF669.

I do not currently support connections via IRLP, but if we use the Experimenters Corner network that I am a part of for this, there are several IRLP experimental nodes that are part of the system that could be used.

Experimental IRLP nodes are not accessible to all nodes.  The node owner has to specifically allow connections to experimental nodes.  If you can connect to one of my systems such as *VK3JED*, then that will give you access to an IRLP reflector (9558).

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[kenneth Grimard]

Hi tony

I can also bring the system to you also via echolink or you can connect to it via echolink also.

ken n1dot

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[Tony Langdon]

On 17/06/13 3:54 PM, kenneth Grimard wrote:

Hi tony

I can also bring the system to you also via echolink or you can connect to it via echolink also.

For the purpose of a net, I could hook up an IRLP reflector via Echolink, just to add another mode. :)

[kenneth Grimard]

that would work out very nicely..

ken n1doot

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[Tony Langdon]

On 18/06/13 9:37 AM, kenneth Grimard wrote:

that would work out very nicely..

Name a time for the net and I'll be there (well I may not be, but I can set a cron job to connect :) ).

[Kristoff Bonne]

Hi All,


As promised, to find a good date to do this, I have created a doodle for
this event:
http://doodle.com/yg6ex3t5weuhwwqq


This way, everybody can insert the times when a possible event would
suit you.
Concidering this mailing-list has participents around the world, I have
created timeslots
- this weekend and next weekend
- 3 timeslots per day, 8 hours appart

(please click on the "show all 20 options" to get a full list of options.

Everybody who is interested can just add his/her name (no need to create
usersname, password, give your password and sign with your blood) and
click on what options are OK.


Some comments
- I have just randomly chosen these timeslots. If you think there would
be other dates / times added to the list, feel free to let me know

- the goal of this doodle is to get an rough idea what timeslots fit
most people. Of course, there is nothing that stops you from connecting
to the allstar conference system and have your own get-around or just
have a chat with whoever might be present in the conference at that time.


- Yes, the doodle system does allow you to change the information of
other people. Let's keep it friendly, OK?




73
kristoff - ON1ARF

[Kristoff Bonne]

Hi All,



Some practicle information:
- to provide as much as possible ways to get everybody connected, the
get-together will be organised via allstar. The following servers /
access-ports are available and should (if all goes well) be connected to
one big room:

(part of an earlier message of Ed):

you can also connect on the dstar side to xrf727 or xrf901 or xrf587.
on the exp irlp side you can connect to exp0056 or exp0059.
on the allstar side you can connect to 28064 or 29345 or 28062 or 29346.
on the echolink you can also connect to n1dot-r or w4icy-r.

Other ports (information based on other emails):
echolink N8OHU-R (749507)
allstar 28913
d-star XRF669

(possible)
echolink VK3JED and from thereon to IRLP reflector 9558


Once this information has been verified / acknowledged, this information
will be added to the doodle information page.



- as this is not an official "net" (and there is therefor no
net-control), I don't know how this is going to work out. Remember these
are voip-systems so delay is going to be an issue.
Try to keep the overs short and do leave sufficient time before
answering to allow somebody else to get in

- From the echolink side, I should be able to see who is connected and
who wants to talk using a PC client. However, I do not have any view on
who wants to get in via one of the other systems.
So I don't know how this is going to turn out when we have to many
people talking at the same time.



73
kristoff - ON1ARF

[Tony Langdon]

On 19/06/13 8:22 AM, Kristoff Bonne wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
> As promised, to find a good date to do this, I have created a doodle
> for this event:
> http://doodle.com/yg6ex3t5weuhwwqq

Done. I just used my callsign. :) My availability is subject to
various factors:

Mornings (2200 -0200 UTC) - weekdays (local time) only, weekends are
taken up with commitments.
Afternoons (0200 - 0700 UTC) - most days these are feasible. Sharp
cutoffs apply sometime between 0700 and 0800 UTC most days.
Evenings (0800 - 1200 UTC) - generally not available unless extremely
important.
Night (the rest) - Not available. :)

Only thing is I haven't factored possible appointments into the votes at
this stage, some of those can affect availability.

[Tony Langdon]

On 19/06/13 8:37 AM, Kristoff Bonne wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>

> Some practicle information:
> - to provide as much as possible ways to get everybody connected, the
> get-together will be organised via allstar. The following servers /
> access-ports are available and should (if all goes well) be connected
> to one big room:
>
> (part of an earlier message of Ed):
> you can also connect on the dstar side to xrf727 or xrf901 or xrf587.
> on the exp irlp side you can connect to exp0056 or exp0059.
> on the allstar side you can connect to 28064 or 29345 or 28062 or 29346.
> on the echolink you can also connect to n1dot-r or w4icy-r.
>
> Other ports (information based on other emails):
> echolink N8OHU-R (749507)
> allstar 28913
> d-star XRF669
>
> (possible)
> echolink VK3JED and from thereon to IRLP reflector 9558

That's *VK3JED* (the conference), not to be confused with my PC user.
:) Unlike experimental IRLP, 9558 is available to all IRLP nodes.
Alternatively, I could use 9555, which is a transcoding full duplex IRLP
reflector that's also on Echolink - standard IRLP nodes will connect
half duplex using G711u, but the system will also accept ADPCM and GSM
connections in half or full duplex, if you configure your node to do these.

*VK3JED*/9558 is GSM half duplex only (no transcoding, just a packet
repeater and protocol converter).

Which would you guys prefer? :)

Oh, a text chat medium alongside would be nice as well. I'd suggest
either IRC (maybe on somewhere like Freenode) or Jabber. Unfortunately,
the codec2.org Jabber server appears to be down. :(

[n8vnr]

I tend to prefer IRC over Jabber. There is already a #freedv channel on Freenode.

[Tony Langdon]

On 20/06/13 5:09 AM, n8vnr wrote:
> I tend to prefer IRC over Jabber. There is already a #freedv channel
> on Freenode.

#freedv would be the appropriate place for liaison, when the net takes
place. I'll be there if I'm on during the net.

[Kristoff Bonne]

Hi All,

On 20-06-13 00:45, Tony Langdon wrote:
> On 20/06/13 5:09 AM, n8vnr wrote:
>> I tend to prefer IRC over Jabber. There is already a #freedv channel
>> on Freenode.
> #freedv would be the appropriate place for liaison, when the net takes
> place. I'll be there if I'm on during the net.
>

Concidering the outcome of the google, tomorrow 22/7 at 6 UTC seams to
be best for everybody.

There are only 5 people who voted, but of course everybody is welcome.


The idea of a seperate chat-channel is a good idea: IRC channel #freedv
on freenode is accepted.



73
kristoff - ON1ARF

[Tony Langdon]

On 21/06/13 8:17 PM, Kristoff Bonne wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
>
> On 20-06-13 00:45, Tony Langdon wrote:
>> On 20/06/13 5:09 AM, n8vnr wrote:
>>> I tend to prefer IRC over Jabber. There is already a #freedv channel
>>> on Freenode.
>> #freedv would be the appropriate place for liaison, when the net
>> takes place. I'll be there if I'm on during the net.
>>
> Concidering the outcome of the google, tomorrow 22/7 at 6 UTC seams to
> be best for everybody.

Lousy time for me on a Saturday, I can't promise anything.

>
> There are only 5 people who voted, but of course everybody is welcome.
>
>
> The idea of a seperate chat-channel is a good idea: IRC channel
> #freedv on freenode is accepted.

I am likely to be able to hang out on #freedv, but audio is 50/50 or
worse at that time.

[Kristoff Bonne]

Hi Tony,

On 21-06-13 12:56, Tony Langdon wrote:
> On 21/06/13 8:17 PM, Kristoff Bonne wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20-06-13 00:45, Tony Langdon wrote:
>>> On 20/06/13 5:09 AM, n8vnr wrote:
>>>> I tend to prefer IRC over Jabber. There is already a #freedv
>>>> channel on Freenode.
>>> #freedv would be the appropriate place for liaison, when the net
>>> takes place. I'll be there if I'm on during the net.
>>>
>> Concidering the outcome of the google, tomorrow 22/7 at 6 UTC seams
>> to be best for everybody.
> Lousy time for me on a Saturday, I can't promise anything.

OK, would sunday suit better for you?

I see that everybody else aknowledged both on saterday and on sunday? I
think I will be able to make it anyway.



73
kristoff - ON1ARF

[Tony Langdon]

On 21/06/13 9:09 PM, Kristoff Bonne wrote:
> Hi Tony,

> OK, would sunday suit better for you?
>
> I see that everybody else aknowledged both on saterday and on sunday?
> I think I will be able to make it anyway.

Sunday's slightly better, though weekends aren't great for me, still
going to be somewhat hit and miss, but I'll try and make it. Just
depends what I'm doing at the time and that's not entirely predictable.

[John D. Hays]

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[Chris Testa]

I can't make it this weekend either, I'm going on a backpacking trip.

[Kristoff Bonne]

Hi,


Well, the get-together was done as a "friendly come-if-you-want" event.

The reason I put it on the weekend is that an morning on one side of earth is morning at the other side of the global. As most people do work during the week, it is probably the best place to put an event spanning the three contents.

But, as it obvious that people do have other things to do during the weekends. (e.g. next weekend completely blocked for me).


So, what I propose is that we keep the idea of
- three possible timeslots per day
- the allstar system
- (if needed) the IRC #freedv channel

I would propose that
- if you are interested in a scheduled event, use this list or the IRC channel, or the FreeDV qso findder
- or just connect to the allstar system whenever you like and send out a yell.



For me, I have a bit of a problem myself. I have been experminting with thelinkbox on the pi to see if the oss compatibilty layer of pulseaudio is any better then the one from ALSA on the pi, with the result that ... I currently do not have any audio at all. Oh well, that's life!  :-(



73
kristoff - ON1ARF

[Tony Langdon]

On 22/06/13 10:26 PM, Kristoff Bonne wrote:

Hi,


Well, the get-together was done as a "friendly come-if-you-want" event.

Like herding cats. :)

The reason I put it on the weekend is that an morning on one side of earth is morning at the other side of the global. As most people do work during the week, it is probably the best place to put an event spanning the three contents.

But, as it obvious that people do have other things to do during the weekends. (e.g. next weekend completely blocked for me).

Ironically, weekends tend to work against me, there are slots on weekdays (like around 0600 UTC) where there's some free time most days.

So, what I propose is that we keep the idea of
- three possible timeslots per day
- the allstar system
- (if needed) the IRC #freedv channel

I think we should always use #freedv alongside the net, it is generally more accessible to me than audio (less chance of conflicts).

I would propose that
- if you are interested in a scheduled event, use this list or the IRC channel, or the FreeDV qso findder
- or just connect to the allstar system whenever you like and send out a yell.

Need to keep a list of all of the entry points up.

For me, I have a bit of a problem myself. I have been experminting with thelinkbox on the pi to see if the oss compatibilty layer of pulseaudio is any better then the one from ALSA on the pi, with the result that ... I currently do not have any audio at all. Oh well, that's life!  :-(

Well, you learned something. :)