Reaching out to budding documentarians

[Erin Quick-Laughlin]

Disclaimer:  This is an experiment in transparency with our current DHMN community.  Normally, I would probably just send this idea to Bob as our Community Liason, get his input, mull it over in small pieces with others, then roll out a plan if it passes muster.  However, I really enjoy all the fantastic ideas that come from everyone being involved.  So I ask just two things if you're going to chime in on this: 

1) If you see a problem with this, can you respond with the solution too? Or a better way to get the end result?  We're usually pretty good about that anyway.

2) Understand that I like breaking the rules to see what good can come of it.

Hi Bob,

Can't sleep - have a ton of ideas about next steps to promote DHMN.

Here's one that I think you might enjoy as Community Liason:

Find a budding film maker that will record everything we do and create a documentary.

I was going to reach out to someone at  http://www.filmconnection.com/school-locations/green-bay-appleton but then questioned if I'd be stepping on your toes in our org.

I'm also considering all the possible threads off of this article about SnagFilms - albeit old, it could yield an interesting discovery - but I have too much to get out at the moment to read all the links right now. http://gigaom.com/video/snagfilms-best-thing-for-docs-since-netflix/

I'll be out of state through April 30 on vacation, but if you're interested in doing some contacting, and stoking fires about our up-and-coming makerspace, I'd like to partner with you on getting people fired up to film us.

My goal is to create more excitement through the attention of getting filmed, the sharing of that film and validation it would give us when going after bigger funds.  My primary idea is a combination of short releases, used to inspire a lawyer (to donate 501c3 work) and a physical-space donation by any combo of large local tech companies and Arts funds, that would be eventually released as a full length documentary about a growing distributed community struggling to create a space and eventually go from the social holon that we are now, to Suarez' idea of a holon.

I'm sure ideas like this one have all been in your head before, and will be again.  But now I can't sleep, and I'm fired up to get out in front of people and convince them. :)

Erin QL

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[Alex Hunt]

What about contacting the guy that put Bob Watson in a starring role?

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

If you don't want to look real far, I would like to offer my skills as a budding film maker. I have a hd camera, a rode microphone with wind sock, adobe master collection and an associates degree in multimedia. just sayin

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[Lynne Whitehorn]

On 4/20/2012 7:23 AM, Karl P. Niemuth II wrote:
> If you don't want to look real far, I would like to offer my skills as
> a budding film maker. I have a hd camera, a rode microphone with wind
> sock, adobe master collection and an associates degree in multimedia.
> just sayin

I have a home-built steady-cam rig you're welcome to use.

-Lynne

[Bob Watson]

I'd like to see us start a DHMN channel on YouTube. It could include the developing documentary, maybe some education/information programing, (This Month in 3D Printing). Becoming a source of maker information could do a lot to establish non-profit educational credentials.

I'd like to see a now-and-then simple animation series (Flights of Fancy) that visualizes some of the whimsical extrapolations that are always popping out of conversations, like Lynne's army of snow clearing automata. Do we have the skilzors? I recall Mike Putnam making some nice whiteboard animations a while ago.

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[Ross Larson]

I have some meager experience rendering and uploading videos to newlug.blip.tv.  It would be fun to help out with video production.  One of the first things to upload would be our definitions of terms we often use, like DHMN, holon, hacker, darknet, maker, etc.  I've read the Suarez books, but I know that some members may feel alienated when we get too jargon-y, and explanatory videos may help with that, especially when someone overhears that you've been spending time with your demon (DHMN) hacker pals.

As an aside, here is an excellent slide deck about community building ( http://www.slideshare.net/marioherger/launching-communities-letting-others-do-the-work-and-taking-all-the-credit-9702782 ).

Ross

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

I can animate with flash and 3ds max

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Bob Watson <rha...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

pop up notes on youtube for jargony stuff with links to more info 

[Lynne Whitehorn]

On 4/20/2012 8:44 AM, Bob Watson wrote:
> I'd like to see us start a DHMN channel on YouTube. It could include
> the developing documentary, maybe some education/information
> programing, (This Month in 3D Printing). Becoming a source of maker
> information could do a lot to establish non-profit educational
> credentials.
>
> I'd like to see a now-and-then simple animation series (Flights of
> Fancy) that visualizes some of the whimsical extrapolations that are
> always popping out of conversations, like Lynne's army of snow
> clearing automata. Do we have the skilzors? I recall Mike Putnam
> making some nice whiteboard animations a while ago.

Cool! Sign me up (a little).

-Lynne

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

sign me up for everything... I need this in my portfolio and my website... samples of work are important!!!

[Mike Putnam]

Here are the little hack-ups I did over a year ago:

http://theputnams.net/mike/2011/01/16/a-timelapse-doodle/

http://theputnams.net/mike/2011/01/24/madhackerhaus-1/

Mike

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 08:44:51AM -0500, Bob Watson wrote:
I'd like to see us start a DHMN channel on YouTube. It could include the
developing documentary, maybe some education/information programing, (This
Month in 3D Printing). Becoming a source of maker information could do a
lot to establish non-profit educational credentials.
I'd like to see a now-and-then simple animation series (Flights of Fancy)

that visualizes some of the*whimsical*extrapolations that are always

[Bob Waldron]

Erin and all other DHMN members,

{Erin -- hopefully we know each other well enough that you know I'm not saying in any way that your email was 'bad' -- if any concerns re that, you and I need to have coffee or other beverage soon...}

Will think more about the specific issue(s) presented in this email, but a quick reply seems mandatory regarding "stepping on toes."

"Stepping on toes" needs to not be a concern for DHMN members.

DHMN is a distributed, participant-driven organization. In DHMN, as in an increasing number of today's distributed-and-loosely-connected organizations that are adapting appropriately to current technology and collaborative techniques, there needs to be more willingness to 'step on toes' and an improved ability of an organization's members to work things out well if someone feels their toes have been flattened. The reason to have 'officers' or other designated roles within DHMN is for legal reasons and to have someone nominally responsible for moving DHMN forward in specific areas, such as finances or legal issues. The designated roles have absolutely not been established to keep other people from volunteering to work on stuff related to those designated roles. We'll never get our holon started and working well if we don't have the freedom to step on each other's toes a bit (re-read Daemon and FreedomTM if unsure what I mean).

DHMN operates on the 'law of two feet' (see below) and the concept that if you see something that should be done, offer to get it done or to lead a group getting it done. Don't waste time making written or verbal observations that 'someone' should do X.' Chances are most people already realize that someone should do X. Just making that comment/observation doesn't help the group move ahead. Saying 'I want to work on X' is much more useful. If someone nominally responsible for that topic feels issue X is their domain, they need to be able to work well with others who offer to take some or all responsibility for getting issue X done or at least worked on. There are not enough DHMN members (yet) nor are there enough DHMN $$ resources (yet...) to do all the cool and useful things that should or could be done. So each member needs to take responsibility for things they're interested in and have the resources (time, connections, knowledge, serendipitous circumstances) to accomplish, e.g. Paul arranging for the 'make' spaces.

If any DHMN member disagrees or isn't sure what I'm talking about, I'd be glad to discuss it more one-on-one or in a group.

L-Dron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-space_technology

Owen explains his one "Law," called the "law of two feet" or "the law of mobility", as follows: If at any time during our time together you find yourself in any situation where you are neither learning nor contributing, use your two feet, go someplace else. In this way, all participants are given both the right and the responsibility to maximize their own learning and contribution, which the Law assumes only they, themselves, can ultimately judge and control. When participants lose interest and get bored in a breakout session, or accomplish and share all that they can, the charge is to move on, the "polite" thing to do is going off to do something else. In practical terms, Owen explains, the Law of Two Feet says: "Don't waste time!" 

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Erin Quick-Laughlin <er...@quick-laughlin.com> wrote:

[DeanG]

+1 

:-)   Has there been similar discussions with how DHMN embraces or applies the Do-ocracy concepts from Noisebridge? https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Do-ocracy

[Bob Waldron]

Just fyi, I'm pretty sure this is the original 'bike shed' concept,  http://www.bikeshed.com/.

AFAIK, there have not been any discussions related specifically to Noisebridge Do-ocracy.

L-Dron

[Bob Waldron]

And here's a bike shed page from hackerspaces.org that can lead you to lots of other valuable ideas about building hackerspaces,  http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Bikeshed_Anti-Pattern 

[Polly Dalton]

Hello,

I just joined the discussion group.  As a student from Lawrence, I can definitely say there are many budding film makers, and with the equipment to boot.

I'm running a group called LUFix (there's a facebook group), and the idea is to build a skillshare/makespace network within the Lawrence Community and the surrounding area.  I will continue to follow discussions to see if my resources can be of any assistance. I know lots of students are interested in working with community members and collaborating to build and make things!

Polly

[Bob Waldron]

Polly,

Thanks for finding DHMN and speaking up.

I'd enjoy talking with you and learning more about what you're doing and what you're interested in re DHMN, makerspaces and the TIME (Tech, Innovator, Maker, Entrepreneur) community in general. Anytime today or in the near future you'd be available to meet for coffee or other beverage to discuss this stuff?

Merci!

Bob Waldron

Community Technology Evangelist

NEW NET (NorthEast Wisconsin Network for Economy and Technology issues)

http://mydigitechnician.blogspot.com/

DHMN

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"Making Art, Creating Tech, Inspiring Community" 

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MakerPlane Community Advocate

"The open source aircraft project"

http://makerplan

[Bubba]

thanks I would like to check it out

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

the steady-cam set up lol

[Erin Quick-Laughlin]

Wow!!!

+1 to you all!

Glad we're on the same page Bob - and thanks for bringing back some important discussions we've had in the past - it's hard to remember all the things our group has discussed - I'm with you all the way.

It sounds like we have multiple media people - simply awesome.  

I'm rushing to get out the door on my flight, but perhaps I can setup a Trello project later - or someone else please jump in on this one if you feel the burn :)

I'll have to catch up with y'all later, but wow is this a fantastic set of responses!

Erin

[Tim Bolz]

Well Said Bob.  I agree.  

Erin wanted a project to get done as a DHMN project.  It involves a bunch of us and I think it is a truly collaborative.  I know I value input other members have given me.  I think once we get a couple group project under our belt we could see potential growth in ourselves and in our numbers.

I think Erin's  idea of documenting is a good idea.  And I think it's great more than one member is stepping up.  It will be a part of our history of our ethos.  I believe all us try to inspire each other.  I truly appreciate the diverse talented individuals we have in our midst.  I love to hear what projects each of us is up too.  I know when I've asked about a person project they are doing they love to tell me about it.  And I love to listen.  There is passion in what they want to accomplish.  I like the fact that a lot of us using Trello and posting our projects thus creating a greater sense of community.  This is documentation of things we are doing.  It will be better when we hear those ideals in our words on video.  I know documenting will take commitment.  Since we have recently been meeting more often.  I just started thinking about the possibilities of what can be accomplished.  Is there a public access channel we can show them on when ready?  Promoting us and expanding other numbers with extraordinary gifted individuals. 

Tim

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Bob Waldron <bwal...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

I would really value the opportunity to film the group and edit the video. I am currently in the process of starting a business and it would be a great asset to me to be able to show-off what I am capable of. I have been converting part of my home in to a studio and hopefully when I get my funding in order I can put in a chroma key screen and be able to shoot more custom video from here. I would really appreciate and help from you guys that I can get. If you have any questions for me, please feel free to ask

[Erin Quick-Laughlin]

Karl,

Can you record and edit most of the make sessions?

There are other meetings too, but I think these would be most fruitful.

If you can make the time and get the posts up pretty quick, how can we help?

Erin

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

I can and I only want to be able to use what I record and edit in my portfolio for my business. I am trying to start the business with just my skills and imagination but no funding yet (I am working on that). I am doing what I can but I don't always have gas enough to make it to and from meetings in the past but I will do my best

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

Opportunity is all I an asking for and maybe be the designated videographer for the group (if you all like my work). 

Sent from mobile device

[Alex Hunt]

I don't think we need to designate anyone yet.  Try out your ideas!  Show us what you can do.  We can merge the efforts or let them run independently later on.

The more documentation we produce, the more visibility (and potential new members) we get.

Alex

[Erin Quick-Laughlin]

Are there any interested parties coming to this Thurs make at Harmony?  We could definitely us recording services, and I'd be happy to give copies of stuff I've recorded so far....

I still owe Nate Jones an edit on his home systems I recorded two weeks ago - perhaps I'll work on that during the make.  I might even hack together some kind of JBGE splash intro - enough to light a fire under someone more talented than me to do it better ;)

@T-Son: who was that composer you used for your podiocasts that makes his works available under CC?

Erin

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

I can bring a camera with a mic. I can set it up on a tripod but it's the best for panning and such because it's a cheap one (makes noise, stick, etc..).

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

not the best***

[Erin Quick-Laughlin]

Fantastic!  Bring whatever you feel is right :)

Erin

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Karl P. Niemuth II <bithea...@gmail.com> wrote:

I can bring a camera with a mic. I can set it up on a tripod but it's the best for panning and such because it's a cheap one (makes noise, stick, etc..).

[Bob Watson]

The composer is Kevin MacLeod. His site is http://incompetech.com/

It's a horribly designed site, but an amazing resource. The navigation menu is the three columns of links at the top, next to the Google ads column. They look like they're part of the Google ads.

He makes his music available for free under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license. Be sure to follow his attribution specifications---that's a requirement of the license. The specifications are about half way down on his Licenses page.

[Lynne Whitehorn]

On 5/2/2012 6:52 PM, Bob Watson wrote:

The composer is Kevin MacLeod. His site is http://incompetech.com/

It's a horribly designed site, but an amazing resource. The navigation menu is the three columns of links at the top, next to the Google ads column. They look like they're part of the Google ads.

He makes his music available for free under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license. Be sure to follow his attribution specifications---that's a requirement of the license. The specifications are about half way down on his Licenses page.

Nifty!

http://music.incompetech.com/royaltyfree2/Alchemists%20Tower.mp3

Are there other musicians here?  I play cornet and can compose a bit on a good day.

-Lynne

[Lynne Whitehorn]

On 5/2/2012 6:52 PM, Bob Watson wrote:

The composer is Kevin MacLeod. His site is http://incompetech.com/

It's a horribly designed site, but an amazing resource. The navigation menu is the three columns of links at the top, next to the Google ads column. They look like they're part of the Google ads.

He makes his music available for free under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license. Be sure to follow his attribution specifications---that's a requirement of the license. The specifications are about half way down on his Licenses page.

Any of these would be amusing for DHMN-related build activities sped up: 

http://incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/index.html?genre=Silent%20Film%20Score

Don't overlook the fun inherent in cheapo 3D.  Here's a video we did showing the relative size of our solar system using a very low end Aiptek 3D solid state camcorder.  The annoying wobbly LawAndOrder camera bits were done with a cheap steadicam rig that I'll bring to Thursday makenight, if I remember.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCDydPIONBw

-Lynne

[Lynne Whitehorn]

Oh! I thought incompetech sounded familiar! He/they have awesome
downloadable graph paper of all types:

[Lynne Whitehorn]

Oh! I thought incompetech sounded familiar! He/they have awesome
downloadable graph paper of all types:

http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/

-Lynne

[Ross Larson]

I think I've downloaded that graph paper before!

[Tim Bolz]

Thank you Lynne Nice. Good find

[Lynne Whitehorn]

On 5/3/2012 12:31 AM, Tim Bolz wrote:
> Thank you Lynne Nice. Good find

You're welcome, but it was Bob W who found him.

BTW, his mailing address on his website says he's in Green Bay. Does
anyone know him IRL?

-Lynne

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

Not coming tonight. Truck got window broke and sliced me to shit

Sent from mobile device

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

sorry for short message but my arm and my thumb were bleeding at the time. I locked my keys in my truck and was trying to get in the glass vent to unlock the front door to retrieve my keys.Well it shattered right away and gave me some nice cuts. I am really sorry but I don't want to take my truck anywhere until I figure out some sort of window covering or repair the window.

[Mike Putnam]

Make/model/year of truck? Driver side or passenger?

[Karl P. Niemuth II]

passenger 1998 gmc sonoma ext cab 

[Mike Putnam]

Try Theimers Auto (parts yard) on KK:

W1062 County Road KK
Kaukauna, WI 54130
(920) 766-7946



On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 05:39:17PM -0500, Karl P. Niemuth II wrote:
passenger 1998 gmc sonoma ext cab*

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Mike Putnam <mi...@theputnams.net> wrote:

Make/model/year of truck? Driver side or passenger?
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 04:22:10PM -0500, Karl P. Niemuth II wrote:

*sorry for short message but my arm and my thumb were bleeding at the
time.
*I locked my keys in my truck and was trying to get in the glass vent to
*unlock the front door to retrieve my keys.Well it shattered right away
and
*gave me some nice cuts. I am really sorry but I don't want to take my
truck
*anywhere until I figure out some sort of window covering or repair the
*window.

*On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Karl P. Niemuth II
*<bithea...@gmail.com>wrote:

*> Not coming tonight. Truck got window broke and sliced me to shit
*>
*> Sent from mobile device
*>
*> On May 2, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Lynne Whitehorn
<lynne.w...@gmail.com>
*> wrote:
*>
*> > Oh! *I thought incompetech sounded familiar! *He/they have awesome
*> downloadable graph paper of all types:
*> >
*>