I still love Joe but this is total bullshit

[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

Hey Dharmaville,

If you choose to read this rant, buckle up. It's not huggy feely,
but it may totally inspire you to take a shower (you'll read why at
the end). It may inspire you to decide to stretch today. It may
inspire you to do a few sit ups, eat a little less, think a little
more.

In other words, you've been warned.

This came in my email today.

http://secretrussianwishmaker.com/

Don't go there yet. Consider this first. It just might work. It
just might have some usefulness to it.

And this email is a DECLARATION about me and my world, and has nothing
to do with Joe and his world.

Onward!

This whole "Hoshun" thing is bullshit.

It's a great lesson in hypnotic copy. Which is well worth learning
and applying if you use it to impact the world, positively.
Meanwhile, "hoshun", it could be a great way to TRICK people into
focusing on the positive. In other words, a COYOTE way to trick you
into getting focused so you take inspired action

I am big on action, as you know. Because ACTION is the way of nature.

But I think, I feel, that this whole "hoshun" thing probably is TOTAL
BULLSHIT approach to life, personal power, and to personally
transforming your world.

Considering ALL THAT, and that I am a friend of Joe's, and that I
smoke tobacco every day like my ancestors (with thankfulness - staying
open to inspiration) and so on....

I am curious. I am curious if anyone here will buy Hoshun, and if it
is something that is part of AN ACTION PLAN....

Or if it's total bullshit. Or somewhere in between.

Why did I write this, first think after my powernap?

Because if it is total bullshit, I hope my friend Joe doesn't go
further in this direction. And if it is part of a real action plan to
change lives, that someone tells me about their experience with it, so
I can invest and learn more - from a more informed point of view.

And because I am in the process of NUKING all the bullshit out of my
life. It has cost me WAY TOO MUCH.

Because bullshit is what makes 25 year old girls think they are hot
after they eat 3 buffetts a day, and weighing in at over 400 lbs.
Note: I have nothing against heavy people. I have lost over 60
pounds, because I chose to make some INNER AND OUTER changes. I plan
on helping people soon, who are ready to do the same.

Because bullshit is what gave the United States President Obama, and
why so many people are willing to turn over THEIR HEALTH CARE to the
same organization that has failed to compete every time AGAINST the
private sector. Note: I am NOT a G.W. Bush fan either, there was
ANOTHER set of BULLSHIT that gave us bush. What we need is a real
Compassionate Business man to help run this country, but we won't ever
get one, because we are so full of bullshit.

Note: The reason why we have had GWB and Obama is because MOST PEOPLE
CAN'T THINK. They have plenty of THOUGHTS, but not that much
thinking. They are like PARROTS. Hypnotized Parrots.

Because bullshit is the reason why most people never produce, let me
say that word again PRODUCE the change they want in their lives. If
you aren't producing the change you want in your life, then YOU ARE A
TOURIST in your life.

Because BULLSHIT is the blatant ignoring OF reality, BULLSHIT is the
BLATANT ignoring of what you are doing and the results you are
generating.... AND THEN hoping a magic pill will fix it.

We need more people TAKING ACTION or a MEGATON of shit is going to hit the fan.

So let me know, if "hoshun" is real, or bullshit.

Let me know, if you choose today to become more real, to take a shower
and hose off the bullshit, to exercise, to think more, to produce
more, to BECOME MORE.

Mr. Twenty Twenty

Why not visit my sites at:

http://www.2020unleashed.com - New articles 2 times a week.

http://www.justkickass.com - How to rent Mr. 20/20's brain.

http://www.innerwealth101.com - Get Goodies here.

http://www.mindhackvideos.com - I double dog dare you!
http://www.nlplive.com - Delivering what NLP promised.

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

I'll step in with my say what you mean and mean what you say approach

It's fucking bollocks

What a wanker!

Him and Pat must have been egging one anothers egos on in a mastermind somewhere in Wimberley Texas to cook that one up.

I have read some deeply inspiring and meaningful stuff from Joe Vitale.

But this...

Let me guess...

Joe's last product that landed in my InBox was a public domain eBook I could find from several other sources for free - rebranded as HIS discovery - for $19.95

Smacks of MILKING a public who need VALUE products to me.

Smacks of Kings new clothes...

AND

Magic Golden Pixes.

I just played the video and GINA said "What, has he lost the plot?" PMSL.

From a sound engineering POV it's horrendous.

Ironic he has wolf eyes on his shirt.

Kalinka Kalinka Kalinka Yah Yah

Buy that man a bottle of vodka and a sobranie.

If the audio quality of the MP3 is as bad as the video

OH DEAR!

A JPEG of the doll

A coffee mug and a pen to draw on the eyes

Jesus fucking Christ

He HAS lost the plot!

Cheese!

Ahem...

Go check out Cosmic Connie's Blog

It's very funny :-)

http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/

2009/10/31 Mr. Twenty Twenty <zeropoin...@gmail.com>

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[Oinarp Mot]

I love the reaction Mark.

I shall check it out and see for myself.  

[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

Hi Mark,

I will begin with the end.

"The world needs THE REAL ABILITIES of Pat and Joe, not those two
selling a goofy freaking doll."

I am disappointed. Because Joe and Pat are both very very
intelligent, geniuses maybe.

Pat is a brilliant businessman, who built "the hub" that all the other
Wimberly Mafia guys work their seminars on. I respect him for
positioning himself where his is with his "unseminar". And that he
developed the concept of "portable empire". It is truly genius
marketing. It appeals to a hungry niche, that wants to spend money.

Think about it, Pat built "the hub". That's the most powerful piece
in the wheel. All the other guys can't effectively market and do a 2
day seminar, but Pat can, and he has the others there to do their
trainings.

Pat identified and cornered the best market out of them all (except for Joe).

Then there is Joe.

Joe has written tons of stuff that demonstrates to me that he is
intelligent, writes good copy, and has great business savy. He also
is a tremendous giver, and willing to help you succeed. I have been
blessed to spend time with him, and know him.

However.... What the heck happened to him?

This Russian Doll thing totally blows. It's worse to me than what
happened with Ho Oponopono. If you trained with his teacher, "I
Haleakala" (Dr Hew Len - Who does NOT want to be called Dr Hew Len)
you got a much simpler, much LESS MARKETABLE Ho Oponopono.

I really enjoyed training with him in Philadelphia. He stated there,
well, I won't say what he said. But Ho Oponopono is MUCH SIMPLER and
to me MUCH MORE INTERESTING in it's pure form than in the "Zero
Limits" form.

So today, I look around....

I see people who need help, who need guidance, who need experts.

People who might be able to take effective action and change the
world. People who need some guidance, training and mentors.

They need people like Joe who can teach them how to focus on their
dreams, and how to WRITE COPY that will help make the dreams come
true.

They need people like Pat who can teach AMAZING BIZ BUILDING TACTICS,
positioning and strategy.

And those two, Pat and Joe, CHOOSE to sell some MORE stupid freaking
downloads of "CLEANING MUSIC" (total bullshit) and "russian secrets" -
a printout of a paper doll.

The world needs THE REAL ABILITIES of Pat and Joe, not those two
selling a goofy freaking doll.

20/20

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

They need people like Joe who can teach them how to focus on their
dreams, and how to WRITE COPY that will help make the dreams come

true?

They don't...

Think about it...

They don't...

The tide comes in...

The tide goes out...

The sea of change is upon us.

Marketing needs some new geniuses.

What sells to people who have had enough of false promises?

I keep hearing 60% of the word ATTRACTION is ACTION

Take ACTION (in otherwords - hypnotically - BUY MY SHIT)

But 70% of the word ATTRACTION is ATTRACT

Maybe time to ATTRACT something else?

Actually 80% is TRACTION

Maybe ALL THIS BULLSHIT WILL PUT YOU IN TRACTION

Then you will HAVE TO buy more shit to get out LOL

You know, intelligent people will see right through it.

So is it taking advantage of those who don't?

That is the real deal here.

AND... As you said yourself it MIGHT work!

OR... be perceived to work?

Have a nice evening

I am going to bed

Best

Mark

[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

Hey Mark,

How interesting.

My "HEART" email was being written the same time your reply here was.

Same thoughts, one mind.

Shared by both of us in unique ways.

20/20

Why not visit my sites at:

http://www.2020unleashed.com - New articles 2 times a week.

http://www.justkickass.com - How to rent Mr. 20/20's brain.

http://www.innerwealth101.com - Get Goodies here.

http://www.mindhackvideos.com - I double dog dare you!
http://www.nlplive.com - Delivering what NLP promised.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

My favourite advertising campaign ever!

We can't level you crazy bastard we are in advertising :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-ZSQDo_mTE

[TomScout]

Hey Mark,

 

One other thing.

I never saw it, but from reports, I know the secret is mostly cra*.

From what I've learned from Twenty, and experienced, I could create a more useful product.

It might go viral.

 

Will I do it? We'll see.

 

I wouldn't complain about Joe, though, and I do believe what you say.

I'd emulate him or better and make a ton of...

 

friends.

 

Why not?

 

TomScout

[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

I fell in love with....

Not "the secret" but what "the secret could have been".

What we DO focus on shows up in our lives.

Because what we focus on (and HOW we focus on it) RUNS our behaviors.

(In part.)

The hokey "let the genie do the work" shit, Got, that is getting OLD,
and WRECKING the economy.....

On the other hand...

There is STUFF that "the divine does" and stuff that "I do".

Stuff I get to do, like type! Like upset people! Like inspire people!

Like.....

Whooooo yah!

20/20

PS: I have so much "something" for those who honestly THINK that if
they sit on the couch, and focus on a billion dollars and a hot
blonde, that they will MAGICALLY APPEAR! God, some days, I wish I was
that FUCKING STUPID!

PPS: I know, somebody, some where, will now say, "look he's gonna
attract being stupid"! Hey buckwheat, BITE ME!

PPPS: Now IF I do get bit today, by someone named BUCKWHEAT, I willl
go buy HOSHUN! I promise! Whoooo yah!

[TomScout]

I guess they're doing it the easy way, and having a laugh too.

Another lesson to be learned, by all of us who want to make
some dosh...

You can do it.

Hopefully with more integrity.

And, as you say Twenty, in man ways, you have to get the marketing right.

TomScout


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Twenty Twenty" <zeropoin...@gmail.com>
To: <dharm...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:04 PM
Subject: [Dharmaville] Re: I still love Joe but this is total bullshit

[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

TomScout,

If you do a whois search on

"sacredpurplerocks.com"

You'll find that I own it.

(I think I still do.)

I had this WACKY IDEA.... to write up some BULLSHIT AD COPY, just to
see how freaking STUPID people could be.

And maybe make a couple hundred bucks...

Selling Sacred Purple Rocks.

Blessed by the White Buffalo.

And so on.

But when it was all said and done....

I couldn't bring myself to do it. Not even as an experiment in seeing
how STUPID people can be.

So in the corner.... for anyone who want's some.... I do have a bag of....

Whhhooooo Yah!

20/20

PS: Maybe hoshun will eat them!

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

So...

My opinion?

The Secret is brilliant.

Why?

Because she used the basic principles of The Strangest Secret and wrote a book about it.

In otherwords she simplified the message, then resold the whole concept to the masses.

But no explanation as to why it works.

Now if you have never done any self development work.

YOUR perception is going to be that it works (while you believe in it) AND you won't know quite why

My book explains belief and perception as well as integrity, responsibility, truth and a whole load of other REAL stuff besides.

But who is ever going to read a book like mine without having a dumb introduction like the secret.

John Assaraf's book The Answer goes into the science of the mind in even more depth.

It is really interesting for me to note that people who have never made any enquiries into self-development find my book impossibly complicated to follow.

Others who have done a lot of trainings find it really dumb and obvious.

Each of these teachings has a place and hopefully seekers out there in the universe will be led to them in order.

Joe Vitale and magic russian dolls really has no place in any of this other than superstition.

It preys on people's vulnerabilities.

No room for growth!

2009/11/1 TomScout <tom...@googlemail.com>

[TomScout]

That could have been a Po*rn Site.

(grin)!!

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

What goes around...

2009/11/1 TomScout <tom...@googlemail.com>

[TomScout]

Yeah Mark,

 

Joe is marketing to the big crowd who won't work on their growth but who will buy the magic instant solution. He's gone after the stoopid money (ambiguity). He's marketing to junk*ies, giving them what they want and at their price point. And most of them won't even care that it doesn't work, because they got it (Whoopee!).

 

Nice talking.

 

TomScout

 

TomScout Out

[MrPat]

I want some of those purple rocks.

Sounds kinky.

Great insights everyone, I really enjoyed reading what all of you had
to say here.

No further comment.

Except this one.

[Oinarp]

Alrighty!

So Joe is marketing to a bunch of sleeping consumers...

Were we ever taken in by such chAlitry?  You betcha!  And that is the price we pay for wisdom...

We know better now.

Joe is doing a service.. 

He may bearletong crap bur someone might just. Get it and say, "no mire jell-o! I have had enough!  

I have read hundreds maybe thousands of books and now I cannot read at all.  

Burnt out.  All that reAding and now nothing.... Buzzzzzz I'd the sound it makes in my head and it is though I have no understanding of words any longer.

I am happy in my new found illiteracy.

All the words...

All the BS helped me to get to this point.   

I would never want to deny domeone else of the experience to whatever outcome they may arrive.

My take on it. 

PS.   I hope and wish  Joe makes a ton of money and does whatever he wishes with it.

PP'S.   Me too!   You too! 

We all have our lessons to learn and I am not about to tell Joe's what his is.  

Or yours. 

Been on the other side of it for too long not to have paid attention to the golden rule.

Now!   If he asks my opinion about it all bets are off.

So... What do you make of that?

Sent from my iPhone

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

Now if this were a close friend we were talking about you might have a point, BUT IT'S NOT.

I am a consumer and Joe is marketing a product.

First and foremost I AM one of Joe's customers.

I HAVE bought his stuff.

Generally it is good.

I have a RIGHT to have an opinion about what he markets as a consumer.

He gives me the right when he puts a price on it and calls it a product.

He expects it, he calls it customer feedback.

Reviews of products are shared these days using social networking!

Consider this my review.

Okay, maybe one of us should buy the package and REALLY review it.

It won't be me :-)

2009/11/1 Oinarp <oin...@gmail.com>

[♥ MJ]

Been busy trying to make progress towards not going back to jobs and
bosses, which is apparently something that doesn't work well with
me...

But yes, I was one to get this email.

Joe saved my life, while I was not dying, I spent every day wishing I
was...
Yet, his latest books have been sales letters for various products.
This Hoshun doll would have been cool, if it were a matryoshka that
you could put something in, instead it's a print out with some audios.

Anyone want a Hoshun print out doll? I will give you 3 different ones
for $5. A general purpose Hoshun, a Love Hoshun, a business
Hoshun....

Yes I created some...

But selling a print out with some audios is :( disappointing. Pat &
Joe I love you both, but seriously...
at the same point I will say have you seen "Leap of Faith?"

Steve Martin is a scam artist preacher...
he does "miraculous healings and readings," by working the people &
listening to people (there's a whole another story there, but that's
for another time)

The thing is: his fake miracles made believers. His fake miracles
gave hope. His readings made people believe and hope for something
brighter

So when Uncle Bob who was on a death bed in the hospital, recovers the
family believes in the miracle. Even if Uncle Bob died, they saw him
smile when the doctors said he wouldn't do that again and so they
believe that God gave them another moment thru Steve Martin's preacher
self...

In the end a true miracle occurs and what can Steve Martin do?

The Hoshun is a device to build believers... Joe is converting to ever
running commercial and yet is it that he is a device to build
believers?
:( But I am disappointed in this latest commercial.

I printed my little Hoshun (that I created) he makes me smile. My
little wish is on the back, get my credit cards paid off b4 January,
with enough to pay bills. Me thinks I'll create another, one for
money. It would amuse me greatly to have 5 of them... I don't know
why it amuses me... while his disappoint me...

MJ

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

I'll buy your Hoshun doll for 5 bucks...

I know where I can get one free, but I know that if I contribute to
your luck...

Yes it is a belief system.

I probably won't believe in the doll.

And, I wouldn't give you 5 bucks with any personal expectation.

It just has a feel good factor to help someone with their dream.

What is your PayPal address :-)

Sent from my iPhone

[♥ MJ]

Mark, it would make my day :-)

mj_sc...@yahoo.com is my paypal

Money will help pay for my trip to New Mexico...
And honestly I think my Hochun is cute, I have 5 "types" right now.
:-)

If someone explains how, I'll show a picture of one...
But I have
General Purpose
Business
Love
Luck
Idea
and trying to decide how to do a health one...

In other words I am greatly amused and am having fun playing

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

Bugger - I sent you a payment to this address.

You will have to add this email to you paypal or reject payment and I can send again in the morning.

It is nearly 1 am and I have to go and face parents in school playground in 7 hours...

eek!

I went out today wearing my long wooly hat - a fucking kid looked at me and then said into his phone in a loud voice - there are still people walking around wearing their outfits from last night. My toastmasters group think I "dressed like a pirate" for a speech - the only difference between that night and what I am wearing now is my underwear LOL

You can see how I fit in... And yet :-)

So sleeping helps!

Night all...

2009/11/2 ♥ MJ <mjlover...@gmail.com>

[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

Nice TP,

Who am I to meddle in someone elses Karma?

Agreed with 100%.

And on the OTHER HAND....

I have a story that I can't tell.

That almost REQUIRES that I meddle.

And on the third hand....

I am taking "inspired action".

At least, I will asset that for now.

<grin>

20/20

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Thursday! Enjoy!

[Oinarp Mot]

I have the theory of how we can get caught up in other people's
gravity, or magnetism.
We can either get pulled in or...we have opposite poles.

Either way, we are attracted to the stuff for our own reasons.

We complain. We enjoy. We hate. We love.

I want out.

I am learning to walk in and out of other's gravity.

Much better living that way.

You stuff is your stuff and my stuff is my stuff and now...

Never the twain shall meet.

I mean that in the most general you.

And by the way, did you know how Mark Twain, the 33 degree Mason
got his pen name?

As he was on a river boat they would check to see the depth of the
river.
They had a pole. And they would inform the captain.

Mark One.
Mark Two.
Mark Twain.

I love stuff like that.

Now for next weeks lesson we are going to find out how Voltaire got
his name.

Wouldn't you like to get caught up in my gravity?

Any takers?

Just having fun.

TP

[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

TP,

There are TWO. Forces. Between "bodies".

Gravity and Radiation.

You focus on gravity for a while.

Me, I'll radiate.

Mr.Pat, study up on "the man who stole the secrets of the universe".

If you need another hint, "swananoa"

20/20

[Oinarp Mot]

I can dig that.

Love it.

I MUST FIND OUT MORE...

[♥ MJ]

TP Mark Twain I knew, but I am rather curious about Voltaire

Gravity from others is something we can choose to embrace or break
free from...
it's not always easy, and sometimes it is difficult....

I have a pilot's certificate...
there's one moment that causes me to rejoice,
the moment the plane hits the right speed, you can feel the lightness,
and you pull back on the yoke just slightly...
and break free from the ground.... JOY

sold a pkg of Hoshun dolls and a Wordpress book tonight... JOY

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

Magnets also have two poles, so if *I* am getting caught up in your gravity because I am repelling Joe's marketing...

How many *others* will Joe be sending your way?

2009/11/2 Oinarp Mot <oin...@gmail.com>

[Carol Wingert]

Hi Mark!

 

We were just talking about this during our "road trip" yesterday.

 

You said it well!

 

Not that we are trying to attract, but it just happens.

 

Carol

 

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