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greg

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Jul 27, 2010, 7:31:16 AM7/27/10
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Twenty Twenty et. al.,

I'd appreciate any thoughts, etc. on the following. I know it's a
lot, I wouldn't and don't expect anyone to run around doing all my
work for me to give me answers--it's here for anything from any quick
thought, comment, insight you might have, to anything more (because
*you* are interested in it)...

-=
One has all the resources they need, right? Or at least it's
assumed...

Well, I've been in a state where I have seemed to have had all the
resources: me, in a few of my dreams--at least a few times.

I'm absolutely centered and heavy, yet very light, concentrated,
fearless, powerful, completely aligned and in the flow, able to deal
with problems, make great decisions quickly, full of love, great
relationships, etc. And, it's all good.

I wake up and wonder, how the heck could I feel that? How the heck do
I get that state back?

That is, how do I get that NOW, in my REAL life, instead of having to
wait for the next "random" dream where I'm in that state, only to have
it disappear when I wake?

Is it solely a matter of perception, or intent, or what? Is it
possible it's a physical problem that keeps it away (wait, wouldn't
that stem/ result from emotional problems anyway??)?

So that *that* state is my actual normal state?

Is my current state "veneered" over my real "dream" state? Is my
dream state actually a dream, but a driving vision? Is my dream state
only accessible through my dreams, even if I can remember them? If I
can access and fully be in that state during my dreams, why can't I
seem to access it in real life? (Seriously, almost never!)

There's got to be a way to "standardize" that state as my "default"
state!!

I do many of the Apache Scout exercises (though not as much as I
could). They help. I do energy work. It helps. But it all seems so
superfluous, so powerless, so unnecessary when it comes to this part--
like they're great tools, but for some reason there's a feeling of not
being "right" for this purpose. There should be some little,
extremely simple "push this button, move this thingy, and voila! your
new default state is optimal you, like in your dreams" process.

So I don't have to constantly be "doing" things to "be" a certain
way. Do this, imagine this, tap here, sniff this, etc.--just
naturally, be in state. I have an incredibly hard time just
remembering to breathe, ok?

I see the explanation for Peak States (www.peakstates.org). But,
maybe $10,000 to solve one problem?! What about the other? and the
other? and the... I've got way too many problems... And this seems
piece-mealed... (Maybe I need to read about it more.)

I see the explanation for the Riggio Model and what it says it can do
(http://www.mythoself.com/what-is-mythoself.html; http://www.mythoself.com/mytho1.html
); is this the closest "NLP" gets to what I would like? This process
also appears complete on top, but reading further, it seems piece--
mealed, too--I'd rather not see a facilitator for every single goal in
every part of my life for the rest of my life! So, does it reach that
state, or not?

However, going here: http://www.honglileadership.com/Home/epc2 the
same Riggio Model/ MythoSelf sounds different--like nothing more than
the Most Expensive CD goal helps + minor things + a swish pattern.
Hmmm...

If I have already been in the state (--that I am trying to access and
"anchor" (or better!) as my default state) then I've seen, felt,
experienced in most senses in a deep and profound way more than once,
more than a moment each time (body, voice, actions, feelings,
emotions, sight, etc.) "where I want to be" now and in the future.

So...? Do I just need to dwell on it more? Try to pull out/
recognize all the filters during that state?

Hey, anyone know what I'm trying to say? ;P Anyone have any
answers? :)

Mr. Twenty Twenty

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Jul 27, 2010, 8:39:21 AM7/27/10
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Morning Greg,

Greg asked, "I wake up and wonder, how the heck could I feel that?


How the heck do
I get that state back?"

Just notice. At first, it spontaneously comes, it spontaneously goes.
This is important, "later".

How do you get that state back? It's a LACK OF STATE that you were
experiencing.

Getting into a state, involves some linearity.

Spontaneously experiencing what is beyond and what contains all states
(power) - a "heads" without a "tails" is not linear or time bound in
nature.

I watch folks, who come here for private and group trainings, lose
"linear and time bound". They experience so much beyond words. If
they if they insist on making "this beyond state" a state, figuring
out what to ADD into their lives to cause it.... it becomes illusive
again.

Too specific intent, narrows perception.

Hope those keys are fun.

20/20

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Oinarp Mot

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Jul 27, 2010, 9:27:58 AM7/27/10
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Greg,

First of all... I love the dream.

It sounds like everything you have written about is in the future
other than the feeling or experience you have in the dream.

I want is in the future.
Nothing wrong with I want either,
And when it comes to I want that feeling...

I am fooling ariunc with accessing happiness anytime I want.

No anchors or triggers and just experiencing it when it happens, what
it feels like, how I breathe, etc .

I enjoy being happy and it appears others appreciate it too.

When I am happy I am and there is nothing I can do to make myself
happy other than to experience it fully as I am in it so I can
appreciate it.

Nothing more, just be happy and dare I say it Twenty, notice it.
Experience it fully. Love it when it is here.

Two weeks ago Dad fell at five in the morning and I woke up to my
mother's screaming.

I walk/run into their bedroom and calmly ask my 90 year old father if
he is all right.

I check for broken bones and put him to bed.

My mother peed the floor.

It was something to experience.
I believe I experienced something higher than consciousnes.

Was it a pure stAte... Flow... Or was it a state or something non-
descript?

@@@@@

When Yeager passed last month the same thing happened. I sat and
petted him for hours as I told him it was o.k. To go.

During there was a calmness I had never experienced behore, perhaps it
was a state of grace... I do not know but either way both experiences
were profound and have seemed to have left a residue.

I know what that experience felt like.
I know it had nothing to do with ego and wanting.

I know that is who I truly am.

Afterward, I have mourned my poor puppy, Yeager was/is suck s good boy.

I literarly cry about the loss every day.
Yeager was worth it.

I worry about my dad.
I am only human.

These are things that make me happy.

Knowing I am doing the right things in the right way for the right
reasons.

Sometime I am going to make a mistake, like an unintentionsl typo or
miss spelled word and that is o.k.

Anyway, Greg...

I can only send out my love and know you do already possess all the
resources you need...

They show up everytime you... (fill in the blank) you just to be there
enough to notice them and appreciate them as they reveal themselves to
you.

Example: did you force falling in love with your wife or did it happen
so naturally.

Did you practice being a father or did something simply just kick in?

Do you tell yourself to be touched at a sunrise or sunset or does it
just happen?

Do you try to be overwhelmed by the oceans magnificent and are you
drawn to it by the wants of how it makes you feel?

I put flowers on Yeager's grave.
I took my dad off Aricept.

I fo these things to appreciate and care for and honor them.

I ask for nothing else.
It comes so naturally.

I know you have experienced the same.
I have read it in your writing.

The knowingness.

Love.
Kindness.
Compassion.

Come way before:

Dedication.
Values.
Even Thinking.

Twenty has taught me.. whoops, no he has pointed out to me words are
best used for reporting.

And do I report.

I am.

And when I am not then that is o. k, too.

My higher self will show up when it needs to show up.

And ghen I will appreciate it and probably write about it and question,
WTF just happened?

So I could appreciate it. Be in awe of something not cinsciously
trying and appreciate more and so on...

Until.

I no longer have to be here.

Questions are great
answers are better
Dreams that have both even better... Less work.

The answer to your question is:

IS

I am

Here I am

There you are

Let's play

I love you

This loss makes me weep

How can I help?

How do you feel.

And I suppose in the knowingness you want now and are in so much angst
about that have me smile knowing you already have experienced
everything I have just written about.

Oh yes, and then there is always;

I trust you
I trust me
I trust God.

Tp

PS: No post I write is ever complete with the random curse word thrown
in. My particular pathology.


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greg

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Jul 28, 2010, 9:40:55 AM7/28/10
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Thanks for responding. :)

I feel like I need to lose so much to get there, not add. Like I've
got all kinds of gunk all in and over. I imagine that's likely where
that feeling of "very light" comes from. I feel much more bound
normally "in body".

In most dreams in that state (for lack of better word), life is
"normal".

A few other times, I can run faster than a Tibetan monk, levitate,
fly, and breathe underwater. I'm wondering, is that all just veneered
over, too? I can't help but imagine that it is... Or is that like a
man born without legs, who dreams of walking? Not in this life, but
he understands the blueprint...or something?

Ah well.

-=-=-=
On Jul 27, 8:39 pm, "Mr. Twenty Twenty" <zeropointdynam...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Morning Greg,
>
> Greg asked, "I wake up and wonder, how the heck could I feel that?
> How the heck do
> I get that state back?"
>
> Just notice.  At first, it spontaneously comes, it spontaneously goes.
>   This is important, "later".
>
> How do you get that state back?  It's a LACK OF STATE that you were
> experiencing.
>
> Getting into a state, involves some linearity.
>
> Spontaneously experiencing what is beyond and what contains all states
> (power) - a "heads" without a "tails" is not linear or time bound in
> nature.
>
> I watch folks, who come here for private and group trainings, lose
> "linear and time bound".  They experience so much beyond words.  If
> they if they insist on making "this beyond state" a state, figuring
> out what to ADD into their lives to cause it....  it becomes illusive
> again.
>
> Too specific intent, narrows perception.
>
> Hope those keys are fun.
>
> 20/20
>
> http://www.innercircleproducts.com- Almost Free NLP and Much More!http://www.2020unleashed.com- The 2020 Adventurehttp://www.nlplive.com- NLP only as delivered by Mr2020

greg

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Jul 28, 2010, 11:06:01 AM7/28/10
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On Jul 27, 9:27 pm, Oinarp Mot <oin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> First of all... I love the dream.
>
> It sounds like everything you have written about is in the future  
> other than the feeling or experience you have in the dream.

I think it seems more like "same-time" me, just flowing so much with
"It" that I can hardly tell it's flowing.
I don't mean It to refer to God, as I know both feelings for me, and
they're different. Maybe the It is oneness with energy/ intelligence/
light/ freedom?

>
> I want is in the future.
> Nothing wrong with I want either,
> And when it comes to I want that feeling...
>
> I am fooling ariunc with accessing happiness anytime I want.
>
> No anchors or triggers and just experiencing it when it happens, what  
> it feels like, how I breathe, etc .
>
> I enjoy being happy and it appears others appreciate it too.
>

Yahoo! That's wonderful, TP. I want that---the natural, standard
"happy" state--not needing to fake it, lead it, anchor or trigger it,
etc. Just that... personally I have a hard time with doing that. I
think it's from too much trauma, which I'm hoping to be going to be
cleaning out this month ($17 "intention" recording interpretation of
that sentence, anyone? ;) ). However, I did receive a message after
years of insomnia, on one very insomniacal night a short time ago:
"love yourself". I know that, knew that, but was I *really* doing
it? Was I *being* and *feeling* "love yourself", or *doing* "love
yourself"? Anyway, I had a great next day, and have been happier and
more positive recently! I need to constantly strive for it. I saw
that, frankly, my happiness might be linked to faith (or better yet,
lack of happiness linked to lack of faith). Yeah, I feel suddenly
infantile spiritually-wise now!!
Is it "I want..."? No, it's I really desire!! But it's an admiring,
wow, in awe but a little giddy "desire" at times. Other times it's
not really a desire to leave my current circumstances, as it is I'm
drawn to it, naturally. Yeah, I WANT it!!

> When I am happy I am and there is nothing I can do to make myself  
> happy other than to experience it fully as I am in it so I can  
> appreciate it.
>
I think that's a part of it I need to allow more.

> Nothing more, just be happy and dare I say it Twenty, notice it.  
> Experience it fully. Love it when it is here.
>
> Two weeks ago Dad fell at five in the morning and I woke up to my  
> mother's screaming.
>
> I walk/run into their bedroom and calmly ask my 90 year old father if  
> he is all right.
>
> I check for broken bones and put him to bed.
>
> My mother peed the floor.
>
> It was something to experience.
> I believe I experienced something higher than consciousnes.
>
> Was it a pure state... Flow... Or was it a state or something non-  
> descript?
>
> @@@@@
>
> When Yeager passed last month the same thing happened. I sat and  
> petted him for hours as I told him it was o.k. To go.
>
> During there was a calmness I had never experienced before, perhaps it  
> was a state of grace... I do not know but either way both experiences  
> were profound and have seemed to have left a residue.
>
> I know what that experience felt like.
> I know it had nothing to do with ego and wanting.
>
I think my wanting is... well, I don't know if it's about ego or not.
I think it's more about happiness and being who I really wish I
could. I mean, if I could choose to be anyone in the world, I would
be that dream me. I think.

> I know that is who I truly am.
>
> Afterward, I have mourned my poor puppy, Yeager was/is suck s good boy.
>
> I literarly cry about the loss every day.
> Yeager was worth it.
>
> I worry about my dad.
> I am only human.
>
> These are things that make me happy.
>
> Knowing I am doing the right things in the right way for the right  
> reasons.
>
Awesome! I believe that, too.

> Sometime I am going to make a mistake, like an unintentionsl typo or  
> miss spelled word and that is o.k.
>
Awesome! I believe that, too. Now, if I can just allow those beliefs
to be.

> Anyway, Greg...
>
> I can only send out my love and know you do already possess all the  
> resources you need...
>
> They show up everytime you... (fill in the blank) you just to be there  
> enough to notice them and appreciate them as they reveal themselves to  
> you.
>
> Example: did you force falling in love with your wife or did it happen  
> so naturally.
>
> Did you practice being a father or did something simply just kick in?
>
> Do you tell yourself to be touched at a sunrise or sunset or does it  
> just happen?
>
> Do you try to be overwhelmed by the oceans magnificent and are you  
> drawn to it by the wants of how it makes you feel?
>

Great questions. I think that's why I love nature.
I think things often just kick in--if you want/ allow them to/ are
ready for them.

> I put flowers on Yeager's grave.
> I took my dad off Aricept.
>
> I do these things to appreciate and care for and honor them.
>
> I ask for nothing else.
> It comes so naturally.
>
> I know you have experienced the same.
> I have read it in your writing.
>
> The knowingness.
>
> Love.
> Kindness.
> Compassion.
>
> Come way before:
>
> Dedication.
> Values.
> Even Thinking.
>
> Twenty has taught me.. whoops, no he has pointed out to me words are  
> best used for reporting.
>
> And do I report.
>
> I am.
>
> And when I am not then that is o. k, too.
>
> My higher self will show up when it needs to show up.
>
> And then I will appreciate it and probably write about it and question,
Thanks for sharing, TP!

I hope your days with dad and mom continue to give you special
"states". :)

greg

> Sent from my iPhone

greg

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Jul 28, 2010, 11:13:44 AM7/28/10
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I guess I just need to lose my filters, eh?

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Mr. Twenty Twenty

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Jul 28, 2010, 12:24:03 PM7/28/10
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Hi Greg,

Just found this post, after writing this:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceofexcellence/message/13744

Seems to fit in pretty darn powerfully.

And....

"It's not the filters we need to lose, it's the simultaneous denial
and dependence on them that we have."

Have fun!

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