"BDSM" is  ...a lot of stuff besides.

MANY PEOPLE ... make it sound like it's all some kind of
game.

>Tying up your lover is BDSM; so is flogging that person, or bossing
>that person around, or any of a thousand other things. BDSM is highly
>erotic, usually (though not always) involves sex or sexual tension;
>and is highly psychologically charged. One person (the "submissive")
>agrees to submit to another person (the "dominant"); or, alternately,
>one person agrees to receive some sort of sensation, such as spanking,
>from another.

>MANY PEOPLE PRACTICE SOME ELEMENT OF BDSM IN THEIR SEXUAL LIVES
>WITHOUT EVEN BEING AWARE OF IT.

>Role-playing? Fantasy? You make it sound like it's all some kind of
>game.
>IT IS. YOU'RE EXERCISING YOUR IMAGINATION, AND YOU'RE PLAYING A GAME
>WITH THE OTHER PERSON. JUST TRY AT
>http://lavernfoxy.150m.com

> Maybe it is time to move this list to another site where it can be
> managed better?

> At 10:34 AM 9/21/2009, BDSM Lovers wrote:

>>"BDSM" is an acronym of "B&D" (Bondage & Discipline), "D&S" (Dominance
>>& Submission), and "S&M" (sadomasochism). "BDSM" refers to any or all
>>of these things, and a lot of stuff besides.

>>Tying up your lover is BDSM; so is flogging that person, or bossing
>>that person around, or any of a thousand other things. BDSM is highly
>>erotic, usually (though not always) involves sex or sexual tension;
>>and is highly psychologically charged. One person (the "submissive")
>>agrees to submit to another person (the "dominant"); or, alternately,
>>one person agrees to receive some sort of sensation, such as spanking,
>>from another.

>>MANY PEOPLE PRACTICE SOME ELEMENT OF BDSM IN THEIR SEXUAL LIVES
>>WITHOUT EVEN BEING AWARE OF IT.

>>Role-playing? Fantasy? You make it sound like it's all some kind of
>>game.
>>IT IS. YOU'RE EXERCISING YOUR IMAGINATION, AND YOU'RE PLAYING A GAME
>>WITH THE OTHER PERSON. JUST TRY AT
>>http://lavernfoxy.150m.com

> --
> Dave Gomberg, San Francisco   NE5EE     gomberg1 at wcf dot com
> All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:46:08
To: <detritus@googlegroups.com>
Subject: detritus: Re: BDSM? Whats with this bondage/sadomasochism stuff,

 anyway?

As any attempt to put leather on a fish irreparably damages the slime coat, and as fish, being non-verbal, have no way of using a "safe word", I must protest in the strongest terms these irresponsible posts from these degenerate ichthysexuals.

----- Original Message ----
From: BDSM Lovers <nickistjohn13...@gmail.com>
To: detritus <detritus@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34:57 AM
Subject: detritus: BDSM? Whats with this bondage/sadomasochism stuff, anyway?

"BDSM" is  ...a lot of stuff besides.

MANY PEOPLE ... make it sound like it's all some kind of
game.

> This list is now by invite only. New members will have to request membership.
> These changes will be active until Erik returns from vacation. New
> members will also be placed on a moderated status.

> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Dave Gomberg <da...@wcf.com> wrote:

> > Maybe it is time to move this list to another site where it can be
> > managed better?

> > At 10:34 AM 9/21/2009, BDSM Lovers wrote:

> >>"BDSM" is an acronym of "B&D" (Bondage & Discipline), "D&S" (Dominance
> >>& Submission), and "S&M" (sadomasochism). "BDSM" refers to any or all
> >>of these things, and a lot of stuff besides.

> >>Tying up your lover is BDSM; so is flogging that person, or bossing
> >>that person

> >>MANY PEOPLE PRACTICE SOME ELEMENT OF BDSM IN THEIR SEXUAL LIVES
> >>WITHOUT EVEN BEING AWARE OF IT.

> >>Role-playing? Fantasy? You make it sound like it's all some kind of
> >>game.
> >>IT IS. YOU'RE EXERCISING YOUR IMAGINATION, AND YOU'RE PLAYING A GAME
> >>WITH THE OTHER PERSON. JUST TRY AT
> >>http://lavernfoxy.150m.com

> > --
> > Dave Gomberg, San Francisco

> I've had my pond for about 7 years now.  The
> fishes are fine but the water is pea green and I can barely
> see my fishes anymore.  I'm considering getting a
> UV light but I'm not too sure which one and how strong
> the bulb should be.

>  

> Spec:

> Pond is approximately 2200 gallons. 

> Pump can do a full cycle in less than an hour,
> approximately 3000gph.

> Slightly covered with vegetation, but recently added 30%
> surface area full of water lettuce. 

>  

> Someone had suggested aquauv.com to me... and according to
> that, I may need 40 or 57W UV bulbs.

> Is that quite accurate or is it too much?  I have a 9W
> built in my filter but that doesnt help much.

>  

> I've done some research and it could
> "possibly" be that there are slightly more fishes
> in there that recommended but I can't tell until the
> water clears up anyhow.  My plan is to remove any
> goldfishes in there and keep the kois.  There are 2
> turtles and 2 frogs that I've seen before.  I'd
> like to clean up/fix the pond as soon as possible while the
> weather is still nice.

>  

> Thanks in advance,

> Henry

> Insert movie times and more without
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> how.

>Spec:
>Pond is approximately 2200 gallons.
>Pump can do a full cycle in less than an hour, approximately 3000gph.
>Slightly covered with vegetation, but recently
>added 30% surface area full of water lettuce.

>Someone had suggested aquauv.com to me... and
>according to that, I may need 40 or 57W UV bulbs.
>Is that quite accurate or is it too much?  I
>have a 9W built in my filter but that doesnt help much.

>I've done some research and it could "possibly"
>be that there are slightly more fishes in there
>that recommended but I can't tell until the
>water clears up anyhow.  My plan is to remove
>any goldfishes in there and keep the
>kois.  There are 2 turtles and 2 frogs that I've
>seen before.  I'd like to clean up/fix the pond
>as soon as possible while the weather is still nice.

>Thanks in advance,
>Henry

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>how.

> Hey Tom,

>  

> Is there a specific brand of UV light that's good
> or it doesn't matter?

> Are you suggesting that I get an 80W to clear the
> water and then remove it?

> Is that better than getting a light(possibly the
> 40W) to leave on all the time?  

>  

> I have had a few lillies but they never grow too well,
> might be the green water?  The same goes for my
> Hyacinths... the hyacinths do well in a barrel but horrible
> in the pond.  I recently added the water lettuce so
> I'll have to wait and see how that goes? 

>  

> So what's the first step I should do at this point?

>  

> Thanks,

> Henry
>  
> > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:48:20 -0700
> > From: tcb...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: detritus: Re: Need help with pea green pond/
> UV filtration questions
> > To: detritus@googlegroups.com

> > I've done several ponds over the years, as long as
> you maintain 30-50% of surface coverage with plants, then
> you should not have much issue.

> > Once you get the green water, it's tough to get
> rid of.
> > An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

> > You can always cover a pond with shade cloth or get a
> full sun block, wait a few days, take the plants out in a
> bucket, then return after.

> > Adding a UV will kill it.
> > Might take a few days longer with a smaller wattage.
> > I'd use an 80W and use it only when you need
> it(disease and green water).
> > You might be okay with a 40W unit.

> > Add 30-40% surface coverage of Hyacinth, lettuce,
> lilies etc in the first week of April, last week of March.
> > Allow to get to about 60-70% and harvest and remove
> the excess weeds with a pitch fork, let dry and mulch(or
> sell if you can) for the garden.

> > You should never have an algae issue this way, it will
> also keep the pond much cooler, and prevent birds from
> attacking fish.

> > Regards,
> > Tom Barr

> > --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Henry Diep
> <dlilaznd...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > From: Henry Diep <dlilaznd...@hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: detritus: Need help with pea green pond/
> UV filtration questions
> > > To: detritus@googlegroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 12:40 AM

> > > I've had my pond for about 7 years now. 
> The
> > > fishes are fine but the water is pea green and I
> can barely
> > > see my fishes anymore.  I'm considering
> getting a
> > > UV light but I'm not too sure which one and
> how strong
> > > the bulb should be.

> > >  

> > > Spec:

> > > Pond is approximately 2200 gallons. 

> > > Pump can do a full cycle in less than an hour,
> > > approximately 3000gph.

> > > Slightly covered with vegetation, but recently
> added 30%
> > > surface area full of water lettuce. 

> > >  

> > > Someone had suggested aquauv.com to me... and
> according to
> > > that, I may need 40 or 57W UV bulbs.

> > > Is that quite accurate or is it too much?  I
> have a 9W
> > > built in my filter but that doesnt help much.

> > >  

> > > I've done some research and it could
> > > "possibly" be that there are slightly
> more fishes
> > > in there that recommended but I can't tell
> until the
> > > water clears up anyhow.  My plan is to
> remove any
> > > goldfishes in there and keep the kois. 
> There are 2
> > > turtles and 2 frogs that I've seen
> before.  I'd
> > > like to clean up/fix the pond as soon as possible
> while the
> > > weather is still nice.

> > >  

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > > Henry

> > > Insert movie times and more without
> > > leaving Hotmail®. See
> > > how.

> Once the plants take over, there's really no need and the plants take

> Focus on good plant biomass and maintain a good % cover, and you
cannot go wrong.

> Regards,
> Tom Barr

> --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Henry Diep <dlilaznd...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > From: Henry Diep <dlilaznd...@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: detritus: Re: Need help with pea green pond/ UV filtration
questions
> > To: detritus@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 8:43 AM

> > Hey Tom,

> > Is there a specific brand of UV light that's good
> > or it doesn't matter?

> > Are you suggesting that I get an 80W to clear the
> > water and then remove it?

> > Is that better than getting a light(possibly the
> > 40W) to leave on all the time?  

> > I have had a few lillies but they never grow too well,
> > might be the green water?  The same goes for my
> > Hyacinths... the hyacinths do well in a barrel but horrible
> > in the pond.  I recently added the water lettuce so
> > I'll have to wait and see how that goes?  

> > So what's the first step I should do at this point?

> > Thanks,

> > Henry

> > > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:48:20 -0700
> > > From: tcb...@yahoo.com
> > > Subject: detritus: Re: Need help with pea green pond/
> > UV filtration questions
> > > To: detritus@googlegroups.com

> > > I've done several ponds over the years, as long as
> > you maintain 30-50% of surface coverage with plants, then
> > you should not have much issue.

> > > Once you get the green water, it's tough to get
> > rid of.
> > > An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

> > > You can always cover a pond with shade cloth or get a
> > full sun block, wait a few days, take the plants out in a
> > bucket, then return after.

> > > Adding a UV will kill it.
> > > Might take a few days longer with a smaller wattage.
> > > I'd use an 80W and use it only when you need
> > it(disease and green water).
> > > You might be okay with a 40W unit.

> > > Add 30-40% surface coverage of Hyacinth, lettuce,
> > lilies etc in the first week of April, last week of March.
> > > Allow to get to about 60-70% and harvest and remove
> > the excess weeds with a pitch fork, let dry and mulch(or
> > sell if you can) for the garden.

> > > You should never have an algae issue this way, it will
> > also keep the pond much cooler, and prevent birds from
> > attacking fish.

> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr

> > > --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Henry Diep
> > <dlilaznd...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > From: Henry Diep <dlilaznd...@hotmail.com>
> > > > Subject: detritus: Need help with pea green pond/
> > UV filtration questions
> > > > To: detritus@googlegroups.com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 12:40 AM

> > > > I've had my pond for about 7 years now.
> > The
> > > > fishes are fine but the water is pea green and I
> > can barely
> > > > see my fishes anymore.  I'm considering
> > getting a
> > > > UV light but I'm not too sure which one and
> > how strong
> > > > the bulb should be.

> > > > Spec:

> > > > Pond is approximately 2200 gallons.

> > > > Pump can do a full cycle in less than an hour,
> > > > approximately 3000gph.

> > > > Slightly covered with vegetation, but recently
> > added 30%
> > > > surface area full of water lettuce.  

> > > > Someone had suggested aquauv.com to me... and
> > according to
> > > > that, I may need 40 or 57W UV bulbs.

> > > > Is that quite accurate or is it too much?  I
> > have a 9W
> > > > built in my filter but that doesnt help much.

> > > > I've done some research and it could
> > > > "possibly" be that there are slightly
> > more fishes
> > > > in there that recommended but I can't tell
> > until the
> > > > water clears up anyhow.  My plan is to
> > remove any
> > > > goldfishes in there and keep the kois.
> > There are 2
> > > > turtles and 2 frogs that I've seen
> > before.  I'd
> > > > like to clean up/fix the pond as soon as possible
> > while the
> > > > weather is still nice.

> > > > Thanks in advance,

> > > > Henry

> > > > Insert movie times and more without
> > > > leaving Hotmail(r). See
> > > > how.

> </html

> Hey Mike,

>  

> How's it going?  Do you happen to have a picture
> of you DIY plant filtration?  I've placed a lot of
> hyacinths into the pond before, but they never
> survive.  However, they do survive in the barrels that
> I have.   After recently adding 25% pond
> coverage with water lettuce, I can tell the water is
> clearing up a bit.  How strong is your UV light
> and how much?  Is it the tube type?

> How big are your kois and how many do you keep in your
> pond?

>  

> I have read up about the nitrates being one of the main
> problems.  I was hoping to remove all the
> goldfishes from my pond after the water clears up.
>  

> Thanks,

> Henry

>  

> Subject: detritus: Re: Need help with pea green pond/ UV
> filtration questions
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:45:43 -0700
> From: Mike....@elan.com
> To: detritus@googlegroups.com

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> Hi
> Henry,
> I
> managed to get crystal clear water and undetectable nitrate
> levels in my heavily stocked 1800gallon koi pond using a DYI
> plant filtration system.  If you have large Kois (I
> know you do), they will eat or damage many types of plants,
> so you will need to setup something to keep your plants away
> from your fish.  Just make sure your plants are
> situated in good water flow.
>  
> I agree
> with Tom that UV is not necessary, even in a heavily
> populated pond.  So, save your money.  You’ll
> just trade green water with some form of attached algae mess
> and unhealthy fish, since a UV won’t do anything to
> nitrate/phosphate levels.  A UV will actually boost
> nitrate levels by killing off the algae that’s been
> soaking it up.  Setup a good plant filter and your
> green water will clear up in a few days.  Then you’ll
> be able to see your fish, and the only thing you’ll have
> to worry about is that herons and raccoons can see them
> too.  If you insist on buying a UV, then I have one
> that I’ll gladly sell, since I have no use for it
> anymore.
>  
> I think
> it gets too cold around here for water lettuce.  I use
> water hyacinth in my system with good results, and the extra
> plants become food for my koi.  They just love to rip
> the stuff up.  I always have a lot on hand, so just let
> me know if you want some.  I believe you have my
> contact info.
>  
> Oh, buy
> a nitrate kit and do some experiments yourself.  I
> recommend the one from Aquarium Pharmaceuticals.  I
> find it extremely valuable for keeping healthy ponds and
> tanks.
>  
> Mike
> Lee
>  
>  

> From:
> detritus@googlegroups.com [mailto:detritus@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of
> Henry Diep
> Sent:
> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:22 PM
> To:
> detritus@googlegroups.com
> Subject:
> detritus: Re: Need help with pea green pond/ UV filtration
> questions
>  
> Should
> I add the 40+ W UV bulb for awhile and remove
> it once the water clears? 
> Or keep it on during the day time with a timer?
>  
> Hopefully the water lettuce would thrive in there and
> provide the plant biomass that I could never achieve
> with other plants.
>  
> Thanks,
> Henry
>  
> > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:55:39 -0700
> > From: tcb...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: detritus: Re: Need help with pea green pond/
> UV filtration questions
> > To: detritus@googlegroups.com

> > You can get a larger or a smaller one, up to you, but
> a timer works nicely.
> > You really do not need a UV unless you are doing
> disease management, or GW algae. Shortens bulb effective
> life to run it for no good reason.

> > Once the plants take over, there's really no need
> and the plants take care of the NH4/NO3/PO4 and all water
> quality issues, provide a massive surface for bacteria and
> nutrient export.

> > Focus on good plant biomass and maintain a good %
> cover, and you cannot go wrong.

> > Regards,
> > Tom Barr

> > --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Henry Diep
> <dlilaznd...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > From: Henry Diep <dlilaznd...@hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: detritus: Re: Need help with pea green
> pond/ UV filtration questions
> > > To: detritus@googlegroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 8:43 AM

> > > Hey Tom,

> > >  

> > > Is there a specific brand of UV light
> that's good
> > > or it doesn't matter?

> > > Are you suggesting that I get an 80W to
> clear the
> > > water and then remove it?

> > > Is that better than getting a light(possibly the
> > > 40W) to leave on all the time?  

> > >  

> > > I have had a few lillies but they never grow too
> well,
> > > might be the green water?  The same goes for
> my
> > > Hyacinths... the hyacinths do well in a barrel
> but horrible
> > > in the pond.  I recently added the water
> lettuce so
> > > I'll have to wait and see how that
> goes? 

> > >  

> > > So what's the first step I should do at this
> point?

> > >  

> > > Thanks,

> > > Henry
> > >  
> > > > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:48:20 -0700
> > > > From: tcb...@yahoo.com
> > > > Subject: detritus: Re: Need help with pea
> green pond/
> > > UV filtration questions
> > > > To: detritus@googlegroups.com

> > > > I've done several ponds over the years,
> as long as
> > > you maintain 30-50% of surface coverage with
> plants, then
> > > you should not have much issue.

> > > > Once you get the green water, it's tough
> to get
> > > rid of.
> > > > An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of
> cure.

> > > > You can always cover a pond with shade cloth
> or get a
> > > full sun block, wait a few days, take the plants
> out in a
> > > bucket, then return after.

> > > > Adding a UV will kill it.
> > > > Might take a few days longer with a smaller
> wattage.
> > > > I'd use an 80W and use it only when you
> need
> > > it(disease and green water).
> > > > You might be okay with a 40W unit.

> > > > Add 30-40% surface coverage of Hyacinth,
> lettuce,
> > > lilies etc in the first week of April, last week
> of March.
> > > > Allow to get to about 60-70% and harvest and
> remove
> > > the excess weeds with a pitch fork, let dry and
> mulch(or
> > > sell if you can) for the garden.

> > > > You should never have an algae issue this
> way, it will
> > > also keep the pond much cooler, and prevent birds
> from
> > > attacking fish.

> > > > Regards,
> > > > Tom Barr

> > > > --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Henry Diep

>Sounds neat ... until the clams decide to spawn. Clam larvae are
>fish parasites.

> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Dave Gomberg <da...@wcf.com>
> wrote:
> > Try fresh water clams in a filter box where they won't
> get preyed upon.

> Sounds neat ... until the clams decide to spawn. Clam
> larvae are fish parasites.

> --
> William Tracy
> Work: wtr...@cisco.com
> Play: afishion...@gmail.com
> Cell phone: (805) 704-0917
> Internet phone: (707) 206-6441

> Sounds neat ... until the clams decide to spawn. Clam larvae are fish
> parasites.

> --- On Sun, 9/27/09, Kieve Wang
> <kie...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Kieve Wang <kie...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: detritus: green spot algae on glass
> To: detritus@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 4:56 PM

> Hello,

> Does anyone know which algae eater will eat the green algae
> spots on the glass and tubes? I currently have a bushy nose
> and an otto but they are not clearing the algae fast enough.
> It's only a 30 gallon so I'm hesitant to put in a
> small common pleco.

> Any suggestions please?

> Best regards,
> Kieve

Behalf Of Kieve Wang
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:28 PM
To: detritus@googlegroups.com
Subject: detritus: Re: green spot algae on glass

Thank you Joe... I got 10 little plecos over the weekend at SVAS
auction, and they have been cleaning the glass with good results. :)

Anyone interested in young common pleco? $1 each.

I'm also looking for 2 or 3 young clown loaches or yoyo loaches if
anyone has any to spare.

Best regards,
Kieve

--- On Sun, 9/27/09, joseph de silva <jdesilva0...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: joseph de silva <jdesilva0...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: detritus: Re: green spot algae on glass
> To: detritus@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 5:28 PM
> get
> some nerite snails, i had that problem . no more. you need
> more than one 4 to 6 of them .do just fine

> --- On Sun, 9/27/09, Kieve Wang
> <kie...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Kieve Wang <kie...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: detritus: green spot algae on glass
> To: detritus@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 4:56 PM

> Hello,

> Does anyone know which algae eater will eat the green algae
> spots on the glass and tubes? I currently have a bushy nose
> and an otto but they are not clearing the algae fast enough.
> It's only a 30 gallon so I'm hesitant to put in a
> small common pleco.

> Any suggestions please?

> Best regards,
> Kieve