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Nosmo

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For some reason a programme that I saw as a child entered my head last
night; a programme called "Flambards".

Can anyone remember anything about it at all? Something tells me that
aircraft featured in some major way and that one of the characters
really wanted to become a pilot but had a 'plane crash which kind of
dashed his hopes, or something.

Anyone?
--
Nos

Sher...@sidaway.demon.co.uk

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In article <$ir$XiDErU...@nosmo.demon.co.uk>,

I vaguely recall seeing this trailed on ITV, in the late seventies I think.
It didn't look like my cup of tea at the time, so I never watched it.

It seems to have been based on a series of novels by K. M. Peyton. The
book previews here may help to jog some memories if I am on the right track.

http://www.cix.co.uk/~asc/trapped/author36.htm

There is also a Cornish theme park of the same name, but I don't think
it's connected in any way.
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Marcus Durham

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In article <$ir$XiDErU...@nosmo.demon.co.uk> Nosmo
<no...@nosmo.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:
[snip]
>Anyone?

Sorry, but you could try http://tv.cream.org

Although much of the site is dubious and inaccurate (and I have emailed
corrections for them to be mostly ignored), they are pretty
comprehensive. They may well have it listed (and may even have some
screenshots).

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Andrew Steele

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Nosmo wrote:
>
> For some reason a programme that I saw as a child entered my head last
> night; a programme called "Flambards".


Sorry nope,

Can anyone remember Holmes and Yoyo, Holmes was a 'tec and Yoyo his robot pal.
Yoyo was my childhood role model



> Can anyone remember anything about it at all? Something tells me that
> aircraft featured in some major way and that one of the characters
> really wanted to become a pilot but had a 'plane crash which kind of
> dashed his hopes, or something.

Steve Austin?, Douglas Bader?

--
Andy


.

Chris Hill

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In article <$ir$XiDErU...@nosmo.demon.co.uk>, Nosmo
<no...@nosmo.demon.co.uk> writes

>For some reason a programme that I saw as a child entered my head last
>night; a programme called "Flambards".
>
>Can anyone remember anything about it at all? Something tells me that
>aircraft featured in some major way and that one of the characters
>really wanted to become a pilot but had a 'plane crash which kind of
>dashed his hopes, or something.
>
>Anyone?

I can remember the music quite well. If pushed, I could probably knock
together a midi file of the basic tune. It used to be on on Sunday
afternoons sometime around 1979/1980. One of the characters was called
Christina. Set sometime around the turn of the century(?) in a big house
somewhere.

Talking about old TV series, I have finally (after several years)
managed to track down a recording of the theme music to Tales of the
Unexpected, which was somewhat contemporary to Flambards. I am very
*very* pleased about this. Composer was Ron Grainger, who also wrote the
music for The Omega Man with Charlton Heston (top film, now released on
video).

The soundtrack to The Whicker Man was also released recently, which was
superb.

Drifting off the point even more... does anyone remember the final
Quatermass four-parter from around the same time (1979ish)? The one
where society had broken down and an alien force was decimating the
world's adolescent population? Got that on video too, watch it from time
to time and it doesn't look too dated even 20 years later.

While I'm on the post apocalyptic theme, anyone remember "Survivors"?
BBC series from around 1974 about a plague which escapes from a germ
warfare lab and destroys most of the world's population. Got the first
dozen or so episodes on video - now that *does* look dated. It's
actually quite funny in places: if a disease had killed 99% of the
population, you would expect there to be dead bodies *everywhere*, but
there are hardly any at all. I guess the BBC didn't want to upset
viewers with lots of corpses.

Sorry, Nos, I appear to have hijacked your thread. What was the question
again?
--
Chris Hill
A wobbly bobbly dribbly squiggly dog.

Craig Oldfield

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In article: <xj1eCIAC...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> writes:

> music for The Omega Man with Charlton Heston (top film, now released on
> video).

Far better book "I am Legend" by Richard Matheson.
--
Craig Oldfield

Marcus Durham

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In article <xj1eCIAC...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:
[snip]

>While I'm on the post apocalyptic theme, anyone remember "Survivors"?
>BBC series from around 1974 about a plague which escapes from a germ
>warfare lab and destroys most of the world's population.

I love the first episode. You expect Peter Bowells to survive, but he
pops his clogs at the end of the episode.

> Got the first
>dozen or so episodes on video - now that *does* look dated. It's
>actually quite funny in places: if a disease had killed 99% of the
>population, you would expect there to be dead bodies *everywhere*, but
>there are hardly any at all.

[snip]

Well, out in the country? You really need to see the episode called
Streets of London, or somesuch, to get an idea how good Survivors
actually is. The final episodes are also superb. However, the first
season wasn't that good to start with.

Chris Hill

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In article <mcyzLGAw...@zenn.demon.co.uk>, Marcus Durham
<Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> writes

<snip>

>Well, out in the country? You really need to see the episode called
>Streets of London, or somesuch, to get an idea how good Survivors
>actually is. The final episodes are also superb. However, the first
>season wasn't that good to start with.

Unfortunately, as far as I know only the first season has been released
on video (unless someone knows different...). I have noticed that the
videos were recently re-released in a new sleeve, so perhaps this means
that the second season will be released at some point. I really hope so.

Sherilyn

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In article <mcyzLGAw...@zenn.demon.co.uk>, Marcus Durham
<Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <xj1eCIAC...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:
>[snip]
>>While I'm on the post apocalyptic theme, anyone remember "Survivors"?
>>BBC series from around 1974 about a plague which escapes from a germ
>>warfare lab and destroys most of the world's population.
>
>I love the first episode. You expect Peter Bowells to survive, but he
>pops his clogs at the end of the episode.

How do they do that, ditched first person narrative <yuk!>?
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Sherilyn

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In article <xj1eCIAC...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> writes
...

>Talking about old TV series, I have finally (after several years)
>managed to track down a recording of the theme music to Tales of the
>Unexpected, which was somewhat contemporary to Flambards. I am very
>*very* pleased about this. Composer was Ron Grainger, who also wrote the
>music for The Omega Man with Charlton Heston (top film, now released on
>video).

Ron Grainer also wrote the famous Doctor Who theme tune (if you can't
remember how that goes, just squat behind the sofa for a few minutes and
it'll all flood back...

>
>While I'm on the post apocalyptic theme, anyone remember "Survivors"?
>BBC series from around 1974 about a plague which escapes from a germ
>warfare lab and destroys most of the world's population.

I never checked, but from my memory of how it sounded, I assume the
music for that was from Dudley Simpson. I think your date is a few
years too early.

Terrance Richard Boyes

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Chris Hill <ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> While I'm on the post apocalyptic theme, anyone remember "Survivors"?

I remember it fondly...

> BBC series from around 1974 about a plague which escapes from a germ

> warfare lab and destroys most of the world's population. Got the first


> dozen or so episodes on video - now that *does* look dated. It's

... until I bought the first tape.

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have got hold of something else.

B.E.Newsam

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Chris Hill none writes:
>Composer was Ron Grainger, who also wrote the
>music for The Omega Man with Charlton Heston (top film, now released on
>video).

And Coronation Street. I even bought it when it came out on a single!
--
Ben

Marcus Durham

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In article <EWmL1hAR...@microser.demon.co.uk> B.E.Newsam
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:

Ron Grainer who also wrote Steptoe and Son, A Man in a Suitcase, and the
theme tune to a certain traveller through time, space and quarries in
Dorset. Interestingly his orchestra didn't do any of the realisations of
the DW theme.

Tony Hatch is another name in TV theme tune history, and his work
included Crossroads, Emmerdale Farm, Neighbours (with his wife doing the
lyrics) and a load more.

That's enough sadness for today.

Chris Hill

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In article <EWmL1hAR...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.Newsam
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes

>Chris Hill none writes:
>>Composer was Ron Grainger, who also wrote the
>>music for The Omega Man with Charlton Heston (top film, now released on
>>video).
>
>And Coronation Street. I even bought it when it came out on a single!

I should hold on to that single if I were you - it's probably worth
quite a bit by now. The bloke who tracked down TOTU for me said there
has been an increase in interest in old TV themes recently.

Marcus Durham

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In article <xN7+pHA3...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:
[snip]

>I should hold on to that single if I were you - it's probably worth
>quite a bit by now. The bloke who tracked down TOTU for me said there
>has been an increase in interest in old TV themes recently.

I've got the single of the Howards Way theme, complete with that
warbling bird singing "Always there" on the B-Side. Yours for only 3
chops squire.

Chris Hill

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In article <CY66KIAf...@zenn.demon.co.uk>, Marcus Durham
<Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> writes

<snip>

>I've got the single of the Howards Way theme, complete with that
>warbling bird singing "Always there" on the B-Side. Yours for only 3
>chops squire.

Howards Way... that was the one about people arsing around in boats,
wasn't it?

I think I'll pass.

Marcus Durham

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In article <2ICv4FAT...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill

<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:
[snip]
>
>Howards Way... that was the one about people arsing around in boats,
>wasn't it?
[snip]

A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.

Never did go a bundle on the fashion bit, but the rest wasn't bad.

JK

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In article <6$p2nHAXJ...@zenn.demon.co.uk>, Marcus Durham
<Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <2ICv4FAT...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:
>[snip]
>>
>>Howards Way... that was the one about people arsing around in boats,
>>wasn't it?
>[snip]
>
>A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.

Believe me, it gets tiring after a while.

--
JK.

Marcus Durham

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In article <G$pavSAm4...@johnkaye.demon.co.uk> JK
<jo...@johnkaye.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:

>In article <6$p2nHAXJ...@zenn.demon.co.uk>, Marcus Durham
><Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> writes
[snip]
>>A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.
>
>Believe me, it gets tiring after a while.
>

Well, I'm sure Kate O'Mara would tire anyone out.

Jesus

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In article <G$pavSAm4...@johnkaye.demon.co.uk>, JK
<jo...@johnkaye.demon.co.uk> writes in demon.local

>In article <6$p2nHAXJ...@zenn.demon.co.uk>, Marcus Durham
><Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <2ICv4FAT...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
>><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:
>>[snip]
>>>
>>>Howards Way... that was the one about people arsing around in boats,
>>>wasn't it?
>>[snip]
>>
>>A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.
>
>Believe me, it gets tiring after a while.

So let someone else have a go.

Mike Fleming

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In article <CY66KIAf...@zenn.demon.co.uk>, Marcus Durham
<Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> writes:

> I've got the single of the Howards Way theme, complete with that
> warbling bird singing "Always there" on the B-Side. Yours for only 3
> chops squire.

Does anyone know if the original 'Bergerac' theme tune was released on
single, or if it might be on a compilation somewhere? That's the
version with the bloody brilliant fretless bass on it (Where's Hap,
eh? Seperate, seperate, seperate...).

--
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Mike Fleming

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In article <$ir$XiDErU...@nosmo.demon.co.uk>, Nosmo
<no...@nosmo.demon.co.uk> writes:

> For some reason a programme that I saw as a child entered my head last
> night; a programme called "Flambards".
>
> Can anyone remember anything about it at all?

No, but I do remember that there's some sort of Flambards theme park
or theme place in Cornwall. Can't be any more specific, I'm afarid.
Might be worth doing a web search on 'flambards' and 'cornwall'.

B.E.Newsam

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Chris Hill none writes:
>I should hold on to that single if I were you - it's probably worth
>quite a bit by now. The bloke who tracked down TOTU for me said there
>has been an increase in interest in old TV themes recently.

If I've still got it. It's probably in the loft along with the Singing
Nun, Dana, and Francoise Hardy
--
Ben

B.E.Newsam

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Marcus Durham Kings Oak Anonymous writes:
>Tony Hatch is another name in TV theme tune history, and his work
>included Crossroads, Emmerdale Farm, Neighbours (with his wife doing the
>lyrics) and a load more.

That'd be Jackie Trent.
--
Ben

B.E.Newsam

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Marcus Durham Kings Oak Anonymous writes:
>A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.

I think I'd settle for a sexy car and a fast woman.
--
Ben

j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk

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In article <G$pavSAm4...@johnkaye.demon.co.uk>,
JK <jo...@johnkaye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6$p2nHAXJ...@zenn.demon.co.uk>, Marcus Durham
> <Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> writes

> >In article <2ICv4FAT...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
> ><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in demon.local:
> >[snip]
> >>
> >>Howards Way... that was the one about people arsing around in boats,
> >>wasn't it?
> >[snip]
> >
> >A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.
>
> Believe me, it gets tiring after a while.

Especially once you get to JK's age.

--
Joe

Craig Oldfield

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In article: <iDBSAcAC...@microser.demon.co.uk> "B.E.Newsam"
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes:

> If I've still got it. It's probably in the loft along with the Singing
> Nun, Dana, and Francoise Hardy

FFS don't let them out, they might make another record.
--
Craig Oldfield

Andy Botterill

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In article <uzBRMgAB...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.Newsam
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes

>Marcus Durham Kings Oak Anonymous writes:
>>A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.
>
>I think I'd settle for a sexy car and a fast woman.

I'd settle for a fast woman.
--
Andy Botterill

Sherilyn

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In article <iDBSAcAC...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.Newsam
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes
...

> It's probably in the loft along with the Singing
>Nun, Dana, and Francoise Hardy

I hope you have good soundproofing.


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Stuart Baldwin

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On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:52:17 +0000, "B.E.Newsam"
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Marcus Durham Kings Oak Anonymous writes:
>>A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.
>
>I think I'd settle for a sexy car and a fast woman.

^^^^
Same problem as NB, eh?
--
Stuart
'If you can't fight, wear a big hat.'

Marcus Durham

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In article <36ad2412...@news.demon.co.uk> Mike Fleming
<tau...@nospam.demon.co.uk> shared the following with us in
demon.local:
[snip]

>Does anyone know if the original 'Bergerac' theme tune was released on
>single,
[snip]

May well have been. BBC records released loads of theme tunes in the
mid-eighties.

Nancy Boston

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In article <369b6554...@news.demon.co.uk>, Stuart Baldwin
<stu...@boxatrix.demon.co.uk> writes

>On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:52:17 +0000, "B.E.Newsam"
><b...@microser.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Marcus Durham Kings Oak Anonymous writes:
>>>A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.
>>
>>I think I'd settle for a sexy car and a fast woman.
> ^^^^
>Same problem as NB, eh?

I don't have any problems regarding the speed of women.
--
NancyB
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I don't wanna be nice" (John Cooper Clarke)

Richard

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In article <uzBRMgAB...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.Newsam

<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> wrote
>Marcus Durham Kings Oak Anonymous writes:
>>A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.
>
>I think I'd settle for a sexy car and a fast woman.

Whoever said that a fast/sexy car was really a phallic symbol was
talking b*lls.

If it was, most men would spend all their time driving their car in and
out of the garage - or polishing it a lot.

--
Richard

B.E.Newsam

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Stuart Baldwin Home writes:
>On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:52:17 +0000, "B.E.Newsam"
><b...@microser.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>I think I'd settle for a sexy car and a fast woman.
> ^^^^
>Same problem as NB, eh?

<*Chuckle*> Isn't he getting any either?
--
Ben

FionaMc

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In article <X0GD$GA5go...@raccon.demon.co.uk>, Richard
<ric...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <uzBRMgAB...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.Newsam
><b...@microser.demon.co.uk> wrote

>>I think I'd settle for a sexy car and a fast woman.
>

>Whoever said that a fast/sexy car was really a phallic symbol was
>talking b*lls.
>
>If it was, most men would spend all their time driving their car in and
>out of the garage - or polishing it a lot.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Lot's do....
--
FionaMc
Strange.Slick.Slut.

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David Hadley

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Cr...@thebrink.demon.co.uk (Craig Oldfield) wrote:

>In article: <xj1eCIAC...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill

><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> music for The Omega Man with Charlton Heston (top film, now released on
>> video).
>

>Far better book "I am Legend" by Richard Matheson.

Richard Matheson. - Where do I recognise that name from? What else has
he written?

--
David Hadley

David Hadley

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Chris Hill <ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>I should hold on to that single if I were you - it's probably worth
>quite a bit by now. The bloke who tracked down TOTU for me said there
>has been an increase in interest in old TV themes recently.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why?

--
David Hadley

David Hadley

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"B.E.Newsam" <b...@microser.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Marcus Durham Kings Oak Anonymous writes:
>>A world of sailing, high fashion, fast cars and sexy women.
>

>I think I'd settle for a sexy car and a fast woman.

I'd settle for a woman.

--
David Hadley

Chris Hill

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Don't know - he didn't say. Nostalgia perhaps? That was certainly my
reason for wanting the TOTU theme (which has just arrived, and I have
just played, and is bloody wonderful).

FionaMc

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[theme tunes]

Alright I give up - just what is TOTU?

Chris Hill

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<Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <pf+Y9OAh...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>[theme tunes]
>
>Alright I give up - just what is TOTU?

Sorry - Tales of the Unexpected.

Richard

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In article <WbkUxcAU...@dunno0.demon.co.uk>, FionaMc
<Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> wrote

>In article <X0GD$GA5go...@raccon.demon.co.uk>, Richard
><ric...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>Whoever said that a fast/sexy car was really a phallic symbol was
>>talking b*lls.
>>
>>If it was, most men would spend all their time driving their car in and
>>out of the garage - or polishing it a lot.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Lot's do....

I'll take your word for it - I wouldn't know <G>
--
Richard

Richard

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In article <pf+Y9OAh...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote
<snip>

>
>Don't know - he didn't say. Nostalgia perhaps?

Nah, nostalgia's not what it used to be.

--
Richard

Richard

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In article <OrERQcAK...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>Alright I give up - just what is TOTU?
>
>Sorry - Tales of the Unexpected.

You didn't expect that, did you Fi?

--
Richard

FionaMc

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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In article <OrERQcAK...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> writes

>>
>>Alright I give up - just what is TOTU?
>
>Sorry - Tales of the Unexpected.

Damn! <head hits table>

Does anyone remember the one about the shop girl and the invisble rabbit
[?]

FionaMc

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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In article <ow3MuSD8q8m2EwX$@raccon.demon.co.uk>, Richard
<ric...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <OrERQcAK...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote

>>In article <$pz+NRAK...@dunno0.demon.co.uk>, FionaMc
>><Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>Alright I give up - just what is TOTU?
>>
>>Sorry - Tales of the Unexpected.
>
>You didn't expect that, did you Fi?
>
<G> Oddly enough, no....

Chris Hill

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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In article <ow3MuSD8q8m2EwX$@raccon.demon.co.uk>, Richard
<ric...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <OrERQcAK...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>In article <$pz+NRAK...@dunno0.demon.co.uk>, FionaMc
>><Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>Alright I give up - just what is TOTU?
>>
>>Sorry - Tales of the Unexpected.
>
>You didn't expect that, did you Fi?
>
It was Unexpected.

This will not turn into a cascade.

Chris Hill

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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In article <BgahfHBp...@dunno0.demon.co.uk>, FionaMc
<Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <OrERQcAK...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> writes

>>In article <$pz+NRAK...@dunno0.demon.co.uk>, FionaMc
>><Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>>
>>>Alright I give up - just what is TOTU?
>>
>>Sorry - Tales of the Unexpected.
>
>Damn! <head hits table>
>
>Does anyone remember the one about the shop girl and the invisble rabbit
>[?]

Someone recently posted the URL for an excellent old-TV site:

http://tv.cream.org

It mentions some of the TOTU episodes. Maybe this one? I don't know.

Chris Hill

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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In article <fXGx3aB6$7m2...@raccon.demon.co.uk>, Richard
<ric...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <pf+Y9OAh...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote

><snip>
>>
>>Don't know - he didn't say. Nostalgia perhaps?
>
>Nah, nostalgia's not what it used to be.
>
Hmm... I've had this feeling before... I think it's deja vu...

Richard

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In article <BgahfHBp...@dunno0.demon.co.uk>, FionaMc
<Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> wrote
<snip>

>
>Does anyone remember the one about the shop girl and the invisble rabbit
>[?]

I remember Harvey - but he was an invisible rabbit. What type of breed
is an invisble?

--
Richard

Richard

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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In article <vqUJQMAN...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote
>In article <ow3MuSD8q8m2EwX$@raccon.demon.co.uk>, Richard
><ric...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <OrERQcAK...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
>><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote

>>>In article <$pz+NRAK...@dunno0.demon.co.uk>, FionaMc
>>><Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>>
>>>>Alright I give up - just what is TOTU?
>>>
>>>Sorry - Tales of the Unexpected.
>>
>>You didn't expect that, did you Fi?
>>
>It was Unexpected.
>
>This will not turn into a cascade.

I expect you might be right - or perhaps not.

--
Richard

Richard

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In article <naRLMVAa...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
<ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote
>In article <fXGx3aB6$7m2...@raccon.demon.co.uk>, Richard
><ric...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <pf+Y9OAh...@chris-h.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hill
>><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote

>><snip>
>>>
>>>Don't know - he didn't say. Nostalgia perhaps?
>>
>>Nah, nostalgia's not what it used to be.
>>
>Hmm... I've had this feeling before... I think it's deja vu...

I'm sure that you've said that before

--
Richard

KKKKatie

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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In article: <RTlyGOBx...@raccon.demon.co.uk> Richard
<ric...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:

>
> I remember Harvey - but he was an invisible rabbit. What type of
> breed is an invisble?

A pooka, if I remember the film correctly

--
Kate
Need I say more?

FionaMc

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In article <RTlyGOBx...@raccon.demon.co.uk>, Richard
<ric...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <BgahfHBp...@dunno0.demon.co.uk>, FionaMc
><Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> wrote
><snip>
>>
>>Does anyone remember the one about the shop girl and the invisble rabbit
>>[?]
>
>I remember Harvey - but he was an invisible rabbit. What type of breed
>is an invisble?
>
Phtphtpht! :P
--
FionaMc
Strange.Slick.Slut.

"When I want your opinion I'll give it to you" Anonymous RSM

Richard

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In article <nXwYydAD...@dunno0.demon.co.uk>, FionaMc
<Free...@dunno0.demon.co.uk> wrote
<snip>
>>
>Phtphtpht! :P

Impression of an out-board motor?

--
Richard

David Hadley

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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Chris Hill <ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <36a7d5e4.14412100@news>, David Hadley
><da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes

[an increase in interest in old TV themes]
>>Why?
>>
>
>Don't know - he didn't say. Nostalgia perhaps? That was certainly my

I dunno it just seems to be a pretty ephemeral thing to be interested
in, certainly to the extent that there seem to be 'serious' collectors
of this sort of stuff about these days.

It is - to me - a source of wonder that there does seem to have been
an explosion in the things that are collectable these days. All sorts
of toys and stuff (it always seems unbelievably sad to me to see an
old toy still in pristine condition and still in the original box -
it's like a denial of the whole point of being a toy).

Like people who pay out fortunes for old records and don't dare to
play them.

The cult of consumerism is a very weird beast once you start to
deconstruct it though.

>reason for wanting the TOTU theme (which has just arrived, and I have
>just played, and is bloody wonderful).

I've just discovered - from some other post that TOTU stands for what
her ladyship used to call Tales of the Bleedin' Obvious. Wasn't that
the one where they had some bint dancing in flames or something?

I can't really remember the tune that well, but I must admit that it
was - at the time - quite infectious.

--
David Hadley

Chris Hill

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In article <36a6c53b.2549508@news>, David Hadley

<da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes
>Chris Hill <ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <36a7d5e4.14412100@news>, David Hadley
>><da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes
>[an increase in interest in old TV themes]
>>>Why?
>>>
>>
>>Don't know - he didn't say. Nostalgia perhaps? That was certainly my
>
>I dunno it just seems to be a pretty ephemeral thing to be interested
>in, certainly to the extent that there seem to be 'serious' collectors
>of this sort of stuff about these days.
>
>It is - to me - a source of wonder that there does seem to have been
>an explosion in the things that are collectable these days. All sorts
>of toys and stuff (it always seems unbelievably sad to me to see an
>old toy still in pristine condition and still in the original box -
>it's like a denial of the whole point of being a toy).

I can see that point, but someone who is forward looking might buy two
of a particular item - one to use and one to keep for posterity. Looking
at how much things like the old Star Wars figures are worth now (only 20
years old) it seems like a worthwhile exercise. I can easily believe
that in, say, 2019 we will see Tamagotchis, Buzz Lightyears and (God
help us all) Furbys (Furbies?) changing hands for considerable amounts
of money.

>Like people who pay out fortunes for old records and don't dare to
>play them.

I do this, but simply because vinyl degrades if it is played a lot. The
simple solution is to tape the record and listen to the tape instead.

>The cult of consumerism is a very weird beast once you start to
>deconstruct it though.
>
>>reason for wanting the TOTU theme (which has just arrived, and I have
>>just played, and is bloody wonderful).
>
>I've just discovered - from some other post that TOTU stands for what
>her ladyship used to call Tales of the Bleedin' Obvious. Wasn't that
>the one where they had some bint dancing in flames or something?

Yes, that's the one. I wanted this particular theme because it has an
extremely powerful nostalgic effect for me - reminds me of a
particularly happy part of my childhood.

>I can't really remember the tune that well, but I must admit that it
>was - at the time - quite infectious.

A waltz, with saxophone and sort of fairground organ. One day I might
transcribe it and make a MIDI file - purely for my own enjoyment, of
course.

B.E.Newsam

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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Chris Hill none writes:
>I do this, but simply because vinyl degrades if it is played a lot. The
>simple solution is to tape the record and listen to the tape instead.

Vinyl? VINYL? The records I collect are 8" 78s, they're on shellac.
--
Ben

Chris Hill

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Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
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In article <197678...@nemesis.nu>, Neil Barker <Ne...@nemesis.nu>
writes
>In article: <JZ4wcHAD...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> I can easily believe that in, say, 2019 we will see Tamagotchis, Buzz
>> Lightyears and (God help us all) Furbys (Furbies?) changing hands for
>> considerable amounts of money.
>
>Quite.
>
>Here's a question - what toy would you buy and keep in its unopened box
>and deep-six in the loft, to later sell in many years to come as
>collectible ?

Hmm... toys linked to TV series seem to be good investments - the
Thunderbirds die casts(?), even the Space 1999 ones spring to mind.
Anything limited edition, of course. Toys which are not robust and
therefore less likely to withstand the ravages of time under normal use.

On a closely related theme, I have an almost-complete collection of
2000AD comics here (and still growing) which I'm hoping will be worth
something one day.

>I can't help but feeling I should go out and buy a Nintendo Gameboy - I
>wonder how many of these will be around in 20yrs time ?

I've got one of the original Sinclair LED calculators here which I
believe is quite collectable. Many years ago I was surprised to see a
Speak and Spell in the Science Museum. Wonder if it's still there...

Richard

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Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
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In article <197678...@nemesis.nu>, Neil Barker <Ne...@nemesis.nu>
wrote
<snip>

>
>Here's a question - what toy would you buy and keep in its unopened box
>and deep-six in the loft, to later sell in many years to come as
>collectible ?
>
How about a Barbie?

>I can't help but feeling I should go out and buy a Nintendo Gameboy - I
>wonder how many of these will be around in 20yrs time ?
>

Same as now - too many

--
Richard

B.E.Newsam

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Neil Barker Maniacal Killer Sig-Bunnies writes:
>Here's a question - what toy would you buy and keep in its unopened box
>and deep-six in the loft, to later sell in many years to come as
>collectible ?

Something of reasonable quality, relatively well known, in relatively
short supply, and essentially ephemeral. Those toys that kids get with
MacDonalds Happy Meals seem to fit the bill.
--
Ben

Jesus

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Jan 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/19/99
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In article <197678...@nemesis.nu>, Neil Barker <Ne...@nemesis.nu>
writes

>Here's a question - what toy would you buy and keep in its unopened box
>and deep-six in the loft, to later sell in many years to come as
>collectible ?

an iMac :-)

Gary Smith

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On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:43:55 +0000, we are led to believe that Jesus AKA
<news.p...@news.heaven.co.uk> wrote:
:an iMac :-)

I'm keeping an MR1, original battery and charger. They were (are) damn popular,
and may well be worth a fortune one day :-)

(The battery itself was never charged, I'm told).

--
Gary Smith | "waddles like a penguin, honks like a penguin.
No longer employed by | it's a penguin" -- Iain A F Fleming
Ace Connections Ltd |

David Hadley

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Ne...@nemesis.nu (Neil Barker) wrote:

>In article: <JZ4wcHAD...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> I can easily believe that in, say, 2019 we will see Tamagotchis, Buzz
>> Lightyears and (God help us all) Furbys (Furbies?) changing hands for
>> considerable amounts of money.
>
>Quite.
>

>Here's a question - what toy would you buy and keep in its unopened box
>and deep-six in the loft, to later sell in many years to come as
>collectible ?
>

Now that all depends on what people want to collect. This
'silly-price' collecting thing depends on rarity, and - to a large
extent - fashion. I think you would have to have a fair amount of luck
to get it right.

>I can't help but feeling I should go out and buy a Nintendo Gameboy - I
>wonder how many of these will be around in 20yrs time ?

The thing with stuff like this - like antiques, like even fine art to
some extent[1] - it all depends on how much people are prepared to
pay. Something 'worth' thousands one day could be 'worth' nothing the
next when the fashion changes.

[here we go off at a tangent]

Most things in the modern world only have value because people (in
general) consent to give them that value; gold, diamonds - they have
some uses, but for jewellery and stuff like that they are only
valuable because people agree they are valuable. Like 'branded'
fashion goods, a 'name' can be worth way above the price of an
un-branded item, but there is no real difference other than that of
the perception of the brand.

But that is the nature of consumerism. We are told that what we buy
creates our personalities, buy the right things and you will become,
or at least other people will see you as, the person you would like to
be.

The Post-Apocalypse game is a good game to play in such situations:
what would your bag of gold or designer jeans be worth when you were
the last person alive?

--
David Hadley

Keith

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Jan 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/20/99
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In article <819778...@nemesis.nu>, Neil Barker <Ne...@nemesis.nu>
writes
>In article: <G1J7NWAb...@microser.demon.co.uk> "B.E.Newsam"
><b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Something of reasonable quality, relatively well known, in relatively
>> short supply, and essentially ephemeral. Those toys that kids get with
>> MacDonalds Happy Meals seem to fit the bill.
>
>John Woods, who runs the two McDonalds in Burton, had a collection of
>the *entire* range of toys issued by McDonalds in the UK....
>
As if running one isn't enough to prove insanity.....
--
Keith Ke...@ilf0rd.demon.co.uk
Team TSF - Upgrading/Thinking

Tony Wright

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Jan 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/20/99
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In article <36ab4bdb.8756143@news>, David Hadley
<da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes:

>[here we go off at a tangent]

An unusual thing for you to do David.

>Most things in the modern world only have value because people (in
>general) consent to give them that value; gold, diamonds - they have
>some uses, but for jewellery and stuff like that they are only
>valuable because people agree they are valuable.

The same is true of money. If the financial markets agree that the
pound, rouble, franc or whatever is worth less then its value drops.
Witness the Russian rouble a couple of months ago.

[snip]

>The Post-Apocalypse game is a good game to play in such situations:
>what would your bag of gold or designer jeans be worth when you were
>the last person alive?

Also an interesting way of looking at jobs and skills. The basic skills
versus those that are only of use in 'civilized' society.

A load of people show up at the gates of the post-apocalypse fenced
enclosure wanting entrance for food, shelter and safety:

Head Man: OK, next. What can you do?
Man: I'm a doctor
Head Man: A proper medical one or one of them phoney ones?
Man: Medical
HM to armed guard: Let him in.
HM: Next. What can you do?
Man: I'm a computer software engineer.
HM: Sod off. You're no use here. Next. What can you do?
Man: I'm a lawyer.
HM: You've got a nerve haven't you? Sod off.
HM: Next. What can you do?
Woman: I'm a demon.local slut.
HM looking up quickly: So you are, so you are.
HM to armed guard: Keep the rest here, I'm taking lunch early.
HM to woman: Now just step this way. Your name's not Barbie is it?
*Thwack*
HM to himself: Oooh goodie, the genuine article...
--
Tony

Malcolm Ogilvie

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Jan 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/20/99
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In article <36ab4bdb.8756143@news>, David Hadley
<da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes
>Ne...@nemesis.nu (Neil Barker) wrote:
>
>>In article: <JZ4wcHAD...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> Chris Hill
>><ch...@chris-h.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> I can easily believe that in, say, 2019 we will see Tamagotchis, Buzz
>>> Lightyears and (God help us all) Furbys (Furbies?) changing hands for
>>> considerable amounts of money.
>>
>>Quite.
>>
>>Here's a question - what toy would you buy and keep in its unopened box
>>and deep-six in the loft, to later sell in many years to come as
>>collectible ?
>>
>
>Now that all depends on what people want to collect. This
>'silly-price' collecting thing depends on rarity, and - to a large
>extent - fashion. I think you would have to have a fair amount of luck
>to get it right.
>
Collect books. You can enjoy them whether they appreciate or not, and if
they do, then that's a happy bonus. I collect arctic books in a modest
way and have enjoyed reading everything I've bought. As it happens, some
of them have gained in value very considerably (10-20 times) since I
bought them, but as I've no intention of selling them, only my family
will benefit, eventually.

I certainly don't subscribe to the notion that in order to invest you
have to pack the collectibles away in an attic. Daft idea!
--
Malcolm

Richard

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Jan 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/20/99
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In article <n+3+NRAS...@ilf0rd.demon.co.uk>, Keith
<ke...@ilf0rd.demon.co.uk> wrote
[McDonalds]

>>
>As if running one isn't enough to prove insanity.....

Running it is okay - it's when you eat the product ...

--
Richard

Richard

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Jan 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/20/99
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In article <WTrlXSAH...@saska.demon.co.uk>, Tony Wright
<a...@saska.demon.co.uk> wrote

<snip> <BG>

>HM to woman: Now just step this way. Your name's not Barbie is it?
>*Thwack*
>HM to himself: Oooh goodie, the genuine article...

Don't understand this - would you c(d)are to explain?

--
Richard

David Hadley

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Jan 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/23/99
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Malcolm Ogilvie <mal...@ogilvie.org> wrote:

>In article <36ab4bdb.8756143@news>, David Hadley
><da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes

>>Now that all depends on what people want to collect. This


>>'silly-price' collecting thing depends on rarity, and - to a large
>>extent - fashion. I think you would have to have a fair amount of luck
>>to get it right.
>>
>Collect books. You can enjoy them whether they appreciate or not, and if

If you could see the room I am sitting in, you would not say such a
thing. Although not many of them would be in a collectable state. I
have a very, very serious second-hand book habit, especially from the
library (not that libraries really ought to sell books).

>they do, then that's a happy bonus. I collect arctic books in a modest

Arctic Books?

>way and have enjoyed reading everything I've bought. As it happens, some

I tend to buy for the contents only. I suppose some might increase in
value, but it is not something that interests me really.

>of them have gained in value very considerably (10-20 times) since I
>bought them, but as I've no intention of selling them, only my family
>will benefit, eventually.
>

I have - in the past - sold books, records and other stuff - mainly to
make room and they have been, and still are, some of the biggest
regrets of my life. Not for the things themselves, as artifacts, but
for the sheer irritation of not having a particular book to re-read or
look up something, or to hear a certain tune again, without having to
go out and buy the damned thing again.

>I certainly don't subscribe to the notion that in order to invest you
>have to pack the collectibles away in an attic. Daft idea!

I suppose that is the big distinction seeing the things as objects, or
for their intrinsic worth. What interests me about a thing is what use
I get out of it: A book is only valuable for its contents, a car for
getting me to and from where I want to go, a house for keeping the
rain off and so on. The actual thing as an object, book, CD, lump of
potential rust with a wheel at each corner, ordered pile of bricks and
all that may have some features I find pleasurable; nice cover or
something, but that is not enough for me to value the object over what
it does for me.

I suppose the idea behind things being collectable is that - somehow -
rarity implies worth. To a certain extent I can see that apply to
things like artworks, because there is only one and - most importantly
- we have not found an adequate way of producing exact copies of them,
they are unique. But for mass-produced stuff, I can't really see them
having any value like this.

As for the Holy relics that have been blessed by one of the gods of
celebrity; Jimi Hendrix's underpants, a dress worn by Marilyn Munroe,
Bill Clinton's cigar, Marc Bolan's Mini or whatever. I can't see that
at all.

--
David Hadley

joseph hutcheon

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Jan 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/23/99
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In article <36b45660.14371345@news>
da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk "David Hadley" writes:

> Malcolm Ogilvie <mal...@ogilvie.org> wrote:
>
> I have - in the past - sold books, records and other stuff - mainly to
> make room and they have been, and still are, some of the biggest
> regrets of my life. Not for the things themselves, as artifacts, but
> for the sheer irritation of not having a particular book to re-read or
> look up something, or to hear a certain tune again, without having to
> go out and buy the damned thing again.

I agree with this for the most part, except I don't regret selling my Elton
John records (indeed, I feel brave admitting I ever owned them).

>
> >I certainly don't subscribe to the notion that in order to invest you
> >have to pack the collectibles away in an attic. Daft idea!

The classic example would be Matchbox toy cars. My brother has quite a
large collection, which would be worth thousands if he'd left them in their
boxes. But you'd have to be a very sad (or very far-sighted) child to put a
new toy away unopened in a cupboard for thirty-odd years as an investment.
As it is, they're all a bit battered, lacking tyres, often with horrendous
luminous paint jobs, but he keeps them for sentimental/nostalgic reasons.

Joe


Malcolm Ogilvie

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In article <36b45660.14371345@news>, David Hadley
<da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes

>Malcolm Ogilvie <mal...@ogilvie.org> wrote:
>
>>Collect books. You can enjoy them whether they appreciate or not, and if
>
>If you could see the room I am sitting in, you would not say such a
>thing. Although not many of them would be in a collectable state. I
>have a very, very serious second-hand book habit, especially from the
>library (not that libraries really ought to sell books).
>
>>they do, then that's a happy bonus. I collect arctic books in a modest
>
>Arctic Books?
>
Books about the arctic - mainly its exploration (Ross, Nansen, Peary,
etc) but also its wildlife and ecology.

>
>I have - in the past - sold books, records and other stuff - mainly to
>make room and they have been, and still are, some of the biggest
>regrets of my life. Not for the things themselves, as artifacts, but
>for the sheer irritation of not having a particular book to re-read or
>look up something, or to hear a certain tune again, without having to
>go out and buy the damned thing again.
>
Yep, it's much better to build more bookshelves and if they spill over
into the hall or the landing, plus the bedrooms of course, then so be
it. I was fortunate enough to be brought up in a house crammed with
books by a book-collecting father who went on to become a secondhand
bookdealer when he retired, and the book collecting bug has definitely
been passed on. I don't think the book selling bug has, however, as I
find it *extremely* difficult to dispose of any books, even ones I am no
longer interested in.

>
>I suppose the idea behind things being collectable is that - somehow -
>rarity implies worth. To a certain extent I can see that apply to
>things like artworks, because there is only one and - most importantly
>- we have not found an adequate way of producing exact copies of them,
>they are unique. But for mass-produced stuff, I can't really see them
>having any value like this.
>
That's right. But books are massed produced, though sometimes in quite
small numbers, or only small numbers survive over many years, and even
though the majority of people may collect them for their contents, their
rarity value pushes the price up and may make them good investments.
I've rarely spent more than 20-30 pounds on a secondhand book yet some
of them are worth a few hundreds 20 years later. On the other hand, I am
currently collecting a 10-volume series with each one (one every 18
months) currently costing me 85 pounds, but I doubt very much whether in
20 or 30 years time they will be worth much more than what I will have
paid, if that. However, the contents are what I'm after.
--
Malcolm

Malcolm Ogilvie

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In article <917090...@joehutch.demon.co.uk>, joseph hutcheon
<jos...@joehutch.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <36b45660.14371345@news>

> da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk "David Hadley" writes:
>
>> Malcolm Ogilvie <mal...@ogilvie.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have - in the past - sold books, records and other stuff - mainly to
>> make room and they have been, and still are, some of the biggest
>> regrets of my life. Not for the things themselves, as artifacts, but
>> for the sheer irritation of not having a particular book to re-read or
>> look up something, or to hear a certain tune again, without having to
>> go out and buy the damned thing again.
>
>I agree with this for the most part, except I don't regret selling my Elton
>John records (indeed, I feel brave admitting I ever owned them).
>
>>
>> >I certainly don't subscribe to the notion that in order to invest you
>> >have to pack the collectibles away in an attic. Daft idea!
>
>The classic example would be Matchbox toy cars. My brother has quite a
>large collection, which would be worth thousands if he'd left them in their
>boxes. But you'd have to be a very sad (or very far-sighted) child to put a
>new toy away unopened in a cupboard for thirty-odd years as an investment.
>As it is, they're all a bit battered, lacking tyres, often with horrendous
>luminous paint jobs, but he keeps them for sentimental/nostalgic reasons.


Watch your attributions, please! I didn't write any of the above. It
probably doesn't matter too much in this particular context but in other
messages it might and I might become more than just peeved :-(
--
Malcolm

joseph hutcheon

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In article <cOl3CrAZ...@ogilvie.org>
mal...@ogilvie.org "Malcolm Ogilvie" writes:

<I've re-posted the whole lot because otherwise I'd get confused about who
said what>

I *thought* you'd written the sentence beginning "I certainly don't subscribe
to the notion .." and ending "..daft idea!" If you didn't then I apologise for
falsely attributing those words to you.

HTH, HAND etc.
--
Joe


Malcolm Ogilvie

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In article <917096...@joehutch.demon.co.uk>, joseph hutcheon

<jos...@joehutch.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <cOl3CrAZ...@ogilvie.org>
> mal...@ogilvie.org "Malcolm Ogilvie" writes:
>
>> In article <917090...@joehutch.demon.co.uk>, joseph hutcheon
>> <jos...@joehutch.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>I *thought* you'd written the sentence beginning "I certainly don't subscribe
>to the notion .." and ending "..daft idea!" If you didn't then I apologise for
>falsely attributing those words to you.
>
>HTH, HAND etc.

Oh! Ooops! My sincere apologies to you!!!

I confess I got muddled by the number of >> and the fact that my quote
was below another's not to mention the fact that I didn't recognise what
I had written :-((

I think I'll go and lie down quietly somewhere. It's been a heavy week
and Sri Lanka have just beaten England because of *appalling* umpiring
:-((
--
Malcolm

B.E.Newsam

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joseph hutcheon Myorganisation writes:
>But you'd have to be a very sad (or very far-sighted) child to put a
>new toy away unopened in a cupboard for thirty-odd years as an investment.

I know someone who actually looked after his toys, putting them
carefully back in their boxes after playing with them (yes, he *is* a
bit sad), and he's now the owner of some really valuable stuff.
--
Ben

j_hut...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <0VhNEaAL...@ogilvie.org>,
Malcolm Ogilvie <mal...@ogilvie.org> wrote:

<who said what>

> I confess I got muddled by the number of >> and the fact that my quote
> was below another's not to mention the fact that I didn't recognise what
> I had written :-((

No problem. I'm such an idiot when it comes to computers I was sure I'd made
a mistake; it's nice to be in the right for a change! I did reply to your e-
mail, but the reply's still sitting in my out-box and doesn't seem to want to
leave.

Cheers

Joe

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Nancy Boston

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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In article <36b45660.14371345@news>, David Hadley
<da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>I have - in the past - sold books, records and other stuff - mainly to
>make room and they have been, and still are, some of the biggest
>regrets of my life.

BTDTGTTS. Not always with regret of course as the main reason for
getting rid of them was to replace them with others that I thought I'd
like even better. The regrets were the mistakes (like Love's first album
- whatever possessed me to sell that?). I don't sell my books but have
been known to give them away to jumble sales and charity shops.

>I suppose that is the big distinction seeing the things as objects, or
>for their intrinsic worth. What interests me about a thing is what use
>I get out of it:

I used to think it ironic that when my late husband (I mean my ex-
husband, I wonder what made me write that!), whose goal in life is the
acquisition of money, bought things with the intention of doing them up
and selling them on for a profit, it never worked out and he made a
loss, but when he bought things he actually liked for his own use (art
deco furniture and pottery, his old radios), when he had to sell them
due to moving house, he made a lot of money from them.

My priorities are different. Even if any of my possessions turned out to
be valuable (which is highly unlikely), I wouldn't sell them, unless I
had to.
--
NancyB
"Listen. We are here on earth to fart about. And don't let anybody
tell you any different." (Vonnegut - Timequake)

Andrew Wilkes

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In article <+hc$JeANbM...@bostons3.demon.co.uk>, Nancy Boston
<nan...@bostons3.demon.co.uk> writes

>The regrets were the mistakes (like Love's first album
>- whatever possessed me to sell that?).

Aghh! *Sob*

I've got it. I adore it. Someone somehow managed (many years ago) to
make what looks like a massive cigarette burn in it - so bad it affects
tracks on both sides - the best ones too.

I got a replacement - someone borrowed it and I can't remember who.
(That's happened to a lot of treasured things - partic books and lps)

I also think that da capo is probably one of the first punk albums
--
regards, andyw
sans record deck too

Jesus

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In article <+hc$JeANbM...@bostons3.demon.co.uk>, Nancy Boston
<nan...@bostons3.demon.co.uk> writes in demon.local

>In article <36b45660.14371345@news>, David Hadley
><da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>I have - in the past - sold books, records and other stuff - mainly to
>>make room and they have been, and still are, some of the biggest
>>regrets of my life.
>
>BTDTGTTS.

BTDTSTTS, shirley?

Nancy Boston

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In article <3bKbf1Az$Mr2...@benevolent.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Wilkes
<ne...@benevolent.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <+hc$JeANbM...@bostons3.demon.co.uk>, Nancy Boston
><nan...@bostons3.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>The regrets were the mistakes (like Love's first album
>>- whatever possessed me to sell that?).
>
>Aghh! *Sob*
>
'Sokay - I got it again.
--
NancyB
"Expressions tell everything
I see one on you" (Arthur Lee)

Malcolm Ogilvie

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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In article <slrn7apm4n....@manassa.demon.co.uk>, Gary Jones
<ne...@manassa.demon.co.uk> writes

>On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:12:49 +0000, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote:
>> In article <36b45660.14371345@news>, David Hadley
>> <da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes
>> >Malcolm Ogilvie <mal...@ogilvie.org> wrote:
>
>> >>I collect arctic books

>> >
>> >Arctic Books?
>> >
>> Books about the arctic - mainly its exploration (Ross, Nansen, Peary,
>> etc) but also its wildlife and ecology.
>
>I take it you've heard about the 300 Club (or is that the Antarctic?) then?

If you mean the same 300 Club I know about, then it isn't geographically
tied to one area. For those who don't know, to become a member you have
to go quickly through 300 degrees Fahrenheit, the usual way being a
sauna at +200 degrees and then straight outside into -100 degrees. It
can certainly be done at the South Pole, but I would guess also in
various parts of the arctic, in, e.g., Russia and Canada. I'm not a
member! I am a member of the Arctic Club, though, which has no such
initiation ceremony :-)
--
Malcolm

Peter Hutchinson

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On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:54:59 GMT, j_hut...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> Joe
>
>
>
> ---
> htt

Er, I think Mr Bat just made DEFCON 3...

--
Peter Hutchinson ne...@phutch.demon.co.uk
Birmingham, UK Is your RAM seated comfortably? Then we'll begin...

j_hut...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <36ad0e60...@news.news.demon.net>,

ne...@phutch.demon.co.uk wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:54:59 GMT, j_hut...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > htt
>
> Er, I think Mr Bat just made DEFCON 3...

Er, I haven't the faintest idea what you're blithering on about.

>
> --
> Peter Hutchinson ne...@phutch.demon.co.uk
> Birmingham, UK Is your RAM seated comfortably? Then we'll begin...
>

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Andrew Wilkes

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Jan 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/26/99
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In article <oi0KJAAt...@bostons3.demon.co.uk>, Nancy Boston

<nan...@bostons3.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <3bKbf1Az$Mr2...@benevolent.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Wilkes
><ne...@benevolent.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <+hc$JeANbM...@bostons3.demon.co.uk>, Nancy Boston
>><nan...@bostons3.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>>The regrets were the mistakes (like Love's first album
>>>- whatever possessed me to sell that?).
>>
>>Aghh! *Sob*
>>
>'Sokay - I got it again.

No its not. The sob was self pity.

--
regards, andyw
we're all normal and we want our freedom

B.E.Newsam

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Jan 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/26/99
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Malcolm Ogilvie MAO writes:
>I am a member of the Arctic Club

Just as well, living where you do.
--
Ben

Neil Barker

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Jan 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/26/99
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In article: <78k6i2$fve$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
j_hut...@my-dejanews.com writes:
>
> In article <36ad0e60...@news.news.demon.net>,
> ne...@phutch.demon.co.uk wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:54:59 GMT, j_hut...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > htt
> >
> > Er, I think Mr Bat just made DEFCON 3...
>
> Er, I haven't the faintest idea what you're blithering on about.

That your sig is, again, expanding.

DEFCON - "Defence Condition" - DEFCON 1 being WWIII.



> >
> > --
> > Peter Hutchinson ne...@phutch.demon.co.uk
> > Birmingham, UK Is your RAM seated comfortably? Then we'll
begin...
> >

Why are you quoting sigs ?

--
Neil Barker


Malcolm Ogilvie

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Jan 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/26/99
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In article <WCBPAEA2$Zr2...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.Newsam
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes

>Malcolm Ogilvie MAO writes:
>>I am a member of the Arctic Club
>
>Just as well, living where you do.

It is a much propagated myth that the whole of Scotland has a cold
climate. When I moved here (island off the west coast) many years ago
from Gloucestershire, neighbours commiserated with me for moving to "the
frozen north". I pointed out that I would experience much less snow and
frost than in Gloucestershire, though perhaps a little more in the way
of rain and gales. The lowest temperature recorded here in the last ten
years just touched -10 Celcius. A water pipe in the garage burst, one
which I had never lagged as that amount of frost is so unusual.

On the other hand, my greenhouse blew away on Boxing Day, despite being
lashed down with ropes :-(
--
Malcolm

Peter Hutchinson

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Jan 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/26/99
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:48:36 GMT, j_hut...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> Er, I haven't the faintest idea what you're blithering on about.

DEFCON -- DEFence CONdition. Indicates state of military operations with
"5" being peacetime and "1" being global thermo-nuclear war (ie World War
III). Mr Bat is reputed to operate on a similar scale; at DEFCON 3 he dons
his cheap suit and starts making menacing advances when someone posts a big
sig...

j_hut...@my-dejanews.com

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Jan 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/27/99
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In article <210449...@nemesis.nu>,

Ne...@nemesis.nu wrote:
> In article: <78k6i2$fve$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
> j_hut...@my-dejanews.com writes:
> >
> > In article <36ad0e60...@news.news.demon.net>,
> > ne...@phutch.demon.co.uk wrote:
> > > On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:54:59 GMT, j_hut...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > htt
> > >
> > > Er, I think Mr Bat just made DEFCON 3...
> >
> > Er, I haven't the faintest idea what you're blithering on about.
>
> That your sig is, again, expanding.

Let me get this right. I thought the stuff under the broken lines was a sig,
and the stuff above was the article. When I put my name in a sig, it seemed
to make the sig expand, so I took it out of the sig and just stuck it and the
end of the article.

>
> DEFCON - "Defence Condition" - DEFCON 1 being WWIII.

I see.

> Why are you quoting sigs ?

Fuck knows.

Nancy Boston

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Jan 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/27/99
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In article <GeaHehAy...@benevolent.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Wilkes
<ne...@benevolent.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <oi0KJAAt...@bostons3.demon.co.uk>, Nancy Boston
><nan...@bostons3.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>>The regrets were the mistakes (like Love's first album
>>>>- whatever possessed me to sell that?).
>>>
>>>Aghh! *Sob*
>>>
>>'Sokay - I got it again.
>
>No its not. The sob was self pity.
>
Aghh! *Sob*

--
NancyB
Don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to
(Oh Well)

Nancy Boston

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Jan 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/27/99
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In article <y1JstAAP...@heaven.co.uk>, Jesus <news.p...@news.hea
ven.co.uk> writes
>In article <+hc$JeANbM...@bostons3.demon.co.uk>, Nancy Boston
><nan...@bostons3.demon.co.uk> writes in demon.local

>>In article <36b45660.14371345@news>, David Hadley
>><da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>I have - in the past - sold books, records and other stuff - mainly to
>>>make room and they have been, and still are, some of the biggest
>>>regrets of my life.
>>
>>BTDTGTTS.
>
>BTDTSTTS, shirley?

By the time I've finished with my t-shirts they are no longer in a
saleable state. The Ramones wipe the car windscreen, David Byrne is in
the dog's bed, and the Stranglers are lurking under the sink somewhere.

By same token I drive my cars into the ground; when I've finished with
them they are fit only for the scrap heap. The same goes for my men ;)

--
NancyB
"A friend in need is a friend in debt
I don't wanna be nice" (John Cooper Clarke)

j_hut...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <36adee7a...@news.news.demon.net>,

ne...@phutch.demon.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:48:36 GMT, j_hut...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Er, I haven't the faintest idea what you're blithering on about.
>
> DEFCON -- DEFence CONdition. Indicates state of military operations with
> "5" being peacetime and "1" being global thermo-nuclear war (ie World War
> III). Mr Bat is reputed to operate on a similar scale; at DEFCON 3 he dons
> his cheap suit and starts making menacing advances when someone posts a big
> sig...

Well I never knew that. Thanks for the clarification. Though I must say I'm
becoming a bit bored with this Mr Bat stuff.

Joe

Alex

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Jan 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/27/99
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In article <C4DQvWAG...@ogilvie.org>
on Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote

>It is a much propagated myth that the whole of Scotland has a cold
>climate. When I moved here (island off the west coast) many years ago
>from Gloucestershire, neighbours commiserated with me for moving to "the
>frozen north". I pointed out that I would experience much less snow and
>frost than in Gloucestershire, though perhaps a little more in the way
>of rain and gales.

It's safe to move back now - we don't have snow in Gloucestershire
anymore. :-(
--
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B.E.Newsam

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Malcolm Ogilvie MAO writes:
>It is a much propagated myth that the whole of Scotland has a cold
>climate.

I know, really. I've seen palm trees in Rothsay, something that you
couldn't get here in Sheffield.
--
Ben

B.E.Newsam

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Jan 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/27/99
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Neil Tungate writes:

>In article <zKU8TTAY...@ogilvie.org>, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote:
>
>>If you mean the same 300 Club I know about, then it isn't geographically
>>tied to one area. For those who don't know, to become a member you have
>>to go quickly through 300 degrees Fahrenheit, the usual way being a
>>sauna at +200 degrees and then straight outside into -100 degrees.
>
>What, Celcius?

Well, he did *say* Fahrenheit. Mind you, 200 degrees Fahrenheit doesn't
seem very hot for a sauna.
--
Ben

Graeme Eldred

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Jan 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/27/99
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In article <WIaljPAV...@bostons3.demon.co.uk>, Nancy Boston

<nan...@bostons3.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <y1JstAAP...@heaven.co.uk>, Jesus <news.p...@news.hea
>ven.co.uk> writes
>>In article <+hc$JeANbM...@bostons3.demon.co.uk>, Nancy Boston
>><nan...@bostons3.demon.co.uk> writes in demon.local
>>>In article <36b45660.14371345@news>, David Hadley
>>><da...@dhadley.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>>
>
<snip dogs bed etc>

>By same token I drive my cars into the ground; when I've finished with
>them they are fit only for the scrap heap. The same goes for my men ;)
>
Baby, you can drive *my* car <g>
--
Graeme
I've found a driver
and that's a start

Malcolm Ogilvie

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Jan 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/27/99
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In article <36af428...@news.demon.co.uk>, Neil Tungate
<ne...@skipper.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <zKU8TTAY...@ogilvie.org>, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote:
>
>>If you mean the same 300 Club I know about, then it isn't geographically
>>tied to one area. For those who don't know, to become a member you have
>>to go quickly through 300 degrees Fahrenheit, the usual way being a
>>sauna at +200 degrees and then straight outside into -100 degrees.
>
>What, Celcius?
>
Ummm! Read it again, concentrating on the 7th word of the 3rd line :-)
--
Malcolm

Malcolm Ogilvie

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In article <n3TTt0A+Csr2Ew$a...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.Newsam
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes

Yep. Lots of those here, plus Fuschia, etc., which don't survive severe
frosts.
--
Malcolm

KKKKatie

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Jan 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/27/99
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In article <n3TTt0A+Csr2Ew$a...@microser.demon.co.uk>
b...@microser.demon.co.uk "B.E.Newsam" writes:

> I know, really. I've seen palm trees in Rothsay, something that you
> couldn't get here in Sheffield.

Although there are (or were) fig trees on the banks of one of the
rivers, left over from when industry used to discharge warm water.
--
Kate
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