RE:Critical Mass in Delhi
Simon Bishop
Sounds really encouraging what you say. Do you think that other cyclists
would join in?
Speaking to an expert here he was telling me that they tried to get
cyclists involved but that the poorer cyclists are too 'up against it' to
find time to participate. Was wondering if we could get them involved
somehow. Could we offer something for them perhaps on the ride? Could we
negotiate some kind of cycling insurance deal and distribute flyers to
these guys - one of the first things I saw in Delhi was a guy carrying
diwali fireworks on his bike being hit by a car. The police came and
blamed him, not the car driver who was saying prayers on his head (no money
though). I worried that his, and his family's whole livelihood was ended
in one foul swoop by this careless driver. Insurance would really help,
but I don't pretend to know what could work here. Perhaps t-shirts saying
"One less car" could be distributed? Its also time these guys got some
respect from car drivers for reducing congestion and being environmentally
friendly.
Maybe we should not get carried away and see who turns up first?! There'll
be enough of us to get things started. But can everyone put their oar in.
It goes without saying that Delhi is different from New York or London.
Was thinking that the last Friday of the month might be easy to remember if
it is to become a regular thing, plus it links us with the critical masses
happening elsewhere. Do you think so Chander?
All the best,
Simon
"Chander M. Lall"
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Of Silence in Delhi?????
If I might jump in....a critical mass bike ride would certainly not be
illegal and is a great idea. My suggestion would be to fix one day of the
month...as in other countries...and test the concept and the participation
it generates. Even if we can get 20 people for start ..it would be a good
start.
Friday evening perhaps is critical because that is the time that everybody
gets free from work and the next day is a holiday. The idea is to be
viewed by office commuters who travel by motorized transport. The base
idea
is to disrupt the office commuters.
Also, Friday evening we will get a lot of cyclists who generally commute to
work and back. By the hundreds I would think. If we can get their
participation that could add to the critical mass.
For a start I would suggest the biking path between Defence Colony and Khan
Pur. The first ride can be on the cycling path to demonstrate how
important
such paths are. Once we get a "critical mass" we can look for other
routes.
We may get a lot of coverage if we first actively promote the biking path.
I think this path needs attention...already there are fallen trees,
motocyclists and pedestrians who don’t understand this as a cycling path.
The authorities need to understand that whilst the BRT may not have bene
successful the cycling paths are great and need to maintained and expanded.
Lets get this going guys. I would suggest 2nd Friday of every month. That
would be Friday the 8th.
Regards
Chander M. Lall
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Subject: [DELHI CYCLING CLUB] Re: Ride Of Silence in Delhi?????
Hi Ashish and all,
This is a good idea to develop a ride of silence, but I wonder if it
wouldn't be possible to gear up to this? Have you heard of Critical Mass
Rides which started in America? The last Friday of every month people meet
up and cycle together - no leaders, just a communal bike ride around the
city. Have a look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass
Now, I don't pretend to be an expert on what is acceptable or not in India
and whether something like Critical Mass could happen here.
It is not officially a demonstration since people are just getting together
for a communal ride. There's nothing illegal about that - or is there in
India?
Because people work such a long way a way from eachother I can foresee that
meeting on a Friday night after work would be difficult. Could do Saturday
instead? But anyway interested in the group's views on this. Check out
the wiki reference above.
All the best,
Simon
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Ishan, do not underestimate yourself. Take the lead and you will might be
surprised how many (and old) people follow.
Most of us "working grown ups" would really like to get this going but for
the want of time. I can speak for myself at least, cycling around is the
least I can do from my side.
- Cheers
Ashish
2008/7/15 <ishan_pu...@yahoo.co.in>
If you ask me we should organise this by august, just after the
monsoon ends so that we have a good chance of good weather. We need to
contact the board members of ride of silence to legalise this rally.
Icontacted one of them but there was no response whatsoever. We must
contact some newspaper to rally up some support. Also we need a proper
group leader who has had some previous experience in these kind of
events because I doubt that a teenager like me can handle such a large
no. of people. We can continue this for around 2 hors otherwise people
will start getting super tired which willo lead to lousy riding which
we seriously don't need any of that.
On Jul 10, 2:59 pm, "ビカス ヤダワ (vikas yadav)" <mevi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ishan,
>
> +1
>
> lets start drafting a plan and then should we expect enthusiasm.
> say when? this month or what?
> where? apparently, this ride should get all the flash of the motorists
but
> also should try not to become annoyance to the traffic itself.
> time of day? again, we have to be seen therefore should ride under the
good
> sun
> distance? 15kmph for how many hours?
>
> depending on the democratic route, riders will join along the way.
>
> 2008/7/10 <ishan_purepunj...@yahoo.co.in>:
>
>
>
>
>
> > cmon people we should really organise smthn like this in delhi. it
can
> > be like the majorest event of the year and if dis is susscesful we
can
> > organise it into a yearly and we could even do it in other cities
>
> > On Jun 28, 3:18 pm, ishan_purepunj...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
> > > I think that we have enough active members in the group for this
> > > event. I think that about 30-35 people will be enough for somebody
to
> > > notice us. We can do an easy trip about 30-35 kms on one of the
main
> > > roads to get some response.
>
> > > On Jun 26, 6:01 pm, "Ashish Gupta" <ashishg2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Maybe we can again request our friends in HT to help arrange
this!
>
> > > > - Ashish
>
> > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Ashish Gupta <
ashishg2...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > This is something we should arrange in India as well and invite
as
> > many
> > > > > cyclist as possible. Apparently there is no presence in India.
>
> > > > > Do we have a good number in the group to host this?
>
> > > > > - Ashish
>
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:04 PM, <
ishan_purepunj...@yahoo.co.in>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > >> On May 21, 2008, at 7:00 PM, the Ride of Silence? will begin
in
> > North
> > > > >> America and roll across the globe. Cyclists will take to the
roads
> > in
> > > > >> a silent procession to honor cyclists who have been killed or
> > injured
> > > > >> while cycling on public roadways. Although cyclists have a
legal
> > right
> > > > >> to share the road with motorists, the motoring public often
isn't
> > > > >> aware of these rights, and sometimes not aware of the cyclists
> > > > >> themselves.
>
> > > > >> In 2003, Chris Phelan organized the first Ride Of Silence in
Dallas
> > > > >> after endurance cyclist Larry Schwartz was hit by the mirror
of a
> > > > >> passing bus and was killed.
>
> > > > >> The Ride Of Silence is a free ride that asks its cyclists to
ride no
> > > > >> faster than 12 mph and remain silent during the ride. There is
no
> > > > >> brochure, no sponsors, no registration fees and no t-shirt.
The
> > ride,
> > > > >> which is held during Bike Safety month, aims to raise the
awareness
> > of
> > > > >> motorists, police and city officials that cyclists have a
legal
> > right
> > > > >> to the public roadways. The ride is also a chance to show
respect
> > for
> > > > >> those who have been killed or injured.
>
> > > > >> It is our chance to show the world that cyclists are also part
of
> > the
> > > > >> road and that their lives also matter equally to theirs.
>
> > > > >> For more in formation please visit '
http://www.rideofsilence.org'-
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jaspreet singh
it would be better if kept it like this--
people start from ,say, location A reach upto B and then people (living near B) from B go till C and so on.this way we can cover the whole of delhi and not increase our carbon footprint by going to the said far-off location in our cars.
Ashish Gupta
critical mass leads to a chain reaction ...
Jaspreet's idea is that - a chain reaction. Now if only we could get to the number of Ayes!
- Ashish
kanwal rajiv anand
Chander M. Lall
Kanwal,
Good suggestions indeed. I just feel it would be better if everybody is at one location. Much more impactful. We can then change venues every month sot at different times it is convenient / inconvenient to different people.
I am willing to travel to East, West, North of South…..Why don’t we start for Connaught place or thereabouts for a start. We can then pick other locations going forward. The start should perhaps be from a central location.
Regards
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Hi guys,
Just throwing in my vote. Totally agree with the whole one location
thing. We would almost certainly have to start small but at least it
would be a start. Monthy would be perfect, then it would build up
momentum each time. Even if our first time works out to be a major
letdown with poor turnout, it'll still be a start of something huge!
I'd suggest it should be on the weekends, it seems almost no one rides
during the week.
I'm really excited about this! :D
On Aug 4, 2:55 pm, "Chander M. Lall" <cml...@indiaip.com> wrote:
> Kanwal,
>
> Good suggestions indeed. I just feel it would be better if everybody is at
> one location. Much more impactful. We can then change venues every month
> sot at different times it is convenient / inconvenient to different people.
>
> locations going forward. The start should perhaps be from a central
> location.
>
> Regards
>
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Great to see the spirits building up. There's an elusive weekend just
a couple of days from now, how about planning for something?
I'm sure there are people from all sides of Delhi waiting to be a part
of this; so lets form small groups that start early and have them
converge at some central point. This way the entire group gets to be
together. Questions of increasing participation and alternate forms
like relay cycling can be discussed there, and experimented with
later.
I'll be coming from Delhi University/Mallroad. The smaller roads are
deteriorating/congested and it gets worse in another km towards
Kashmere Gate. The only wide/safe/maintained road to cycle on is the
ring road (or the roads leading to the same). Can't think of anything
closer than Connaught Place (Rajeev Chowk) to join up with the others.
India Gate, probably, only another couple of kilometres.
Anoop Rajan
Greetings to every one.
my name is Anoop, i m from mumbai
I daily ride around 27 to 28 km to and fro to work.
and so far the longest ride is around 160 to 170 km.. to raigad
I have seen that most of the pro cyclist or may be any athlete will
not coordinate or even speak
and same goes with the poor section of people who cycle to work. as
they have no other option.
its fun for us and work for them.
the reason i wrote this is because we need to be united and show every
one that we need cycling lanes.. fhew.. forgot it.. there are no place
for people to walk then who is gone make cycling lanes.
(i know delhi has got cycling lanes)
If we dn't request then we dnt get it..
Even if not cycling lanes. Every one should know we are in huge
numbers and some things has to be done.
so that people ride safe on roads and things like that.
so if we convince 1 person to quit his car. we actually make space for
4 more cyclist on the road.
So when are u all starting the first CM ride.
We are holding a rally in mumbai on 15 aug. from borivali to
churchgate.
will be educating people and distrusting pamphlet.
And also will be planing to start critical mass soon once in a month.
will be discussing on 15 aug.
One thing i am planing is bikers share in may be 50 or 100 rupess or
what ever any one want to give out once a month. and some one prints
details about why we are riding and also post some ones contact number
or mail id who will look after new people who wants to join the ride.
and get things working.
Regards,
Anoop
Sameer
have fun
creat awareness
get more people to join
giving the propensity of the indian public at large and press in
particular we would be able to do the last 2 obj by getting a few big
names involved.
having said this , we need to get more engaged with the govt in terms
of policy , infrastructure etc to push this issue and enable the whole
idea of "cycling"
frankly while im saying this my office is 24 kms frm my home so its a
far away dream for me to cycle there.....unless , like in other
countries , the metro lets me carry my cycle on board. Should we take
it up with them?
Cheers
S
