Stucco = water damage, rot and mold!

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kellyh

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Jun 16, 2009, 1:30:17 PM6/16/09
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I wanted to notify everyone of the issues we're having in our unit
(A2) due to the improper installation and maintenance of the synthetic
stucco siding on our building. It came to our attention when we
discovered water damage on the ceiling of our basement level, just
below our roof deck. Initially we thought it was caused by a leak from
the roof, however, after having 6 contractors inspect the damage,
we've been told that the water is seeping in through the synthetic
stucco siding because of inadequate flashing and sealing of moisture
entry points such as doors and windows.

Because we are located on the lowest level all the excess moisture
travels down the building and gathers in our unit. An additional
issue caused by this is the formation of mold and rot within the
walls. We had noticed a slight odor in the unit this past fall but as
winter arrived it went away, we thought nothing of it. But with all
the rain we're having the smell is back and stronger than ever.

I have been researching the internet and found plenty of articles on
this issue. Particularly lawsuits against builders, manufacturers and
installers. Check out this link to read further:
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-1704526/Something-rotten-in-synthetic-stucco.html

This is a huge issue that affects all units. We've already been
dealing with the balconies falling apart. This is just another sign of
the ill construction of the exterior of our buildings.

I've contacted the management company regarding this issue. I'm not
sure what, if anything will come of that correspondence. In the mean
time I'm continuing to research the matter.

Best,
Kelly Horrigan


Dan Ghosh-Roy

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Jun 16, 2009, 2:12:31 PM6/16/09
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Thanks for the head's up Kelly.
I checked out my apartment and noticed similar damage on one of the windows by my balcony, I live in apartment A3.
Please let me know how you progress, because I would like to take the same course of action to get this repaired.
 
Thanks,
Dan

Sabrina Grandchamps

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Jun 16, 2009, 3:26:08 PM6/16/09
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Thanks Kelly. We need to find a good lawyer.

Hernan Guerrero

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Jun 16, 2009, 4:23:20 PM6/16/09
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Kelly and Dan,
 
last year an engineer was hired to take alook at the building. Nate and Sabrina, do you still have a copy of the report?
I have asked one of the legal counselors where I work for a referral for lawyers that handle this kind of issue. Does any one know the status of the law suit the DOB handed Robert Scarano, the architect of our building? It would be good to see how we could fit in to that law suit.
 
We should find out from our lawyer who else should be held accountable. My sense is the developer is also responsible...
 
On another not so distant note, this will cost money. Sabrina, were you able to produce of statement of balances? Also did you ever print out a copy of the arrears?
 
Thanks
Hernan

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Mario

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Jun 17, 2009, 4:17:27 PM6/17/09
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I see this matter has arisen once again. I know I mentioned it at the
owners meeting on the roof that I had the same issue in two parts of
my apt. one in the kitchen and one in the front window. please include
me in any actions taken.

On Jun 16, 1:30 pm, kellyh <ke...@kellyhorrigan.com> wrote:
> I wanted to notify everyone of the issues we're having in our unit
> (A2) due to the improper installation and maintenance of the synthetic
> stucco siding on our building. It came to our attention when we
> discovered water damage on the ceiling of our basement level, just
> below our roof deck. Initially we thought it was caused by a leak from
> the roof, however, after having 6 contractors inspect the damage,
> we've been told that the water is seeping in through the synthetic
> stucco siding because of inadequate flashing and sealing of moisture
> entry points such as doors and windows.
>
> Because we are located on the lowest level all the excess moisture
> travels down the building and gathers in our unit.  An additional
> issue caused by this is the formation of mold and rot within the
> walls. We had noticed a slight odor in the unit this past fall but as
> winter arrived it went away, we thought nothing of it. But with all
> the rain we're having the smell is back and stronger than ever.
>
> I have been researching the internet and found plenty of articles on
> this issue. Particularly lawsuits against builders, manufacturers and
> installers. Check out this link to read further:http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-1704526/Something-rotten-in-s...

nkess...@gmail.com

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Jun 17, 2009, 4:51:38 PM6/17/09
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KAREN ADISSON

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Jun 17, 2009, 8:24:33 PM6/17/09
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Kelly we have the same exact unit and had a problem with this last year. It rained for a couple of day and hard one on of those days. All of a sudden my roof started leaking downstairs. I was extremely upset about it as you can imagine. I called Kim to call Jacob (original owner/builder) because I know this was their problem. We called in a Thermography Specialist to find out were the leaks were coming from. (They use Thermal Imaging to find moisture in your walls.) EVERY WINDOW was installed improperly and not sealed.  Who does that? We made him (Jacob) fix it with a call from our lawyers.  When Kim came to seal my windows & fix my sagging ceiling she found mold and no insulation in any of the walls downstairs. Everything about the construction of this place was done with the cheapest  material and done by a mix of contractors because the builder didn't pay them. We have a long battle ahead of us. I have all the document from from the Thermography company when the time comes to present.

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rob will

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Jun 18, 2009, 8:20:13 AM6/18/09
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I too had the same problem with my unit. All four of my walls downstairs had to be opened, insulated and re closed. The mold was out of control. I had a specialist come through and he conducted a Thermal Imaging screening and concluded that the moisture began from the roof and . We have a major task ahead of us but I can't wait until the end result. And... I understand the first floor unit is the basement apartment but it gets extremely cold in the winter and I'm almost sure it's because of lack of insulation.

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Subject: Re: Stucco = water damage, rot and mold!

kellyh

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Jun 18, 2009, 9:00:11 AM6/18/09
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Do either of you have the Thermography Specialist contact information?
Marc said he would bring someone in, I'd rather have a reference from
someone who used them before.
Thanks,
Kelly

On Jun 18, 8:20 am, rob will <specdar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I too had the same problem with my unit. All four of my walls downstairs had to be opened, insulated and re closed. The mold was out of control. I had a specialist come through and he conducted a Thermal Imaging screening and concluded that the moisture began from the roof and . We have a major task ahead of us but I can't wait until the end result. And... I understand the first floor unit is the basement apartment but it gets extremely cold in the winter and I'm almost sure it's because of lack of insulation.
>
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, KAREN ADISSON <karen.adis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: KAREN ADISSON <karen.adis...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stucco = water damage, rot and mold!
> To: dekal...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 8:24 PM
>
> Kelly we have the same exact unit and had a problem with this last year. It rained for a couple of day and hard one on of those days. All of a sudden my roof started leaking downstairs. I was extremely upset about it as you can imagine. I called Kim to call Jacob (original owner/builder) because I know this was their problem. We called in a Thermography Specialist to find out were the leaks were coming from. (They use Thermal Imaging to find moisture in your walls.) EVERY WINDOW was installed improperly and not sealed. Who does that? We made him (Jacob) fix it with a call from our lawyers. When Kim came to seal my windows & fix my sagging ceiling she found mold and no insulation in any of the walls downstairs. Everything about the construction of this place was done with the cheapest material and done by a mix of contractors because the builder didn't pay them. We have a long battle ahead of us. I have all the document from from the Thermography
> company when the time comes to present.
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:30 PM, kellyh <ke...@kellyhorrigan.com> wrote:
>
> I wanted to notify everyone of the issues we're having in our unit
> (A2) due to the improper installation and maintenance of the synthetic
> stucco siding on our building. It came to our attention when we
> discovered water damage on the ceiling of our basement level, just
> below our roof deck. Initially we thought it was caused by a leak from
> the roof, however, after having 6 contractors inspect the damage,
> we've been told that the water is seeping in through the synthetic
> stucco siding because of inadequate flashing and sealing of moisture
> entry points such as doors and windows.
>
> Because we are located on the lowest level all the excess moisture
> travels down the building and gathers in our unit. An additional
> issue caused by this is the formation of mold and rot within the
> walls. We had noticed a slight odor in the unit this past fall but as
> winter arrived it went away, we thought nothing of it. But with all
> the rain we're having the smell is back and stronger than ever.
>
> I have been researching the internet and found plenty of articles on
> this issue. Particularly lawsuits against builders, manufacturers and
> installers. Check out this link to read further:http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-1704526/Something-rotten-in-s...

KAREN ADISSON

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Jun 18, 2009, 9:34:44 PM6/18/09
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Hey Kelly here's who we used.
http://www.advpropertyinspections.com

kellyh

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Jun 18, 2009, 9:59:45 PM6/18/09
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It is clear that this problem is epidemic for the whole building. We
are in the position right now of needing to take immediate action
because we can't sleep downstairs. Both Lee and I are feeling
respiratory problems from the mold. We want to document and contact a
lawyer as soon as possible. Please advise what role Paradigm and the
Condo Board will play on our behalf.

Thanks for the thermography information Karen.


On Jun 18, 9:34 pm, KAREN ADISSON <karen.adis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Kelly here's who we used.http://www.advpropertyinspections.com

nkess...@gmail.com

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Jun 18, 2009, 11:03:20 PM6/18/09
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Past history points to the fact that, in order to get anywhere with the developer regarding an issue within your home. Any reports that are drawn up must be used in tandem with a letter from an attorney of your choice.
Karen, who was the attorney that made the call/ wrote the letter for you and Raine? Would you please provide their info. Perhaps they could help Kelly and Lee in the immediate future to coordinate the proper repairs inside their apartment.

Enlisting counsel who has had success dealing with the developer in the past would seem to make sense. However, that is only my recommendation as an owner.

The HOA does not currently have an attorney on retainer to consult with.

The association will certainly be interviewing legal counsel in the near future in order to advise us on how to proceed with other outstanding building issues.

Board voting ends tomorrow.
Of course I cannot speak for all board members. However my goal as president is to meet quickly after the elections are tallied and put together a list of our 6 greatest challenges and a clear time line and plan on how to effectively reel them in. The board will then post its findings and welcome any recommendations from owners.

The two most pressing (in my opinion) being:
1-maintenance collections
2-seeking retribution for outstanding developer issues that are effecting our quality of life.



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Hernan Guerrero

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Jun 19, 2009, 11:45:13 AM6/19/09
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Kelly I am not sure what role Paradigm will play, but the board will aim to figure out the best way to go about solving our common issue. Hopefully the board's efforts will coincide with your needs. Unfortunately this issue has been going on for some time and it will be difficult to resolve if maintenance fees are not paid by all owners as it looks like it will take time and money to go after the builder.
 
The new board will meet soon and figure out the best way to move forward. In the mean time please keep us posted on what you are doing as it seems you guys have some immediate repairs that need to be done.
 
Hernan

KAREN ADISSON

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Jun 19, 2009, 12:19:56 PM6/19/09
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Our Lawyer just happens to be Raines best friend who is an entertainment lawyer who put in a "lawyerly"call to Jacob to get things done. I don't know what was said and at the time didn't care but I got my windows sealed & ceiling fixed. He now lives in DC I'll give him a call & let you guys know.

kellyh

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Jun 22, 2009, 11:08:46 AM6/22/09
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We hopefully have the thermal imaging company coming out tomorrow,
organized by Marc Milord. They're also doing an air quality test, Lee
and I are both sick with allergy/asthma type symptoms.

All my research is pointing to the EIFS siding. Both the installation
and the manufacturer, AND to the lack of proper drainage starting at
top around all the windows, doors, balconies.

We are starting with the thermal image, just so we can see how
extensive the damage is and hopefully have the proof to back up the
theory above. We are taking pictures and documenting as best we can.
I am contacting a lawyer today, he was recommended by a real estate
lawyer friend. If I like him, I can pass that info along.

Power in numbers,
Kelly

Kelly H

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Jul 6, 2009, 3:01:49 PM7/6/09
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So here's the update on unit A2...
We brought in a mold and environmental specialist (www.ters.com) and
had our upstairs and basement levels tested. The report we got back
states that we have black mold in the air, ducts and walls. Apparently
the levels are considered low but were feeling the effects with asthma
symptoms and fatigue. The source of the water damage is mainly around
the exterior doors.
We'll continue to update as we go through the process of remediation.

Nathaniel Kessman

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Jul 6, 2009, 3:13:58 PM7/6/09
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Hey Robin hope all is well.  Do you have the name of that company that scanned your apartment?  Thank you
Nate
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Marc Ackerson at Field Lines

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Jul 6, 2009, 3:48:13 PM7/6/09
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Kelly, I was wondering, should one usually remove the cause of the mold
first, then remove the mold...if not, will this mold just come back again?

I know this is a pressing issue and it sounds like removing the mold right
away is of grave importance, I am curious as to the procedure or your
thoughts on this.

Marc Ackerson, RA, LEED AP
Field Lines Architecture
279 E Houston Street
New York, NY 10002
T: 1 646 530 8301
F: 1 646 530 8315
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Kelly H

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Jul 6, 2009, 4:58:57 PM7/6/09
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Yes, you are correct Marc. We should fix where the water is
penetrating the building first, however our health is compromised so
we'll need to have the mold removed asap. We're still in the process
of sorting this all out.

On Jul 6, 3:48 pm, "Marc Ackerson at Field Lines"
<m...@fieldlines.net> wrote:
> Kelly, I was wondering, should one usually remove the cause of the mold
> first, then remove the mold...if not, will this mold just come back again?
>
> I know this is a pressing issue and it sounds like removing the mold right
> away is of grave importance, I am curious as to the procedure or your
> thoughts on this.
>
> Marc Ackerson, RA, LEED AP
> Field Lines Architecture
> 279 E Houston Street
> New York, NY 10002
> T: 1 646 530 8301
> F: 1 646 530 8315
> m...@fieldlines.netwww.fieldlines.net

Sabrina

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Jul 6, 2009, 6:01:07 PM7/6/09
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When i remedied the water/mold damage in my apartment, they opened up my walls and removed the insulation and removed and/or treated whatever was affected. Then I just made sure any leaks were totally sealed off before I allowed them to put new sheet rock and insulation. I felt best doing it this way despite living under construction for a long period of time. Kim also installed a "trap door" in the area where the major leaking ocurred just in case it happened again we would have easy access to the problem.

Kelly, since the leaks were happening mainly from your deck area, I would think there's a way to find and fix the problem without work being done on the entire building?

Also, in the meantime, there might be some small additions we can make to the building to change the way water runs along the structure when it rains. This way we can prevent further damage from happening while we figure out how we're are going to get it fixed the right way.

Thanks,
Sabrina

ke...@kellyhorrigan.com

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Jul 6, 2009, 11:07:12 PM7/6/09
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Sabrina,
Who did the work for you and who was responsible for footing the bill?
We found that the roof is not really the issue here. The leaks are coming in
around the exterior doors, the balcony above us and the cracked cinder block wall
dividing our back deck.

We can patch here and there temporarily but in the long run this issue will continue to come up unless we deal with the bigger picture. It already has affected lots of other units. Based on my research EIFS siding was intended to be used on concrete or brick buildings, not wood. http://homebuying.about.com/cs/syntheticstucco/a/eifs_facts.htm

The way the water flows down the buildings structure when it rains shoots right into one of our exterior doors. That door is the main mold producing leak we have. I'll do anything in the meantime to reduce the risk of having further damage.

Thanks,
Kelly
www.kellyhorrigan.com


Sabrina

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Jul 7, 2009, 12:58:59 AM7/7/09
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Kim did the work for me. The leak was coming from a pipe from the balcony of the unit above me so it was their insurance that took care of it. The leak and the water damage was mainly coming from the balcony that was floodinge. the damage around the windows and the doors i notice when i first moved in and kim added sealant around the windows to prevent leaks. she did this for a number of units, from my understanding.

when they took down my walls i noticed that the building structure was brick or concrete and not wood.

Maybe if a lip or gutter were added over your door it would help prevent water from going it?
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