Gross Omissions in the Baltimore SUN's Police Blotter
k_sc...@my-dejanews.com
..... there's a cloud hanging over the Baltimore SUN newspaper!
The following noteworthy editorial was published in the Baltimore SUN
newspaper on 11 January 1999:
Why is it that your Police Blotter seems to focus on crimes in all areas of
our city except the Central District? I have a business in Mount Vernon and
see a lot of crime.
On January 7th, I went to court in the trial of four men who broke into my
equipment. All had records a mile long. One of the men received a nine-month
sentence, another received a 71-day sentence, a third plea-bargained out and
the fourth had his case moved to the inactive docket.
A week before the trial, someone broke into my home in Bolton Hill stealing
$4,100 worth of goods. No arrest was made.
Three years ago, I lived in the 700 block of N. Charles St. A friend and I
were held up at gunpoint. We caught the suspect who was out on parole for
armed robbery. We went to court five times over this incident. It was
plea-bargained and the robber received a three-month sentence.
But none of this was ever reported in the Police Blotter. These are just a few
things that have happened to me. I could go on and on.
That is not to mention all the people whose car windows get broken out, all
the people who are getting held up on Charles Street, other homes and
businesses getting broken into and the aggressive panhandlers.
Is this a ploy to cover-up and protect the image of the Inner Harbor for
visitors to Baltimore?
Don Davis
Baltimore
n.b. Did you know that Baltimore City touts the 4th highest murder rate in
the nation? Your chances of being murdered in Baltimore are 7 times higher
than the average American city. How do you like these odds? Do you feel
lucky? You could die here and no one would give a damn! The accused killer(s)
may walk free unscathed because Baltimore does NOT have the resources to
prosecute the murder suspect(s). The killers in Baltimore don't care where
you're from and Baltimore just doesn't care! Whether you're a city resident
or visiting from out of town..... you could be targeted! And Baltimore's
Inner Harbor is no safer than any other part of the city. On 19 July 1998,
there was a deadly stabbing on Baltimore's waterfront. Only four months
later, police pulled the body of a dead man from Baltimore's Inner Harbor on
22 November 1998. No less than one week later, a visiting New York performer
was mugged and shot just outside his downtown Baltimore hotel. Does
Baltimore's Inner Harbor sound safe to you? DOES IT REALLY? Murder is a habit
and practice in Baltimore City! Why would prospective visitors want to risk
visiting one of the most dangerous (and deadliest) cities in the country? If
you value life, limb and property..... stay away from Baltimore at all costs
HON! No small wonder that Baltimore is witnessing an exodus of it's own
citizens at the rate of 1,000 residents per month. Prospective visitors to
"The City that Breeds" also risk veneral disease since Baltimore City
occupies the top three positions nationwide for syphilis, gonorrhea and
chlamydia, respectively. If you come to Baltimore, make sure your life
insurance policy is paid up because you or your family may need it. As for
condoms, don't come to BaltiSore without them!
n.b. We made the same identical observation(s) that Mr. Davis did about the
Baltimore Sun's inability/reluctance to report the whole story about crime
and murder in Baltimore's Central District back on 30 December 1998. What we
may never know is how many of Baltimore's business, civic and government
leaders are twisting arms "behind the scenes" at Baltimore's print and
telecast media outlets to quell the publication of Baltimore's deadly and
disturbing statistics.
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Kenneth Crudup
Klaatu, why don't you *move*? I found Boston to be the stupidest place on the
planet, and did exactly that.
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MrKablooeyŠ
believed him to be the type to use his own name.
klaatu
>
> Klaatu, why don't you *move*? I found Boston to be the stupidest place on the
> planet, and did exactly that.
Um, I didn't write that article to which you responded, though I will admit
that there are certain similarities in style.
I suspect that this person has got their head at about the same place mine was
from about ten years ago up until the DCFRA Control Board stepped in and
actually _did_ things the attempt to reverse the slide downhill that
Washington was in - but Baltimore isn't lucky enough to be of great concern to
the Federal government as was Washington, and so cannot expect anything like
the bail-out Washington got.
The thing is, even though it was obvious to anyone with the eyes to see where
Washington was going, and anyone could give you ten thousand reasons why it
wouldn't ever get any better, it's better to dig in and get madder'n'hell than
to just move, all other things being equal. At least this guy is raising hell
instead of just picking his nose and waiting for the bullet that's got his
name on it.
>
> -Kenny
>
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"MrKablooey©" <robertk...@clark.net> says:
>Is klattu also "k_sc...@my-dejanews.com" (the original poster)? I always
>believed him to be the type to use his own name.
I'm not sure who the k_schmoke guy is, but I've always assumed, due to
similarities in the writing styles (the previous posts; most of the
article I'd quoted is from someene else) they were the same guy, always
critical of Baltimore.
klaatu
>
> Is klattu also "k_sc...@my-dejanews.com" (the original poster)? I always
> believed him to be the type to use his own name.
Not the same. I stick to the same alias unless my news server goes down and I
get forced to use DejaNews, but it's still a variant on klaatu.
>
> Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> >
> >Klaatu, why don't you *move*? I found Boston to be the stupidest place on
> the
> >planet, and did exactly that.
> >
Kenneth Crudup
>The thing is, even though it was obvious to anyone with the eyes to see where
>Washington was going, and anyone could give you ten thousand reasons why it
>wouldn't ever get any better, it's better to dig in and get madder'n'hell than
>to just move, all other things being equal. At least this guy is raising hell
>instead of just picking his nose and waiting for the bullet that's got his
>name on it.
Perhaps the Don Davis(?) guy in the newspaper article that the k_schmoke
guy was quoting, but the k_schmoke article writer has been around for a
while with *nothing* but "Baltimore is dangerous!" Baltimore is hell!"
and *nothing* in the way of solutions.
MrKablooeyŠ
Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>"MrKablooeyŠ" <robertk...@clark.net> says:
>
>>Is klattu also "k_sc...@my-dejanews.com" (the original poster)? I
always
>>believed him to be the type to use his own name.
>
>I'm not sure who the k_schmoke guy is, but I've always assumed, due to
>similarities in the writing styles (the previous posts; most of the
>article I'd quoted is from someene else) they were the same guy, always
>critical of Baltimore.
>
klaatu
>
> In article <77rg1t$j3v$1...@clarknet.clark.net>,
> "MrKablooeyŠ" <robertk...@clark.net> says:
>
> >Is klattu also "k_sc...@my-dejanews.com" (the original poster)? I always
> >believed him to be the type to use his own name.
>
> I'm not sure who the k_schmoke guy is, but I've always assumed, due to
> similarities in the writing styles (the previous posts; most of the
> article I'd quoted is from someene else) they were the same guy, always
> critical of Baltimore.
Nope. I'm critical about a lot of things, though Baltimore isn't usually one
of them. I've been to Baltimore maybe 10 times in my entire life and my
opinion of it is of course mixed. I did enjoy Fell's Point and the Inner
Harbor, but have never been favorably impressed with the general reputation of
non-touristy or non-upscale Baltimore, the city has always had a reputation
for general poverty and dangerousness. Of course there are good neighborhoods
and bad ones - my presumption has always been that taking the wrong turn in
Baltimore could get you killed just as quickly as taking the wrong turn in the
District, or in Hyattsville or Rockville for that matter.
I'm not sure whether or not to be flattered that I've actually got a
recognizable style or that it might be emulated - I suspect that if you're
pissed-off enough, whatever you write is giong to come out probably the same,
no matter who is doing the actual writing.
>
> -Kenny
>
> --
Chris Borillo
>
> Klaatu, why don't you *move*? I found Boston to be the stupidest place on the
> planet, and did exactly that.
Funny, I've never noticed any noticeable improvement on the stupidity
factor in DC over Boston.
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klaatu
>
> In article <36A20E8D...@clark.net>, kla...@clark.net says:
>
> >The thing is, even though it was obvious to anyone with the eyes to see where
> >Washington was going, and anyone could give you ten thousand reasons why it
> >wouldn't ever get any better, it's better to dig in and get madder'n'hell than
> >to just move, all other things being equal. At least this guy is raising hell
> >instead of just picking his nose and waiting for the bullet that's got his
> >name on it.
>
> Perhaps the Don Davis(?) guy in the newspaper article that the k_schmoke
> guy was quoting, but the k_schmoke article writer has been around for a
> while with *nothing* but "Baltimore is dangerous!" Baltimore is hell!"
> and *nothing* in the way of solutions.
There is that... the whole solutions game is a difficult one to pursue - first
there has to be a general awareness. I suspect that the situation in Baltimore
is rather like the one in the District. This guy is probably for now doing his
best, not to himself solve the problems or offer solutions, but to attract the
attention of those who _could_ provide solutions. Some things one simply
cannot do alone. Some things take public backing, and in the case of a city
gone berserk (or into mere local-subcultural rabidity) one needs national
awareness of the problem.
Interestingly enough, during the years of decline in Washington, the national
awareness of our problems was simply not there. Most people out in the country
at-large still thought of Washington as the shining beacon of truth and
democracy, and were completely ignorant of the fact that the place had been
the Murder Capital for a decade (with one year of that dubious honor having
been won by East St. Louis), and remained unaware that outside of the Marble
Zone the city was a rat-infested open sewer inhabited by precisely two
populations which cut across all ethnic, racial and class lines: the
oblivious, and the monstrous. The extremely small minority of those who were
neither part of the one problem or the other problem (call them "the
non-oblivious non-monstrous") tended to come to town, realize what was going
on, and either save their sanity and lives by vacating town immediately, or
they simply went nuts when they realized that their Nation's Capital was
essentially a small collection of ivory-tower types in ivory towers or marble
buildings, and otherwise an open anarchy occupied by an openly-criminal
culture, putting on a pretend-face of representative democracy while in fact
raising a generation of illiterates who _needed_ guns to survive their early
teens (if they survived at all).
Outside of the District, there was no awareness of this at _all_. Most
tourists came and saw only what they were shown, and either were isolated from
the realities of Washington, or they probably got real dead real quick... or
if they survived to escape and tell the tale, if they told the truth they
couldn't possibly be believed by the happily-deluded out in the provinces.
My own response to realizing what the District and some of the environs had
become was to simply go nuts, but fortunately or unfortunately for me, the
immediate effect was to not only become a Surrealist, but to also appreciate
and live for the surreality that was Washington. The contradictions and the
danger and the insanity was what I lived for, but what I lived for more than
that was documenting it all. As local society went DaDa, without even knowing
it, I was doing my best to create the only response there can be to DaDa,
Surrealism... writing the only sort of stories that could, IMHO, realistically
portray what passed for life in Washington: science-fiction/horror. An example
is at http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/vman.html or at
http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/vman_play.html
Having written about what seemed to be, to me, quite-accurate if surreal
(surreality is, after all, that feeling you get when you wake from a nightmare
into a worse one) tales of Washington Weirdness, I decided to hand publish and
was promptly run out of town with amazing speed. However, that didn't stop me
from distributing even more copies by the predecessors to the Internet... and
everyone who read this stuff evidently decided that the next time they went to
visit Washington, they'd try to sneak a peek at what lay outside the confines
of the touristy zone.
Evidently, those who did (or some of them at least) survived and escaped to
tell the tale. And evidently some of those they told came here themselves and
peeked behind the elaborate delusion erected to keep the tourists happy to pay
taxes to support the place, and eventually the word got out _before_ the place
imploded. The Internet, despite the best eforts of the media to demonize it
and the congress to criminalize it, allowed widespread public observation of
Washington and in fact attracted some of the country's leading talent to
develop an interest in the place... and many of them have indeed come to lend
their talents to develop solutions - which hopefully will be implimented with
increasing speed, as compared to last year which brought almost no visible
changes.
We must also thank the Washington Post, which had for some decades done an
excellent job of helping keep the local situation hushed-up, for finally
recognizing that the word had gotten out, and resetting their policy from one
of concealment to one of exposure.
Time alone will tell if the most essential change, the elimination of the (to
use Mayor Williams's phrase) "perverse subcultures", can proceed over a period
of sufficient duration combined with sufficient forcefulness. No matter how
much money you throw at the schools, if the "A" students get their ass whupped
after class for being studious, there will be no competant leadership to be
found in the next generation of Washingtonians. Now who that might benefit,
I'll leave unstated as an exercise for the readers... but I can state that one
need only work at low levels in the Federal Government to discover that there
are many representatives of these perverse subcultures happily backstabbing
anyone who remotely resembles actual talent. Does this nation need a Federal
government primarily composed of (after 20 years of advancement under the
present system) people whose only demonstrated talent is preventing the rise
to power of anyone actually competent to lead?
We note that as these perverse subcultures have permeated into all of the
surrounding jurisdictions, there must be an organized regional effort to
combat them - and we hope that Mr. Williams initial meetings with the leaders
of the regional jurisdictions can be expanded into a greater cooperation in
restoring sane culture to the area.
I'd sure hate to be forced to write another novel like my first one.
But I'd sure recommend something of that sort of effort to
k_sc...@my-dejanews.com
>
> -Kenny
>
> --
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klaatu
>
> Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> >
> > Klaatu, why don't you *move*? I found Boston to be the stupidest place on the
> > planet, and did exactly that.
>
> Funny, I've never noticed any noticeable improvement on the stupidity
> factor in DC over Boston.
Um - I've never been to Boston so I can't say.
The problem with a lot of the folks in the DC Metro region is not at _all_
that they're stupid. I prefer the stupid over the evil any day of the week.
Stupidity can be dealt with unless it's supported in positions of leadership,
by the evil. That is, IMHO, what happened to Washington DC over the last 20
years. It has been observed elsewhere, and by persons other than myself, that
if you really wanted to bring the US to its knees, all you'd have to do would
be to make sure that someone like ex-Mayor (by goth it's good to say that at
last!) Marion Barry remained in power and kept up a passable facade while all
functional underpinnings of the capital city were progressively eroded. Then
one need simply strike from within the herd at any competent and loyal
potential opposition. Sure, it's straight out of Ludlum or Clancy but hey,
weirder things have happened.
Anyone who's ever spent any time in Washington and hasn't noticed the
prevalence of extremely competent and organized evil people isn't just
swimming with the sharks, they're swimming with the sharks and are ignorant of
the fact.
Fortunately, there are a lot of incompetent, disorganized, and non-evil people
such as myself hanging around as bait, giving the oblivious a little more time
to notice what else is in the water with them.
>
> -- Chris
>
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>
> Chris Borillo wrote:
> >
> > Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> > >
> > > Klaatu, why don't you *move*? I found Boston to be the stupidest place on the
> > > planet, and did exactly that.
> >
> > Funny, I've never noticed any noticeable improvement on the stupidity
> > factor in DC over Boston.
>
> Um - I've never been to Boston so I can't say.
>
> The problem with a lot of the folks in the DC Metro region is not at _all_
> that they're stupid.
No, not **all** of them. But since I'm originally from New England (no,
not Boston, but Cranston, Rhode Island), Kenneth's anti-New England bait
was wearing thin. And I get wicked, wicked pissed when longtime DC
residents (or wannabes) start up with the anti-Yankee rhetoric. It's
especially grating to those of us New England expatriates that are
working to eventually **return** back home.
Usually the ones in DC making these type of comments happen to be the
**stupid** ones. It's as if some of them are living some sort of
alt.civil-war.revision fantasy...
-- Chris
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Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
>Funny, I've never noticed any noticeable improvement on the stupidity
>factor in DC over Boston.
You don't know what kind of "stupid" I'm talking about, though.
Trust me, it ain't all about "intelligence".
Kenneth Crudup
>And I get wicked, wicked pissed when longtime DC
>residents (or wannabes) start up with the anti-Yankee rhetoric.
Why? Noticing a trend that happens too often?
Chris Borillo
>
> In article <36A405...@erols.com>, cbor...@erols.com says:
>
> >And I get wicked, wicked pissed when longtime DC
> >residents (or wannabes) start up with the anti-Yankee rhetoric.
>
> Why? Noticing a trend that happens too often?
Yeah, they usually tend to me idiot loudmouths like you.
Welcome to the neighborhood. <Snicker>
-- Chris
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Chris Borillo
>
> In article <36A362...@erols.com>,
> Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
>
> >Funny, I've never noticed any noticeable improvement on the stupidity
> >factor in DC over Boston.
>
> You don't know what kind of "stupid" I'm talking about, though.
>
> Trust me, it ain't all about "intelligence".
I'm not necessarily limiting my comments to **one** type of
stupidity... ;-)
klaatu
>
> klaatu wrote:
> >
> > Chris Borillo wrote:
> > >
> > > Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Klaatu, why don't you *move*? I found Boston to be the stupidest place on the
> > > > planet, and did exactly that.
> > >
> > > factor in DC over Boston.
> >
> >
> > The problem with a lot of the folks in the DC Metro region is not at _all_
> > that they're stupid.
>
> No, not **all** of them. But since I'm originally from New England (no,
> not Boston, but Cranston, Rhode Island), Kenneth's anti-New England bait
> was wearing thin. And I get wicked, wicked pissed when longtime DC
> residents (or wannabes) start up with the anti-Yankee rhetoric. It's
> especially grating to those of us New England expatriates that are
> working to eventually **return** back home.
>
> Usually the ones in DC making these type of comments happen to be the
> **stupid** ones. It's as if some of them are living some sort of
> alt.civil-war.revision fantasy...
Well, you're gonna keep getting weidness of this variety around here.
Maryland, for instance, is technically a Southern State but it's nowhere near
as southern as, say, South Carolina. The whole DC area can easily be
categorized as it was by JFK, who said something like "Southern efficiency and
Northern charm". The divisions between North and South are, to me, most
evident in the black community downtown, most of which is culturally quite
Southern. I'd noticed that in many cases there was considerable culture
conflict between, for instance, local blacks and those from New York. For
instance, DC has the hip-hop scene and New York's got a totally different rap
scene. But if you get into the mostly-white club scenes, it's like they wish
to goth that they were in New York.
Kenneth Crudup
Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
>Yeah, they usually tend to me idiot loudmouths like you.
Coming from a New Englander, this insult means very little.
Hurry back home; they *need* you.
Chris Borillo
>
> In article <36A47B...@erols.com>,
> Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
>
> >Yeah, they usually tend to me idiot loudmouths like you.
>
> Coming from a New Englander, this insult means very little.
Wasn't an insult. Just an observation. ;-)
> Hurry back home; they *need* you.
Working on it...
Kenneth Crudup
Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
>Just an observation. ;-)
Having never heard me, I'd *love* to know where "loudmouth" comes from.
Chris Borillo
>
> In article <36A4BF...@erols.com>,
> Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
>
> >Just an observation. ;-)
>
> Having never heard me, I'd *love* to know where "loudmouth" comes from.
Er, hmmm...
This coming from a person who himself made an inference on Klaatu's
identity and k_schmoke being one and the same, having never heard, seen,
or met the person himself.
Interesting...
klaatu
>
> Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> >
> > In article <36A4BF...@erols.com>,
> > Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
> >
> > >Just an observation. ;-)
> >
> > Having never heard me, I'd *love* to know where "loudmouth" comes from.
>
> Er, hmmm...
>
> This coming from a person who himself made an inference on Klaatu's
> identity and k_schmoke being one and the same, having never heard, seen,
> or met the person himself.
Hey! Be nice now ;-)
How could he meet me? I'm a fictional character.
>
> Interesting...
Kenneth Crudup
Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
>This coming from a person who himself made an inference on Klaatu's
>identity and k_schmoke being one and the same, having never heard, seen,
>or met the person himself.
But, I've *read* both. While you can't tell how "loud" someone is via Usenet,
you can certainly compare writing styles.
Certainly you can't be this dense?
Chris Borillo
>
> In article <36A5CD...@erols.com>,
> Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
>
> >This coming from a person who himself made an inference on Klaatu's
> >identity and k_schmoke being one and the same, having never heard, seen,
> >or met the person himself.
>
> But, I've *read* both. While you can't tell how "loud" someone is via Usenet,
> you can certainly compare writing styles.
But as always, such a decision is subject to interpretation. You place
way too much weight on your own opinion.
Surely you can't be this dense... ;-)
-- Chris
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Chris Borillo
>
> Chris Borillo wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > In article <36A4BF...@erols.com>,
> > > Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
> > >
> > > >Just an observation. ;-)
> > >
> > > Having never heard me, I'd *love* to know where "loudmouth" comes from.
> >
> > Er, hmmm...
> >
> > identity and k_schmoke being one and the same, having never heard, seen,
> > or met the person himself.
>
Well, he DID make the first strike with the sarcastic comment. 'Sides,
**why** on earth would I want to be nice? ;^)
klaatu
>
> klaatu wrote:
> >
> > Chris Borillo wrote:
> > >
> > > Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <36A4BF...@erols.com>,
> > > > Chris Borillo <cbor...@erols.com> says:
> > > >
> > > > >Just an observation. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Having never heard me, I'd *love* to know where "loudmouth" comes from.
> > >
> > > Er, hmmm...
> > >
> > > This coming from a person who himself made an inference on Klaatu's
> > > identity and k_schmoke being one and the same, having never heard, seen,
> > > or met the person himself.
> >
> > Hey! Be nice now ;-)
> ^^^^^^^
>
> Well, he DID make the first strike with the sarcastic comment. 'Sides,
> **why** on earth would I want to be nice? ;^)
<PolitenessMan mode, reaches out for pre-sterilized stainless steel ice tongs>
"Because it's always right to be polite". <tweaks the nose>
</PolitenessMan>
Actually, we get enough flamage due to the traceylevin-thing. Though I have to
admit that if it weren't for flames, half of UseNet would disappear.
Kenneth Crudup
>But as always, such a decision is subject to interpretation.
Do the words "baseless remark" mean anything to you?
Seeing how "Klaatu" and "k_schmoke" are very alike is completely different
than imagining someone, with no evidence at all, to be a "loudmouth".
-Kenny
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Chris Borillo
>
> In article <36A68B...@erols.com>, cbor...@erols.com says:
>
> >But as always, such a decision is subject to interpretation.
>
> Do the words "baseless remark" mean anything to you?
If your initial sarcastic remark which started this conversation is any
indication, I doubt very seriously that you're qualified to lecture me
on what a "baseless remark" is.
> Seeing how "Klaatu" and "k_schmoke" are very alike is completely different
^^^^^^^^^^
I'm still missing an empirical demonstration from you on how their
styles are "very alike".
> than imagining someone, with no evidence at all, to be a "loudmouth".
^^^^^^^^
The problem with certain posters, though, is that they call certain
items "evidence" when they ain't really so. Especially when they later
on prattle about the lack of "evidence" from those whom they are
debating with.
Chris Borillo
>
> Chris Borillo wrote:
> >
[snipping for brevity]
> > > Hey! Be nice now ;-)
> > ^^^^^^^
> >
> > Well, he DID make the first strike with the sarcastic comment. 'Sides,
> > **why** on earth would I want to be nice? ;^)
>
> <PolitenessMan mode, reaches out for pre-sterilized stainless steel ice tongs>
>
> "Because it's always right to be polite". <tweaks the nose>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ouch! Cud you leggo by dode, bleede? <G>
<Rubbing blood circulation back to previously pinched schnozz>
You'll have to excuse my recent behavior. A little Beltway-induced
madness, I'll admit...
Still, you'll have to grant that it's natural for anyone to respond
similarly, placed in a similar situation.
> Actually, we get enough flamage due to the traceylevin-thing. Though I have to
> admit that if it weren't for flames, half of UseNet would disappear.
Well you have a point there. I suppose I should be instead saving the
flames for Travid. Which reminds me: you don't intend on using those
calipers on me again if I get mischievious and decide to toast Travid if
he strays over into this newsgroup again, do you? ;^)
Kenneth Crudup
>If your initial sarcastic remark which started this conversation is any
>indication, I doubt very seriously that you're qualified to lecture me
>on what a "baseless remark" is.
Yeah, you've proved yourself to be the master on that subject, already.
Oh, and if you wish to go all the way back, on how stupid the Boston area is?
First off, I'm Black- so we can skip the 10,339 reasons that Black folks
have no reason to be in Boston as a given, and go on about other just as
tangible reasons to label the area "stupid", like the stupid parochialism,
how major streets are narrow, badly paved, have *no street signs* and no
discernible order to their makeup and how the city would rather spend
thousands on streetlights that "capture the quaint feeling of yesteryear",
but won't spend a dime to time lights so traffic can flow more than 30
feet w/o running into yet another red light, how I've seen major stories
on the news preempted to we can get some ass-backwards "Exclusive" from
an eye-witness who's mother's neighbor's son was born in Woostah, I could
go on and on. I've lived in a dozen places, and have never called any of
'em "stupid" till I came to New England. Y'all Yankees can *have* the place.
>I'm still missing an empirical demonstration from you on how their
>styles are "very alike".
That's OK- I'm still wondering where your empirical demonstration on
"loudmouth" came from (and had you read the thread, you'd see where I'd
spelled out exactly how I put the two posters together).
Chris Borillo
[snipping for brevity]
> First off, I'm Black- so we can skip the 10,339 reasons that Black folks
^^^^^^^^^
<Putting down FlameThrower2000(tm)>
If I had known that this was the direction you were coming from, I would
not have been so hasty with the retaliatory strike.
FWIW, I **don't** know what it's like for an African-American in Boston,
although I have another friend who voiced an antipathy similar to
yours. But I've never had any significant negative experiences in New
England.
I thought initially you were some reincarnation of the "Sons of the
Confederacy". I had to deal with one of those kooks recently in my
regular newsgroup who was advocating the removal of **all** ethnic
groups: Blacks, Hispanics, Poles, Italians, etc. Only those of "pure"
White ancestry (i.e. Anglo-Saxon only) should be in the US.
I indicated earlier that I'm from Cranston RI. But I've also spent a
significant portion of my life in the South, in a place where there are
very few minorities. And, for what it's worth, I've had significant
negative experiences from that place, on account of **my** skin not
being porcelain white. I can go a few hours south to Richmond, NOT
SAYING A WORD, and MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS, and yet still encounter
hostile stares and hushed whispers if I decide to sit down in a
restaurant among an all-Anglo-Saxon throng. And I've encountered this
problem **only** in the South (with the exception of Florida) - not in
New England, not in any of the mid-Atlantic states, not on the West
Coast. And thankfully, not from DC residents (at least the ones who
aren't originally from the South). From my perspective then, returning
North and putting some distance between me and the South IS a good idea.
That's where **I'm** coming from on this...
Take this for what it's worth.
Kenneth Crudup
>I thought initially you were some reincarnation of the "Sons of the
>Confederacy".
Oh Lord, no. I'm a Chicagoan- Southerners probably lump me in with the
"Yankees" (whatever TF *that* is).
>I indicated earlier that I'm from Cranston RI. But I've also spent a
>significant portion of my life in the South, in a place where there are
>very few minorities. And, for what it's worth, I've had significant
>negative experiences from that place, on account of **my** skin not
>being porcelain white. I can go a few hours south to Richmond, NOT
>SAYING A WORD, and MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS, and yet still encounter
>hostile stares and hushed whispers if I decide to sit down in a
>restaurant among an all-Anglo-Saxon throng. And I've encountered this
>problem **only** in the South (with the exception of Florida) - not in
>New England, not in any of the mid-Atlantic states, not on the West
>Coast. And thankfully, not from DC residents (at least the ones who
>aren't originally from the South). From my perspective then, returning
>North and putting some distance between me and the South IS a good idea.
>That's where **I'm** coming from on this... Take this for what it's worth.
Wow.
.... all I can say is *congratulations*- you've been one of the first non-
Black people I've "met" on Usenet who now understands how *I* felt in
New England. If you substitute "New England" for "South" and vice-versa
in your post, that's what *I've* been thru these last 10 years in the name of
career advancement (boy, did it ever!), and you can understand then, why
coming to D.C. was like being reborn.
Nah, my problems with Boston were in two areas: (1) isolation (see above) and
(2) "logistics" (things like I mentioned in my other post).
Ain't Usenet a funny place?
Chris Borillo
[snipping for brevity]
> Wow.
>
> .... all I can say is *congratulations*- you've been one of the first non-
> Black people I've "met" on Usenet who now understands how *I* felt in
> New England. If you substitute "New England" for "South" and vice-versa
> in your post, that's what *I've* been thru these last 10 years in the name of
> career advancement (boy, did it ever!), and you can understand then, why
> coming to D.C. was like being reborn.
>
> Nah, my problems with Boston were in two areas: (1) isolation (see above) and
> (2) "logistics" (things like I mentioned in my other post).
>
> Ain't Usenet a funny place?
^^^^^^^^^^^
I'd be laughing if it hadn't dredged up unpleasant memories that I had
thought were long buried. My blood still is boiling from them...
This unfortunate incident shouldn't have happened to begin with, and
wouldn't have, if we each had just that **critical_bit** of info about
each other's histories/background. Amazing what emotional baggage can
do to two otherwise sane, rational people on Usenet.
I hope you finally succeed liberating yourself from your personal demons
in DC. In the meantime, I'll be working on mine.
Kenneth Crudup
>This unfortunate incident shouldn't have happened to begin with, and
>wouldn't have, if we each had just that **critical_bit** of info about
>each other's histories/background.
Yeah, well, you'd be surprised how people react when it comes to race
issues- I've learned that in "unknown" forums, it's best to keep my color
out of it, unless I'm expecting a fight out of someone with an agenda.
>I hope you finally succeed liberating yourself from your personal demons
>in DC.
<snicker>
The "demons" are still there, but they live in Massachusetts, 500 mi. away. :-)