Driving on suspended law?
Darnell Barber
failure to pay certain fines.
Hello, I am currently licensed in West Virginia and am in the process of
paying off various fines etc...
After calling the DMV and obtaining all the fees. I asked after paying all
of these fines
will I be able to re-instate my license. The answer was NO due to the fact
that I had 2
driving on suspensed convictions in VA I would be without a valid driver
license for 1yr.
Now, I did go to court in VA where my penalty was for 1 DOS 90days
suspension of
driving privelages and the other DOS charge 2 months suspension. Which have
expired.
What kind of law is this that denies a person the right to work, support his
family
etc... I mean there is no reliable public transportation in WV where I am
at.
If this law is only enforcable in West Virginia I am perfectly willing to
move to VA
if that is what it takes. But, talking to them I am under the impression it
is a Nation
Wide Law.
Is there anyway I can fight this?
Thanks in advance
C. P. Zilliacus
(1) You really should speak with a lawyer who is admitted to the
Bar in West Virginia, and knows how the DMV system works in the
Mountaineer State. Your county or state Bar Association should
be able to give you the names of some attornies that do traffic
and DMV work.
(2) I am NOT a lawyer.
(3) You may be able to challenge the decision of W.Va. DMV
administratively, or in the court system (but again, I really
think you need a lawyer working for you).
(4) Do you know FOR CERTAIN that your driving privileges in
Virginia are still not suspended? If you are suspended in
Virginia, it is quite likely that you cannot legally get a
license in West Virginia. If it turns out that you are still
suspended in Virginia, then you'll need to get that taken
care of.
(5) I once observed a driver with a Delaware license get
arrested on the Capital Beltway by the Maryland State Police
because a computer check showed that this person was suspended
in Virginia, which apparently automatically suspended his
driving privileges in Maryland.
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"Darnell Barber" <nightt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> First I'd like to state that this is not a DUI or DWI, unfortunately it is
a
> failure to pay certain fines.
>
> Hello, I am currently licensed in West Virginia and am in the process of
> paying off various fines etc...
>
> After calling the DMV and obtaining all the fees. I asked after paying all
> of these fines
> will I be able to re-instate my license. The answer was NO due to the
fact
> that I had 2
> driving on suspensed convictions in VA I would be without a valid driver
> license for 1yr.
>
> Now, I did go to court in VA where my penalty was for 1 DOS 90days
> suspension of
> driving privelages and the other DOS charge 2 months suspension. Which
have
> expired.
>
> What kind of law is this that denies a person the right to work, support
his
> family
> etc... I mean there is no reliable public transportation in WV where I am
> at.
You have a long list of driving infractions and license suspensions.
The law is the law. You are responsible for driving without violating
the law. If you need a car to earn a living, then you should have not
broken the motor vehicle codes, at least so much that it got you a
suspended license. The law is not your problem, you are.
> If this law is only enforcable in West Virginia I am perfectly willing to
> move to VA
> if that is what it takes. But, talking to them I am under the impression
it
> is a Nation
> Wide Law.
>
> Is there anyway I can fight this?
Your first step in answering that question is to speak with an attorney.
Izzy...
Me <sr...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> You have a long list of driving infractions and license suspensions.
> The law is the law. You are responsible for driving without violating
> the law. If you need a car to earn a living, then you should have not
> broken the motor vehicle codes, at least so much that it got you a
> suspended license. The law is not your problem, you are.
>
As someone who had his license suspended for a couple boneheaded
moves, I agree. My work was seriously affected. I nearly lost my job,
fortunately I was able to get a transfer to a closer location, but since
I was unable to road-test vehicles, my workload dropped and the
type of work I did got less intensive. Under my company's wage setup,
this screwed me royally.
Everyone got on my case to call this lawyer or do this and do that and
fight it, but why should I fight it? The law is clear, and I was in
violation
of that law, and the only thing I could responsibly do at that point was
to accept the hole that I'd dug myself.
Turnkey
Your point 5 has stepped into the land known as the "interstate
compact", i.e., agreements between states to honor each others
licensing status. For example, I am in Washington state. This state
operates on the "suspended in any state, suspended in Washington".
Can't speak for VA or WV but I think most states are members of the
compact. And yes, a good dispatcher will follow clues to check other
states than just the one the subject is licensed in.
For the original poster. Don't know about your state but here it is
possible to get an ocupational license. It restricts you to certain
hours, routes etc. but at least you can get to and from work.
Harry K
Jay Aquino
find out your options with regards to driving for work etc. as allowed by
the constraints of your suspension.
Jay
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Izzy...
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> Uh, I think these people are telling you a get a lawyer not to fight, but
to
> find out your options with regards to driving for work etc. as allowed by
> the constraints of your suspension.
>
No, they told me that I should fight the charge.
I did eventually get work privs. In Ohio, on that offense, you have to sit
out the first 30 days of the suspension before you can get work privs.
Even then, it wasn't until the final 2 weeks of my suspension before they
finally sent me the paperwork.
tool lover
you've relinquished the right to drive by your violation of the law. Do the
time, beg for thwe court's mercy, drive responsibly
Turnkey
Agree except that driving is -priviledge-, not a right.
Harry K
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David Jensen
Turnkey <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in
<957d3p$rsu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>In article <3A68EE0A...@hotmail.com>,
> tool lover <long484...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Right! You still have the right to work, support your family, etc
>However,
>> you've relinquished the right to drive by your violation of the law.
>Do the
>> time, beg for thwe court's mercy, drive responsibly
>>
>>
>
>Agree except that driving is -priviledge-, not a right.
>
>Harry K
So it is said, but why? We have the right to own property, we have the
right to travel, we have the right to learn, in fact, everything we need
to do to drive, we have the right to do. For the first 20 years of
driving, it was a right. The government took it away and claimed that it
was only a privilege.
rick++
This includes legal suspensions, lapsed licenses, failure to even get
a license or vehicle registration.
This number would be much high if lack of insurance was included.
In some neighborhoods, this number of legal drivers is less than half.
Get into an accident and it is smoke-and-mirrors.
No real person to go after and blame.
Turnkey
No the government didn't take it away. It has never been a right. If
it were a right, you wouldn't need a license (okay, weak arguement). I
don't know how long you have been driving but I have been since 1947.
It was explained to me then that it was a priviledge.
Harry K
Brandon Sommerville
>So it is said, but why?
Because if you don't learn to drive to acceptable standards, you could
very easily kill someone.
>We have the right to own property,
You can own property without driving.
>we have the right to travel,
You can travel without driving.
>we have the right to learn,
You can learn without driving.
>in fact, everything we need
>to do to drive, we have the right to do.
So go ahead and exercise your rights, and then you will be accorded
the privilege of driving on public roads. What's the problem?
>For the first 20 years of
>driving, it was a right. The government took it away and claimed that it
>was only a privilege.
In the first 20 years of driving, cars weren't terribly dangerous to
pedestrians. Cars can do a bit more than what they could at the turn
of the last century.
--
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Brandon Sommerville
>In article <m9ng7t4vqs1celjtu...@4ax.com>, Brandon
>Sommerville <g...@null.net.gov> wrote:
>
>> So go ahead and exercise your rights, and then you will be accorded
>> the privilege of driving on public roads. What's the problem?
>
>The problem is that I have paid for those roads and they are on PUBLIC
>property. While you may parse the meaning of the words "right" and
>"privilege" all day long, we have the right to drive, as long as a) we
>don't abuse it and b) we can demonstrate the ability to drive safely.
>There's no "privilege" involved. I submit that if you look up the word
>"privilege" and examine the meaning, you won't be using that word in
>this context any longer.
A privilege is something that can be revoked, a right something that
cannot. By your own admission (a and b) you demonstrate that driving
is a privilege.
Demonstrate that you can drive safely and get a license, abuse the
system and lose your license. Again, where's the problem?
You pay for the army as well, but you can't drive a tank.
Dan Cook
> You pay for the army as well, but you can't drive a tank.
You have a right to bear arms, a tank in every garage, a granade launcher
under every pillow, and your own tactical nuke when you turn 18. (NRA
wet dream.)
Aki
leg over their bike, fired it to life, looked at me and belched:
>In article <tvvg7t8vo69ibhu2v...@4ax.com>, Brandon
>Sommerville <g...@null.net.gov> wrote:
>
>> SP wrote:
>>
>> >In article <m9ng7t4vqs1celjtu...@4ax.com>, Brandon
>> >Sommerville <g...@null.net.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So go ahead and exercise your rights, and then you will be accorded
>> >> the privilege of driving on public roads. What's the problem?
>> >
>> >The problem is that I have paid for those roads and they are on PUBLIC
>> >property. While you may parse the meaning of the words "right" and
>> >"privilege" all day long, we have the right to drive, as long as a) we
>> >don't abuse it and b) we can demonstrate the ability to drive safely.
>> >There's no "privilege" involved. I submit that if you look up the word
>> >"privilege" and examine the meaning, you won't be using that word in
>> >this context any longer.
>>
>> A privilege is something that can be revoked, a right something that
>> cannot.
>
>Bzzzzzztttttt. WRONG! But that's for playing.
>
>You have a right to vote, but if you're a felon that right is taken
>away. You have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,
>but if you commit a crime you will be incarcerated.
>
>> By your own admission (a and b) you demonstrate that driving
>> is a privilege.
>
>By your own admission you demonstrate that you don't know much about
>rights.
>
>- sp
..so I'm confused..is the argument that driving is a right and not a
privilege? If that's the case, then anyone at any age should be able
to drive and short of homicide, should be able to continue to drive
regardless of the infraction?
what am I missing?
-aki
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Brandon Sommerville
>In article <tvvg7t8vo69ibhu2v...@4ax.com>, Brandon
>Sommerville <g...@null.net.gov> wrote:
>
>> SP wrote:
>>
>> >In article <m9ng7t4vqs1celjtu...@4ax.com>, Brandon
>> >Sommerville <g...@null.net.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So go ahead and exercise your rights, and then you will be accorded
>> >> the privilege of driving on public roads. What's the problem?
>> >
>> >The problem is that I have paid for those roads and they are on PUBLIC
>> >property. While you may parse the meaning of the words "right" and
>> >"privilege" all day long, we have the right to drive, as long as a) we
>> >don't abuse it and b) we can demonstrate the ability to drive safely.
>> >There's no "privilege" involved. I submit that if you look up the word
>> >"privilege" and examine the meaning, you won't be using that word in
>> >this context any longer.
>>
>> A privilege is something that can be revoked, a right something that
>> cannot.
>
>Bzzzzzztttttt. WRONG! But that's for playing.
>
>You have a right to vote, but if you're a felon that right is taken
>away. You have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,
>but if you commit a crime you will be incarcerated.
>
>> By your own admission (a and b) you demonstrate that driving
>> is a privilege.
>
>By your own admission you demonstrate that you don't know much about
>rights.
Good lord man, if you want to argue semantics you're welcome to, but
I'm not going to. The only time I've heard the rights/privilege
argument was when people were arguing that the state had no business
forbidding people to drive, hence my assumption on the definitions.
Not being an American, the semantics don't mean a lot to me.
The only point that I am attempting to get across is that driving is
not something that everyone can or should be permitted to do.
Classify it as you wish.
Aki
leg over their bike, fired it to life, looked at me and belched:
>In article <kl6h7t4aq4tmdon19...@4ax.com>,
>aki....@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> ..so I'm confused..is the argument that driving is a right and not a
>> privilege?
>
>Correct. It's clearly a right, not a privilege. If you think it's a
>privilege, I suggest you consult a dictionary.
really? If that's so, go ahead and drive without a license..or
a suspended one at that and then plead your case to the judge.
I'd pay to see you make a complete and utter fool of yourself
in court.
>
>> If that's the case, then anyone at any age should be able
>> to drive and short of homicide, should be able to continue to drive
>> regardless of the infraction?
>
>Is voting a right or a privilege? After pondering that question, I'm
>sure you'll see how silly your question is.
apples and oranges...show me where in any amendment, bill of
rights or the Constitution where its says that driving is a right.
>
>> what am I missing?
>
>The point.
>
...so..tell me...just what color *are* the clouds on your planet?
Aki
leg over their bike, fired it to life, looked at me and belched:
>In article <cphh7t02pb7uss7ot...@4ax.com>,
>aki....@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:57:33 -0800, SP <spam...@invalid.org> swung a
>> leg over their bike, fired it to life, looked at me and belched:
>>
>> >In article <kl6h7t4aq4tmdon19...@4ax.com>,
>> >aki....@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>> >
>> >> ..so I'm confused..is the argument that driving is a right and not a
>> >> privilege?
>> >
>> >Correct. It's clearly a right, not a privilege. If you think it's a
>> >privilege, I suggest you consult a dictionary.
>>
>> really?
>
>Yes. Really.
>
>> If that's so, go ahead and drive without a license...or
>> a suspended one at that and then plead your case to the judge.
>> I'd pay to see you make a complete and utter fool of yourself
>> in court.
>
>Okay. You try to vote without registering, then plead your case to the
>judge...claiming it's your right.
>
>> >> If that's the case, then anyone at any age should be able
>> >> to drive and short of homicide, should be able to continue to drive
>> >> regardless of the infraction?
>> >
>> >Is voting a right or a privilege? After pondering that question, I'm
>> >sure you'll see how silly your question is.
>>
>> apples and oranges...show me where in any amendment, bill of
>> rights or the Constitution where its says that driving is a right.
>
>It's rolled into the 14th amendment. Try reading it sometime.
>
>> >> what am I missing?
>> >
>> >The point.
>> >
>>
>> ...so..tell me...just what color *are* the clouds on your planet?
>
><yawn>
>
>- sp
morons like you scare the hell out of me. Claim whatever you want
but the first time your license is revoked and you claim that you have
a "right" to drive you'll be screaming that all the way to jail.
I dealt with idiots like you every day I worked at DMV...and you know
what? They either complied with the law or ended up in jail...so do
whatever you think is your "right"...and the courts will tell you
otherwise...they always have and they always will..
David Jensen
Turnkey <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in
<9599nu$dge$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>
>No the government didn't take it away. It has never been a right. If
>it were a right, you wouldn't need a license (okay, weak arguement). I
>don't know how long you have been driving but I have been since 1947.
>It was explained to me then that it was a priviledge.
That's what they are telling you, and I don't mind the idea of having
qualified folks behind the wheel, but my grandfather was driving before
licenses were invented (depended on the state, but shortly after WWI)
and no one who was a driver at that time had to take a driving test.
Driving should be treated as a right for all skilled and careful
drivers. Licenses should never be taken away for reasons that have
nothing to do with poor driving.
David Jensen
Aki <01d...@my.house> wrote in
<kl6h7t4aq4tmdon19...@4ax.com>:
>..so I'm confused..is the argument that driving is a right and not a
>privilege? If that's the case, then anyone at any age should be able
>to drive and short of homicide, should be able to continue to drive
>regardless of the infraction?
>
>what am I missing?
I think that the problem is that "right, not a privilege" is a fairly
meaningless statement. There are lots of rights that can be
circumscribed. You have the right to become a doctor, but you don't have
the right to claim that you are a doctor if you aren't one.
Joseph Huesmann
>In article <kl6h7t4aq4tmdon19...@4ax.com>,
>aki....@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> privilege?
>
>privilege, I suggest you consult a dictionary.
It's not a right. It's a privilege granted to you by the (state)
government. Voting is a right (also granted by the government), but
voting does not require any level of training. Any moron can vote, as
long as he/she meets the requirements (citizenship, age, etc.). Not any
moron can drive, although it sure seems that way sometimes. As far as
having your driving *privileges* revoked, you're driving on public roads,
so you'd better follow the public's rules--no license, no drive. You're
free to do whatever you like on your own personal private roads, of
course.
Aki
leg over their bike, fired it to life, looked at me and belched:
>In article <h8lh7ts6m9o690ofa...@4ax.com>,
>aki....@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> morons like you scare the hell out of me. Claim whatever you want
>> but the first time your license is revoked and you claim that you have
>> a "right" to drive you'll be screaming that all the way to jail.
>
>What a truly stupid fuck you are.
>
>Just as you can lose your right to vote, you can lose your right to
>drive.
>
>Any person with at least three functioning brain cells knows
>that...which, obviously, leaves you out.
>
>- sp
well count me in the less than three functioning brain cells boys!
Ole "sp" has set me free! Gosh it's so great to have someone so
knowledgable and worldly as this dipshit!
Thank GAWD I have SP right here..TODAY...to clear up issues like
this...who even needs lawyers or judges? Hell we got "sp" right
here to clear things up!
Now...when you're old enough to even *have* a license (or when the
courts reinstate it, whichever comes first)...come on over to Jimmy
G's tavern in Herndon where me and boys will be happy to buy you
a round of your favorite bubbly!
Hell don't wait! Me and the boy's will come pick you up! No need to
wait for the last minute! Oh...and now that you've cleared things up,
some of my buddies that ...uh...weren't allowed to drive, (something
about assault with a deadly weapon and evading arrest..but that's
another story), can now just hop on our hogs and ride over BECAUSE
IT'S OUR RIGHT GOD DAMMIT!
Damn! You made my week! There 'll be a whole lot more of us on
the road this weekend! Swing on by!
mega...@my-deja.com
same info for CO? I'm just curious.
I have similar concerns as you do. What I did, as a "just in case" was
purchase legal insurance plan. Luckily, I haven't had to use it because
of an auto accident, but I've been happy with the other stuff its
helped me with. The little bit of money I pay them each month is worth
the peace of mind to me. There are several plans available in the
marketplace, but the one I have is Pre-Paid Legal Services.
I think you'd be covered in CA, but you'll need to check. The website
I know about for info is: www.prepaidlegal.com/info/epeterson
Thanks, in advance, for info on how to find out the number/% of
uninsured drivers in CO.
In article <9598b1$c8u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Turnkey
You have just defined "priviledge" by including only sckilled etc
drivers. If it were a "right", there could be no conditions attached.
It is a priviledge and one that must be earned. As to when licenses
were required, that has nothing to do with the matter. At one time you
didn't need one for the car either.
Aki
leg over their bike, fired it to life, looked at me and belched:
>In article <b51j7tsju52a75eu2...@4ax.com>,
>aki....@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> well count me in the less than three functioning brain cells boys!
>
>Look, we could tell that by your choice in motorcycles.
>
>- sp
anytime little man that you'd like to discuss this *personally* and
up close I'd be happy to oblige.
Let me know the time and the place and the first (and only) round
will be on me. Everyone is a tough buy when the only thing they
can pound is their keyboard...you want to insult my lifestyle do
it in person like a man...chickenshit
Bruce Linley
>In article <h8lh7ts6m9o690ofa...@4ax.com>,
>aki....@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> morons like you scare the hell out of me. Claim whatever you want
>> but the first time your license is revoked and you claim that you have
>> a "right" to drive you'll be screaming that all the way to jail.
>
>What a truly stupid fuck you are.
>
>Just as you can lose your right to vote, you can lose your right to
>drive.
Are you sure about the former being constitutional? The bans on felons
voting is done on a State by State basis. Don't assume your local laws
on this are universal, you state-elitist. Only 14 of 50 states do this!
Are you *sure* it's right when well under half of states practice this?
See: http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/12/felon.voting/index.html
The gist of the argument is that once felons serve their sentence,
they ought to get their voting rights back.
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>
> Driving should be treated as a right for all skilled and careful
> drivers. Licenses should never be taken away for reasons that have
> nothing to do with poor driving.
May I ask how you intend to find out who the skilled and careful
ones are? Driving tests plus revocation of license are the methods
currently employed. If you want driving to be a right how do you
make sure only skilled and careful individuals are driving?
If you really are a skilled and careful driver you should have
no problem getting and maintaining driving privileges.
Rgds
Chris
Joel Garry
For that matter, you can drive all you want on your own property.
My former neighbors made a motocross track for their 8 year old in their back
yard. Dad and son would be annoying for hours.
There are a lot of private roads nearby, and I've seen kids riding all over
on dirt bikes and go-karts. No helmets, of course. And they get there on
public roads... right past a CHiPpies house.
As far as the tank... there used to be a 76 station on the corner of
Manchester and Sepulveda in LA, that had a street-licensed tank for rent.
It had 6 big rubber tires, but was unmistakeably a tank.
jg
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Joel Garry
>In article <tvvg7t8vo69ibhu2v...@4ax.com>, Brandon
>
>> SP wrote:
>>
>> >In article <m9ng7t4vqs1celjtu...@4ax.com>, Brandon
>> >Sommerville <g...@null.net.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So go ahead and exercise your rights, and then you will be accorded
>> >> the privilege of driving on public roads. What's the problem?
>> >
>> >The problem is that I have paid for those roads and they are on PUBLIC
>> >property. While you may parse the meaning of the words "right" and
>> >"privilege" all day long, we have the right to drive, as long as a) we
>> >don't abuse it and b) we can demonstrate the ability to drive safely.
>> >There's no "privilege" involved. I submit that if you look up the word
>> >"privilege" and examine the meaning, you won't be using that word in
>> >this context any longer.
>>
>> A privilege is something that can be revoked, a right something that
>> cannot.
>
>
>You have a right to vote, but if you're a felon that right is taken
>away. You have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,
Please give a reference for purfuit of happinefs.
>but if you commit a crime you will be incarcerated.
>
>> By your own admission (a and b) you demonstrate that driving
>> is a privilege.
>
>By your own admission you demonstrate that you don't know much about
>rights.
>
>- sp