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From: "Christian Scholz (mrtopf.de)" <tao.taka...@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:09:25 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Jan 14 2008 1:09 pm
Subject: View this page "Use Cases"
Hi!

As I thought it might make sense to define the problem field before we
look for solutioins I posted a list of possible use cases to my blog
yesterday (http://mrtopf.de/blog/web20/use-cases-for-portable-social-
networks/). Chris then asked me to put this on the use case page which
I did now:

http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/web/use-cases

Feel free to add your own problems you like to see solved to that list
so we can then think about ways to work on them (and probably we need
to find a scope for it).

I also now more or less copied it verbatim so feel free to adjust
these use cases accordingly, e.g. to make use of the definitions we
have in place.

For my idea about open social networks, maybe also have a look at

http://mrtopf.de/blog/web20/my-vision-for-open-social-networks/

on which these use cases are based.

Cheers,

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:36:04 -0800 (PST)
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Thanks for your effort :)

On 14 Jan., 19:09, "Christian Scholz (mrtopf.de)"


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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:51:40 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 15 2008 10:51 am
Subject: Discussion sur use-cases
Hi,
Good work but...

You wrote in the beginning: "The data model
The main object is a Person. A Person has a profile and contacts"

But I am a Person but I want 2, 3 or 4 profiles !! Not one !!
1 is for "public business activities"
2 is for "different business activities"
3 is for "private activities"
4 is ...

En example ? I work for a Big Computer Company in the US (Profile 1)
but in the same time I am looking to open a Hotel resort in France
(Profile 2) and I do not to mix the Profiles in a single Profile. And
I do not want a DOUBLE DATAPORTABILITY...
Netviber


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From: "Tao Takashi" <tao.taka...@googlemail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:17:22 +0100
Local: Tues, Jan 15 2008 11:17 am
Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Discussion sur use-cases

On Jan 15, 2008 4:51 PM, Opo <netvi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Good work but...

> You wrote in the beginning: "The data model
> The main object is a Person. A Person has a profile and contacts"

> But I am a Person but I want 2, 3 or 4 profiles !! Not one !!
> 1 is for "public business activities"
> 2 is for "different business activities"
> 3 is for "private activities"
> 4 is ...

Ah, right, actually I want this myself and many people esp. in Second Life
want that, too. I missed this when writing it down so feel free to add the
use cases for that.

And afaik this should also be possible with some OpenID providers, isn't it?

Now I wonder if this has any implications on your contact list. Probably it
would make sense to select per contact or group of contacts a profile to
see. But what happens if you get a contact request? this probably was issued
from one of your profiles and the question might be how to handle this. So
having some use cases to start thinking about all the implications might
indeed be a good thing.

-- Christian

> En example ? I work for a Big Computer Company in the US (Profile 1)
> but in the same time I am looking to open a Hotel resort in France
> (Profile 2) and I do not to mix the Profiles in a single Profile. And
> I do not want a DOUBLE DATAPORTABILITY...
> Netviber

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From: Wayne Anderson <wa...@gocnow.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:12:28 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 15 2008 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: Discussion sur use-cases
Another use case...interaction with objects in real life.  Think about
Microsoft's
Surface technology.  I could blast my portable data from my phone to
a Surface-enabled (or similar tech) table in Las Vegas to have it come
alive
with what I like and give me recommendations on where to go.

On Jan 15, 10:17 am, "Tao Takashi" <tao.taka...@googlemail.com> wrote:


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From: Dan York <dy...@lodestar2.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:10:19 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases

Christian,

On Jan 15, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Tao Takashi wrote:

> And afaik this should also be possible with some OpenID providers,  
> isn't it?

DY> Sure. With all the OpenID providers I am aware of, you can simply  
get another account.  I do this right now, myself. When I go to an  
OpenID-enabled site where I want to login in my "work" context, I can  
use the OpenID URL associated with my employer, http://
blogs.voxeo.com/ , because I've enabled that site to be an OpenID  
provider.  When I want to login to a site in my "personal" context, I  
can use the OpenID URL http://www.danyork.com/ .  In my case, it's  
two sites with which I'm associated, but it could as easily be two  
accounts and an OpenID provider (or from two different OpenID  
providers).  The challenge, of course, is that now I've got two  
different logins, passwords, etc.

DY> In my *ideal* world, though, I would have one digital identity  
but could expose different profiles with different information based  
on the context in which I was connecting.  So something like  
"www.danyork.com/work/" and "www.danyork.com/personal"  or  
"work.danyork.com" or something like that.  I only login once, but  
then can choose (perhaps by the URL I gave) which profile to expose.

> Now I wonder if this has any implications on your contact list.  
> Probably it would make sense to select per contact or group of  
> contacts a profile to see. But what happens if you get a contact  
> request? this probably was issued from one of your profiles and the  
> question might be how to handle this. So having some use cases to  
> start thinking about all the implications might indeed be a good  
> thing.

DY> Yes, I would want to differentiate.  Plaxo makes a start with  
this.  When you get a contact request you can choose whether they are  
Business, Family or Friend.  Each can conceivably see different sets  
of information about you. (I'm not sure how far Plaxo takes this.)  
But yes, I would want to designate the profile someone sees.  (And  
would want an arbitrary number of profiles because while I may only  
want two, others may only want one and others may want five.)

My 2 cents,
Dan

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From: "Tao Takashi" <tao.taka...@googlemail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:32:13 +0100
Local: Tues, Jan 15 2008 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases

That would be my idea, too. But then it gets difficult to identify you on
other websites. Take Second Life: Many people do not want to reveal who they
are in Real Life so this would mean for them that they might need different
OpenIDs because these are right now the most discussed candidates for
identification. In the SL Architecture Working Group there also was some
talk about this regarding using different alt accounts with one login.
In-world you would show up as the choose alt avatar. This is the same for
many games such as Battlefield or Tabula Rasa (although in the latter they
all have the same lastname).

Now I wonder if this has any implications on your contact list. Probably it
would make sense to select per contact or group of contacts a profile to
see. But what happens if you get a contact request? this probably was issued
from one of your profiles and the question might be how to handle this. So
having some use cases to start thinking about all the implications might
indeed be a good thing.

DY> Yes, I would want to differentiate.  Plaxo makes a start with this.

> When you get a contact request you can choose whether they are Business,
> Family or Friend.  Each can conceivably see different sets of information
> about you. (I'm not sure how far Plaxo takes this.) But yes, I would want to
> designate the profile someone sees.  (And would want an arbitrary number of
> profiles because while I may only want two, others may only want one and
> others may want five.)

True. So I think I need to draw some diagram soon to get my thoughts clear
on that ;-) But what we would have is:

- one login
- multiple profiles / identities
- each profile has a contact list attached. If somebody sees this identity
on a website (say Facebook) they can only see the (public) contacts of that
identity
- on each profile I can define which parts are visible to which group of
people (or individual). Groups can be family, friends, enemies etc.

Some questions on this:

- should it be possible to define on which social networks I want to show up
as a contact? E.g. Joe has me as a contact and says his contacts are all
publically visible. Now I don't want this, even my name is secret. Should I
be able to prevent this?
- can the one login, multiple identities be done on the OpenID provider
side? I guess so unless the OpenID is actually used for identification.

I thought I have more but that's it for late evening ;-)

What do you think?

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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:41:38 -0500
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Subject: RE: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases

In the Higgins project this is exactly the approach we're taking. One OpenID
with multiple profiles "underneath."

[In Higgins these profiles are called i-cards and there's an open source
browser-integrated app called an identity selector that let's you edit them,
share them with others, synchronize them with silos like Facebook, HR
directories, etc.]

-Paul

Dan York wrote:

<snip>

DY> In my *ideal* world, though, I would have one digital identity but could
expose different profiles with different information based on the context in
which I was connecting.  So something like "www.danyork.com/work/" and
"www.danyork.com/personal"  or "work.danyork.com" or something like that.  I
only login once, but then can choose (perhaps by the URL I gave) which
profile to expose.

<snip>


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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:58:44 -0500
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Subject: RE: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases

Takashi wrote:

<snip>

DY> In my *ideal* world, though, I would have one digital identity but could
expose different profiles with different information based on the context in
which I was connecting.  So something like " www.danyork.com/work/" and
"www.danyork.com/personal"  or " work.danyork.com <http://work.danyork.com>
" or something like that.  I only login once, but then can choose (perhaps
by the URL I gave) which profile to expose.

That would be my idea, too. But then it gets difficult to identify you on
other websites.

Take Second Life: Many people do not want to reveal who they are in Real
Life so this would mean for them that they might need different OpenIDs
because these are right now the most discussed candidates for
identification. In the SL Architecture Working Group there also was some
talk about this regarding using different alt accounts with one login.
In-world you would show up as the choose alt avatar. This is the same for
many games such as Battlefield or Tabula Rasa (although in the latter they
all have the same lastname).

This problem is solved by using a particular kind of OpenID, namely,
i-names. They are based on XRIs that can be resolved in such a way that they
drill into the SL silo and identify a particular alt in SL. I've had a
number of conversations with the previous CTO of SL about this. It is all
doable.

<snip>

-Paul


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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:00:10 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Discussion sur use-cases
To me that's what data *portability* is about: porting information
from one place to another...

I'd say "identity" is a term that relates to a "place", ie a website
(or a group, as with MS Passport) where I maintain some profile data.

I have several identities/profiles as in, say:
 - work
 - family
 - friends
 - camera club

There might be a lot of overlap in there too: I might be working with
my brother, for example.
I want to manage this complexity, and this will be the main
attractiveness of DataPortability to general users: a central
repository from where they can sync their various profiles.

This should apply to my contacts too: if I happen to know of two
identities of a contact, I should be able to make the connection in my
contacts list.

What do we have?
- My Data repository : things that people should know about me, based
on relationship with me.
- My contexts : for each identity, a relationship level (so DP can
sync the data that makes sense to)
- My contacts : id, relationship level, and list of identities (so DP
can merge data from known identities)

This way, viewed from my DP repository, I have a synthetic view of the
information I share and also, for each contact, a synthetic view of
the all the information I'm made aware of.
The tricky bit is in making "relationship levels" management flexible
enough while staying at the no-brainer level...

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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:17:02 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Discussion sur use-cases
My personal take in the interest of simplicity it might be best leave
the functionality of 'Identity Profiles' to multiple OpenID accounts.

I think this is separate and distinct issue from 'Relationship Types'.
Consider that if XFN is going to be our recommended file format for a
list of friends (is it?) , the rel attribute seems to be fairly
flexible, almost like tags.

The question then is how to apply permissions to the tags?

This is probably going to open a can of worms with FOAF vs XFN. But
that should probably be another thread!

Chris

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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:54:16 -0600
Local: Wed, Jan 16 2008 6:54 am
Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases

Hi All

I have been reading from the sidelines and thought it was time to join in. I
am a Technical Architect with Target Corp. I have an interest in Social
Software and Service based applications. I have a backround in CRM and
Integration. I have done work in the areas you have been discussing
regarding profiles and user ids.

I am finding the discussion very interesting.

Some questions on this:
- should it be possible to define on which social networks I want to show up
as a contact? E.g. Joe has me as a contact and says his contacts are all
publically visible. Now I don't want this, even my name is secret. Should I
be able to prevent this?

I believe this is very important. No one should be able to publish my
information unless I give them permission to do so. At a minimum this should
be at the profile level, but it might be nice to be more granular. So I
control what information of mine others can publish.

- can the one login, multiple identities be done on the OpenID provider
side? I guess so unless the OpenID is actually used for identification.

I have not done alot with OpenID but I'm getting into the details. I like
the Idea of multiple profiles with multiple permission settings. It might be
nice when exploring new sites to use a shell profile with minimal
information. Then be able to switch which profile your using once you decide
to pursue the site further.

Regards

Sal


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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:25:37 +0100
Local: Wed, Jan 16 2008 7:25 am
Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases

On Jan 16, 2008 12:17 PM, Chris Saad <chris.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My personal take in the interest of simplicity it might be best leave
> the functionality of 'Identity Profiles' to multiple OpenID accounts.

> I think this is separate and distinct issue from 'Relationship Types'.
> Consider that if XFN is going to be our recommended file format for a
> list of friends (is it?) , the rel attribute seems to be fairly
> flexible, almost like tags.

But aren't the tags in XFN fixed? I would go more for a folksonomy here as I
might have different tags than you have. Not sure about which format to use
though. XFN seems to me more like a way to mark up things which are on a
human readable web page anyway. In our case we might not need the human
readable part that much so it also could be FOAF probably. Maybe it also
doesn't matter, both formats are more or less easily produced and parsed.

The question then is how to apply permissions to the tags?


Here the question is if these tags and permissions really need to be
exposed. It depends on how data portability actually should work. Should
Social Network (SN) X simply contact my profile repository (with
identification of course so I know who of my contacts is requesting data) my
repository could simply just return that data I want to have exported to
that contact. So it would be implementation specific and the implementation
could create groups or tags as it wishes.
Of course it's different if we say that this data also needs to be
exportable to a different repository (which we probably should say ;-) ).

This is probably going to open a can of worms with FOAF vs XFN. But

> that should probably be another thread!

Ok, please somebody open another thread of cou want to comment on my comment
above ;-)

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From: "Tao Takashi" <tao.taka...@googlemail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:30:52 +0100
Local: Wed, Jan 16 2008 7:30 am
Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases

On Jan 16, 2008 12:54 PM, Sal DiStefano <sal.distef...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some questions on this:
> - should it be possible to define on which social networks I want to show
> up as a contact? E.g. Joe has me as a contact and says his contacts are
> all publically visible. Now I don't want this, even my name is secret.
> Should I be able to prevent this?

> I believe this is very important. No one should be able to publish my
> information unless I give them permission to do so. At a minimum this should
> be at the profile level, but it might be nice to be more granular. So I
> control what information of mine others can publish.

I had another issue actually when listening to FIR 309 (
http://www.forimmediaterelease.biz/index.php?/weblog/the_hobson_holtz...)
where they again talk about the Scoble/Facebook issue.

The main statement by some students was probably "Friends don't scrape
friends" which hints that maybe another permission might be needed to define
if it is allowed to export that data (or which part of that data).

So this would mean that indeed the social network requesting data also needs
to know about the permissions. And here I am not sure if this can be done
with existing standards. Or will we go the simple route and just say all or
nothing for each contact?

PS: I discussed this topic a bit more on my blog related to what rights
users should have on social networks:
http://mrtopf.de/blog/web20/user-rights-on-social-networks/

-- Christian

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From: Frederick Giasson <f...@fgiasson.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:59:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases
Hi,

I will re-ask one of my previous questions:

> I'd say "identity" is a term that relates to a "place", ie a website
> (or a group, as with MS Passport) where I maintain some profile data.

Is DP really just about managing users and people profiles?

Fred


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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:08:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases
Hi Chris
> This is probably going to open a can of worms with FOAF vs XFN. But
> that should probably be another thread!

FOAF vs XFN, and then RDF vs Microformats, and then ..... It is really
about what one try to archive. But the question then become: why such
versus fights?

Personally I have no problem with microformats: I convert all of them in
RDF using some related ontologies and then I start using the data. So,
why FOAF vs XFN? I am really not sure it is the kind of things that
should start here, it would be too unproductive for the benefits of
this. If I put FOAF data using RDFa in my xhtml, then one can convert it
in microformat if he prefers this. I don't care.

Personally I prefer having has much flexibility as possible when come
the time to manipulate data. But who I am to say what my fellow prefers?

Salutations,

Fred


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Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases
DP has many areas of concern depending on your perspective. It's not just about any one of these thing but how each of them can effect the other.

Sal


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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:02:01 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Discussion sur use-cases
How about a separate table with 3 or 4 or maybe 5 level of privacy
where the user can define the level of privacy:

You could then pick your level of privacy you want when registering to
a new network while keeping the same user ID but use different
nicknames. That still saves you to enter all the same information
again and again. It is just a basic data normalization process. You
can then move your data around and just select the level of privacy.

It is a fact that 75% of you associates will have moved around in the
next 3 years or so. While they might or might not stay in the same
context you originally met with them, they might or might not stay in
touch while you wish you would.

I will work at developing a model and hopefuly within a week I will
share with you.

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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:54:07 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases
Hi Sal,

> DP has many areas of concern depending on your perspective. It's not just about any one of these thing but how each of them can effect the other.

Exactly what I wanted to ear. However, this mean one thing: the
exploration process will have to be defined (because I think that it is
really what people are doing atm: exploring). So, will the exploration
will be bottom-up or top-down? What defines the exploration process: to
domains of explorations (rights, permissions, sharing, discovery,
accessibility, etc). And so on. The group can fire at all directions,
but some plans will have to be written sooner then later.

Take care,

Fred


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Subject: Re: Discussion sur use-cases
Agreed Frederick - it's almost like we need a curator to information
architect the pages and fill them in as consensus is reached - and
change them as improvements are suggested.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:43:24 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Discussion sur use-cases

Frederick and Chris -

Perhaps the curator function would be a good use of the new Evangelist
Action Group.  I see the clear formalization and articulation of ideas
like this as being core to that mission.

Basically, the easier it is for new folks to get up to speed with the
current state, the more effectively the DP concepts will be adopted.

I'll ping the other members and see what they think about taking this
on.

One brick at a time,
Trent

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From: Frederick Giasson <f...@fgiasson.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:30:56 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: Discussion sur use-cases
Hi Trent,
> Perhaps the curator function would be a good use of the new Evangelist
> Action Group.  I see the clear formalization and articulation of ideas
> like this as being core to that mission.

Certainly.

> Basically, the easier it is for new folks to get up to speed with the
> current state, the more effectively the DP concepts will be adopted.

No doubts about that. Political campaigns are win with one, easy to
understand, sentence. Bill Clinton's was, what, "It's economy, stupid"?

People understood what it means, at that time, given what was happening
in the USA in 1992. Then he won the presidential.

So yeah, you are right.

> I'll ping the other members and see what they think about taking this
> on.

Keep the mailing list updated then.

Take care,

Fred


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From: Julian Bond <julian_b...@voidstar.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:06:22 +0000
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Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] View this page "Use Cases"
"Christian Scholz (mrtopf.de)" <tao.taka...@googlemail.com> Mon, 14 Jan
2008 10:09:25

>As I thought it might make sense to define the problem field before we
>look for solutioins I posted a list of possible use cases to my blog
>yesterday (http://mrtopf.de/blog/web20/use-cases-for-portable-social-
>networks/). Chris then asked me to put this on the use case page which
>I did now:

>http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/web/use-cases

I've just been doing some work on expanding and clarifying parts of
this. I came across this statement.

"your social graph should only be stored centrally on one server"

Excuse me, but that is just never going to work, is it? The problem is
that several of the subsequent use cases seem to assume that this is
actually intended. So stripping it out or changing it means changing the
sense of several of the following cases.

This is pretty core to what we mean by DataPortability when it's applied
to profiles and contact lists (CL). So it really needs to be thrashed
out.

What I can imagine, is that websites emerge (like say, Plaxo) who's
business goal is managing social graphs for people. I can also imagine
open source libraries or applications that people could run to do this
themselves, somewhat in the style of OpenID. So perhaps what was
actually meant here was that some code could be created to aggregate
your personal Contact List. In other words take a copy of all the CLs on
all the social web sites you belong to and merge it into one. But you're
never going to be able to stop Social websites from building their own
private social graphs of their members.

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From: "J. Trent Adams" <jtrentad...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:04:12 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: View this page "Use Cases"

Anyone have any objection to my going through and breaking out each
suggested Use Case as a separate page as a hierarchy under the current
single page?

My thinking here is that the current page becomes a Table of Contents
describing the overall info, then linking to each of it's "Use Case"
children.  These pages, then would describe a separate case.

Basically, this should help us discuss them individually, and also
reference them as needed within the rest of the discussions and
Technical Blueprints (eg. which Use Case they're addressing, etc.)

Suggestions or violent decent?

- Trent


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From: Julian Bond <julian_b...@voidstar.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:40:19 +0000
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Subject: Re: [DataPortability-Public] Re: View this page "Use Cases"
J. Trent Adams <jtrentad...@gmail.com> Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:04:12

>Anyone have any objection to my going through and breaking out each
>suggested Use Case as a separate page as a hierarchy under the current
>single page?

>My thinking here is that the current page becomes a Table of Contents
>describing the overall info, then linking to each of it's "Use Case"
>children.  These pages, then would describe a separate case.

Go for it. One thought though, the big long list of pages on the main
page is going to become unmanageable. Perhaps we need to break out
groups of them into the associated Action group pages.

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