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Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon
Dec 1, 2009, 8:44:11 PM12/1/09
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Greetings all.
I just received an email from the city inviting me to attend an
information session to be given in the next few weeks prior to the
release of the open data policy as well as the soft launch in the
first quarter of 2010.
To this end, are there any issues, topic areas, specific questions, or
perspectives that you would like to see covered, clarified, asked or
added to the agenda?
Feel free to post here and/or email me - amcg...@storm.ca
I am currently re-reading David Eaves' blog re: posts specific to open
data, reviewing all webcasts and materials from the Innovation Toronto
conference and any materials that can be Googled from the Changecamps
that have happened in Canada. I will also fast track my review of
other cities who have already implemented an open data initiative.
Have I missed anything?
Best.
AMc
I just received an email from the city inviting me to attend an
information session to be given in the next few weeks prior to the
release of the open data policy as well as the soft launch in the
first quarter of 2010.
To this end, are there any issues, topic areas, specific questions, or
perspectives that you would like to see covered, clarified, asked or
added to the agenda?
Feel free to post here and/or email me - amcg...@storm.ca
I am currently re-reading David Eaves' blog re: posts specific to open
data, reviewing all webcasts and materials from the Innovation Toronto
conference and any materials that can be Googled from the Changecamps
that have happened in Canada. I will also fast track my review of
other cities who have already implemented an open data initiative.
Have I missed anything?
Best.
AMc
Tracey.P.Lauriault
Dec 1, 2009, 9:50:39 PM12/1/09
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Civicaccess.ca has had numerous discussion on this topic.
Geogratis and GeoBase are freedata organizations at the federal
government level and have been for more than a decade. The Atlas of
Canada was the first national open source web atlas, and the Feds at
NRCan have been building our geospatial data infrastructure using open
standards. Their unrestricted user license is ground breaking in
Canada (http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/licence.jsp) and I believe
can be adopted by the City. These are the solid research and
documents from whence it came - Version 2 of The Dissemination of
Government Geographic Data in Canada - Guide to Best Practices
http://www.geoconnections.org/publications/Best_practices_guide/Guide_to_Best_Practices_Summer_2008_Final_EN.pdf.
Recently, the GEOSS developed the following: *Toward Implementation of
the Global Earth Observation System of Systems Data Sharing
Principles*, by Paul F. Uhlir, Robert S. Chen, Joanne Irene,
Gabrynowicz & Katleen Janssen
http://www.spacelaw.olemiss.edu/JSL/articles/35JSL201.pdf
In discussion with data librarians, there is a sentiment that city
open data are being shared missing metadata, in the case of geodata
missing projections, and context for the datasets. I am awaiting
information from a U of T librarian who has been instrumental in this
topic to share his observations. I believe it is important to include
some specialists, especially data librarians who have been liberating
data for a long time and who have developed good practices.
I really like David Eaves' work, except for an interview I just read
where he states that with citizen access to public data the need for
journalists will disappear. I greatly disagree, we need well
resourced investigative journalism more than ever. As we cannot
expect the public sector to cover issues beyond their immediate
mandates, nor can we expect business to do beyond its plan, we cannot
expect citizens to cover all issues in a deep way, we also need the
third sector and we need academics, and we need funding.
Also, I believe that David Fewer at CIPPIC is working on open data and
I have just recently heard they have people looking at geodata.
Cheers
Tracey
On 1 déc, 20:44, "Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon" <amcgib...@storm.ca> wrote:
> Greetings all.
>
> I just received an email from the city inviting me to attend an
> information session to be given in the next few weeks prior to the
> release of the open data policy as well as the soft launch in the
> first quarter of 2010.
>
> To this end, are there any issues, topic areas, specific questions, or
> perspectives that you would like to see covered, clarified, asked or
> added to the agenda?
>
> Feel free to post here and/or email me - amcgib...@storm.ca
Geogratis and GeoBase are freedata organizations at the federal
government level and have been for more than a decade. The Atlas of
Canada was the first national open source web atlas, and the Feds at
NRCan have been building our geospatial data infrastructure using open
standards. Their unrestricted user license is ground breaking in
Canada (http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/licence.jsp) and I believe
can be adopted by the City. These are the solid research and
documents from whence it came - Version 2 of The Dissemination of
Government Geographic Data in Canada - Guide to Best Practices
http://www.geoconnections.org/publications/Best_practices_guide/Guide_to_Best_Practices_Summer_2008_Final_EN.pdf.
Recently, the GEOSS developed the following: *Toward Implementation of
the Global Earth Observation System of Systems Data Sharing
Principles*, by Paul F. Uhlir, Robert S. Chen, Joanne Irene,
Gabrynowicz & Katleen Janssen
http://www.spacelaw.olemiss.edu/JSL/articles/35JSL201.pdf
In discussion with data librarians, there is a sentiment that city
open data are being shared missing metadata, in the case of geodata
missing projections, and context for the datasets. I am awaiting
information from a U of T librarian who has been instrumental in this
topic to share his observations. I believe it is important to include
some specialists, especially data librarians who have been liberating
data for a long time and who have developed good practices.
I really like David Eaves' work, except for an interview I just read
where he states that with citizen access to public data the need for
journalists will disappear. I greatly disagree, we need well
resourced investigative journalism more than ever. As we cannot
expect the public sector to cover issues beyond their immediate
mandates, nor can we expect business to do beyond its plan, we cannot
expect citizens to cover all issues in a deep way, we also need the
third sector and we need academics, and we need funding.
Also, I believe that David Fewer at CIPPIC is working on open data and
I have just recently heard they have people looking at geodata.
Cheers
Tracey
On 1 déc, 20:44, "Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon" <amcgib...@storm.ca> wrote:
> Greetings all.
>
> I just received an email from the city inviting me to attend an
> information session to be given in the next few weeks prior to the
> release of the open data policy as well as the soft launch in the
> first quarter of 2010.
>
> To this end, are there any issues, topic areas, specific questions, or
> perspectives that you would like to see covered, clarified, asked or
> added to the agenda?
>
Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon
Dec 2, 2009, 7:25:27 AM12/2/09
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Thanks for your reply Tracey.
I am subscribed to the civicaccess list and planned to review the
posts, but you have provided a great post.
I'l be sure to follow-up with any questions that I may have.
Thank you.
AMc
On Dec 1, 9:50 pm, "Tracey.P.Lauriault" <tlaur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Civicaccess.ca has had numerous discussion on this topic.
>
> Geogratis and GeoBase are freedata organizations at the federal
> government level and have been for more than a decade. The Atlas of
> Canada was the first national open source web atlas, and the Feds at
> NRCan have been building our geospatial data infrastructure using open
> standards. Their unrestricted user license is ground breaking in
> Canada (http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/licence.jsp) and I believe
> can be adopted by the City. These are the solid research and
> documents from whence it came - Version 2 of The Dissemination of
> Government Geographic Data in Canada - Guide to Best Practiceshttp://www.geoconnections.org/publications/Best_practices_guide/Guide....
I am subscribed to the civicaccess list and planned to review the
posts, but you have provided a great post.
I'l be sure to follow-up with any questions that I may have.
Thank you.
AMc
On Dec 1, 9:50 pm, "Tracey.P.Lauriault" <tlaur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Civicaccess.ca has had numerous discussion on this topic.
>
> Geogratis and GeoBase are freedata organizations at the federal
> government level and have been for more than a decade. The Atlas of
> Canada was the first national open source web atlas, and the Feds at
> NRCan have been building our geospatial data infrastructure using open
> standards. Their unrestricted user license is ground breaking in
> Canada (http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/licence.jsp) and I believe
> can be adopted by the City. These are the solid research and
> documents from whence it came - Version 2 of The Dissemination of
>
> Recently, the GEOSS developed the following: *Toward Implementation of
> the Global Earth Observation System of Systems Data Sharing
> Principles*, by Paul F. Uhlir, Robert S. Chen, Joanne Irene,
> Gabrynowicz & Katleen Janssenhttp://www.spacelaw.olemiss.edu/JSL/articles/35JSL201.pdf
> Recently, the GEOSS developed the following: *Toward Implementation of
> the Global Earth Observation System of Systems Data Sharing
> Principles*, by Paul F. Uhlir, Robert S. Chen, Joanne Irene,
Cameron
Dec 2, 2009, 10:37:38 PM12/2/09
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As founder, I can speak well to the GeoGratis initiative, its roots,
it success (as a person, not an employee). You should be able to
obtain statistics from GeoGratis via their email. At the city level
open data is critically important. Why? One example is that land use
proposals (or any proposal for that matter) can be debated in terms of
values and priorities instead of facts. OpenData allows all
participants equal access to the same data pools in a manner analogous
to lawyers in a court case. What is debated is interpretation.
Also refer to http://delicious.com/tag/opendata
Keep in mind opendata is a trendy term right now, spurned by the
tipping point of Obama and web2.0 marketing. Overall this is a good
thing. The 'but' is that there are existing rich sources of data that
have not been indexed with the opendata tag and hence may not be as
easy to find to bolster arguments.
The purpose of government data is to enable others to build, to
explore, to prosper. See my more focused tags at http://delicious.com/gmanottawa/oppopp,
in particular "Freedom to Tinker..." article and "Imagining 2017: Our
Next Great Year : Reinventing public consultation" video. This would
be a great 150 Canada anniversary project for 2017. Why not now?
Well a lot can be done now, but perhaps not 100% well done. Some of
the city initiatives are great, but don't poke around the hood too
much...otherwise you will find duct tape...
Best,
Cameron
As Tracey notes, The Dissemination of Government Geographic Data in
Canada is an excellent resource too.
On Dec 2, 7:25 am, "Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon" <amcgib...@storm.ca>
it success (as a person, not an employee). You should be able to
obtain statistics from GeoGratis via their email. At the city level
open data is critically important. Why? One example is that land use
proposals (or any proposal for that matter) can be debated in terms of
values and priorities instead of facts. OpenData allows all
participants equal access to the same data pools in a manner analogous
to lawyers in a court case. What is debated is interpretation.
Also refer to http://delicious.com/tag/opendata
Keep in mind opendata is a trendy term right now, spurned by the
tipping point of Obama and web2.0 marketing. Overall this is a good
thing. The 'but' is that there are existing rich sources of data that
have not been indexed with the opendata tag and hence may not be as
easy to find to bolster arguments.
The purpose of government data is to enable others to build, to
explore, to prosper. See my more focused tags at http://delicious.com/gmanottawa/oppopp,
in particular "Freedom to Tinker..." article and "Imagining 2017: Our
Next Great Year : Reinventing public consultation" video. This would
be a great 150 Canada anniversary project for 2017. Why not now?
Well a lot can be done now, but perhaps not 100% well done. Some of
the city initiatives are great, but don't poke around the hood too
much...otherwise you will find duct tape...
Best,
Cameron
As Tracey notes, The Dissemination of Government Geographic Data in
Canada is an excellent resource too.
On Dec 2, 7:25 am, "Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon" <amcgib...@storm.ca>
Cameron
Dec 2, 2009, 10:40:11 PM12/2/09
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Also refer to http://web2maps.wordpress.com for some definitions that
may help..
..Cameron
On Dec 2, 10:37 pm, Cameron <gmanott...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As founder, I can speak well to the GeoGratis initiative, its roots,
> it success (as a person, not an employee). You should be able to
> obtain statistics from GeoGratis via their email. At the city level
> open data is critically important. Why? One example is that land use
> proposals (or any proposal for that matter) can be debated in terms of
> values and priorities instead of facts. OpenData allows all
> participants equal access to the same data pools in a manner analogous
> to lawyers in a court case. What is debated is interpretation.
>
> Also refer tohttp://delicious.com/tag/opendata
may help..
..Cameron
On Dec 2, 10:37 pm, Cameron <gmanott...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As founder, I can speak well to the GeoGratis initiative, its roots,
> it success (as a person, not an employee). You should be able to
> obtain statistics from GeoGratis via their email. At the city level
> open data is critically important. Why? One example is that land use
> proposals (or any proposal for that matter) can be debated in terms of
> values and priorities instead of facts. OpenData allows all
> participants equal access to the same data pools in a manner analogous
> to lawyers in a court case. What is debated is interpretation.
>
>
> Keep in mind opendata is a trendy term right now, spurned by the
> tipping point of Obama and web2.0 marketing. Overall this is a good
> thing. The 'but' is that there are existing rich sources of data that
> have not been indexed with the opendata tag and hence may not be as
> easy to find to bolster arguments.
>
> The purpose of government data is to enable others to build, to
> explore, to prosper. See my more focused tags athttp://delicious.com/gmanottawa/oppopp,
> Keep in mind opendata is a trendy term right now, spurned by the
> tipping point of Obama and web2.0 marketing. Overall this is a good
> thing. The 'but' is that there are existing rich sources of data that
> have not been indexed with the opendata tag and hence may not be as
> easy to find to bolster arguments.
>
> The purpose of government data is to enable others to build, to
Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon
Dec 4, 2009, 12:55:51 PM12/4/09
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Many, many thanks for these references.
Although I may be a research geek, this type of data is not my area of
specialty. I now have a much greater appreciation for the level of
access that I have to Stat. Can data.
I am working my way through all of the suggested content and am
feeling even more pumped about the upcoming information session.
Many thanks for the information.
Best.
AMc
Although I may be a research geek, this type of data is not my area of
specialty. I now have a much greater appreciation for the level of
access that I have to Stat. Can data.
I am working my way through all of the suggested content and am
feeling even more pumped about the upcoming information session.
Many thanks for the information.
Best.
AMc
Tracey P. Lauriault
Dec 4, 2009, 1:00:25 PM12/4/09
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Can you provide details to what you mean in terms level of access to statcan data?
Cheers
t--
Tracey P. Lauriault
613-234-2805
https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
Cheers
t
Tracey P. Lauriault
613-234-2805
https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon
Dec 4, 2009, 1:59:12 PM12/4/09
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I work for the federal government as a researcher. Given my role, I
have access to stat. can. data in order to do my job (i.e. research).
On Dec 4, 1:00 pm, "Tracey P. Lauriault" <tlaur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you provide details to what you mean in terms level of access to statcan
> data?
>
> Cheers
> t
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon
> <amcgib...@storm.ca>wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
have access to stat. can. data in order to do my job (i.e. research).
On Dec 4, 1:00 pm, "Tracey P. Lauriault" <tlaur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you provide details to what you mean in terms level of access to statcan
> data?
>
> Cheers
> t
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Aubrie (Abby) McGibbon
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > Many, many thanks for these references.
>
> > Although I may be a research geek, this type of data is not my area of
> > specialty. I now have a much greater appreciation for the level of
> > access that I have to Stat. Can data.
>
> > I am working my way through all of the suggested content and am
> > feeling even more pumped about the upcoming information session.
>
> > Many thanks for the information.
>
> > Best.
> > AMc
>
> --
> Tracey P. Lauriault
> 613-234-2805https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault- Hide quoted text -
>
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>
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> > Many, many thanks for these references.
>
> > Although I may be a research geek, this type of data is not my area of
> > specialty. I now have a much greater appreciation for the level of
> > access that I have to Stat. Can data.
>
> > I am working my way through all of the suggested content and am
> > feeling even more pumped about the upcoming information session.
>
> > Many thanks for the information.
>
> > Best.
> > AMc
>
> --
> Tracey P. Lauriault
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tracey P. Lauriault
Dec 4, 2009, 4:48:41 PM12/4/09
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I see! You know that is privileged access then and that someone in your unit had to purchase those data under cost recovery from statistics canada!
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