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In this issue:
DBUG> Agenda for May 30th DBUG Meeting at GSD Assoc.
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> Re: the Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> DataCAD user friendliness
DBUG> Free DataCAD
DBUG> Cloud
DBUG> Re Win7 issues.
DBUG> Re cabinets
DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: DataCAD user friendliness
DBUG> Oftopic - New CYA note
DBUG> Sidenote on handyman calculator.
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
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From: Greg Smith <gsm...@gsd-assoc.com>
Date: May 23, 9:16 am
Subject: DBUG> Agenda for May 30th DBUG Meeting at GSD Assoc.
Agenda for May 30th DBUG Meeting at GSD Assoc.
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012
Time: 6:00 pm
Where: GSD Associates
146 Main St.
North Andover, MA 01845
978-688-5422
Directions Below or click here: for Google Maps Link to
Directionshttp://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=gsd+associates&fb=1&gl=us...
Host: Gregory Smith & Staff
RSVP to GSD Associates <gsm...@gsd-assoc.com>
NOTE: Program will qualify for 3 units of AIA (HSW/SD!) or Mass.
Continuing Education Credits
* Light Dinner Refreshments ($5 Donation) / Reception & Hobnobbing
* ENERGY STAR FOR HOMES V3.1 CHECKLIST - ENERGY USE AND AIR QUALITY
by Greg Smith
A primer on the various issues and factors in analyzing energy use and
air quality in a buildings. Review of some very informative websites
for design Guides, personal training, and Free Continuing Ed credit
courses (HSW)
* ENERGY ANALYSIS TAKEOFFS
by Anthony N'gan'ga
We will show you how to preparing a Energy Analysis of a simple
Building, using DataCAD and Takeoffs for reporting in various
programs.
* USING eQUEST
by Janne Kairento
A sample commercial building using DataCAD/AutoCAD/SketchUp will then
be analyzed using the free eQUEST program for professional analysis
and reports.
April Meeting Notes & Handouts at
<http://www.architects.org/committees/news/meeting-notes-
april-24-2012...>
For More Info on DBUG, please see
<http://www.architects.org/committees/datacad-boston-users-group>
DIRECTIONS:
FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE (FROM RT. 93)
From NH
Take Rt. 93 South to Rt. 213 just over the Massachusetts
Boarder. Take Rt. 213 to Rt. 495 Southbound Rt 495 Southbound towards
Lawrence, MA
Take Rt. 495 to exit #44 & #43 Merrimack Street and Massachusetts Ave.
Go down the ramp and go on the lower deck of the bridge. Stay in the
right hand lane as you will exit immediately after the bridge. Take
the Merrimack / Sutton St exit to the right.
Go down the ramp and make a left this road turns into Sutton St.
Go under the highway and accross the railroad tracks. At the first
light make a right onto Main Street. There is a Richdale's at this
intersection.
Follow directions " In North Andover" below
FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE OR MASSACHUSETTS (FROM RT. 3)
Rt 3 from Nashua South or From South of Lowell Rt. 3 North to Rt. 495
North
Rt 495 Northbound towards Lawrence, MA
Go past Rt 93 on 495 to exit #43 Massachusetts Ave.
Go to end of ramp and make a right onto Mass ave.
Go Approximately 0.2 miles and make a hard left at Waverly St. There
is a light at this intersection.
Go down the street until it ends at Main Street and make a right.
Follow directions " In North Andover" below
FROM BOSTON (From Rt. 93)
North on Rt 93 from Boston to Rt. 495 North
Rt 495 Northbound towards Lawrence, MA
On Rt. 495 to exit #43 Massachusetts Ave.
Go to end of ramp and make a right onto Mass ave.
Go Approximately 0.2 miles and make a hard left at Waverly St. There
is a light at this intersection.
Go down the street until it ends at Main Street and make a right
Follow directions " In North Andover" below
FROM NORTH SHORE - DANVERS & SALEM AREA (From Rt. 114)
Take Rt. 114 towards North Andover.
In North Andover at the intersection of Rt 114 and Rt. 125 (after
Merrimack College) take a right onto Rt 125 and follow a mile or so to
the light at the North Andover Middle School (on the left). Make a
left at this light by Sals Pizza onto Main Street.Follow this road
into the downtown area of North Andover
After the Bank Boston Building on the right is a small access road to
Sutton Pond Condominiums Make a right at this access road there is a
grey 2 story building at the corner with a Sports shop and a small
Hardware store. (If you Go by the Town Hall and Fire department and
the Messina's Shopping plaza, you have gone too far.)
There is a sign on the side of the Grey Building that reads "Sutton
Pond" There is also a Parking Sign "P". make a right at this access
road
it leads to 146 & 148 Main St. Stay to the right of the Stone "Sutton
Pond" Sign and park in the lot immediately to the left after the sign.
Walk a short distance along the access road along the pond dam to the
building on the left hand side. There is a sign at the front of the
building.
IN NORTH ANDOVER
Go into Town, a small shopping center "Messina's Plaza" is on the
right.
Go just past this shopping center and on the left hand side of the
road after the town hall and fire department is an access road. There
is a sign on the side of the building that reads "Sutton Pond" There
is also a Parking Sign "P". make a left at this access road it leads
to 146 & 148 Main St. Stay to the right of the Stone "Sutton Pond"
Sign and park in the lot immediately to the left after the sign.
Walk a short distance along the access road along the pond dam to the
building on the left hand side. There is a sign at the front of the
building. We will be meeting in the conference room at the entrance
level.
NOTE: Do not cross over the wooden bridge and park in the Numbered
Condominium Parking spaces or they will tow your car.
See you there!
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
That was a rhetorical question, I did not need or want an answer. The
fact is, I already know the answer. But thanks anyway.
> --Why do so many people use Autocad?--
>
> Simple when they went after copyright violators, they went after companies and pretty much every drafting student that had a PC had a pirate copy for free that they didn't care about. So later on that becomes the program that they want to use at work which pays for it. At the that time AutoCAD had no copy protection and there wasn't CAD classes in school. In 1986 if you had a PC you were a beginner and computer classes were still time sharing, main frame based
>
> Yeah, why not give it away with certain limitations. That's what everyone else does. Then you may, in the future, end up with more paying customers. It's a long term marketing thing and it has worked well for many small companies that later became large. It' not like they would be losing money for something they aren't going to sell anyhow.
>
> When DataCAD's current user base all dies off or retires, who is going to buy from them when no one even knows they exist all that much beyond this forum? Everything else you can learn to use for free and take as long as you want. There is just a large watermark on the printouts that won't let you make money off of them. Do you thing a kid is going to pay $40 for something he will never get hired to use? He/she is not going to waste time with that.
>
> If someone has a better idea on how to spread the word that DataCAD IS capable of doing architectural drawings faster than plain Jane AutoCAD for less than 1/3rd the price, I'm sure DataCAD LLC would like to hear it. It's also not like they have to send disks either. If so then, yes, $50 is break even at best. Since Avon is so close to many Ivy league schools, you would think DataCAD LLC would be trying to give this stuff away to architectural professors and such to get people hooked.
>
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From: Dana Smith <dsc...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:05 PM
To: dataca...@googlegroups.com
Subject: DBUG> Re: the Cloud
Simple: Start inserting publicity that DataCAD is BIM. Most of BIM
is in the modeling, everything else is inuendo of things to come. No
article I have read about BIM shows much more than a 3D model being
used for collaboration and conflict resolution (MECH, ELEC, etc.) I
do not see much benefit in embedding links and spreadsheets with
object information about fixtures, model numbers, etc. because you
would have to have plans in digital form for everyone to use. Too
easily modified by anyone with a little knowledge. Then you end up
with job sites with six different variants of the construction plans,
and no controls. Law suit city.
In the design/collaboration phases, BIM (model sharing) can be a
powerful tool and especially helpful in getting key players working
together to solve joint problems. DataCAD can supply 3D models in
several formats (for those AutoCAD houses) so it can share structural
information. With Mikogo or other desktop sharing, with live
interactive discussion, the 3D models can be jointly evaluated without
having to re-format the models.
Letting AutoCAD(Revit) control the constraints of BIM is a big
mistake. They are a decade behind DataCAD in the most important
functions.
Dana Smith
DSCS, Santa Fe
On 5/22/2012 8:53 AM, DR wrote:
- --Why do so many people use Autocad?--
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
Yep, I figured that just about everyone knew the answer to that, but
regardless, the new way that this is handled works just fine.
Bandwidth would be just about the only cost. Remember a lot of people
with 2 year drafting degrees never heard of SketchUp either. You would
think everyone would have heard of that, but not so. They all have
heard of AutoCAD and maybe Solid Works or Solid Edge. Very few are
even being taught architectural stuff at all since there is so little
work in that compared to engineering these days.
I think DataCAD LLC, could do a little more to market their product.
It's a good product at a good price. The problem is no one knows it's
out there. I think many small companies have this same problem.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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That was a rhetorical question, I did not need or want an answer. The
fact is, I already know the answer. But thanks anyway.
> --Why do so many people use Autocad?--
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From: Dean Buckeridge <de...@dbarc.co.nz>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
I think the telling comment in a previous post was "when the current
DataCad user base dies off", - what is the average age? I don't know
anybody else under 50 using it and if you are not getting the kids
onto it then you don't have a future because very few people change
CAD software once they learn 1 program.
Dean Buckeridge
NZCD(Arch) LBP Design
1 Stonehaven Terrace
Hillsborough
Christchurch 8022
p: +64 (0)3 337 1713
m: +64 (0)27 227 7637
e: de...@dbarc.co.nz
w: www.dbarc.co.nz
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Yep, I figured that just about everyone knew the answer to that, but
regardless, the new way that this is handled works just fine.
Bandwidth would be just about the only cost. Remember a lot of people
with 2 year drafting degrees never heard of SketchUp either. You would
think everyone would have heard of that, but not so. They all have
heard of AutoCAD and maybe Solid Works or Solid Edge. Very few are
even being taught architectural stuff at all since there is so little
work in that compared to engineering these days.
I think DataCAD LLC, could do a little more to market their product.
It's a good product at a good price. The problem is no one knows it's
out there. I think many small companies have this same problem.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
DC11 most certainly does run on Windows 7 - I have 11 and 13.
Yes it took a bit to get the Hardlocks to sync but other than that no
problems at all
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
_SaffronGroupInternational.com_
(http://www.saffrongroupinternational.blogspot.com/)
>>>>>>>>
My sincere THANKS for all the responses I received regarding my
dilemma of not being able to load Datacad. I have versions 11, 12,
and 13 and was comfortable using Version 11.
In my ignorance I found out that V 11 does not run on Windows 7.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:07:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
The thing is about 3D Kitchens:
Any Joe can walk into a local home center here, or a specialty shop,
and get FREEEEEEEEEE digital 3D Kitchen design.
These places are all over out here.
I could pop into a joint on State College Blvd and walk out with a
bitchin' design in no time, for no dime.
:(
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>
Sure you can model almost anything in Datacad or use the 3D casework
templates as a starting point. Wouldn't it be great to have a drag
and drop kitchen module like this:
http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/rooms_ideas/kitchen/download1.html
Kraftmaid has tons of cabinets models for free posted on the 3D
warehouse site:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=3D1578714967053181502720351&scoring=3Dm
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From: John Rowan <j...@jras.org.uk>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
56!
I also feel the marketing is less than adequet, they could and should
do more! Without marketing every business will die and if that happens
it will be a real shame that OUR choice of preference goes with it.
I doubt that they have more than a dozen seats in the UK. If they
have, the users are very quiet or very satisfied? Come on DataCAD get
your finger out and start pushing to survive. It's not the students
you need it's the professionals who need it.
John Rowan
Lincoln UK
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I think the telling comment in a previous post was "when the current
DataCad user base dies off", - what is the average age? I don't know
anybody else under 50 using it and if you are not getting the kids
onto it then you don't have a future because very few people change
CAD software once they learn 1 program.
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: DataCAD user friendliness
I don't think DataCAD is user unfriendly at. It just has a learning
curve.
Try Blender if want to see something hard to learn. It's open source
and does animation.
DaveR
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Free DataCAD
Probably in the past I would say if you can't figure it out in 30
days, you probably won't.
I think some how, they need to get DataCAD in the hands of students
any way possible.
I know it would cost money but probably less than other forms of
advertising. All the cool people that actually know a few things are
on both forums too.
DavidR
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:33 PM
Subject: Cloud
I don't know but for some reason it took me longer. Just bouncing
ideas around to know what there is to know.
DaveR
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:52 PM
Subject: Re Win7 issues.
It can be made to look like XP if you want but it will nanny you quite
a bit.
Did you try to install DataCAD 11 under it's own directory right below
your root drive. C:\DataCAD 11?
Even I only go back to version 4 during the CADkey buyout. UVA
students found out about DataCAD that way. In turn that's how I found
out.
David R
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re cabinets
Yes, 3D Power Tools makes even "cathedral" scallops at the top of cope
& stick / raised-panel doors easy. Ish.
I'd put forth that that STYLE of casework is wayyyy outdated.
Hopefully not many of us are using same. We're talkin' 1970s tract
homes.
Cope & stick / raised panel doors w/o the scallop top rail are a
breeze.
Modern Eurostyle the easiest, tho, by far.
Really, casework is a piece of cake. You make just one box. One face
frame. One door. One drawer. Copy/paste. Modify as needed (mainly
width).
No one on this Forum should have any trouble zippin' out basic
casework in 3D.
Specials can be trickier: Like helical turned columns and such.
Countertops, even with profiled edges, simple.
Tip on WOOD classic casework, using face frames and cope+stick: Make
yourself TWO wood textures of the desired species/color. One
horizontal. One vertical. Do your stiles and rails in two different
colors, assigned appropriately to render in horizontal grain (rails)
or vertical grain (stiles). Be happy!
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>>>
3D power tools makes those complicated pieces of trim simple too. Of
course you explained this 10 years. Flickr slide show would be cool
for some or even a YouTube video. If ever get time, I'm going put some
up too.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:11:29 -0700
From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
My advice is to not look back. XP is pretty creaky, as was the
computer that I was running it on. I'm glad to have taken the plunge.
The learning curve was not much of a challenge.
On 5/22/2012 11:52 AM, AM wrote:
> I found out that V 11 does not run on Windows 7. Each time I upgrade something it becomes a night-mare. I don’t want to be a computer wonk, I just want to be able to
> get some work done. Now I have to learn about Windows 7, after becoming comfortable with XP.
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
In my mind, the shame of it is that the Architect market is one that
has been very easily manipulated (we are by no means the only such
example). So, it follows that what seems simple and natural might not
work out like we hope.
Ted
> It's not the students you need it's the
> professionals who need it.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:44:43 -0500
From: "Debbie at Sun Plans" <deb...@sunplans.com>
Subject: DBUG> RE: DataCAD user friendliness
I was mainly speaking from the standpoint of my young students with
one class of 9-11th graders with a huge ability range. It was an
elective meant to be fun. When I saw them struggle with SketchUp, I
was glad I did not use DataCAD. They could find many how to videos
with SketchUp to teach them specifics and there are some very beginner
SketchUp books too that we used that gave them positive experiences
early in the process. The school allocated no money to buy any
licenses of any software.
I also have had consultants interested in working with me over the
years, but when I'd tell them what software I used and they'd try
DataCAD they would say no thanks and then try to convince me to switch
to theirs - mainly Chief Architect and Softplan. There have been a few
persistent ones that got the hang of it, but that is the exception.
For me personally, I find the 2d very easy to use, but then DataCAD is
all I've known for 2d. The o2c viewer has me pulling my hair out
every time I try to use it even after looking at written input on how
to use the controls. I find it quicker to export to SketchUp to view
than to use the o2c viewer. I'm sure I will try to figure it out at
some point, but it sure would be nice if it was more intuitive. I felt
the same way with the new Sun Shader in 14. Maybe I am just not geek
enough.
(Thanks for the heads up on Blender difficulty....)
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
deb...@sunplans.com
>>>>>>>>>
I don't think DataCAD is user unfriendly at. It just has a learning
curve. Try Blender if want to see something hard to learn. It's open
source and does animation.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:01 AM
Subject: Oftopic - New CYA note
- --These commodities, technology or software were licensed in
accordance with the US Department of Commerce, Export Administration
Regulations. Diversion contrary to U.S. law is prohibited. No Physical
or computational access by nationals of tier 4 countries (Cuba, Iran,
N. Korea, Sudan, Syria) is permitted. --
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:26 AM
Subject: Sidenote on handyman calculator.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=handyman+calculator
This doesn’t really do that much but it’s a lot of stuff that many
people do all of the time like adding feet & inches. It has everything
from a seed calculator to Ohm’s law. It won’t solve Calculus problems
but is a pretty handy app to have and I forgot to provide a link.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:21:35 +0100
From: "Clayton" <Cla...@tandt.eclipse.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
49.....
You look so much younger from here in sunny South Devon from where I'm
situated.
I must have missed this thread as I didn't get the link of the subject
matter of "The cloud" in reference to DC marketing etc.
Anyway, the power's that be at DC & SPIRIT HQ don't seem to think the
UK is an important market to invest in. However you'd think they
would
at least both give their websites a more inviting face lift to get
professionals or even students more interested in their own products
&
subsequently local re-sellers to buy from.
In an ideal world it would be cool if we had good representation of
DC
or SPIRIT in the UK, but times are hard I gather in the IT world,
even
though some such as Autodesk & Nemetschek seem to make fat profits
whatever the climate. Perhaps with the Internet & broadband we don't
need a local face..??? but a good balance should be still available.
Matt recent videos' in my humble opinion may have generated more
interest in DC & SPIRIT than the main websites, however this was only
targeted at us "forummers", if U-TUBED, then who knows..!!! SU
started
this way, can't be a bad thing, it worked for them. Lets hope the
penny will drop before the plug is pulled.
Anyway I fear DC's development is getting even slower than first
thought & I'm not getting any younger, so I thought I would give
SPIRIT PRO 2012 a go & have to added this purchase to my CAD armory,
as it does appear to have better investment & a clearer path of
development. I won't be "jumping ship" so to speak, (short term that
is) just adding more power tools to my Architectural Tool Box.
Over & out,
Clayton.
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56!
I also feel the marketing is less than adequet, they could and should
do more! Without marketing every business will die and if that
happens
it will be a real shame that OUR choice of preference goes with it.
I doubt that they have more than a dozen seats in the UK. If they
have, the users are very quiet or very satisfied? Come on DataCAD get
your finger out and start pushing to survive. It's not the students
you need it's the professionals who need it.
- -----
I think the telling comment in a previous post was "when the current
DataCad user base dies off", - what is the average age? I don't know
anybody else under 50 using it and if you are not getting the kids
onto it then you don't have a future because very few people change
CAD software once they learn 1 program.
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In this issue:
DBUG> Agenda for May 30th DBUG Meeting at GSD Assoc.
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> Re: the Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> DataCAD user friendliness
DBUG> Free DataCAD
DBUG> Cloud
DBUG> Re Win7 issues.
DBUG> Re cabinets
DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: DataCAD user friendliness
DBUG> Oftopic - New CYA note
DBUG> Sidenote on handyman calculator.
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
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From: Greg Smith <gsm...@gsd-assoc.com>
Date: May 23, 9:16 am
Subject: DBUG> Agenda for May 30th DBUG Meeting at GSD Assoc.
Agenda for May 30th DBUG Meeting at GSD Assoc.
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012
Time: 6:00 pm
Where: GSD Associates
146 Main St.
North Andover, MA 01845
978-688-5422
Directions Below or click here: for Google Maps Link to
Directionshttp://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=gsd+associates&fb=1&gl=us...
Host: Gregory Smith & Staff
RSVP to GSD Associates <gsm...@gsd-assoc.com>
NOTE: Program will qualify for 3 units of AIA (HSW/SD!) or Mass.
Continuing Education Credits
* Light Dinner Refreshments ($5 Donation) / Reception & Hobnobbing
* ENERGY STAR FOR HOMES V3.1 CHECKLIST - ENERGY USE AND AIR QUALITY
by Greg Smith
A primer on the various issues and factors in analyzing energy use and
air quality in a buildings. Review of some very informative websites
for design Guides, personal training, and Free Continuing Ed credit
courses (HSW)
* ENERGY ANALYSIS TAKEOFFS
by Anthony N'gan'ga
We will show you how to preparing a Energy Analysis of a simple
Building, using DataCAD and Takeoffs for reporting in various
programs.
* USING eQUEST
by Janne Kairento
A sample commercial building using DataCAD/AutoCAD/SketchUp will then
be analyzed using the free eQUEST program for professional analysis
and reports.
April Meeting Notes & Handouts at
<http://www.architects.org/committees/news/meeting-notes-
april-24-2012...>
For More Info on DBUG, please see
<http://www.architects.org/committees/datacad-boston-users-group>
DIRECTIONS:
FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE (FROM RT. 93)
From NH
Take Rt. 93 South to Rt. 213 just over the Massachusetts
Boarder. Take Rt. 213 to Rt. 495 Southbound Rt 495 Southbound towards
Lawrence, MA
Take Rt. 495 to exit #44 & #43 Merrimack Street and Massachusetts Ave.
Go down the ramp and go on the lower deck of the bridge. Stay in the
right hand lane as you will exit immediately after the bridge. Take
the Merrimack / Sutton St exit to the right.
Go down the ramp and make a left this road turns into Sutton St.
Go under the highway and accross the railroad tracks. At the first
light make a right onto Main Street. There is a Richdale's at this
intersection.
Follow directions " In North Andover" below
FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE OR MASSACHUSETTS (FROM RT. 3)
Rt 3 from Nashua South or From South of Lowell Rt. 3 North to Rt. 495
North
Rt 495 Northbound towards Lawrence, MA
Go past Rt 93 on 495 to exit #43 Massachusetts Ave.
Go to end of ramp and make a right onto Mass ave.
Go Approximately 0.2 miles and make a hard left at Waverly St. There
is a light at this intersection.
Go down the street until it ends at Main Street and make a right.
Follow directions " In North Andover" below
FROM BOSTON (From Rt. 93)
North on Rt 93 from Boston to Rt. 495 North
Rt 495 Northbound towards Lawrence, MA
On Rt. 495 to exit #43 Massachusetts Ave.
Go to end of ramp and make a right onto Mass ave.
Go Approximately 0.2 miles and make a hard left at Waverly St. There
is a light at this intersection.
Go down the street until it ends at Main Street and make a right
Follow directions " In North Andover" below
FROM NORTH SHORE - DANVERS & SALEM AREA (From Rt. 114)
Take Rt. 114 towards North Andover.
In North Andover at the intersection of Rt 114 and Rt. 125 (after
Merrimack College) take a right onto Rt 125 and follow a mile or so to
the light at the North Andover Middle School (on the left). Make a
left at this light by Sals Pizza onto Main Street.Follow this road
into the downtown area of North Andover
After the Bank Boston Building on the right is a small access road to
Sutton Pond Condominiums Make a right at this access road there is a
grey 2 story building at the corner with a Sports shop and a small
Hardware store. (If you Go by the Town Hall and Fire department and
the Messina's Shopping plaza, you have gone too far.)
There is a sign on the side of the Grey Building that reads "Sutton
Pond" There is also a Parking Sign "P". make a right at this access
road
it leads to 146 & 148 Main St. Stay to the right of the Stone "Sutton
Pond" Sign and park in the lot immediately to the left after the sign.
Walk a short distance along the access road along the pond dam to the
building on the left hand side. There is a sign at the front of the
building.
IN NORTH ANDOVER
Go into Town, a small shopping center "Messina's Plaza" is on the
right.
Go just past this shopping center and on the left hand side of the
road after the town hall and fire department is an access road. There
is a sign on the side of the building that reads "Sutton Pond" There
is also a Parking Sign "P". make a left at this access road it leads
to 146 & 148 Main St. Stay to the right of the Stone "Sutton Pond"
Sign and park in the lot immediately to the left after the sign.
Walk a short distance along the access road along the pond dam to the
building on the left hand side. There is a sign at the front of the
building. We will be meeting in the conference room at the entrance
level.
NOTE: Do not cross over the wooden bridge and park in the Numbered
Condominium Parking spaces or they will tow your car.
See you there!
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
That was a rhetorical question, I did not need or want an answer. The
fact is, I already know the answer. But thanks anyway.
> --Why do so many people use Autocad?--
>
> Simple when they went after copyright violators, they went after companies and pretty much every drafting student that had a PC had a pirate copy for free that they didn't care about. So later on that becomes the program that they want to use at work which pays for it. At the that time AutoCAD had no copy protection and there wasn't CAD classes in school. In 1986 if you had a PC you were a beginner and computer classes were still time sharing, main frame based
>
> Yeah, why not give it away with certain limitations. That's what everyone else does. Then you may, in the future, end up with more paying customers. It's a long term marketing thing and it has worked well for many small companies that later became large. It' not like they would be losing money for something they aren't going to sell anyhow.
>
> When DataCAD's current user base all dies off or retires, who is going to buy from them when no one even knows they exist all that much beyond this forum? Everything else you can learn to use for free and take as long as you want. There is just a large watermark on the printouts that won't let you make money off of them. Do you thing a kid is going to pay $40 for something he will never get hired to use? He/she is not going to waste time with that.
>
> If someone has a better idea on how to spread the word that DataCAD IS capable of doing architectural drawings faster than plain Jane AutoCAD for less than 1/3rd the price, I'm sure DataCAD LLC would like to hear it. It's also not like they have to send disks either. If so then, yes, $50 is break even at best. Since Avon is so close to many Ivy league schools, you would think DataCAD LLC would be trying to give this stuff away to architectural professors and such to get people hooked.
>
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From: Dana Smith <dsc...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:05 PM
To: dataca...@googlegroups.com
Subject: DBUG> Re: the Cloud
Simple: Start inserting publicity that DataCAD is BIM. Most of BIM
is in the modeling, everything else is inuendo of things to come. No
article I have read about BIM shows much more than a 3D model being
used for collaboration and conflict resolution (MECH, ELEC, etc.) I
do not see much benefit in embedding links and spreadsheets with
object information about fixtures, model numbers, etc. because you
would have to have plans in digital form for everyone to use. Too
easily modified by anyone with a little knowledge. Then you end up
with job sites with six different variants of the construction plans,
and no controls. Law suit city.
In the design/collaboration phases, BIM (model sharing) can be a
powerful tool and especially helpful in getting key players working
together to solve joint problems. DataCAD can supply 3D models in
several formats (for those AutoCAD houses) so it can share structural
information. With Mikogo or other desktop sharing, with live
interactive discussion, the 3D models can be jointly evaluated without
having to re-format the models.
Letting AutoCAD(Revit) control the constraints of BIM is a big
mistake. They are a decade behind DataCAD in the most important
functions.
Dana Smith
DSCS, Santa Fe
On 5/22/2012 8:53 AM, DR wrote:
- --Why do so many people use Autocad?--
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
Yep, I figured that just about everyone knew the answer to that, but
regardless, the new way that this is handled works just fine.
Bandwidth would be just about the only cost. Remember a lot of people
with 2 year drafting degrees never heard of SketchUp either. You would
think everyone would have heard of that, but not so. They all have
heard of AutoCAD and maybe Solid Works or Solid Edge. Very few are
even being taught architectural stuff at all since there is so little
work in that compared to engineering these days.
I think DataCAD LLC, could do a little more to market their product.
It's a good product at a good price. The problem is no one knows it's
out there. I think many small companies have this same problem.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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That was a rhetorical question, I did not need or want an answer. The
fact is, I already know the answer. But thanks anyway.
> --Why do so many people use Autocad?--
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From: Dean Buckeridge <de...@dbarc.co.nz>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
I think the telling comment in a previous post was "when the current
DataCad user base dies off", - what is the average age? I don't know
anybody else under 50 using it and if you are not getting the kids
onto it then you don't have a future because very few people change
CAD software once they learn 1 program.
Dean Buckeridge
NZCD(Arch) LBP Design
1 Stonehaven Terrace
Hillsborough
Christchurch 8022
p: +64 (0)3 337 1713
m: +64 (0)27 227 7637
e: de...@dbarc.co.nz
w: www.dbarc.co.nz
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Yep, I figured that just about everyone knew the answer to that, but
regardless, the new way that this is handled works just fine.
Bandwidth would be just about the only cost. Remember a lot of people
with 2 year drafting degrees never heard of SketchUp either. You would
think everyone would have heard of that, but not so. They all have
heard of AutoCAD and maybe Solid Works or Solid Edge. Very few are
even being taught architectural stuff at all since there is so little
work in that compared to engineering these days.
I think DataCAD LLC, could do a little more to market their product.
It's a good product at a good price. The problem is no one knows it's
out there. I think many small companies have this same problem.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
DC11 most certainly does run on Windows 7 - I have 11 and 13.
Yes it took a bit to get the Hardlocks to sync but other than that no
problems at all
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
_SaffronGroupInternational.com_
(http://www.saffrongroupinternational.blogspot.com/)
>>>>>>>>
My sincere THANKS for all the responses I received regarding my
dilemma of not being able to load Datacad. I have versions 11, 12,
and 13 and was comfortable using Version 11.
In my ignorance I found out that V 11 does not run on Windows 7.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:07:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
The thing is about 3D Kitchens:
Any Joe can walk into a local home center here, or a specialty shop,
and get FREEEEEEEEEE digital 3D Kitchen design.
These places are all over out here.
I could pop into a joint on State College Blvd and walk out with a
bitchin' design in no time, for no dime.
:(
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>
Sure you can model almost anything in Datacad or use the 3D casework
templates as a starting point. Wouldn't it be great to have a drag
and drop kitchen module like this:
http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/rooms_ideas/kitchen/download1.html
Kraftmaid has tons of cabinets models for free posted on the 3D
warehouse site:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=3D1578714967053181502720351&scoring=3Dm
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From: John Rowan <j...@jras.org.uk>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
56!
I also feel the marketing is less than adequet, they could and should
do more! Without marketing every business will die and if that happens
it will be a real shame that OUR choice of preference goes with it.
I doubt that they have more than a dozen seats in the UK. If they
have, the users are very quiet or very satisfied? Come on DataCAD get
your finger out and start pushing to survive. It's not the students
you need it's the professionals who need it.
John Rowan
Lincoln UK
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I think the telling comment in a previous post was "when the current
DataCad user base dies off", - what is the average age? I don't know
anybody else under 50 using it and if you are not getting the kids
onto it then you don't have a future because very few people change
CAD software once they learn 1 program.
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: DataCAD user friendliness
I don't think DataCAD is user unfriendly at. It just has a learning
curve.
Try Blender if want to see something hard to learn. It's open source
and does animation.
DaveR
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Free DataCAD
Probably in the past I would say if you can't figure it out in 30
days, you probably won't.
I think some how, they need to get DataCAD in the hands of students
any way possible.
I know it would cost money but probably less than other forms of
advertising. All the cool people that actually know a few things are
on both forums too.
DavidR
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:33 PM
Subject: Cloud
I don't know but for some reason it took me longer. Just bouncing
ideas around to know what there is to know.
DaveR
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:52 PM
Subject: Re Win7 issues.
It can be made to look like XP if you want but it will nanny you quite
a bit.
Did you try to install DataCAD 11 under it's own directory right below
your root drive. C:\DataCAD 11?
Even I only go back to version 4 during the CADkey buyout. UVA
students found out about DataCAD that way. In turn that's how I found
out.
David R
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re cabinets
Yes, 3D Power Tools makes even "cathedral" scallops at the top of cope
& stick / raised-panel doors easy. Ish.
I'd put forth that that STYLE of casework is wayyyy outdated.
Hopefully not many of us are using same. We're talkin' 1970s tract
homes.
Cope & stick / raised panel doors w/o the scallop top rail are a
breeze.
Modern Eurostyle the easiest, tho, by far.
Really, casework is a piece of cake. You make just one box. One face
frame. One door. One drawer. Copy/paste. Modify as needed (mainly
width).
No one on this Forum should have any trouble zippin' out basic
casework in 3D.
Specials can be trickier: Like helical turned columns and such.
Countertops, even with profiled edges, simple.
Tip on WOOD classic casework, using face frames and cope+stick: Make
yourself TWO wood textures of the desired species/color. One
horizontal. One vertical. Do your stiles and rails in two different
colors, assigned appropriately to render in horizontal grain (rails)
or vertical grain (stiles). Be happy!
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>>>
3D power tools makes those complicated pieces of trim simple too. Of
course you explained this 10 years. Flickr slide show would be cool
for some or even a YouTube video. If ever get time, I'm going put some
up too.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:11:29 -0700
From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
My advice is to not look back. XP is pretty creaky, as was the
computer that I was running it on. I'm glad to have taken the plunge.
The learning curve was not much of a challenge.
On 5/22/2012 11:52 AM, AM wrote:
> I found out that V 11 does not run on Windows 7. Each time I upgrade something it becomes a night-mare. I don’t want to be a computer wonk, I just want to be able to
> get some work done. Now I have to learn about Windows 7, after becoming comfortable with XP.
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
In my mind, the shame of it is that the Architect market is one that
has been very easily manipulated (we are by no means the only such
example). So, it follows that what seems simple and natural might not
work out like we hope.
Ted
> It's not the students you need it's the
> professionals who need it.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:44:43 -0500
From: "Debbie at Sun Plans" <deb...@sunplans.com>
Subject: DBUG> RE: DataCAD user friendliness
I was mainly speaking from the standpoint of my young students with
one class of 9-11th graders with a huge ability range. It was an
elective meant to be fun. When I saw them struggle with SketchUp, I
was glad I did not use DataCAD. They could find many how to videos
with SketchUp to teach them specifics and there are some very beginner
SketchUp books too that we used that gave them positive experiences
early in the process. The school allocated no money to buy any
licenses of any software.
I also have had consultants interested in working with me over the
years, but when I'd tell them what software I used and they'd try
DataCAD they would say no thanks and then try to convince me to switch
to theirs - mainly Chief Architect and Softplan. There have been a few
persistent ones that got the hang of it, but that is the exception.
For me personally, I find the 2d very easy to use, but then DataCAD is
all I've known for 2d. The o2c viewer has me pulling my hair out
every time I try to use it even after looking at written input on how
to use the controls. I find it quicker to export to SketchUp to view
than to use the o2c viewer. I'm sure I will try to figure it out at
some point, but it sure would be nice if it was more intuitive. I felt
the same way with the new Sun Shader in 14. Maybe I am just not geek
enough.
(Thanks for the heads up on Blender difficulty....)
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
deb...@sunplans.com
>>>>>>>>>
I don't think DataCAD is user unfriendly at. It just has a learning
curve. Try Blender if want to see something hard to learn. It's open
source and does animation.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:01 AM
Subject: Oftopic - New CYA note
- --These commodities, technology or software were licensed in
accordance with the US Department of Commerce, Export Administration
Regulations. Diversion contrary to U.S. law is prohibited. No Physical
or computational access by nationals of tier 4 countries (Cuba, Iran,
N. Korea, Sudan, Syria) is permitted. --
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:26 AM
Subject: Sidenote on handyman calculator.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=handyman+calculator
This doesn’t really do that much but it’s a lot of stuff that many
people do all of the time like adding feet & inches. It has everything
from a seed calculator to Ohm’s law. It won’t solve Calculus problems
but is a pretty handy app to have and I forgot to provide a link.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:21:35 +0100
From: "Clayton" <Cla...@tandt.eclipse.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
49.....
You look so much younger from here in sunny South Devon from where I'm
situated.
I must have missed this thread as I didn't get the link of the subject
matter of "The cloud" in reference to DC marketing etc.
Anyway, the power's that be at DC & SPIRIT HQ don't seem to think the
UK is an important market to invest in. However you'd think they
would
at least both give their websites a more inviting face lift to get
professionals or even students more interested in their own products
&
subsequently local re-sellers to buy from.
In an ideal world it would be cool if we had good representation of
DC
or SPIRIT in the UK, but times are hard I gather in the IT world,
even
though some such as Autodesk & Nemetschek seem to make fat profits
whatever the climate. Perhaps with the Internet & broadband we don't
need a local face..??? but a good balance should be still available.
Matt recent videos' in my humble opinion may have generated more
interest in DC & SPIRIT than the main websites, however this was only
targeted at us "forummers", if U-TUBED, then who knows..!!! SU
started
this way, can't be a bad thing, it worked for them. Lets hope the
penny will drop before the plug is pulled.
Anyway I fear DC's development is getting even slower than first
thought & I'm not getting any younger, so I thought I would give
SPIRIT PRO 2012 a go & have to added this purchase to my CAD armory,
as it does appear to have better investment & a clearer path of
development. I won't be "jumping ship" so to speak, (short term that
is) just adding more power tools to my Architectural Tool Box.
Over & out,
Clayton.
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56!
I also feel the marketing is less than adequet, they could and should
do more! Without marketing every business will die and if that
happens
it will be a real shame that OUR choice of preference goes with it.
I doubt that they have more than a dozen seats in the UK. If they
have, the users are very quiet or very satisfied? Come on DataCAD get
your finger out and start pushing to survive. It's not the students
you need it's the professionals who need it.
- -----
I think the telling comment in a previous post was "when the current
DataCad user base dies off", - what is the average age? I don't know
anybody else under 50 using it and if you are not getting the kids
onto it then you don't have a future because very few people change
CAD software once they learn 1 program.
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