Curved Leaders again

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David Ramey

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May 19, 2012, 10:48:11 AM5/19/12
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Yes curved leaders are historical. I haven't personally seen FLW drawings but have seen copies.

It may be time to move forward as straight arrows can be different from the drawing itself too by controlling line weights and a nice solid filled arrow head.

IMO the home the needs to be work of art and the plans easy to read. Straight arrows traditionally have tails too but I wonder if that is even necessary. So I'm giving thought to even keeping straight lines into one line instead of two unless I need a Z.

FLW didn't have a computer or near as many notes as we have to have today to CYA.

Dave

PS Im going to try to get the upgrade.

Ted Blockley

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May 20, 2012, 12:12:45 AM5/20/12
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On 5/19/2012 7:48 AM, David Ramey wrote:
> FLW didn't have a computer or near as many notes as we have to have
> today to CYA.
My favorite vintage drawing note has no leader at all. Rather, the
otherwise blank portion of a drawing of a piece of stonework simply had
the nicely calligraphed words "An Inscription" in it. The finished
product had a poem literally carved in stone. No CYA needed back then.


James Horecka

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May 20, 2012, 12:04:56 PM5/20/12
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Yep.
 
Another fav of mine:
Callout for an amazing set of caryatids:
STATUE; SUBMIT MODEL
I like your poem one even better, tho.
 
These days, I do a lot that has open language, by intent. Usually along the lines of: "XXXX, to be under art direction by YYYY"
 
I have books dating back to the late 1700s. Fun to browse. One of my fav's was a turn-of-the-century book that taught students in school at that time much of what they needed to know to do architectural drafting at that time, from site planning through turn-over. In the book was a wonderful set of plates of actual working drawings of a nice house in the country. Site Plan thru all details.
 
Another textbook on my shelf has two sets of working drawings in it. One for a small traditional house of the '40s. The other a more daring modern beach house, with custom lgith fixtures and built-in furniture.
 
I've also worked restoring Victorian houses and on ships. Kewl drawings. In truth, all these had FAR fewer notes than today's work.
 
Straight arrows would have required tools. T-Square for the horizontal leg. The move T-Square, pick up and bring over a small triangle, align it, draft raked leader. Take triangle away, back to its stowed spot. Draft arrow.
 
You know, there are still a few great masters among us. I dig getting to meet them and see their work. Now THOSE boys could DRAW.
Today's CAD Jockeys? Meh. Does nothin' for me.
Bitchin' renderings by the best of all eras, tho. However, that's a whole 'nuther topic.
 
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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James Horecka

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May 20, 2012, 3:09:17 PM5/20/12
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John Lautner, one of my all-time fav's, did some wild stuff. I've seen many of his original pencil-on-vellum sheets. Some I've pored over for hours, gaining understanding in detail. No photograph in any book does justice to the real thing. Curved leaders. With some effort, such things can be seen in person.
 
Lautner actually hated drafting. Too mechanical for his tastes. Others in his studio often laid down the lines. Some I've met in person; the wonderful Ms. Arahuete, e.g. I've also personally met others connected in one way or another: Escher, Cohen, various clients (Pearlman makes nice tea).
 
Working Drawings can be way more than the equivalent of thermal-printed bar tabs. Under gifted hand, they may elevate to become little treasures.
 
Sidebar: One reason I spend hours studying such sheets is to know what was intended vs what was actually built. Rarely matching, you see. In one recent case, where a fireplace was smoking badly, I realized that the actual fire box was constructed about half the depth specified on the original floor plan and section. Ya think that might be the reason? Duh. I'd love to see the documentation for that field change. Who made the decisions? Why? In the end, WTF happened? Result is a fireplace that smokes terribly.
 
James Horecka, AIA
Architect

David Ramey

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May 21, 2012, 1:44:30 PM5/21/12
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--Straight arrows would have required tools. T-Square for the horizontal leg. The move T-Square, pick up and bring over a small triangle, align it, draft raked leader. Take triangle away, back to its stowed spot.

Draft arrow.--

Why would you need a horizontal leg? Is that even necessary. Tools for curved leaders either a French curve or a steady hand. I would think just to draw a line would require at least a straight edge. To me the pretty needs to be in the home and speed plus clarity needs to be in the drawings with some exceptions that the customer really pays attention to like a 3D rendering or something like that.

I’ve seen stuff that was pretty as can be with tons of mistakes and stuff that was ugly but right.

 

Regards,

 

David Ramey

 

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