David,
The idea of a 10th planet in our solar system was known as far back as the ancient Sumerians, and maybe further back in time. I wonder where the Scientists first got the idea of a 10th planet in our system? Maybe they followed the tried and true way, but just maybe, they followed the ancient records/accounts from the Sumerians & Egyptians of The Destroyer and its 3,500 to 3,600 year orbit? Its last appearence was sometime between 1586 to 1600BC.
Or, just maybe, they were warned about its coming arrival from some of those off-world visitors President Eisenhower met with back between 1954-55?
Project Camelot had an interview with
the Italian Reporter Luca Scantamburlo in 2008. Here are the links to the two part video interview ...
Links to transcripts of the interview
The people mentioned in this interview are:
KC Kerry Cassidy
BR Bill Ryan
LS Luca Scantamburlo
The Vatican is a
small state, you know. But, it’s a tradition, it’s a reputation. Moreover, the
importance... You have a state in which you have politics and also you have
faith, you know. You have it together. And...
KC: So this man is
coming forward secretly. He’s backed by a couple other people in the Vatican?
LS: I don’t know
the numbers, but I can imagine a few of them.
KC: Okay.
LS: A minority of
course, because it’s not an official position of the Vatican.
KC: Okay. And what
they’re saying is that there is a planet out in the solar system,
approaching...
LS: Approaching
us.
KC: ...approaching
us. The Earth.
LS: Yes. There is the...
BR: Is it a
planet, Luca, or is it just some large body?
LS: That’s an
interesting question. An interesting question because... well. What Barbato
knew about this - because we had a conversation, we had many discussions - what
he knew without doubt is that the Jesuit told him that this planetoid, which it
seems that is coming in the solar system, would be - according to the Jesuit it
is - the so-called Planet X, or the ancient god Nibiru. And Marduk,
according to the Babylonians.
So “Planet X” is a scientific expression for something
that should be out there. But at least officially, up to now, there is no
evidence. I mean... indirect evidence there are, but direct evidence,
officially, observation from some observatories, there aren’t, officially. But,
there are indirect evidence that there should be something out there.
But the Jesuit
pointed out this - that planetoid is the Sumerian planet. I
mean, what the Sumerians called Nibiru, “the planet of crossing,” that
everybody, you know, should be familiar with this because Zecharia Sitchin, for
example - the well-known historian, Russian historian, who lives in New York -
wrote many books about this. The Jesuit told Barbato the planetoid IS
the so-called Nibiru planet.
BR: Do you know
what they called it, in the Vatican? What their name for it
is?
LS: No. I don’t
know. I can have some ideas about this. Because if you look in the New
Testament, John’s book, the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible,
there is a passage in which - maybe - there is a reference to this body. But if
you consider that book, the Book of Revelation, not just a book about
metaphysical or, just, you know, a future which will involve the spiritual
forms; if you consider that book as a book with a, I mean... [searching for
correct words]... I mean, how can I call them? Future events?
KC: Prophetic.
LS: But retaining
symbolic, in symbolic...How do you say?
KC: Language.
LS: In symbolic
language. If you consider that book under these terms, there is a strange
passage in which there is a word. This word is Wormwood.
KC: Ah. Yes.
LS: And it seems
that there could be a connection with strange phenomena. I’m talking about
celestial phenomena. Because if I remember well, in that passage the book is
telling us about a strange star which will appear and its color will be red.
And its name is Wormwood. But coming back to your question, Kerry, I
have never... I have no idea about what is the name in this secret agency.
KC: Okay, then can
you tell us, what is the background of the Jesuit? In other words, what did he
tell Barbato besides the fact that there was a planet coming?
LS: Yes. He
confirmed this.
KC: Was it
connected with the Third Secret of Fatima? Was it connected? Because we know
that Barbato has written in the past, articles about this.
LS: Yes. Yes. To
answer to your question... One of the main reasons for which the Jesuit and his
colleagues DECIDED to contact Barbato was because of his articles published in
the year 2000, on Stargate, the magazine (the monthly magazine, not Stargate
Magazine, which is the following magazine which was published, but the
former one, Stargate) in which Barbato wrote several articles about
the Third Secret of Fatima, especially on the base of the researchers which are
... who are Portuguese researchers - Fina d’Armada. And the other
gentleman is a historian.
And that book has a strange title, you know - Extraterrestrial
Intervention at Fatima, something like this. [Note: The English title is: The
Apparitions of Fatima and the UFO Phenomena.] You can find that anywhere,
perhaps you want, on the Internet. And because of his articles about the Third
Secret of Fatima. And, at that time, the year 2000, there was also a conference
press held by the Vatican and there was the official revelation by the Vatican
of the Third Secret of Fatima. And, if you read the revelation, there is a
vision of a Bishop dressed in white, who dies, together with other Christians.
But, there is no
sign of cataclysms, you know, problems for all the Earth. But, for example,
there is a nice book, this one [takes book from shelf] written by a very famous
Italian journalist. His name is Antonio Socci. He wrote the book and the title
is, Quarto Segreto di Fatima, which in Italian means The
Fourth Secret of Fatima. It doesn’t mean that there is the fourth
secret. It’s just a play of words, but supported by strong evidence which
indicate that there is a part of the secret that - maybe - was not released to
the public yet. And according to this book, to the author, Antonio Socci, he
found out that because of his researches, that maybe the secret written by
Sister Lucia Dos Santos, was divided in two parts.
One part is the
so-called VISION, which was made public, and is the official version, according
to the author, released by the Vatican, in year 2000. Maybe - according to the
author - there is another piece of the secret, which is still secret.
And, that one would be the explanation of the vision.
KC: Okay, now the
vision was of the Bishop in white...
LS: Yes.
LS: The strange
thing is that Barbato did not come out with information about the Third Secret
of Fatima. There is not a single word about the Third Secret of Fatima. [sighs
deeply] Maybe because it was a choice made by the Jesuits. Maybe because it was
a choice made by Barbato.
Anyway, according
to me, in my opinion, there could be a connection between this planet, which is
an intruder - which WAS an intruder in our solar system in ancient past - and
now it seems is a part of our solar system, and the Third Secret of Fatima.
KC: So are you
saying that you’re making the connection but the Jesuit did NOT make
that connection?
LS: No. There is
not a single word from Barbato, which, you know, is a link, you know. Barbato
did an outstanding work before the Jesuit footage came out. But...
KC: Okay. So
you’re saying this is sort of what we call a “synchronicity?” Do you understand
when I say that word, “synchronicity?”
LS: Yes.
KC: It means two
events that are happening...
LS: Barbato is...
in my opinion, Barbato is perfectly aware, is conscious of what there is behind
the Third Secret of Fatima. First of all, because...
KC: Because he knows...
LS: First of all
because he studied the subject, you know.
LS: For example,
this book [picks up Socci book] is very important but it does not mention
Cristoforo Barbato. But for example, it mentions Malachi Martin, who was a
former Jesuit, very famous in the United States of America, because of...
KC: Malachi
Martin?
LS: Malachi
Martin, yes.
KC: Ah, yes.
LS: He
participated to the Coast to Coast talk show...
KC: Yes,
absolutely.
LS: Hosted by Art
Bell.
KC: Very
respected.
LS: And he died in
1999.
KC: That’s right.
KC: Yes.
LS: But he did
something about the Third Secret of Fatima. He was not Jesuit any more
because... He worked by the Holy See, in Vatican, in the ‘60s, in the last
century. He was one of the assistants of a Cardinal. So in my opinion, he had the
possibility to be involved in some secret aspects of the Vatican affairs.
Anyway, in that book, Antonio Socci wrote a few lines about Malachi Martin and
is not too much convinced about his witnesses, about his testimony. But anyway,
it’s important because it mentioned Malachi Martin in the book and it doesn’t
mention Cristoforo Barbato’s researches. It mentioned Malachi Martin because of
his statements made at the Coast to Coast, the Art Bell show.
KC: Uh huh.
LS: But it doesn’t
mention what Malachi Martin said at Art Bell show, about something that is
approaching us, according to Malachi Martin’s words. And this is a quite
important point.
KC: What did
Malachi Martin say was approaching us?
LS: Yes.
KC: Do you know?
LS: Yes. I
remember. I have the transcript of his words. I can read it for you. But
anyway...
KC: That’s okay.
We can put the words on the screen...
LS: Yes, I can
tell you...
KC: ...and you can
tell us your version.
LS: Yes, but the
main point is the building of a new telescope by the Vatican on Mount Graham,
in Arizona. This is an official astronomical site held by Vatican, in
collaboration with the Arizona University. The name is Vatican Advanced
Technology Telescope. It is in public domain, they have a website, and the
telescope has a mirror with a diameter about 1.8 meter. It’s expensive, a few
million dollars.
KC: Why is that
significant?
LS: Because it’s a
little bit strange that you build an advanced telescope if, I mean, the main
affairs of your country is keeping the faith, the Catholic faith, alive. So,
the question made by Art Bell to Malachi Martin was: Why did they do this,
Father?
And the answer of
the former Jesuit, Malachi Martin, was the following, if I remember: Because
those who are amongst the highest levels of the Vatican and the geopolitics
know that what is approaching us could be of great import in the next 5 years,
10 years. Unquote. And this was said in 1997. Now we are in 2008.
But, you know, the
problem is that we are facing radical climate changes. So if you give
a look to the scientific articles about climate changes, there is not, you
know, just one line. There are different lines. There are many scientists who
say, Yes there are radical changes, the climate changes. We are
guilty of this because of the pollution, because of the...
KC: Right. But
they’re also saying – and, you know, we’ve interviewed David Wilcock and
Richard Hoagland about this, which is - saying that the outer planets of our
solar system are heating up.
LS: Yes. As a
matter of fact, Richard Hoagland is the author, if I remember well, of the
first article, written in 2003, about climate changes in the solar system. It
was made available on his website.
LS: And, it was in
2003. One of the most important points was that during the conversation between
this Deep Throat - the Jesuit from the Vatican - and Barbato, the Jesuit said
to Barbato that this planet, the presumed Planet X, Nibiru, would begin...
would have begun... to affect the solar system from year 2004. And
this happened in year 2000 or 2001.
LS: And he used an
expression that I like so much about extraterrestrial affairs, about possible
extraterrestrial presence in our solar system. He said this: This story
is dynamite.
I perfectly agree
with him! This story is dynamite because if Nibiru DOES exist, first of all,
it’s a threat to all of us because its orbit, if it is the orbit described in
the ancient text in Mesopotamia, is a cometary obit. So it means that at a
certain point, this planet will be close to the sun and close to the other
planets. And if its mass is bigger than Earth mass, we can have a lot of
problems.
Also, because of -
I can imagine - this planet has a magnetic field. As a matter of fact, there
are... there is a strange behavior in the solar activity. And for a strange
coincidence - but I don’t believe in the coincidence - this solar cycle, the
solar cycle 24, will have its peak, its maximum, in the year 2011, 2012. And
this doesn’t come from me, it doesn’t come from the Jesuit, it doesn’t come
from Barbato. It comes from scientific forecasts made by NASA employees.
BR: I have to ask:
what did the Jesuit say in terms of hard information about this planetoid’s orbit
and its size, and its nature? Whether it’s a rocky planet or a big gas giant
like Saturn? Or is it...
LS: The planet was
described by Zecharia Sitchin. So we have an atmosphere, and we have the
possibility to have life on the surface. It’s the planet described by the
Sumerians.
BR: That’s what
the Jesuit said?
LS: Yes, it’s
Nibiru. But, he said more about the space program that they would have... that
the Vatican, by secrecy, would have. We are talking about the Siloe Space
Program. The Siloe Space Program would be part of the bigger one, and its name
is Kerigma. Kerigma is a Greek word. It means “proclamation,
annunciation.”
KC: Ah!
LS: And also,
[turning page] these two gentlemen here - of course everybody knows him, should
know him - is President Dwight Eisenhower. And this gentleman here is James
Francis McIntyre, the former Bishop of Los Angeles. And the Jesuit confirmed to
Barbato that this gentleman was present at Muroc Airfield in February
1954 because Dwight Eisenhower wanted to have a spiritual support to take an
important decision for mankind.
Because there were
already rumors about this presumed meeting, occurred in February 1954, between
a delegation from Earth and a presumed alien delegation from outside
our world.
And the Jesuit...
This is very important. For the first time we had a deep throat from the
Vatican who confirmed: Yes. This meeting happened. Yes, James Francis
McIntyre participated.
And moreover, the
Jesuit told Barbato that later on, a few days later, James Francis McIntyre
broke the rules. Because, of course, the American administration - we’re
talking about the leaders who were participants of that meeting - said to the
Bishop: Yes, you were present because of Dwight Eisenhower’s desire. You
are not allowed to talk about this, even to the Pope.
But McIntyre took
another decision, and a few days later took a flight and went to Rome, and told
everything to the Pope, who was, of course, shocked. And, according to the
Jesuit, this was the first reason for the creation of this presumed secret
service, the Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano - SIV.
Okay, now we have
another problem. Other beings from other regions of the universe are here on
the Earth. This is a threat, of course, not only to humanity, but first of all,
to the faith of the Christians, of the Catholics, even to the
existence of the Vatican. You have to consider this problem. One of the reasons
was to keep a secret service to avoid, you know, to ... [searching for words]
KC: Maintain the
secrecy?
LS: No. To have
the opportunity to know what other secret services abroad could learn
about these creatures. This is what I understood. This is what Barbato told me.
And this is what is public. The Pope was very worried. And at the same time -
this is another important point - other creatures from other regions in the
universe, according to the Jesuit, begin to have contact with the Vatican, with
the SIV, Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano. Even a couple of meetings took
place in the Vatican gardens, involved other creatures and the same Pope.
KC: Okay, but when
was this?
LS: Maybe in the
‘50s. We are talking about the ‘50s.
KC: Was it after
the meeting with Eisenhower?
LS: After.
KC: After.
LS: At the same
time you have at least two races. According to the records, you have at least
two races. One of them is the race who had the contact at Muroc Airfield, which
became later Edwards Air Force Base.
And at the same
time, just a few months later, you have another race, human-looking - you
cannot distinguish them from us - and they had contacts with the American
administration. I’m talking about the people who had the need to know.
(A break here ... it is also known that President Eisenhower met with off-world visitors at Holloman AFB in 1955. Air Force 1 landed, and parked out on the runway ... two saucer shaped craft appeared, one landed right in front of Air Force 1, while the other craft hovered overhead. Eisenhower was seen leaving his plane, and walking to the craft and entered. This meeting took about 45 minutes. The two craft leave, and Air Force 1 leaves)
LS: At the same time,
they had contact with the Vatican. And those creatures said: You have to be
very careful with the other creatures.
This is very
important because usually, when somebody talks about the presumed meeting which
occurred in February 1954, they think that those creatures were just
human-looking, like us. Yes, maybe they were humanoid, but they were
different.
There is at least
one other race, human-looking, much more than them. And they were very worried
about the secret agreement signed among the Eisenhower administration - by
secrecy - with this race.
BR: Did the Jesuit
say all of that to Barbato? Or is this your own summary of the situation?
LS: This is what
the Jesuit told Barbato. Barbato told in the interview, and even in
other...First of all, in the press release that Barbato made public in the year
2005 at the same time when there was the first meeting in which he showed the
Jesuit Footage to the public. The Jesuit Footage was never given to anybody.
KC: Okay. How did
the Vatican react when Barbato came forward with this story?
LS: No reaction.
KC: None?
KC: Okay. But the
Jesuit - did he say anything to Barbato about this?
LS: Yes, yes, yes.
He said something that became public, because in the interview it became
public. In the interview that Barbato released to me, vetted to me, he said
that the Jesuit told him that this extraterrestrial race which would be present
on this planetoid which is approaching us according to him, are a warrior
race. He may have used another word... but... The meaning is, it is a warrior
race.
KC: Did he use the
term “Anunnaki”?
LS: If I remember,
yes. There is no doubt. He identified that race with the race which was adored
in Mesopotamia thousands of years ago – the Anunnaki, which means “those who
from heaven came to Earth.” There is no doubt about this, according to the
Jesuit.
And this is the
reason, maybe, for which this story is dynamite. Because, it not only changes
our perspective of humankind in the universe, but also, if it is true, is
a threat to us, because of the effect of the passage of this planet,
not only because of the presence of this race in the past on this planet and
their activities on Earth.
Now, I can add
something else. If this planet exists, and it is the ancient planet
adored by the Sumerians and the other civilization, Mesopotamia, it means that
this planet came into the solar system as an intruder.
So, it means that
in the very ancient past, this planet was not part of our solar system. And
this could explain the strange features of our solar system. For example, think
about the planet Uranus. The way he rotates and about the inclination of its
axis about the ecliptic plane. He rotates like this. [demonstrates rotation out
of camera view] The astronomers cannot explain why.
Another mystery is
about what the Jesuit told Barbato about the nature of the Anunnaki. This is a sensitive
point.
KC: What do you
mean by “about the nature of the Anunnaki”?
LS: Yes. About how
they look like. About their history. I mean, read for example The Lost Book
of Enki, one of the most outstanding books written by Zecharia Sitchin.
There are no comments by Sitchin, no comments. No, just a translation from
ancient text. You read that text, and you will see that the ancient history of
those gods, in Mesopotamia, is a history of wars, of Anu’s peoples, of the...
You know, all the evil relationships that we had. And even, many times, you
know, moments of kind... moments of generosity, kindness. Discussions, you
know. Struggles. Moments of peace. Struggles /Moments of peace. You know?
KC: But, tell me
something. You know Barbato has had this information from the Jesuit that he
has not released.
LS: Yes. He told me this.
BR: But there are two entirely different
situations here that are being described. One is the presence of a large
planetary body - whatever it is - that’s coming this way, possibly causing
effects on the sun, possibly causing other effects if its orbit should come
near the Earth ... the problems of Earth changes, resonance effects on the
Earths’ crust. All kinds of things like that.
LS: If this race comes from another star system,
they survived, maybe under the surface, and they have many outposts, maybe even
in our solar system, maybe Mars, maybe, you know, on Jupiter’s satellites. And
maybe, they have outposts even here on Earth, even now.
BR: In the Jesuit
Footage, there’s a small object that is clearly shown. It looks like a small
moon, or space craft, or...
LS: The problem is
that during, you know... The frames are... You know, it’s a footage. So you are
frame-by-frame. You know? We are talking about thousands and thousands of
frames. But the behaviour of that object is not a behaviour of a possible
satellite. Because all of a sudden, the object - the mysterious object -
appears. And after a few seconds, the object disappears.
So, if the footage
is real, is a real observation in deep space of a planetoid, it means that we
are facing a possible space craft which is able to materialize and dematerialize.
The problem is: Is it an authentic footage or a fake?
[laughs] What
Barbato told us is that he checked the credential of his whistleblower, his
deep throat. [speaks slowly and with emphasis] He was really a Jesuit on duty
in the Vatican. This is the most ...
Listen, guys, we have different problems. One is
the coming of Planet X. Another one is that other people decided to do
something. In the countries of the world, we doubt the knowledge of the people.
And maybe these people are responsible for the situation that we are facing
NOW. Maybe - this is my point of view - maybe 9/11 is related to this.
I cannot imagine
that the only reasons for which United States of America are losing so many
lives of his sons, you know, young guys, soldiers, and killing civilians by
chance - not by chance - and losing their reputation in front of the world ...
because in the last years, after 9/11, the US administration lost so many
reputation because of its decisions ... I cannot imagine that the only reasons
are economics. Are, you know, taking advantage of the fuel. No. It is
not possible. Of course, a lot of money, you know, this is one reason. But, you
know, I’m sure that the 9/11, Planet X, and this possible structure are pieces
of one big puzzle. This is my opinon.
Amy