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[Alan Cornette]

Thanks for the explanations, Andy, and all on the link concerning the dark star site. Being a part of discussions for about 12 years has been like part of a college degree in a plethora of related subjects. I've learned to debate, discuss, and value just about all input. More than once, some on this site have held that heavy hammer over my head when I went a little too far without evidence of some type. I appreciate all the 'teachers' out there that have helped me along this path.

     I've concluded that, as Sitchin has stated, that all calendars have had a point zero, day one beginning based upon an event. The Mayan calendar is no exception. The knowledge for this complex instrument had to have been imported to Central America. The event was probably (we cannot be sure of this even) a collision of catastrophic proportion that occurred around 3100BCE. That's close enough to 3114BCE when the calendar began. The legends of Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan/Votan (the same person) involve more than we realize. Statements by several Spanish chroniclers and various other sources tell of the arrival in the Yucatan of a man sent by God to "people and parcel out the land that is now called America." This was probably Thoth of Egypt, as Sitchin explains, who had a disagreement with his brother Marduk - of Babylon at that time. Other sources state: "Votan (Kukulkan) supposedly made four trips guiding immigrants to the new lands of what is now CA.

     This, I believe, is the big event, the zero point, day one, of the Mayan calendar, and it was, of course, based upon the Precession of the Equinoxes - a cosmic connection which was handed down to the Olmec, Toltec, and Maya. The prime reason the Maya were trained in astronomy was to keep the accuracy of the calendar. So, we relax, it's just a calendar that happens to end at the ending period of a complete cycle of the precessional process - in 2012, or close to this date as there is still debate as to the accuracy of it's beginning. 

     The most exciting question is, or course, what is going to happen after this ending date? I also believe plans were made by (who knows for sure) the Anunnaki to return for unknown reasons.  The calendar can continue, of course, but my speculation is that somewhere near this ending date another event could take place that would cause a correction of the calendar as any small cosmic change (even in seconds) in earth's rotation period or speed around the sun would require a correction in the calendar.

 

Just some thoughts.  Al C.

    

 

[semaj...@googlemail.com]

Alan, I think you read my mind and worded it better than I could!
Great reading!

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[Andy Z]

I've been thinking along similar lines in the last couple of days, mainly as I try to get my thoughts in order for presenting a lecture at the Rome Planet X conference at the end of the month.  I agree Al, Sitchin's markers tend to collect around calendar beginnings (although he steered clear of the obvious Christian calendar start) and perhaps the Mayan 'resetting' of the clock has the same sense to it.  We're living through a period in history with unprecedented access to scientific data about the outer solar system.  Is it merely a coincidence that the 2012 mayan date takes place at such a time? 
 
Let us say that WISE was to discover Sitchin's planet, in whatever form it may take (and orbital length etc which he would have been wiser to keep an open mind on, I think).  Let us say that as the world's most powerful telescopes tune into this new planet they discover clues that indicate life.  Life, for the first time in history, outside our planet's confines!  Would that not be momentous?  Let us go further, and consider our cultural reaction should those peering scientific eyes, many independent of government and other interfering bodies, were to pick up alien communications.  Would that not overturn just about everything?  Would that not draw forth a whole new age of thought and understanding? 
 
Well, it might never happen, but I think our world would face a revolution in its understanding of itself and its place in the Cosmos.  And perhaps that is what was foreseen.

Many thanks,

Andy Lloyd

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'The Dark Star Theory'
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[Barry Warmkessel]

First, I want to make it clear that I did not suggest that the Mayan calendar was in play in this analysis.  However,I did point out that:

2012 End-of-the-World Countdown Based on Mayan Calendar Starts Today - 21 Dec. 2011. "Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax," scientists wrote. "There is no factual basis for these claims. If Nibiru or Planet X were real and headed for an encounter with the Earth in 2012, astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye.

However, I am aware of the Mayan calendar and I have linked it to the Bible Code on my other web site that is not up yet. Fortunately, someone else copied my work.   So see:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/astrometrics/fear.htm#4

4. THE ALIENS OF THE ARK

This makes the argument that the source of the Bible Code as found in the Hebrew Pentateuch is of alien origin. The aliens built Noah's Ark. The aliens warned Moses, of these impact events.

http://barry.warmkessel.com/5related.html#c

THE EXODUS

•  MOSES' COMET by Mike Baillie

However, what is up is the following.

http://barry.warmkessel.com/1999Paper.html

This work neither espouses nor endorses any religion. However, the Book of Mormon alleges that part of the tribe of Joseph, migrated to America (circa 600 BC).⁷⁵They may have created the Izapan culture that had its hey day 500 BC to 100 AD. They may have carried knowledge of the Bible Code's 2012 end date with them. The Mayan calendar's 2012 end date can be traced⁷⁶ directly to Izapa legends.) If so,then is it just from the Bible Code?

If the Mayan calendar end date is from the Bible Code, then it is single sourced.  If it is from an independent analysis or 'revelation', then the  2012 date is double sourced and is even more serious.

But neither the Mayan calendar nor the Bible Code is where my information comes from. Rather it is from the Avebury Manor crop circle and that is a current warning.  And why should that be believed?  Well, because the the leading edge of the comet swarm depicted in that crop circle hit the Sun about when predicted:

• Sundiving Comet Storm - Jan. 12, 2011
  The storm began on Dec 13th and ended on the 22nd. (The leading edge of the B comet swarm hits perihelion.)
• Estimate for comet swarm's leading edge to hit perihelion (Avebury Manor Crop Circle.) - end Feb 2011.

And because we saw impacts  at the proper place (date) in Earth's orbit during September 5 -8 2010.

3 IMPACT THREAT: 09/07/ +/- 6 days.

• 09 Sep. 2008 - Fireball Outburst
• 05 Sep. 2010 - 100 Meters Impact Crater In San Joaquin Municipality, Colombia.
• 05 Sep. 2010* - Smaller Meteor Impact Belo Horizontein, Brasil
• 06 Sep. 2010* - Fireball Crashed Into Colombian Mountain.
• 07 Sep. 2010* - Meteorite Caused Southwestern Colombian Province Explosion.
• 08 Sep. 2010* - Giant Fireball in Colombia & Asteroid 2010RF12

What  is even worse, these were only meager impacts.

COSMIC; WRETCHED. - MEAGER YEAR 2010 - GOD, YEAR 2012, GOD. - cosmic, wretched - comet - for bitter, impact - meager year 5770 (2010) - word of God - God, Year 5772 (2012), God - and the blood will be throughout the Earth

[semaj...@googlemail.com]

I apologise for the miss understanding barry, I was answering andy's mail about 2012 and marshall masters. I didn't implicate in any way it was tied to your work.

P.s I still don't think nibiru is a comet swarm :)

Kindest regards
Wayne

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[Lee]

All I can add is that Andy doesn't have 3751 in his email address for no apparent reason.  Like Andy, I also think that the DS system which includes Nibiru is inbound, but at least 1500 years away from perihelion in our neck of the woods.  That doesn't mean that we might not get confirmation of its existence in our lifetimes, though. 

 

However, I have no confidence that the powers that be will be up front in telling us, and I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't already know the facts of the matter!  There's no doubt that other collision debris is in a similar elliptical orbit and we should pay attention to these objects as they cross our path...

--Lee

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Thanks for the explanations, Andy, and all on the link concerning the dark star site. Being a part of discussions for about 12 years has been like part of a college degree in a plethora of related subjects. I've learned to debate, discuss, and value just about all input. More than once, some on this site have held that heavy hammer over my head when I went a little too far without evidence of some type. I appreciate all the 'teachers' out there that have helped me along this path.

     I've concluded that, as Sitchin has stated, that all calendars have had a point zero, day one beginning based upon an event. The Mayan calendar is no exception. The knowledge for this complex instrument had to have been imported to Central America. The event was probably (we cannot be sure of this even) a collision of catastrophic proportion that occurred around 3100BCE. That's close enough to 3114BCE when the calendar began. The legends of Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan/Votan (the same person) involve more than we realize. Statements by several Spanish chroniclers and various other sources tell of the arrival in the Yucatan of a man sent by God to "people and parcel out the land that is now called America." This was probably Thoth of Egypt, as Sitchin explains, who had a disagreement with his brother Marduk - of Babylon at that time. Other sources state: "Votan (Kukulkan) supposedly made four trips guiding immigrants to the new lands of what is now CA.

     This, I believe, is the big event, the zero point, day one, of the Mayan calendar, and it was, of course, based upon the Precession of the Equinoxes - a cosmic connection which was handed down to the Olmec, Toltec, and Maya. The prime reason the Maya were trained in astronomy was to keep the accuracy of the calendar. So, we relax, it's just a calendar that happens to end at the ending period of a complete cycle of the precessional process - in 2012, or close to this date as there is still debate as to the accuracy of it's beginning. 

     The most exciting question is, or course, what is going to happen after this ending date? I also believe plans were made by (who knows for sure) the Anunnaki to return for unknown reasons.  The calendar can continue, of course, but my speculation is that somewhere near this ending date another event could take place that would cause a correction of the calendar as any small cosmic change (even in seconds) in earth's rotation period or speed around the sun would require a correction in the calendar.

 

Just some thoughts.  Al C.

    

 

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[Alan Cornette]

I agree Damon:  No better time to end the calendar. "They" know something we don't. I don't think its coincidence that many things are coming together at this time. 

Al C.

[gitan1234]

Sitchin reckoned Nibiru is 900 years or so out, inward bound. Didn't Nostradamus predict that the end of the world will be in 3700s ... various dates are given in that century, but 3751 and 3796 are two I have seen.
Gita.

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[Barry Warmkessel]

 "Didn't Nostradamus predict that the end of the world will be in 3700s ... various dates are given in that century, but 3751 and 3796 are two I have seen."

http://barry.warmkessel.com/1999PPaper.html#A

APPENDIX A
NOSTRADAMUS' IMPACT PREDICTIONS

PF 61-62
J'ai compose' des livres de prophetcies contenant chacun cent quatrains astronomiques de prophecies, lesquelles qui j'ai voulu rabouter obscurement: & ils sont perpetuelles vaticinations, pour ici a l'anée 3797.

I have compiled some books of prophecies, each one containing a hundred astronomical quatrains composed of prophecies that I would like to render obscure and there are perpetual variations extending for now to the year 3797.

Nostradamus wrote this preface to his prophecies and the first three sets of 100 quatrains in 1555. They extend to the "end?" of mankind in 3797 when swarm A will again threaten ( at the time of this writing we calculated it would be in 3677 - but the swarms can vary up to 200 years from our nominal calculations).

This is what we think that one will be like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDQB7jFm3gQ&feature=player_embedded#!

Meteorite Collision

[mk23666]

If Sitchin is correct then we may possibly live to see the return of
the Gods.

Biblically speaking the return of Jesus takes place one thousand years
(give or take) before the New Jerusalem comes down to Earth and God(s)
will dwell with man forevermore. So if Nibiru (Heaven?) is 900+/-
years out we could be hearing from our former makers soon enough. My
question tho about the dating of the "Event/Advent" is this, "Are we
counting down to when Nibiru will be again visible in the night sky,
or are we counting down to when Nibiru will be at perihelion? I would
believe there is somewhat of a difference."

On Jan 7, 10:30 pm, gitan1234 <gitan1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Sitchin reckoned Nibiru is 900 years or so out, inward bound. Didn't Nostradamus predict that the end of the world will be in 3700s ... various dates are given in that century, but 3751 and 3796 are two I have seen.
> Gita.
>
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[Lee]

I think we're counting down to when the Anunnaki are techincally capable of getting back here, regardless of how far Nibiru is from Earth at that point--Lee

[semaj...@googlemail.com]

Yeah I have to agree with lee on this one, that's why I choose to believe that the crossing point is reference to the galaxy rather than the solar system itself. The point being with a 2000 year life span or larger as some biblical pages state, even 1 or 2 light years is within there travelling range of a lifetime for them.
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[Lee]

Here's the way Sitchin claims they came in the frist time.  Nibiru is nowhere to be seen in the map and seems to be well outside of the solar system:

SOURCE: http://sabbathrock.com/creation.asp

Spacemap recorded by Sumerians of Nibiran Lords' route map to Earth from Nibiru to the passage between Jupiter and Mars. Segments are arranged in the sequence of approaching Earth. line at 45 degees shows spaceship coming though vapor. [Sitchin 1978, The 12th Planet, page 274]

--Lee
PS:  I don't necessarily agree with the religious statements on the site, but can't find the map online anywhere else...

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>Yeah I have to agree with lee on this one, that's why I choose to believe that the crossing point is reference to the galaxy rather than the solar system itself. The point being with a 2000 year life span or larger as some biblical pages state, even 1 or 2 light years is within there travelling range of a lifetime for them.
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>I think we're counting down to when the Anunnaki are techincally capable of getting back here, regardless of how far Nibiru is from Earth at that point--Lee
>
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>>From: mk23666
>>Sent: Jan 9, 2012 4:54 PM
>>To: Dark Star Planet X
>>Subject: Re: This site
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>>If Sitchin is correct then we may possibly live to see the return of
>>the Gods.
>>
>>Biblically speaking the return of Jesus takes place one thousand years
>>(give or take) before the New Jerusalem comes down to Earth and God(s)

>>will dwell with man forevermore. So if Nibiru (Heaven?) is 900 /-

>>years out we could be hearing from our former makers soon enough. My
>>question tho about the dating of the "Event/Advent" is this, "Are we
>>counting down to when Nibiru will be again visible in the night sky,
>>or are we counting down to when Nibiru will be at perihelion? I would
>>believe there is somewhat of a difference."
>>

>>On Jan 7, 10:30 pm, gitan1234 wrote:
>>> Sitchin reckoned Nibiru is 900 years or so out, inward bound. Didn't Nostradamus predict that the end of the world will be in 3700s ... various dates are given in that century, but 3751 and 3796 are two I have seen.
>>> Gita.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>> From: Lee

>>> To: andy3...@hotmail.com; semajen...@googlemail.com; alancorne...@gmail.com; dark-star...@googlegroups.com;
>>> Subject: RE: This site
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Lee mate I can't make out the map I'm on my blackberry at the moment, what would be interesting to know is the crafts vector on the map as it approaches into Jupiter orbit (basically if they used jupiter as a slowing force or not) this would give an idea of what level of technology they have available. ;)

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[Lee]

In Sitchin's hardcopy 12th Planet on p. 249 he says:  "The anged line, then, connects what we believe to have been the Twelfth Planet...with Earth's skies.  The route passes between two celestial bodies-- Dilgan and Apin."  On p. 250 he goes on to say:  "The meanings of the names indicate way stations, points passed by.  We tend to agree with such authorities as Thompson, Epping, and Strassmaier, who identified Apin as the planet Mars.  If so, the meaning of the sketch becomes clear:  The route between the Planet of Kingship and the skies above Earth passed bertween Jupiter ('the first station') and Mars ('where the course is set').

 

Sounds to me like they passed right through the hammered bracelet!

--Lee

[Damon Elkins]

On 1/9/2012 6:05 PM, Lee wrote:
> I think we're counting down to when the Anunnaki are techincally capable of getting back here, regardless of how far Nibiru is from Earth at that point--Lee

The Anunnaki were technically capable of making a voyage to Earth to
confirm that it's a source for gold before bringing 600 "people" to
Earth and Mars to mine the gold and manage a waystation on Mars.
If you are waiting for the 'naki to become technically capable of coming
here, you are about a half million years late.
However, it's an expensive voyage which requires too many resources for
just a lark visit when Nibiru is on the aphelion portion of its orbit of
the Sun.
Damon

[Lee]

I have no doubt they were capable then, and depending on tech upgrades over millenia, they may be able to get here from a further distance at this point. The question is when and if they have any desire to return...

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[semaj...@aol.com]

Well that sounds logical, if presuming your coming from a good distance away you could approach jupiter in a reverse orbit using it as a break to slow the craft to a more manageable speed and then on to mars to then use that plant as a second breaking system and to also correct any orbital approach needed to get to earth, assuming the planets are in the right position, timing would need to be pretty exact if coming from anything greater than 2 light years...they would also need some pretty advanced telescope technology or some sort of observatory ability to make the calculations pre-hand and to know earth was here in the first place, but i think its safe to say at that time they where not really more than 100-200 years ahead of the technology we have now, the first journey they made would of put them within that technical range 400,000 years ago when allegedly they first came to earth, so if presuming the reason they left is that we where originally part of the sag dwarf galaxy (the last crossing being about that same time 400,000 years ago) then we now should be close to being within range once again as we approach the milkyway galactic disc once again...only one problem with this idea is that in 400,000 years you would presume there technology would of advanced way way past there ability of that date and hence they should be capable of reaching earth from almost anywhere, the only reason I could think of why they haven't returned already is that we have been left to develop in our own way, with just a little guidance from biblical peeps that crop up in these books. or maybe they have met a terrible catastrophe themselves and been wiped out, We know from writing that there planet was already under threat!

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In Sitchin's hardcopy 12th Planet on p. 249 he says:  "The anged line, then, connects what we believe to have been the Twelfth Planet...with Earth's skies.  The route passes between two celestial bodies-- Dilgan and Apin."  On p. 250 he goes on to say:  "The meanings of the names indicate way stations, points passed by.  We tend to agree with such authorities as Thompson, Epping, and Strassmaier, who identified Apin as the planet Mars.  If so, the meaning of the sketch becomes clear:  The route between the Planet of Kingship and the skies above Earth passed bertween Jupiter ('the first station') and Mars ('where the course is set').
 
Sounds to me like they passed right through the hammered bracelet!
--Lee

-----Original Message----- From: semaj...@aol.com Sent: Jan 9, 2012 8:38 PM To: zle...@peoplepc.com, dark-star...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: This site Lee mate I can't make out the map I'm on my blackberry at the moment, what would be interesting to know is the crafts vector on the map as it approaches into Jupiter orbit (basically if they used jupiter as a slowing force or not) this would give an idea of what level of technology they have available. ;) ------------------ From: Lee <zle...@peoplepc.com> Sender: dark-star...@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:18:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: <semaj...@googlemail.com>; <dark-star...@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: zle...@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: This site Here's the way Sitchin claims they came in the frist time.  Nibiru is nowhere to be seen in the map and seems to be well outside of the solar system: SOURCE: http://sabbathrock.com/creation.asp

Spacemap recorded by Sumerians of Nibiran Lords' route map to Earth from Nibiru to the passage between Jupiter and Mars. Segments are arranged in the sequence of approaching Earth. line at 45 degees shows spaceship coming though vapor. [Sitchin 1978, The 12th Planet, page 274]

--Lee PS:  I don't necessarily agree with the religious statements on the site, but can't find the map online anywhere else.
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[Lee]

If tge gold corrected their atmospheric problem and they still exist, perhaps there is no interest in returning. If they did, I'm sure they would be shocked! They have probably advanced enough to pick up our tv, radio and other signals from afar -- perhaps they're peeking at our DS blog??
--Lee

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>Well that sounds logical, if presuming your coming from a good distance away you could approach jupiter in a reverse orbit using it as a break to slow the craft to a more manageable speed and then on to mars to then use that plant as a second breaking system and to also correct any orbital approach needed to get to earth, assuming the planets are in the right position, timing would need to be pretty exact if coming from anything greater than 2 light years...they would also need some pretty advanced telescope technology or some sort of observatory ability to make the calculations pre-hand and to know earth was here in the first place, but i think its safe to say at that time they where not really more than 100-200 years ahead of the technology we have now, the first journey they made would of put them within that technical range 400,000 years ago when allegedly they first came to earth, so if presuming the reason they left is that we where originally part of the sag dwarf galaxy (the last crossing being about that same time 400,000 years ago) then we now should be close to being within range once again as we approach the milkyway galactic disc once again...only one problem with this idea is that in 400,000 years you would presume there technology would of advanced way way past there ability of that date and hence they should be capable of reaching earth from almost anywhere, the only reason I could think of why they haven't returned already is that we have been left to develop in our own way, with just a little guidance from biblical peeps that crop up in these books. or maybe they have met a terrible catastrophe themselves and been wiped out, We know from writing that there planet was already under threat!
>------Original Message------
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>
>In Sitchin's hardcopy 12th Planet on p. 249 he says:  "The anged line, then, connects what we believe to have been the Twelfth Planet...with Earth's skies.  The route passes between two celestial bodies-- Dilgan and Apin."  On p. 250 he goes on to say:  "The meanings of the names indicate way stations, points passed by.  We tend to agree with such authorities as Thompson, Epping, and Strassmaier, who identified Apin as the planet Mars.  If so, the meaning of the sketch becomes clear:  The route between the Planet of Kingship and the skies above Earth passed bertween Jupiter ('the first station') and Mars ('where the course is set').
> 
>Sounds to me like they passed right through the hammered bracelet!
>--Lee
>
>-----Original Message----- From: semaj...@aol.com Sent: Jan 9, 2012 8:38 PM To: zle...@peoplepc.com, dark-star...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: This site Lee mate I can't make out the map I'm on my blackberry at the moment, what would be interesting to know is the crafts vector on the map as it approaches into Jupiter orbit (basically if they used jupiter as a slowing force or not) this would give an idea of what level of technology they have available. ;) ------------------ From: Lee <zle...@peoplepc.com> Sender: dark-star...@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:18:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: <semaj...@googlemail.com>; <dark-star...@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: zle...@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: This site Here's the way Sitchin claims they came in the frist time.  Nibiru is nowhere to be seen in the map and seems to be well outside of the solar system: SOURCE: http://sabbathrock.com/creation.asp
>Spacemap recorded by Sumerians of Nibiran Lords' route map to Earth from Nibiru to the passage between Jupiter and Mars. Segments are arranged in the sequence of approaching Earth. line at 45 degees shows spaceship coming though vapor. [Sitchin 1978, The 12th Planet, page 274]
>
>--Lee PS:  I don't necessarily agree with the religious statements on the site, but can't find the map online anywhere else.
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[John Keebaugh]

I'm pretty sure the "I Love Lucy" episodes have scared them off for good. I
think they became convinced Lucy could singlehandedly disrupt and destroy
any attempt at taking over the planet merely by misinterpreting something in
the orders and then taking action. <grin>

Maybe they have received Peter Seller's work in the Pink Panther movie
series. He, too, would convince them to run away!

Proof? We have no evidence from artifacts used by Sitchen and all the others
that the Anunnaki had a sense of humor or understood humor. Thus, Lucy (and
Inspector Clouseau) would appear completely unstoppable when it comes to
disrupting the plans of others.

And so they were.

Thanks!
John Keebaugh

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[Lee]

To the Moon, Alice!!--Lee

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[semaj...@aol.com]

You know lee that's not a bad idea at all, if I may quote charles darwin.

"Its not the strongest that survives, its not the most intelligent, its the most adaptable."

I believe it was and still is in our best interest to begin colonising the moon as soon as possible, no matter what the dangers! until we do that then we are seriously limited in our adaptability, also we must not become too dependent on technology, to limit ones function in such a way is too greatly restrict ones adaptability and risk losing knowledge as we already seem to have in the past here on earth.

So yeah "To the moon lee, to the moon" aha :)

Kind regards
Wayne j
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[Damon Elkins]

On 1/10/2012 7:34 AM, semaj...@aol.com wrote:

I believe it was and still is in our best interest to begin colonising the moon as soon as possible, no matter what the dangers! until we do that then we are seriously limited in our adaptability, also we must not become too dependent on technology,

Seems to me that a colony on the moon would require very heavy investment and dependency on technology to survive...much less be able to return to Earth one day.
Therefore, very little time to just sit and contemplate metaphysics or philosophy or any of the things which only become important after physical needs to sustain life are met.
I have little desire to live on a dead rock with insufficient oxygen to support life as we know it, no food, no easy access to water, and no hope for existence beyond subsistence level.
Having said that, I wouldn't mind visiting it, but not to stay there.
Damon

[Andy Z]

This is off-topic week!  lol  Great to see everyone getting stuck into this eclectic discussion so passionately.  You know, the way the world is going the only country who will be capable of going to the Moon and doing anything there of interest is China.  Two reasons - (1) money, and lots of it - which the West no longer has - and (2) a pragmatic disregard for life. The Chinese will be far more willing to risk the lives of their astronauts than the first space-faring nations were.  As the Chinese empire expands globally (think sovereign wealth plus what's going on in Africa re. Chinese economic investment) then outer space may be the next frontier.  It'll certainly unsettle America's DoD to see China expanding so aggressively into space. But what can they do about it?

ny thanks,

Andy Lloyd

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[semaj...@googlemail.com]

That's the challenge damon, to make it livable And comfortable to a human standard without being too dependent on tech, (I would find it top of my agenda and thrive on the challenge) not only would it drive me forward it would give humanity hope and show them mankind can unite and grow beyond the confides of earth, let's face it the moon is the first step, if we can't colonise the moon then we have little hope of reaching other planets more distant.

Example of use of technology :- what took nasa billions of dollars to achieve was a photo of our upper atmosphere, this was recently achieved by a couple of guys messing about with a balloon and a mobile phone...now to me that's adaptability and shows the capability and resourcefulness of humanity if used to its full potential.

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Lol, sorry andy mate, I think i should change my name to wayne off topic james :)

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[Damon Elkins]

On 1/10/2012 10:17 AM, Andy Z wrote:

  It'll certainly unsettle America's DoD to see China expanding so aggressively into space. But what can they do about it?

ny thanks,

Andy Lloyd

America isn't dead yet, though it is on its way through socialism.
The first step is to get back to free enterprise and reduced taxation so that people will have incentive to produce.
Then, and only then, will America be able to return to a respectable place in the world.
Damon

[Eric]

Neo-liberal, drank the Milton Friedman cool-aid nonsense. There is not ONE example, EVER, of deregulated free-market policies "growing" an economy. It is a pipe dream, a fantasy, an unproved theory gone wild.  We need to reinstate the same protectionist, infant industry policies that made us AND now China rich in the first place.  That is the only way to restore a working class..   Read the book exceptional and award winning book  "Bad Samaritans" for the real story..

[semaj...@googlemail.com]

A deregulated free market would be a positive move forward if it could be made to function properly without corruption, a step towards mankind actually realising capitalism is not the answer to our problems, the truth is it creates more problems than it solves.

A step backwards is also not america's solution, the situation you have in america is that you boomed at the end of the war and now your economy is settling to a level where it cannot sustain its former glory (this happens to every nation rising, what goes up must come down). Those days are gone and its time to look for a solution and I believe your government know capitalism is not the answer, it served you well when you had it but now its turned round and bit you in the ass hasn't it :)

Karl marx wasn't far off and communism isn't as bad as it sounds, after all rationing sustained britain through the war and look at what britain achieved, against a far superior enemy it stood alone for half the war fighting against all odds (the rationing bought unity and strength to the britain people), also look at china now! But and a big but is that communism needs to be international for it to function properly, I think with a little incentive added and variation (somewhere between capitalism and communism) we can find a way forward that will not have any restrictions on mankind's ability to develop, these implications may seem radical but consider the benefits!

Change is inevitable, the only thing that matters is how you accept that change.

Kind regards
Wayne J

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[Lee]

...at least by the time we Westerners get back there, we'll be able to order take-out!--Lee

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This is off-topic week!  lol  Great to see everyone getting stuck into this eclectic discussion so passionately.  You know, the way the world is going the only country who will be capable of going to the Moon and doing anything there of interest is China.  Two reasons - (1) money, and lots of it - which the West no longer has - and (2) a pragmatic disregard for life. The Chinese will be far more willing to risk the lives of their astronauts than the first space-faring nations were.  As the Chinese empire expands globally (think sovereign wealth plus what's going on in Africa re. Chinese economic investment) then outer space may be the next frontier.  It'll certainly unsettle America's DoD to see China expanding so aggressively into space. But what can they do about it?

ny thanks,

Andy Lloyd

Author and artist,

'The Dark Star Theory'
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On 1/10/2012 7:34 AM, semaj...@aol.com wrote:

I believe it was and still is in our best interest to begin colonising the moon as soon as possible, no matter what the dangers! until we do that then we are seriously limited in our adaptability, also we must not become too dependent on technology,

Seems to me that a colony on the moon would require very heavy investment and dependency on technology to survive...much less be able to return to Earth one day.
Therefore, very little time to just sit and contemplate metaphysics or philosophy or any of the things which only become important after physical needs to sustain life are met.
I have little desire to live on a dead rock with insufficient oxygen to support life as we know it, no food, no easy access to water, and no hope for existence beyond subsistence level.
Having said that, I wouldn't mind visiting it, but not to stay there.

Damon

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[Andy Z]

Well, while we're off in the thicket this week... America and the UK certainly need to start buying their own products more, and importing Chinese products less. Much less.  A re-balancing is overdue as our ability to consume our way to growth disintegrates.  I agree with Eric - the Anglo-Saxon neo-liberal approach to deregulation has simply led to the money moving out of our countries and into the hands of economies far more willing to allow the exploitation of their workers.  The German model seems more sensible than ours now, as much as it pains to say it.  But before any of us over here think we can lecture America we've got our own problems to sort out, and Eurogeddon is a very real prospect in 2012 as several nation states in Europe stare into the abyss of bankruptcy.  Communism failed, and I believe that unfettered capitalism has been seen to as well.  In Europe, it'll take everyone's effort just to maintain freedom and democracy here in the face of the centralist technocratic solutions 'on offer'.  The danger in Europe is the rise of authoritarianism, as can currently be seen in Hungary.
 
Many thanks,

Andy 
 

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[Lee]

Let's get rid of the EU and replace it with the WU (Westerners Union).  That'll give China and co. a run for their, oops--I mean our--money!--Lee

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[semaj...@googlemail.com]

Andy is right we are our worst enemy sometimes, we pay farmers to leave land arable while we import heavily.

And lee (big lol) let's just get rid of everything and start a fresh, no borders, no nations, just earth. aha :)

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[semaj...@googlemail.com]

Only one problem is that to me the situation is re-balancing itself, we have lived such rich lives for so long while other nations have sat in poverty, we see it as the way it should be, to me the situation is now re-balancing with china, india now taking there seat, I don't have a problem with it to be honest, I think it part of the bigger picture and can help us all to internationally address this problem we have with our systems, cus in time there economies will fall too and then the table is set for the negotiation of a new world order, what ever that maybe.

Kind regards
Wayne j

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[Alan Cornette]

 Damon and Andy:

    You've hit upon a primary reason for space exploration - the mining of dead satellites such as the moon. Larger asteroids and surely millions of other cosmic bodies not habitable by intelligent life forms, contain elementary elements needed by practically all intelligence in the universe. And dead bodies are the ideal place to get them. Our present situation (Sitchinism) is that we ended up on a beautiful and ideal place to thrive but we resorted to that need to survive by invoking the inherited solution of mining the earth, simply because we did not possess the technology to mine space satellites. My part of the world is being completely destroyed because of mining. We didn't return to the moon because someone else has already staked their claim - probably the same with Mars. I strongly suspect who that may be.  

    The eccentricity of all solar bodies is subject to change if a large body such as Planet X should strike through the heart of our solar plane. We are children of violence destined to suffer through natural calamities. life is a gift most precious as we live the moment, but also a perishable gift, enhanced and replaceable at times by those miners of space and inhabitants of artificial worlds. I believe it was G.K. Chesterton who stated something like "We came to the wrong planet."

    Feeling far out today. Thanks for all the input from this group.  Al C.

 

PS: The corruption factor of man has discredited all decent forms of government. The scary part: If we owe our inheritance to the Anunnaki, we know the origin of this, perhaps universal, aggression characteristic. Remember what happened to Anu's manhood, the body of Osirus, the fate of Zu, the Marduk/Thoth disagreement, and the resulting wars of Marduk wanting to rule, etc, etc, and on and on. I'm looking forward to some type of moral alignment but that may not be possible except in some hereafter, spiritual world.

[Damon Elkins]

On 1/10/2012 11:32 AM, semaj...@googlemail.com wrote:

A deregulated free market would be a positive move forward if it could be made to function properly without corruption, a step towards mankind actually realising capitalism is not the answer to our problems, the truth is it creates more problems than it solves.

A step backwards is also not america's solution, the situation you have in america is that you boomed at the end of the war and now your economy is settling to a level where it cannot sustain its former glory (this happens to every nation rising, what goes up must come down). Those days are gone and its time to look for a solution and I believe your government know capitalism is not the answer, it served you well when you had it but now its turned round and bit you in the ass hasn't it :)

Karl marx wasn't far off and communism isn't as bad as it sounds, after all rationing sustained britain through the war and look at what britain achieved, against a far superior enemy it stood alone for half the war fighting against all odds (the rationing bought unity and strength to the britain people), also look at china now! But and a big but is that communism needs to be international for it to function properly, I think with a little incentive added and variation (somewhere between capitalism and communism) we can find a way forward that will not have any restrictions on mankind's ability to develop, these implications may seem radical but consider the benefits!

Change is inevitable, the only thing that matters is how you accept that change.

Kind regards
Wayne J

Dang, and just as I thought some of your comments were intelligent.
If people haven't learned yet that communism, socialism, Marxism never and I do mean NEVER works, then and only then can we have some semblance of further discussion.
Under those, no one has incentive to excel, and everyone is equally miserable with no reason to work for anything but everyone else's money.
Surefire loser.
End of story, and end of discussion.
Damon

[semaj...@googlemail.com]

Thanks damon I do try to disappoint where ever possible :) lol...I'm not capitalist, I do what I need to obtain what I must in the system I don't support, everything else I do is in support of humanity or the planet itself! I do not support greed, theft, robbery and everything else that capitalism brings to humanity, I believe a human should work towards there goals through enjoyment and motivation from within and not greed motivated! That is very (blinkers on) single minded and capitalistic of you lol, I'm not saying communism has all the answers but I do think karl was onto something when he made his writings.

Let me ask do you think its fair on disabled people who are limited to there ability? How about the blind, is it fair on them, what about a worker in a 3rd world country getting paid 50p a week where a man in england does exactly the same job and gets paid £400 a week!

sure you stand by capitalism now but what if you was one of those less fortunate? I'm sure your tone would change lol :)

I have spent time in poor communities and would spend the rest of my life assisting 3rd world poor people develop if I had the support and I would find it very gratifying and a fulfilling way to spend my life :)

See thing is damon I will never be seduced or fall victim to greed!

When and if the doo doo does hit the fan all that paper will only be good for one thing! Setting it alight and keeping warm ;)

Just my personal opinion and choice.

Through the war britain had no motivation to fight (only communist/socialist style ration systems), they could of given in to the Nazis like the rest of europe but they didn't and they where motivated and far from miserable, I feel blessed and very proud to say those where the people that sacrificed for me to be here now free.

In my communist/socialist style bunker now waiting for damon's capitalist bombs to rain down on me :) lol

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[Damon Elkins]

On 1/10/2012 4:09 PM, semaj...@googlemail.com wrote:

I'm not capitalist, I do what I need to obtain what I must in the system I don't support, everything else I do is in support of humanity or the planet itself!

If you are making a living in a country under capitalism, you should try making it under one which is socialist/Marxist/communist. It might open your eyes to reality.

I do not support greed, theft, robbery and everything else that capitalism brings to humanity,

Capitalism does none of these things. There is greed in humanity, but capitalism is not the culprit.
This is like calling a gun bad. It is but a tool for good or evil.

I believe a human should work towards there goals through enjoyment and motivation from within and not greed motivated!

Tell me what brings more job satisfaction than making money to be used as a tool to achieve whatever your heart desires. Again, money is neither good or evil but merely a tool. It is what is done with it that makes the difference.

That is very (blinkers on) single minded and capitalistic of you lol, I'm not saying communism has all the answers but I do think karl was onto something when he made his writings.

Yes, I agree he was onto something. When considered in its entirety, it is evil misleading propaganda to achieve power over others and to maintain that power through manipulation of peoples' lives.

Let me ask do you think its fair on disabled people who are limited to there ability? How about the blind, is it fair on them, what about a worker in a 3rd world country getting paid 50p a week where a man in england does exactly the same job and gets paid �400 a week!

It is far better to take care of these people under a charitable successful country than under a socialist country where the government neither takes care of its sick and indigent nor its healthy and bright.
Under socialism, there is not enough to go around after the evil leaders take money from workers to build weapons and to maintain power over the people rather than take care of them.
You are either naive or very stupid if you have really studied the results of socialism and its cousins without understanding the faults of the systems which fail again and again and again.

sure you stand by capitalism now but what if you was one of those less fortunate? I'm sure your tone would change lol :)

I am retired, living on fixed income, have had my investment halved a couple of times in the stock market, and have endured the changes in health care which is really the lessening of healthcare in America under a socialist government which makes me madder than hell. I have worked and managed and succeeded under capitalism only to have it stolen late in life due to socialists. That's why I know first hand of what I speak.

I have spent time in poor communities and would spend the rest of my life assisting 3rd world poor people develop if I had the support and I would find it very gratifying and a fulfilling way to spend my life :)

You would assist others if you had the support....oh, wonder where the support comes from...capitalism. Certainly is not from socialism.

See thing is damon I will never be seduced or fall victim to greed!

Well, see I've never been greedy, stolen from others, nor failed to do my duty in helping others. I'm very much in favor of capitalism.
So, you see, I also have first hand knowledge that capitalism does not make people greedy...they either are or are not.
It is the failure of oversight which set Fanny and Freddie on their failing path, and that was done by Barney Frank and others in the socialist camp who did that to all of us.

Just my personal opinion and choice.

You are welcome to your opinion and choice, and I'll fight for your right to such warped thinking, but I won't accept the illogical and unintelligent outcome of that choice.
Surely, you see the error of putting Obama into office by now. If not, then I question your intelligence.

Through the war britain had no motivation to fight (only communist/socialist style ration systems), they could of given in to the Nazis like the rest of europe but they didn't and they where motivated and far from miserable, I feel blessed and very proud to say those where the people that sacrificed for me to be here now free.

Britain was correct to fight the totalitarian government of Hitler, Stalin, et al. Otherwise, you might be speaking German rather than English.
They also had lots of help from the United States, Australia, Russia and others in overcoming the Nazis.
Unfortunately, they have gone way to far toward socialism which is showing the error of their ways now just as it is with all the other countries of the world who've made that mistake.

In my communist/socialist style bunker now waiting for damon's capitalist bombs to rain down on me :) lol

If you stay there long enough, you'll understand the benefit and superiority of capitalism.
Read, study, and learn the truth before you show any further lack of understanding about reality in the world.

Damon

[mk23666]

Uggh, first religion and now politics/economics. Double uggh.

[semaj...@aol.com]

Aha its not me this time! Even though I'm not offended by damons comments, he's entitled to his opinion and so be it.

I accept his points as a valid arguments from a one sided point of view. And feel for his loss and understand that his opinion is purely motivated by his own experiences, as many other people will have that same point of view.

I will never see any benefit or superiority of a failing system that provokes greed, manipulation and corrupt power abuse in the first place, witch is based on capitalism, that's just not logical to me.

Socialism has the same problems too because of the system functioning in a capitalist manor, socialism is a state of transition weather we like it or not its here, communism can not function alongside capitalism, russia was not a pure communist state and neither was china, it makes me laugh when people think that, they hadn't reached a level of development any where near required for it to work or be communism, and as for it being oppressive that's even funnier.

Karl in my opinion was onto a good idea and I for one will certainly not disrespect what he tried to achieve and express to the world, I think he was on the right path! as you state damon I need to study more on the subject, well that maybe but the fact is so do you, with an open mind, communism in his original idea was intended as an international system (world communism, pure communism) a state of development witch may still yet be reached, socialism is already here and running its course and so is a lot of what karl has predicted if you read up on communism with an open mind,
So ironically I know where I stand on this subject.

The point to be made is there is a need for a system that works and capitalism is not it in my opinion.

Kindest regards
Wayne J

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Triple uggh. Life is too short for this. Let's get back to what this board is designed for--Lee

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Quadruple ugh.

[Jolene Rae Harrington]

ROFL on this ludicrous insistence on our President's "socialism." Really, stop trotting out that Fox News propaganda. He of the Bankster Staff... It's crony capitalism, pure and simple. The president is just the symbol, the front man for the corrupt system that's been churning on for the elite for decades. Don't be so simplistic as to blame it on the current "elected" puppet. That said, I'll take a socially liberal agenda over the invasive right any day.
Peace out.

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On 1/10/2012 4:09 PM, semaj...@googlemail.com wrote:

I'm not capitalist, I do what I need to obtain what I must in the system I don't support, everything else I do is in support of humanity or the planet itself!

If you are making a living in a country under capitalism, you should try making it under one which is socialist/Marxist/communist. It might open your eyes to reality.

I do not support greed, theft, robbery and everything else that capitalism brings to humanity,

Capitalism does none of these things. There is greed in humanity, but capitalism is not the culprit.
This is like calling a gun bad. It is but a tool for good or evil.

I believe a human should work towards there goals through enjoyment and motivation from within and not greed motivated!

Tell me what brings more job satisfaction than making money to be used as a tool to achieve whatever your heart desires. Again, money is neither good or evil but merely a tool. It is what is done with it that makes the difference.

That is very (blinkers on) single minded and capitalistic of you lol, I'm not saying communism has all the answers but I do think karl was onto something when he made his writings.

Yes, I agree he was onto something. When considered in its entirety, it is evil misleading propaganda to achieve power over others and to maintain that power through manipulation of peoples' lives.

Let me ask do you think its fair on disabled people who are limited to there ability? How about the blind, is it fair on them, what about a worker in a 3rd world country getting paid 50p a week where a man in england does exactly the same job and gets paid £400 a week!

It is far better to take care of these people under a charitable successful country than under a socialist country where the government neither takes care of its sick and indigent nor its healthy and bright.
Under socialism, there is not enough to go around after the evil leaders take money from workers to build weapons and to maintain power over the people rather than take care of them.
You are either naive or very stupid if you have really studied the results of socialism and its cousins without understanding the faults of the systems which fail again and again and again.

sure you stand by capitalism now but what if you was one of those less fortunate? I'm sure your tone would change lol :)

I am retired, living on fixed income, have had my investment halved a couple of times in the stock market, and have endured the changes in health care which is really the lessening of healthcare in America under a socialist government which makes me madder than hell. I have worked and managed and succeeded under capitalism only to have it stolen late in life due to socialists. That's why I know first hand of what I speak.

I have spent time in poor communities and would spend the rest of my life assisting 3rd world poor people develop if I had the support and I would find it very gratifying and a fulfilling way to spend my life :)

You would assist others if you had the support....oh, wonder where the support comes from...capitalism. Certainly is not from socialism.

See thing is damon I will never be seduced or fall victim to greed!

Well, see I've never been greedy, stolen from others, nor failed to do my duty in helping others. I'm very much in favor of capitalism.
So, you see, I also have first hand knowledge that capitalism does not make people greedy...they either are or are not.
It is the failure of oversight which set Fanny and Freddie on their failing path, and that was done by Barney Frank and others in the socialist camp who did that to all of us.

Just my personal opinion and choice.

You are welcome to your opinion and choice, and I'll fight for your right to such warped thinking, but I won't accept the illogical and unintelligent outcome of that choice.
Surely, you see the error of putting Obama into office by now. If not, then I question your intelligence.

Through the war britain had no motivation to fight (only communist/socialist style ration systems), they could of given in to the Nazis like the rest of europe but they didn't and they where motivated and far from miserable, I feel blessed and very proud to say those where the people that sacrificed for me to be here now free.

Britain was correct to fight the totalitarian government of Hitler, Stalin, et al. Otherwise, you might be speaking German rather than English.
They also had lots of help from the United States, Australia, Russia and others in overcoming the Nazis.
Unfortunately, they have gone way to far toward socialism which is showing the error of their ways now just as it is with all the other countries of the world who've made that mistake.

In my communist/socialist style bunker now waiting for damon's capitalist bombs to rain down on me :) lol

If you stay there long enough, you'll understand the benefit and superiority of capitalism.
Read, study, and learn the truth before you show any further lack of understanding about reality in the world.

Damon

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[semaj...@aol.com]

You know this discussion went from the site, to another subject, then the moon and finally we ended up on economic's, lol! A good debate and some great view points but we are seriously off topic and I want to go to sleep, it has gone a little pair shaped too.

So just to end on a positive here I would like to add that a good friend of mine and a close family friend was the senior lecturer at the london institute of economic's and might I add the chief adviser to the bank of greece before they couldn't afford his fee's anymore, and we all know what happened 4-5 years later the mess they have gotten into, so you can understand that I am nowhere near of his calibre and my views are not his, but when it comes to financial issues I do have an enlightened view point from witch to speculate.

Night all! and tomorrow let's all try to stay on topic, lol.

Kindest regards
Wayne J

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[Andy Z]

OK guys, I think the general feel on the board is to get back to the programme. Religion and politics have their place in all of our lives, but this board isn't set up to deal with these larger issues, unless the conversation pertains to Planet X/ Dark Star/ Anunnaki/related astronomy etc.  Given that Marx, as far as I know, was not an advocate of any of these subjects I think it's fair to say we're now way off topic. 

Many thanks,

Andy 
 
 
 

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> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:46:13 +0000

[Eric]

Damon, that is the point. A deregulated free market CANNOT be made to function without corruption or rather without someone abusing the system.  And frankly, Corruption is a commom conservative boogeyman used erroneously to try and explain the numerous and spectacular failures of extreme free-market policies enacted in many countries over the last 4 decades.  But it is a lie. As Robert Kennedy best described some years ago, the problem with capitalism is that ALL the costs of goods need to be included in the price of the goods, and that means ALL of them, ie pollution, costs of unemployed workers when jobs are shipped off-shore, health costs due to over-work or unsafe conditions, etc. etc.. Without EXTERNAL regulation, companies will never bear those costs, when it is far easier to simply off-load them to the public. That is the FACT about deregulation. It is just Corporate welfare.  This is not to say that capitalism is bad, it is still the best system for inspiring human achievement, but it HAS to be regulated very carefully and pervasively. The most recent bank crash is a perfect example of the absolute NEED for regulation, especially in mission critical infrastructure businesses like banking, transportation and energy.  

But again, the suggestion that there can be unregulated free-market capitalism WITHOUT rampant abuse of the system by corporations is simply ridiculous.  If cows could fly we wouldn't need fertilizer either..

[Eric]

Sorry guys I just read the complaints for the off topic debate..

[Eric]

If the Annunaki still are here or still have influence on this planet (which is likely),  it is then also likely they are behind or in league with the whole new-world order, fascist corporatocracy movement on the planet, and hence maybe this economic/political discussion isn't entirely off-topic.. 

Yuck yuck...

On 1/10/2012 2:09 PM, semaj...@googlemail.com wrote:

[Andy Z]

Actually, that is a good point, Eric.  I'm an eternal pessimist when it comes to economies and an eternal optimist when it comes to people.   There are 7 billion people co-existing on this planet and almost 7 billion of them currently live at peace with one another.  That itself is a remarkable achievement.  Any reading of ancient history, or even as late as mediaeval history, is like poring over a horror book in terms of how people, many supposedly civilised, behaved towards one another.  I guess the first half of the 20th Century wasn't much better.  But right now we all seem to get on pretty well.  In the great scheme of things that feels like something of an achievement, and I suspect the credit can be shared out amongst us all equally.  If the Anunnaki left us to get on with it, and watch us from afar (or maybe closer than we would like) then perhaps only know they are considering the possibility that the human race has grown up a bit.
 
On the other hand, Sitchin writes of war, even nuclear war, among the ET colonists on Earth, and their human subjects.  Ancient Indian texts back up these accounts of the use of what we would now call weapons of mass destruction.  Might it be possible that we have evolved beyond the social capabilities of our masters?  or does Iran's nuclear high-jinks remind us that their genes are never too far below the surface?

Many thanks,

Andy Lloyd

Author and artist,

'The Dark Star Theory'
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk 


 

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:51:23 -0800
From: e...@earthlink.net

To: dark-star...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This site

[Barry Warmkessel]

We call the  Annunaki  the Nommos.  They likely built Noah's Ark.  

They appear to have returned.  Look at the spiral trajectory that is characteristic of their ships during landing (and maybe take-off as well).  The gov. tried to dis-information the most spectacular of these events.  The images are near the bottom of the web page.

http://barry.warmkessel.com/9related.html#b 

ALIEN TECHNOLOGY 

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:51:23 -0800
From: e...@earthlink.net
To: dark-star...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This site

[Belinda McKenzie]

Hi Barry

 

I can’t see anything in your string confirming it is the Anunnaki who/which are responsible for those luminous spirals in the sky. Surely if the Anunnaki were back and forth in ancient times those characteristic spirals would have been recorded in some shape or form. A spiral is not that difficult to reproduce graphically.

 

And who the heck is WE? (as in first line of your last message to group).

 

I dip in and out of this group being busy, please all forgive if I’m wasting time but have never been quite easy in my mind about Barry’s info.

 

Belinda

[Barry Warmkessel]

I can’t see anything in your string confirming it is the Anunnaki who/which are responsible for those luminous spirals in the sky. 

Sorry. The link I sent just contains a bunch of hyper links and images that may or may not be related to alien technology. Here is a link and some material to the analysis of the Noah's Ark artifact that may give you some information.  Temple's book has the related figures but they are purposely hard to reproduce because there are aluminium flakes in them.  The descent is depicted as concentric circles, but if they were the path of descent, they must have been connected in a spiral pattern. Often there is a 'plant' working with UFO researchers to make sure nothing really important gets out.  They may have encouraged him to use these aluminium flakes so he could sell more books.

http://barry.warmkessel.com/NOAH.html#5 

NOAH'S ARK – Verification of Alien Contact

WHO BUILT IT

See Figure 1

They landed on Earth in an "ark" that made a spinning decent with thunderous vibrating noise and wind. The Dogon draw its decent as four concentric circles implying circular motion of the vehicle.² Flight path continuity demands the circles be connected like the UFO's spiral decent depicted in the photograph shown in Figure 1.
The Dogon believe that Sirius B occupied the place where our Sun is now. Clearly this is not literally true. Temple associates another star, Sirius C (Emme Ya) with Sirius B (Digitaria or po tolo).³  

• 
  2. Robert Temple; THE SIRIUS MYSTERY New Scientific Evidence Of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago; Destiny Books, One Park Street, Rochester Vermont, 05767.; 1998; pg. 296. Figure 53.
• 3. Robert Temple; THE SIRIUS MYSTERY New Scientific Evidence Of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago; Op. Cit.; 1998; pp. 68 and 322.

And who the heck is WE? (as in first line of your last message to group). 

We are a loosely connected group of people working on the Vulcan and comets problem. We are mostly retired engineers and scientists but there are some that are still working and do not want their names used on our web pages due to job security issues.

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From: b.mck...@btinternet.com
To: yari...@hotmail.com
CC: dark-star...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: THE ANNUNAKI OR NOMMOS
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:07:45 +0000

Hi Barry

 

I can’t see anything in your string confirming it is the Anunnaki who/which are responsible for those luminous spirals in the sky. Surely if the Anunnaki were back and forth in ancient times those characteristic spirals would have been recorded in some shape or form. A spiral is not that difficult to reproduce graphically.

 

And who the heck is WE? (as in first line of your last message to group).

 

I dip in and out of this group being busy, please all forgive if I’m wasting time but have never been quite easy in my mind about Barry’s info.

 

Belinda

 

From: dark-star...@googlegroups.com [mailto:dark-star...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Warmkessel
Sent: 11 January 2012 22:16
To: Dark Star
Subject: THE ANNUNAKI OR NOMMOS

 

We call the  Annunaki  the Nommos.  They likely built Noah's Ark.  

[sema sema]

That’s pretty much where this subject should be, if in fact the
anunnaki are influencing such things, then its safe to say that like
any good parent they would try to steer their children away from such
problems that they had. Even Barry’s posts and inclusion of Jesus is
relevant in more ways than one. as an avatar he was sent to earth to
guide us away from such failings as the system that was being adopted
by Rome back then and in fact the one we use today.

all though Andy is totally correct that 7 billion people living in
relative harmony is a good thing, one cannot ignore the fact that
governments allow for 20% corruption in the system, this even reflects
into our policing policies and the figures are a lot higher in the
eastern nations, so with that you can understand that there is roughly
about 1.5 billion corrupt and greed motivated people in this world at
minimum, and let’s not forget that there is always a war being thought
somewhere in this world at any one time. And that’s not really
acceptable to me although we don’t currently have a better system.

if in fact the anunnaki have returned already and are watching down on
us, if I was them I would be pleased to the point that so many of us
have turned out good in the face of the options we have. but there is
room for improvement, we haven’t achieved a level of space travel yet
either witch suggests that we are sum what still behind our father
race by at least 200 years or so, our medical ability and genetic
ability state this too, and then we have to consider that they have
been evolving and developing for the time they have been away, we have
advanced enough to understand and learn what they can teach us, but if
it was me up there, I would be very reluctant to teach mankind
anything as powerful as space travel with so many corrupt problems and
the ability to wage war on another for simple things like resources
and religion, it is a very depressing issue for mankind as we are all
the same race, and being a space traveling race (anunnaki) I certainly
wouldn’t want mankind running around the universe with such dangerous
destructive ability, and other races might take action against the
anunnaki for allowing such a thing.

I would be sitting up in the heavens relaying certain issues down to
earth and seeing what happens. I’m sure in my mind that a percentage
of mankind needs correcting or removing from the equation totally for
us to reach the next stage of evolution but we as fellow man are not
qualified to make such choices, let’s hope those people learn and
don’t get us all wiped out for their actions, whether it be a genetic
floor or a social issue. let’s face it a percentage of us and this
includes our government leaders as possible problems, kill each other
for stupid reasons, so what would we do when met with worlds occupied
by a species that we don’t agree with? if I was anunnaki I would not
allow the destructive nature of mankind to reach beyond this planet
until it has resolved its issues from within first.
One such issue is we see the hype of Iran and other countries as
threats, I don’t understand this when it’s us (U.S and the U.K) who
hold the most destructive ability in this world and we can easily wipe
them out if needed, we should not see this hype that we are fed by our
government as anything other than controlled belief/thoughts, just to
slap that country about a bit, for a bit of profit and declare it as
justice when we have no right to do so, and we (U.S and U.K), oh too
often declare war on fellow nations, we are in fact the biggest threat
to this planet at present in my eyes. We all know when a nation goes
to war it has objective profitable reasons, so why do we support the
lies we are fed as people so easily? this is also something that I
would see as a weakness in humanity or our social structure, as we are
too easily lied too and we tend to believe what benefits us most
rather than seeing the truth and learning from it, or even opposing it
in a constructive manner.

We can actually learn from china on this issue, they rarely go to war,
they understand and know war is a very nasty business, it is not
something to take lightly as we westerns do and they tend to tackle
there nations problems before sticking their nose in other nations
issues. I can actually see china becoming a great nation once again,
that old yet ground breaking ability to not wage war is a great factor
and it will invoke trust and support from other nations that will
eventually appose us unless we tackle our problems from within. But
hey if we don’t tackle those problems anyway we may see the anunnaki
wipe the slate clean and start afresh. Either way it’s a world issue
that needs to be tackled constructively before we see any alien life
come to great us.

Just something to think about!

Kind regards
Wayne

On Jan 11, 9:06 pm, Andy Z <andy3...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, that is a good point, Eric.  I'm an eternal pessimist when it comes to economies and an eternal optimist when it comes to people.   There are 7 billion people co-existing on this planet and almost 7 billion of them currently live at peace with one another.  That itself is a remarkable achievement.  Any reading of ancient history, or even as late as mediaeval history, is like poring over a horror book in terms of how people, many supposedly civilised, behaved towards one another.  I guess the first half of the 20th Century wasn't much better.  But right now we all seem to get on pretty well.  In the great scheme of things that feels like something of an achievement, and I suspect the credit can be shared out amongst us all equally.  If the Anunnaki left us to get on with it, and watch us from afar (or maybe closer than we would like) then perhaps only know they are considering the possibility that the human race has grown up a bit.
>
> On the other hand, Sitchin writes of war, even nuclear war, among the ET colonists on Earth, and their human subjects.  Ancient Indian texts back up these accounts of the use of what we would now call weapons of mass destruction.  Might it be possible that we have evolved beyond the social capabilities of our masters?  or does Iran's nuclear high-jinks remind us that their genes are never too far below the surface?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Andy Lloyd
>
> Author and artist,
>
> 'The Dark Star Theory'http://www.darkstar1.co.uk
>

> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:51:23 -0800
> From: e...@earthlink.net
> To: dark-star...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This site
>
> If the Annunaki still are here or still have influence on this planet (which is likely),  it is then also likely they are behind or in league with the whole new-world order, fascist corporatocracy movement on the planet, and hence maybe this economic/political discussion isn't entirely off-topic..
>
> Yuck yuck...
>

> On 1/10/2012 2:09 PM, semajen...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Thanks damon I do try to disappoint where ever possible :) lol...I'm not capitalist, I do what I need to obtain what I must in the system I don't support, everything else I do is in support of humanity or the planet itself! I do not support greed, theft, robbery and everything else that capitalism brings to humanity, I believe a human should work towards there goals through enjoyment and motivation from within and not greed motivated! That is very (blinkers on) single minded and capitalistic of you lol, I'm not saying communism has all the answers but I do think karl was onto something when he made his writings.
>
> Let me ask do you think its fair on disabled people who are limited to there ability? How about the blind, is it fair on them, what about a worker in a 3rd world country getting paid 50p a week where a man in england does exactly the same job and gets paid £400 a week!
>
> sure you stand by capitalism now but what if you was one of those less fortunate? I'm sure your tone would change lol :)
>
> I have spent time in poor communities and would spend the rest of my life assisting 3rd world poor people develop if I had the support and I would find it very gratifying and a fulfilling way to spend my life :)
>
> See thing is damon I will never be seduced or fall victim to greed!
>
> When and if the doo doo does hit the fan all that paper will only be good for one thing! Setting it alight and keeping warm ;)
>
> Just my personal opinion and choice.
>
> Through the war britain had no motivation to fight (only communist/socialist style ration systems), they could of given in to the Nazis like the rest of europe but they didn't and they where motivated and far from miserable, I feel blessed and very proud to say those where the people that sacrificed for me to be here now free.
>
> In my communist/socialist style bunker now waiting for damon's capitalist bombs to rain down on me :) lol
>
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> From: Damon Elkins <dl...@swbell.net>
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> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:06:08 -0600
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> ReplyTo: dl...@swbell.net
> Subject: Re: This site
>

> On 1/10/2012 11:32 AM, semajen...@googlemail.com wrote:
> A deregulated free market would be a positive move forward if it could be made to function properly without corruption, a step towards mankind actually realising capitalism is not the answer to our problems, the truth is it creates more problems than it solves.
>
> A step backwards is also not america's solution, the situation you have in america is that you boomed at the end of the war and now your economy is settling to a level where it cannot sustain its former glory (this happens to every nation rising, what goes up must come down). Those days are gone and its time to look for a solution and I believe your government know capitalism is not the answer, it served you well when you had it but now its turned round and bit you in the ass hasn't it :)
>
> Karl marx wasn't far off and communism isn't as bad as it sounds, after all rationing sustained britain through the war and look at what britain achieved, against a far superior enemy it stood alone for half the war fighting against all odds (the rationing bought unity and strength to the britain people), also look at china now! But and a big but is that communism needs to be international for it to function properly, I think with a little incentive added and variation (somewhere between capitalism and communism) we can find a way forward that will not have any restrictions on mankind's ability to develop, these implications may seem radical but consider the benefits!
>
> Change is inevitable, the only thing that matters is how you accept that change.
>
> Kind regards
> Wayne J
> Dang, and just as I thought some of your comments were intelligent.
> If people haven't learned yet that communism, socialism, Marxism never and I do mean NEVER works, then and only then can we have some semblance of further discussion.
> Under those, no one has incentive to excel, and everyone is equally miserable with no reason to work for anything but everyone else's money.
> Surefire loser.
> End of story, and end of discussion.
> Damon
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Also while thinking about it, its possible that Buddha and jesus where sent to earth not by the anunnaki but by a higher power to try to guide us away from such war like tendencies and they may have already taken action against the anunnaki. Mankind being the innocent in all that, we may have been given a chance to change our ways and judgement day will come to us in the near future.
Who knows huh!

Kind regards

Wayne
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[mk23666]

I could swear Sitchin suggests that the "Event" that took place in
starting the Meso American calenders had to do with the Exodus of
Thoth and his followers out of Egypt and into Meso America.