Solar Poles to flip next month
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innpkg
Apr 22, 2012, 9:47:17 PM4/22/12
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Per Japanese scientists, ..... there will be FOUR poles.Wonder how this will
affect the behavior of the sun?And the earth?
Dutchsinse video:
http://globalrumblings.blogspot.com/2012/04/4212012-solar-poles-to-flip-next-month.html
Interesting.
affect the behavior of the sun?And the earth?
Dutchsinse video:
http://globalrumblings.blogspot.com/2012/04/4212012-solar-poles-to-flip-next-month.html
Interesting.
Lee
Apr 23, 2012, 6:14:17 PM4/23/12
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The $64,000 question is: what is making the Sun do what it's doing? Is it the "fluff" factor, or something else?
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Apr 23, 2012, 7:07:35 PM4/23/12
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Well I think its completely natural to be honest, if you know about electricity then you know its the current flow that denotes north and south poling, that's how electrical companies measure the amount of electricity you use, as the current flows in a circular motion round the electrical cable it rotates at a speed of flow/consumption (example:- old disc meters) so the sun or anything charged will be emitting a magnetic field its pole rotation will flip like clockwork if its output is consistent. The earth's output is not consistent and neither is Jupiter in comparison to the sun, there for pole rotation on earth will take a lot longer and be a lot less predictable due to energy output and mass. Remember the sun has a highly active consistent core activity, meaning nasa is probably right, like clockwork the suns pole will flip and return to its original point over a period of time defined by its mass and energy output, remember energy flow is current not electricity and poles are defined by current, current moves natural circular even though electricity is direct in nature. Also it can be measured as amplitude in Htz (vibration) making it very easy to read and understand.
So it is to me 100% natural, one more positive strike for the electrical universe model!
So it is to me 100% natural, one more positive strike for the electrical universe model!
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From: Lee <zle...@peoplepc.com>
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:14:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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Subject: Re: Solar Poles to flip next month
semaj...@aol.com
Apr 24, 2012, 4:40:20 AM4/24/12
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Please note I simplify things for the reason that all can understand and not just the technical, although you may read this to correct your understanding.
Nice bit of studying for those that, still feel the need to go back to technology college and study a city and guilds 2367 electrical engineering I for one don't have that need, been there done that, I would like to correct a couple of errors that your studies failed to define for you!
Electrical current indeed travels round electrical cables, any engineer in the world can teach you this simple fact. Your power lines are high voltage carrier line (low current) to carry high current along such lines the cable would need to be a lot larger (proportional to its surface area and not its core density) your method is not logical and would not be cost affective at all. The surface area denotes the amount of current a cable can carry not the core density of the wire, due to resisting qualities I.e high grade copper 1.5mm2=17.5A 2.5mm2=28A and so on, as the surface area increases so does its ability to carry larger current!
P.s your electricity meters are not electrical motors lmao, if that where so they would use power themselves while trying to do such a simple task. The principle of how the meter works is the same as a motor but it only uses a single very small fixed magnet, the point I was making was that current flows circular and unfortunately damon you seem to of failed to grasp that. Fixed magnetic fields is nothing like electrical current, 2 totally different concepts, one can only produce a fixed magnet by going through a process involving magnetic electrical current. To think of any planet as a fixed magnet would suggest a non active and solid core, this simply isn't the case.
A fixed magnet is the worst example of electrical current possible cus it simply doesn't work in a fixed way, also coiling cables has a lot more complexities to it than you think (higher resistance as one example) this also is a bad example for a sphere since your looking at electricity in a 2 dimensional way, I guess its difficult for you to understand that with the internet electrical literature, I should refer you too the british IEE 17th edition wiring regulations BS7671. Although any previous regs will help you in this matter and 4 years of study for your basic grade qualification. You can't just pull science off the net and expect to understand it or it be correct, like I said keep it simple, you won't get confused and its a lot easier for the layman to understand.
Kind regards
Wayne
Nice bit of studying for those that, still feel the need to go back to technology college and study a city and guilds 2367 electrical engineering I for one don't have that need, been there done that, I would like to correct a couple of errors that your studies failed to define for you!
Electrical current indeed travels round electrical cables, any engineer in the world can teach you this simple fact. Your power lines are high voltage carrier line (low current) to carry high current along such lines the cable would need to be a lot larger (proportional to its surface area and not its core density) your method is not logical and would not be cost affective at all. The surface area denotes the amount of current a cable can carry not the core density of the wire, due to resisting qualities I.e high grade copper 1.5mm2=17.5A 2.5mm2=28A and so on, as the surface area increases so does its ability to carry larger current!
P.s your electricity meters are not electrical motors lmao, if that where so they would use power themselves while trying to do such a simple task. The principle of how the meter works is the same as a motor but it only uses a single very small fixed magnet, the point I was making was that current flows circular and unfortunately damon you seem to of failed to grasp that. Fixed magnetic fields is nothing like electrical current, 2 totally different concepts, one can only produce a fixed magnet by going through a process involving magnetic electrical current. To think of any planet as a fixed magnet would suggest a non active and solid core, this simply isn't the case.
A fixed magnet is the worst example of electrical current possible cus it simply doesn't work in a fixed way, also coiling cables has a lot more complexities to it than you think (higher resistance as one example) this also is a bad example for a sphere since your looking at electricity in a 2 dimensional way, I guess its difficult for you to understand that with the internet electrical literature, I should refer you too the british IEE 17th edition wiring regulations BS7671. Although any previous regs will help you in this matter and 4 years of study for your basic grade qualification. You can't just pull science off the net and expect to understand it or it be correct, like I said keep it simple, you won't get confused and its a lot easier for the layman to understand.
Kind regards
Wayne
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From: Damon Elkins <dl...@swbell.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 02:39:10 -0500
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Subject: Re: Solar Poles to flip next month
On 4/23/2012 6:07 PM, semaj...@aol.com wrote:
Well I think its completely natural to be honest, if you know about electricity then you know its the current flow that denotes north and south poling, that's how electrical companies measure the amount of electricity you use, as the current flows in a circular motion round the electrical cable it rotates at a speed of flow/consumption (example:- old disc meters) so the sun or anything charged will be emitting a magnetic field its pole rotation will flip like clockwork if its output is consistent. The earth's output is not consistent and neither is Jupiter in comparison to the sun, there for pole rotation on earth will take a lot longer and be a lot less predictable due to energy output and mass. Remember the sun has a highly active consistent core activity, meaning nasa is probably right, like clockwork the suns pole will flip and return to its original point over a period of time defined by its mass and energy output, remember energy flow is current not electricity and poles are defined by current, current moves natural circular even though electricity is direct in nature. Also it can be measured as amplitude in Htz (vibration) making it very easy to read and understand.
So it is to me 100% natural, one more positive strike for the electrical universe model!
Permanent magnets can be obtained or manufactured which have
magnetic polarity without being in the presence of moving current
after being formed. This can be demonstrated with iron filings or
with a nail containing iron material in the presence of these
magnets.
When electric voltage is applied to a conductor such as a copper wire, (electron movement) or current will flow from electrical negative to electrical positive. This flowing current will cause an electro-magnetic field to form around the wire.
If this electro-magnetic field is in close proximity to a permanent magnet or another electro-magnet, relative mechanical movement will occur if one or both of the objects with magnetic effect is free to move.
Bending the conducting wire into a loop which is placed within a magnetic field with one pole on one side of the loop and the opposing magnetic pole on the opposite side of the loop increases the relative mechanical force.
If Earth's magnetic poles were to affect naturally occurring permanent magnet strength or electro-magnets of electric motors, they would have to be much stronger than what is exhibited by a low friction low mass compass.
Electric power from your utility company is billed by calculating Alternating Current multiplied by Alternating Voltage multiplied by Power Factor at a given rate per Kilowatt Hour.
Electric meters are small induction motors with gear reduction to turn a calibrated set of wheels on the readout dials. Speed of the motor is proportional to the amount of power being used, and the readout is usually in kilowatt-hours.
Alternating current is produced by mechanical force obtained from falling water, fossil fuel driven engines, nuclear or coal heat to drive steam turbines or other means to mechanically rotate A.C. Generators with resulting output being relatively high current and relatively low voltage.
This A.C. power is converted to relatively low current, high voltage through step-up transformers to send power via transmission lines over long distances with high efficiency. When the user of electricity at a home or factory has need for power, there are various stages of step-down of voltage with resulting higher current through step-down transformers.
Though this method of transmission is highly efficient, there are losses due to resistance to the flow of current through the conductors of lines and transformers (resulting in heat) and due to impedance of primarily the transformers (another form of restriction to the flow of current resulting in separation of current and voltage peaks with respect to time called inductive reactance). To offset some of this inductive reactance, large capacitors are used which have capacitive reactance to assist in bringing peak current and peak voltage back in phase with each other. Power factor is expressed as the cosine of the phase angle between voltage and current peaks. Operation of high inductance loads such as large electric motors or of many small electric motors imposes inductive loading which requires power factor correction to better utilize power available from the utility.
Current through the A.C. power line is not circular around the conductor. However, high power conducting lines with thousands of volts do carry more current at the surface of the conductor than in the center.
Magnetic lines of force occur at 90 mechanical degrees to the flow of current around and outside the surface of the conductor. (See right-hand rule and left-hand rule for relationship of direction of current flow and magnetic field in motor and in generator action.)
Hope this is helpful info to direct this discussion along scientific lines rather than off on tangents which only obfuscate rather than clarify.
D
When electric voltage is applied to a conductor such as a copper wire, (electron movement) or current will flow from electrical negative to electrical positive. This flowing current will cause an electro-magnetic field to form around the wire.
If this electro-magnetic field is in close proximity to a permanent magnet or another electro-magnet, relative mechanical movement will occur if one or both of the objects with magnetic effect is free to move.
Bending the conducting wire into a loop which is placed within a magnetic field with one pole on one side of the loop and the opposing magnetic pole on the opposite side of the loop increases the relative mechanical force.
If Earth's magnetic poles were to affect naturally occurring permanent magnet strength or electro-magnets of electric motors, they would have to be much stronger than what is exhibited by a low friction low mass compass.
Electric power from your utility company is billed by calculating Alternating Current multiplied by Alternating Voltage multiplied by Power Factor at a given rate per Kilowatt Hour.
Electric meters are small induction motors with gear reduction to turn a calibrated set of wheels on the readout dials. Speed of the motor is proportional to the amount of power being used, and the readout is usually in kilowatt-hours.
Alternating current is produced by mechanical force obtained from falling water, fossil fuel driven engines, nuclear or coal heat to drive steam turbines or other means to mechanically rotate A.C. Generators with resulting output being relatively high current and relatively low voltage.
This A.C. power is converted to relatively low current, high voltage through step-up transformers to send power via transmission lines over long distances with high efficiency. When the user of electricity at a home or factory has need for power, there are various stages of step-down of voltage with resulting higher current through step-down transformers.
Though this method of transmission is highly efficient, there are losses due to resistance to the flow of current through the conductors of lines and transformers (resulting in heat) and due to impedance of primarily the transformers (another form of restriction to the flow of current resulting in separation of current and voltage peaks with respect to time called inductive reactance). To offset some of this inductive reactance, large capacitors are used which have capacitive reactance to assist in bringing peak current and peak voltage back in phase with each other. Power factor is expressed as the cosine of the phase angle between voltage and current peaks. Operation of high inductance loads such as large electric motors or of many small electric motors imposes inductive loading which requires power factor correction to better utilize power available from the utility.
Current through the A.C. power line is not circular around the conductor. However, high power conducting lines with thousands of volts do carry more current at the surface of the conductor than in the center.
Magnetic lines of force occur at 90 mechanical degrees to the flow of current around and outside the surface of the conductor. (See right-hand rule and left-hand rule for relationship of direction of current flow and magnetic field in motor and in generator action.)
Hope this is helpful info to direct this discussion along scientific lines rather than off on tangents which only obfuscate rather than clarify.
D
Alan Cornette
Apr 24, 2012, 10:57:02 AM4/24/12
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I must admit a great amount of ignorance regarding the finer points of electrical engineering. I try to visualize the big picture so I can believe in certain theories, philosophies, etc., and I have a basic "handle" on why astronomers, who believed that starlight was all they needed to investigate the cosmos, parted ways with the "electromagnetic spectrum boys" around 1910, who later became the plasma cosmologists. They should never have divorced because apparently gravity and electromagnetics must co-exist and work together.
I understand Birkeland Currents that exhibit the twisted, corkscrew-shaped paths those currents take involving high-intensity currents in plasma. Birkeland discovered that electric currents in space tend to follow magnetic fields similar to current in wires. One can observe these phenomena in the twisted, rope-like patterns in CMEs and certain nebula characteristics. The spiraling, twisted-rope characteristic is very common in space.
Instead of "electricity" flowing in wires, we have current flow following electromagnetic paths in space. Stars, according to plasma cosmologists, are connected by this subtle circuitry. Think of our sun moving through space at about 481,000 mph and encountering plasma concentrations (cells) and behaving like a secondary winding on a transformer. The secondary winding is not physically connected but will exhibit current according to the power supplied. This "power supply" is the density of plasma cells existing in all space. Ralph Juergens, who developed the Electric Sun model in the 1970s, stated: "our sun is powered by the electric charge of the surrounding space through which it travels."
Now, if you think about this and believe it true, it explains why our sun is more unstable than we would like to believe. It tells me that perhaps it is encountering that bubble (fluff) - posted on the site last year http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/23dec_voyager/ - of more dense plasma, thus a change in characteristics now being observed.
If we now present the "wild cards" to our solar system, coupled with the electromagnetic effects of an "electric sun," - wild cards being comets, large asteroids, planet X - moving through and across strong gravity fields between our sun and planets, we may visualize the turbulence and unpredictable events caused by such dramatic events. - best illustrated to commoners such as I in the form of extreme weather, earthquakes, and earth changing events in the next several years, or, at least a period of more tranquil time will return.
I firmly believe the Maya followed handed-down instructions in keeping the Long Count calendar up-to-date, not knowing the genesis or not fully understanding its cosmic significance. They were aware of coming turbulent times and that knowledge had to originate with the gods of ancient Sumer. Al C.
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semaj...@aol.com
Apr 24, 2012, 11:01:01 AM4/24/12
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Now that's a good grasp of what electrical current is, although I'm not too sure about this fluff affecting the sun, it may in the future I don't know, I do know from studies the pole reverse idea has been around for a couple of years now and it has been predicted to date since nasa studies, I'm not the greatest fan of nasa but I do think they may have got this right this time, although I haven't looked at the sun recently, I haven't seen anything different to what has been predicted to be cyclic of the suns pattern. But like al says if it does differ to what is predicted then there is obviously something affecting its pattern
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From: Alan Cornette <alanco...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:57:02 -0400
To: <semaj...@aol.com>
Lee
Apr 24, 2012, 6:10:23 PM4/24/12
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Here's a piece on Old Sol that addresses the fluff/electric universe and the non-possibility that another mass may be nearing the solar system:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/04/15/dark-mode-plasma/
I can't say I ever remember the Sun having 4 poles in my brief 60 years on the planet, though...
The Mayans were uncanny in thier ability to predict lunar eclipses forward and back in time, and I can't fathom that they didn't have some "outside" help in learning how to do this, whether or not they actually knew what it all meant.
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