Skills and Foci

[Hotjets]

A PC has a Flexible skill involving the use of weapons - Shooting, for
example. Let's say that he has 3d in that skill. He's also a gadget-
based super who has a gun, much the Electrophosphorus Firing Piece.
The miracle has 7d in it.

Does he get to add his 3d when he fires his Focus? If no, why not?

What if it is a Manufactured weapon?

Hotjets

[Shane Ivey]

> A PC has a Flexible skill involving the use of weapons - Shooting, for
> example. Let's say that he has 3d in that skill. He's also a gadget-
> based super who has a gun, much the Electrophosphorus Firing Piece.
> The miracle has 7d in it.
>
> Does he get to add his 3d when he fires his Focus? If no, why not?

I'd say not unless it has the Operational Skill flaw.

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[Daniel Kane]

Operational Skill uses the least of the skill of the skill or the power's dice, doesn't it?

~Daniel

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[Shane Ivey]

> Operational Skill uses the least of the skill of the skill or the power's
> dice, doesn't it?

Right.

[Hotjets]

What if I wanted to create a new Extra that allows the character to
use the miracle in focus form just like any other sort of gun? Maybe
calling the Extra "Skill Friendly" or "Skill Compatible"? Would +2
sound about right? This is the same cost as Augments, and this similar
in function.

Or would one of the Augments Extras do this already? If so, which
one?

What do you think?

Thanks

Hotjets

[Hotjets]

Hmmm...I probably responded too soon. I looked at Operational Skill,
and when in the Focus Extras and Flaws section it is listed as a +0
Flaw at first. Later though, the M-23 Infantry Combat Weapon write-up
has a -2 Flaw, for Operational Skill (Rifle). How is the -2 version
different? If it essentially transforms the Miracle into a regular
weapon, that's what I want.

Thanks

Hotjets

[Jakob Pape]

As I read it the -2 is the total modifier of all the Flaws, not Operational Skill alone. You still roll the lowest of your pools (Rifle or the M-23 power) for the attack - but since the focus has 10d in it, your skill pool is rather likely to be lower so that's what you roll. Remember that it only cares about number of dice, not type, 9wd is a lower pool that 10d.

At least, that's my understanding but I've never run the game either so I'm curious as to whether I have it right too.

2009/11/17 Hotjets <Hot...@verizon.net>

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[Daniel Kane]

This is my reading, too.  The Spray extra can add extra dice over that, though.

If a character has a shootin' stuff pool of 6d and a focus gun with 8d, Spray +1, and the Operational Skill Flaw, he will shoot at 7d (and no multiple action penalty) with Spray.

~Daniel

[Hotjets]

Thanks for the help. I'm wondering why Operational Skill is a neutral
+0 Extra. After all, using a stat + skill roll will often tend to
lower the potential dice rolled, and you can never roll a higher pool
if the focus has fewer total dice than your stat + skill. At best, if
your stat + skill is high enough, you'll just be able to roll the
item's base die pool. I see a downside, but no upside.

Even in most supers games, most people won't have 5 Coordination and
5d in Gun God or Ultimate shooter. A 10d weapon is not likely to be
used to its potential in most cases. It seems to me that Operational
Skill should be a -1 Flaw. What is the upside to the Extra that
justifies making it of neutral value? Any ideas?

Hotjets

[Jakob Pape]

2009/11/17 Hotjets <Hot...@verizon.net>

However, you can buy 10d in the power, and roll your firearms pool of 7d+2wd - it's a smaller pool, but a much better one, so it's an advantage in that case. It's not always an advantage, but for some people it's very much one, and for others (those who have no firearms skill to use) its a serious flaw. Thus, over all, +0.

That's my interpretation, anyway.

Hotjets

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[Hotjets]

I had not thought about HD or WD use. That's a very good point. I
might make use no HD or WD miracle Operational Skill house rule. That
way, foci that look like guns (or vehicles, or medical kits, etc.,
etc. ) will operate like more standard equipment, then with a stat +
skill roll.

Maybe I'd call the Flaw SOP - Standard Operational Procedures, for -1.

Hotjets



On Nov 17, 9:43 am, Jakob Pape <chaoman...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 2009/11/17 Hotjets <Hotj...@verizon.net>

[Hotjets]

Now I have to figure out what the base dice for a miracle with the SOP
Flaw would be. Any ideas? Maybe I should use 2HD as the base, since it
always works.

Hotjets

[Daniel Kane]

There is also the implicit assumption that a character will not have a focus with Operational Skill unless they're pretty handy with that Skill.  If my gun has 10d and I have 8d, that's a minor disadvantage.  If Nefarious Ned steals it from me and has only 5d to shoot, that's a significant advantage for me.  Kind of like the poor man's Friends Only.

~me

[Hotjets]

But what if your friend borrows it? Or you want to Manufacture it?

Hotjets

On Nov 17, 2:21 pm, Daniel Kane <daniel.m.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is also the implicit assumption that a character will not have a focus
> with Operational Skill unless they're pretty handy with that Skill.  If my
> gun has 10d and I have 8d, that's a minor disadvantage.  If Nefarious Ned
> steals it from me and has only 5d to shoot, that's a significant advantage
> for me.  Kind of like the poor man's Friends Only.
>
> ~me
>

[Daniel Kane]

Then the user will have to work on their Skill to get the most out of it... just like most mundane objects!  A focus that uses its own pool, unmodified by the user, is the equivalent of a fully automated car, or a self-aiming smartgun, or whatever -- it functions with minimal user input.  Point and click.

~Daniel

[Hotjets]

Sure, but you miss my point here. Operational skill is not a balanced
situation. It is more of a disadvantage than an advantage. The
inventor has to have the appropriate stats and skills, as would his
allies, or his customers for the Manufactured version. Can use the
Miracle at full efficiency if they have a high level of such a stat
and such a skill sounds like an If/Then situation.

Hotjets

On Nov 17, 5:22 pm, Daniel Kane <daniel.m.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Then the user will have to work on their Skill to get the most out of it...
> just like most mundane objects!  A focus that uses its own pool, unmodified
> by the user, is the equivalent of a fully automated car, or a self-aiming
> smartgun, or whatever -- it functions with minimal user input.  Point and
> click.
>
> ~Daniel
>

[Brandon Perkins]

I think he is rying to perform one of the situation the book tells you you can accomplish, but sems difficult o do; make a gadget ith a built in miracle that anyone can use.I'm not sure how best to go about that, but I'm sure others here might. I'd ned to study the powers section a bit more