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Subject: Re: [Cucumber:8173] Calling steps from step defs in Cuke4Duke (Was: Paper on Imperative vs Declarative style / Nested steps)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:40:52 +0100
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On 8 Jun 2011, at 23:55, Robert wrote:

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> On Wednesday, June 8, 2011 8:06:59 AM UTC-7, mattwynne wrote:
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> On 5 Jun 2011, at 20:15, Robert wrote:
>> be of some help to the testers I know.  Or, possibly, just more =
education on the pitfalls of using an imperative style might be of some =
use.  My apologies if I've rambled a bit.  Obviously, my ramblings are =
solely based on my experience as a tester, and are not reflective of the =
entire testing community.
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> Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, Robert.
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> It's worth noting that you can already do this. You can call the =
#steps method from within a step definition, and pass it arbitrary =
gherkin steps to try to run:
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> Given /I am on page 3 of the wizard/ do
>    steps %{
>      Given I have completed page 1 of the wizard
>      And I have completed page 2 of the wizard
>    }
> end
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> There are maintainability problems with this approach, which are well =
documented on this list if you search the archives (for Nested Steps). =
But as a first step to help move away from imperative steps, it can be a =
great move.
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> Thanks, Matt.  This could certainly lessen the troubles of a number of =
my colleagues.  The example you provided looks like it was meant for =
Ruby.  Is this feature also supported in Java (i.e., Cuke4Duke) ? And, =
if so, could you provide an example.

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this. I expect there is a way, but =
I haven't used Cuke4Duke much. Can anyone help?

cheers,
Matt

m...@mattwynne.net
07974 430184


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Wednesday, June 8, 2011 8:06:59 AM UTC-7, mattwynne wrote:<blockquote =
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style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><div>On 5 Jun 2011, at 20:15, =
Robert wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite">be of some help to the =
testers I know.&nbsp; Or, possibly, just more education on the pitfalls =
of using an imperative style might be of some use.&nbsp; My apologies if =
I've rambled a bit.&nbsp; Obviously, my ramblings are solely based on my =
experience as a tester, and are not reflective of the entire testing =
community.<br></blockquote><div><br></div>Thanks for your contribution =
to the discussion, Robert.</div><div><br></div><div>It's worth noting =
that you can already do this. You can call the #steps method from within =
a step definition, and pass it arbitrary gherkin steps to try to =
run:</div><div><br></div><div>Given /I am on page 3 of the wizard/ =
do</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; steps %{</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; Given I =
have completed page 1 of the wizard</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; And I =
have completed page 2 of the wizard</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
}</div><div>end</div><div><br></div><div>There are maintainability =
problems with this approach, which are well documented on this list if =
you search the archives (for Nested Steps). But as a first step to help =
move away from imperative steps, it can be a great =
move.</div><div><br></div><div>
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</span></div></span></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Thanks, =
Matt.&nbsp; This could certainly lessen the troubles of a number of my =
colleagues.&nbsp; The example you provided looks like it was meant for =
Ruby.&nbsp; Is this feature also supported in Java (i.e., Cuke4Duke) ? =
And, if so, could you provide an example.<br></div>


</blockquote><br></div><div>I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this. =
I expect there is a way, but I haven't used Cuke4Duke much. Can anyone =
help?</div><br><div>
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"><div>cheers,</div><div>Matt</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"mailto:m...@mattwynne.net">m...@mattwynne.net</a></div><div>07974 =
430184</div></span>
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