[POLL] Cucumber Transform

[aslak hellesoy]

I'd like to gauge a lesser known feature of Cucumber - Transform.
Which category are you in?

a) I use it
b) I know what it is, but I don't use it
c) Transform - whazzat?

Cheers,
Aslak

[Craig Demyanovich]

b

[Hedge Hog]

c

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[Chris Mear]

c) whazzat?

Chris

[Jonas Nicklas]

a!

I love Transform, it's super awesome!

/Jonas

[Julian Simpson]

c) sadly.

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[Remi Gagnon]

C) 

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[tetsu yatsu]

B

Les Hill gave a talk on Cucumber and included it at MagicRuby.

I've been using Pickle exclusively since I saw somebody using it in one of our projects. It's like a replacement for Pickle?

In my experience, writing cucumber step definitions or mucking with cucumber code at all usually leads to me wasting a lot of time on things that will be irrelevant in other projects I have to continue development on, or that will need a lot of maintenance as we develop new features.

I prefer to keep to dumb, reliable, factory-based Pickle. It solves most all of my problems, and keeps me writing tests.

[Aslak Hellesøy]

On Feb 16, 2011, at 23:32, tetsu yatsu <tets...@gmail.com> wrote:

B

Les Hill gave a talk on Cucumber and included it at MagicRuby.

I've been using Pickle exclusively since I saw somebody using it in one of our projects. It's like a replacement for Pickle?

Transform is part of Cucumber's API and predates Pickle. Both provide different ways to create objects from Gherkin.

Pickle does this by exposing intimate details about the database schema to Gherkin. This has several drawbacks as explained in the links below.

Transform lets you do the same without exposing internals to Gherkin - thus allowing a more business-friendly domain language.

http://elabs.se/blog/15-you-re-cuking-it-wrong

http://dannorth.net/2011/01/31/whose-domain-is-it-anyway/

http://benmabey.com/2008/05/19/imperative-vs-declarative-scenarios-in-user-stories.html

Aslak

[John Feminella]

I'm in the (a) camp.

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[Franklin Webber]

I'm an A. I would even say that I'm addicted to them.

[Jonathan Linowes]

c

but now that I know, I want to start using it :)

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[Chris Mear]

On 17 Feb 2011, at 06:22, Jonathan Linowes <lin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> c
>
> but now that I know, I want to start using it :)

Actually yes, I should amend my previous answer to this! Looks like a really handy feature.

Chris

[schlick]

I suppose I'm an (a) but I've only just use a transform for the first time last week to handle a situation where I needed to transform boolean values out of a cucumber table. I've never used them before because I never needed to. Pickle does the job for me very well.

Michael.

[Joaquin Rivera Padron]

a

being  or not an alternative to pickle or other (from the implementation point of view), I like the encapsulation it provides in terms of language

jk

2011/2/17 schlick <mic...@starclass.com.au>

I suppose I'm an (a) but I've only just use a transform for the first time last week to handle a situation where I needed to transform boolean values out of a cucumber table. I've never used them before because I never needed to. Pickle does the job for me very well.

Michael.

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[Arve Knudsen]

c I'm afraid.

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[Alejandro Cuesta]

C)

[Tom ten Thij]

a)

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[Rob Park]

c

[Sean Tiley]

C

[Carl]

I would be a "C". You have peaked my curiosity so now I must learn
more!

[byrnejb]

At the time of posting: C, now: B. Tomorrow: perhaps A.

I found this helpful

http://www.engineyard.com/blog/2009/cucumber-step-argument-transforms/

[Kosmas Chatzimichalis]

On 17 February 2011 15:08, byrnejb <byr...@harte-lyne.ca> wrote:

On Feb 16, 4:36 pm, aslak hellesoy <aslak.helle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd like to gauge a lesser known feature of Cucumber - Transform.
> Which category are you in?
>
> a) I use it
> b) I know what it is, but I don't use it
> c) Transform - whazzat?
>

Between b and a.
Know what it is, and about to use it. :-)

[Mike Sassak]

I was in a) for a while, but now I'm in b). I prefer helper methods.

Mike

[Mike Sassak]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM, aslak hellesoy
<aslak.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was in a) for a while, but now I'm in b). I prefer helper methods.

[Andy Tinkham]

I'm in the same boat. Initially c when I started reading this thread, now b (after reading the blog post - thanks for the link, byrnejb!). I don't think I'll get to A tomorrow, but I can definitely see places where I'll end up using it most likely given where I'm going with our test suite.

I found this helpful

http://www.engineyard.com/blog/2009/cucumber-step-argument-transforms/

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[Irish]

B

On Feb 16, 2:36 pm, aslak hellesoy <aslak.helle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to gauge a lesser known feature of Cucumber - Transform.
> Which category are you in?
>
> a) I use it
> b) I know what it is, but I don't use it
> c) Transform - whazzat?
>

> Cheers,
> Aslak

[Dmitriy Korobskiy]

c) for now, but I'll definitely learn about it.

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[Andrew Premdas]

On 16 February 2011 21:36, aslak hellesoy <aslak.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd like to gauge a lesser known feature of Cucumber - Transform.
Which category are you in?

a) I use it
b) I know what it is, but I don't use it
c) Transform - whazzat?

Cheers,
Aslak

b - would love to see a really good reason to use it. Currently I feel its just not necessary, but I also think that I'm ignorant about it. 

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[Andreas Simon]

C

[Simon Harris]

C

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[Powers Foss]

C

[Robert]

c

[Jeff Morgan]

C for me as well. Thanks for pointing out this feature Aslak. I
spent a little time
playing with it and posted this blog entry to share my experience.

http://www.cheezyworld.com/2011/02/20/transforming-my-cukes/

-Cheezy

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Robert <rest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> c

[tomas.p...@zhdk.ch]

Am 16.02.2011 um 22:36 schrieb aslak hellesoy:

> I'd like to gauge a lesser known feature of Cucumber - Transform.
> Which category are you in?
>
> a) I use it
> b) I know what it is, but I don't use it
> c) Transform - whazzat?

b)

Too me it seems like an additional layer of magic, that makes
it harder to understand what's going. I was multiple times
about to use Transforms and fell back to explicit transformations
each time.

Once one gets accustomed to "magic tools" however, they become
all "normal", so it might just be that I've not taken that last
step of using Transforms casually...

Thanks for having created Cucumber, I find the tool very helpful,
*t

[Rob Holland]

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:32 AM, <tomas.p...@zhdk.ch> wrote:
> Am 16.02.2011 um 22:36 schrieb aslak hellesoy:
>
>> I'd like to gauge a lesser known feature of Cucumber - Transform.
>> Which category are you in?
>>
>> a) I use it
>> b) I know what it is, but I don't use it
>> c) Transform - whazzat?

a.

and just as a note, I'm pretty sure pickle predates transforms.

We set transforms up in step definitions so we can easily refer to
'the user' and so on in later steps. Works very nicely for us, and
much cleaner than pickle (imho).

[Matt Wynne]

Rob, did you see this idea:
https://rspec.lighthouseapp.com/projects/16211-cucumber/tickets/702

The idea is basically that Cucumber::RbSupport::RbTransform#to_s returns a regexp string that you can use in your step definitions, so you don't have to duplicate the phrase everywhere. It's then run on a bit...

cheers,
Matt

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