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On 7/26/2012 4:33 PM, Douglas W Jackson wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> We have discussed landing through a gradient once, and I have been
> experiencing this more often than I would like without the results I
> prefer.
>
> So, when I am coming in for a headwind landing, and at (whatever)
> altitude there is no wind or even sink, what is the action to take?
>
> I recall that you mentioned to come in fast and keep the energy up,
> but how do you really control that?
>
> When setting up a landing, I feel that I am not slowing the glider in
> any way, but at that 25-20-15 foot range this is where I experience
> the sudden drop of speed or lift.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug
>
> Douglas Jackson, CLTC
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Good question Doug I don't have much time for answering now but maybe
others will chime in.
I don't know, reach forward pretend I have a control bar and pull it
in for speed? Seriously we are fortunate that our wings are so high and
not subject to the more common and more severe gradient that hangs pass
through when landing. Number one is to make sure you are at trim and not
using too much brake when turning. Also with the ground coming up it is
possible to get a bit of ground rush and start to slow the
glider(don't!) as you seem to be speeding up as you drop into lighter
wind(this is the biggest problem that I see way too often pilots coming
in to land robbing the glider of airspeed, mush landings). I believe a
proper downwind base final approach can minimize the need for turning
low(more below on dbf). Steeper more aggressive turns can keep speed up
but also have some increase in risk. Another advanced technique would be
slow the glider and letting it surge and speed up THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE
CORRECTLY! It can be very helpful with a short lz and when you are just
boating around and can't seem to land, no fun hanging out in the danger
zone!
From Dustin Martin posted on the AZHPA ;
" Checking for turbulence
ALWAYS overfly your touchdown spot and the area upwind right before you
fly your pattern. This will save you some trouble or worse someday if
you do it consistently. If you encounter lift, great, work it at least
until it drifts by the LZ, then repeat. If you don't hit anything you
can be confident in good LZ conditions. Nothing terrible is going to
gather momentum in the short time it takes you to do a pattern. Never
skip this step if it's still early enough to encounter lift. Make your
pattern tight to ensure landing in the air that you just checked."
link to the entire article on flying xc
http://www.azhpa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=103:cross-country-flying-tips-by-dustin-martin&catid=46:pilot-stories
sf
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have discussed landing through a
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than I would like without the results I prefer.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So, when I am coming in for a headwind
landing, and at (whatever) altitude there is no wind or even
sink, what is the action to take?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I recall that you mentioned to come in fast
and keep the energy up, but how do you really control that?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When setting up a landing, I feel that I am
not slowing the glider in any way, but at that 25-20-15 foot
range this is where I experience the sudden drop of speed or
lift.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Any suggestions?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks <o:p></o:p></p>
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Good question Doug I don't have much time for answering now but
maybe others will chime in. <br>
I don't know, reach forward pretend I have a control bar and pull
it in for speed? Seriously we are fortunate that our wings are so
high and not subject to the more common and more severe gradient
that hangs pass through when landing. Number one is to make sure you
are at trim and not using too much brake when turning. Also with the
ground coming up it is possible to get a bit of ground rush and
start to slow the glider(don't!) as you seem to be speeding up as
you drop into lighter wind(this is the biggest problem that I see
way too often pilots coming in to land robbing the glider of
airspeed, mush landings). I believe a proper downwind base final
approach can minimize the need for turning low(more below on dbf).
Steeper more aggressive turns can keep speed up but also have some
increase in risk. Another advanced technique would be slow the
glider and letting it surge and speed up THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE
CORRECTLY! It can be very helpful with a short lz and when you are
just boating around and can't seem to land, no fun hanging out in
the danger zone!<br>
<br>
From Dustin Martin posted on the AZHPA ;<br>
<br>
" Checking for turbulence<br>
ALWAYS overfly your touchdown spot and the area upwind right before
you fly your pattern. This will save you some trouble or worse
someday if you do it consistently. If you encounter lift, great,
work it at least until it drifts by the LZ, then repeat. If you
don't hit anything you can be confident in good LZ conditions.
Nothing terrible is going to gather momentum in the short time it
takes you to do a pattern. Never skip this step if it's still early
enough to encounter lift. Make your pattern tight to ensure landing
in the air that you just checked."<br>
<br>
link to the entire article on flying xc
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.azhpa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=103:cross-country-flying-tips-by-dustin-martin&catid=46:pilot-stories">http://www.azhpa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=103:cross-country-flying-tips-by-dustin-martin&catid=46:pilot-stories</a><br>
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