The person that thinks this ruling or issue does not affect them because they do not PPG, I think is mistaken. I think the flying community is in jeaporday unless we coalesce our efforts to protect and promote flying that relates to FAR 103. Otherwise the powers at be (who have no enterest or knowledge) gain power to rule over those that are divided.
Personally, I have no interest in Hangliding, Powered Parchuting, or PPG ( unless it becomes cheaper, lighter and electric) but, I do support the flying communities ability to monitor and police our own. We need to come together in order to servive. Otherwise the sport will be divided and conguered very fast.
I suggest we support Discover Paraglidings efforts and Nicks combined efforts to preserve the PPG along our Oregon beaches. Otherwise, the rest of us will be next, one by one.
My 2cents worth
From: Nick Blizzard <nickblizz...@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: CPC: Getting the rules changed... again...
Can't really dissagree with anything you're saying. It is a tough issue and it can effect all of us. The ppg community is actually quite divided at times as some see part 103 as rules that can be bent while others view them as rules that shouldn't be pushed.
I think the simple answer is to have a map that clearly defines no fly zones and have it accessible through the parks service website. We could even create it and have the parks service sign off on it. Enforcement would be handled the same way the parks handle any illegal activity and the flying community would be needed to educate those that aren't familiar.
Or I don't know, maybe it is a good rule. Keeps the beaches less populated with motorized activity and yet still allows some individuals, who know where to launch and land from, to fly the coast.
Seems like we're then just the one's who push the rules rather the ones who try and solve the problem though....
On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:13:02 AM UTC-7, Steve Forslund wrote:
I hear what you are saying but don't see any realistic way to implement rules to address this that can effectively be enforced. The launching and landing is straight forward and stops much of the noise but you are right low and slow is the charm of ppg so pilots will want to fly that way.
>Hell some California parks are taking charge of airspace and not
allowing flight(even for aircraft creating their own airspace
rulings) above the parks at all! At Torrey Pines we used to be
able to fly North but paraglider pilots who sunk out were hiking
and kiting/ launching in forbidden area so the park solution was
to totally eliminate the possibility of breaking the rules by
keeping us out.
>Even if noise is the real issue/problem the park needs to address
this in their general frame wok of rules which is fairly specific
about motors. So you come up with some general guidelines about
staying away from public and wildlife( for a while it looked like
flying, walking a dog or even going to the beach was over due to
the Snowy Plover and CA took more extreme measures) not a lot
different from ATV saying they will stay out of the dunes(yes a
lot more potential impact from ATV breaking rules)
>And what if they say no flying over the parks below 1,000' AGL
that would stop all free flight and make powered flight less
enjoyable. If noise is truly the problem is low and slow an
option? What is the solution, minimum heights for operation other
then launching and landing. Would this allow keeping launch and
landing allowed everywhere provided following common sense
guidelines as far as proximity to public, wildlife etc..
Designated areas for low and slow flight or would this lead to
only designated areas for launching and landing?
> PPG can be an extremely low impact or a high impact activity
depending on how and where it is done. That is one of the things
that will make it so hard to write guidelines and manage. While
there is no requirement to join USHPA our efforts at self
regulation/instruction had a lot to do with the FAA allowing and
encouraging flight through Part 103. I think you really need to
present a strong ppg community to the Parks. How strong is it? Is
there any local club, it seems there are probably a lot more
pilots then I am aware of in the region but I get the impression
it be a very individual activity.
the serenity of the beach. You ever been cross country
skiing in some quiet beautiful place and encountered
>>>Sorry I just don't see the beach as a place for
launching and landing(sure flying is fine) as I am
selfish and don't want to risk losing the sites by
challenging the parks on motors, it puts them at odds
with other groups with motors that would love access.
Look how our options for launching and landing have
shrunk at Ecola for no particular reason.
>>>Convince me, let's see these guidelines I'd be curious
what type of clearances you are talking about?
>>>On 7/7/2012 9:58 PM, Discover Paragliding! wrote:
>>>PG pilots use only a tiny fraction of the 368 mile long Oregon coast. Those that would scoff at the noise and fuel smell of a PPG would miss scenes like this one:
>>>>Just look at all those folks we are bothering!!! (This
was on Fourth of July weekend 2010.)
>>>>For better or worse, PPG has been discovered on the
Oregon coast. It's just a matter of time before folks
start finding alternative ways to get out to the coast
and fly. Myself included. We've already found a few
spots for access.) Can it be a hazard to future flying
on the beach. Sure. Just like any badly done PG flight
can. But I really believe it can fit in, and even
become an asset to the Oregon Coast scene. We are
working hard towards having a responsible flying
program for PPG pilots on the coast. Site guides,
flight restrictions, recommended clearances, etc.
>>>>The scene we had out here last summer will not be
tolerated again. A bit of a pain, but a good thing in
the end. At least I hope! :-)
>>>>PS - Maren's says her new PJ Zenith has weight shift
that is comparable to a nice beginner PG harness.
She's already been out thermalling it pretty
successfully. A world away from your daddy's PPG
machine! :-) Don't miss her pic in the latest
Paramotor mag... :-)
On 7/7/2012 8:12 PM, skf...
>>>>I am not happy with the way this impacts towing and of course it needs to have tandem instructional added after one person(not that this effects me)
>>>>> I am selfish enough and value the right to fly my hang
or paraglider at the beach to think that keeping
motorized flight away from the beach probably will help
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