So in efforts to be a safer pilot... I recently obtained a first aid card
through a class at the Red Cross.  I mentioned to the instructor that it
might be beneficial to have hIm come to a club meeting and for those that
are interested could participate in a first aid group class. Just a thought
and he actually mentioned for a CPR card, they offer a LOL CPR class in a
bar! Sounds fun but details on the next one are hard to find. I called the
572 number on the Red Cross's site and the lady knew nothing of what I was
talking about... I had to guide her to the web page on the Red Cross's
site. Anybody have any input as to where and when for this class?

I like your ambition and persuit of excellance for the sport Rich, but all first aid won't make you a safer pilot. 
SIV clinics, mentoring, and the right mind set will lead you down the right path to be a safer pilot.
Don't give up the persuit Rich, its all good.
Dave

________________________________
From: Richard Moren <rmore...@gmail.com>
To: "Cascade,Paragliding Club" <cpcl@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: CPC: First aid and CPR

So in efforts to be a safer pilot... I recently obtained a first aid card through a class at the Red Cross.  I mentioned to the instructor that it might be beneficial to have hIm come to a club meeting and for those that are interested could participate in a first aid group class. Just a thought and he actually mentioned for a CPR card, they offer a LOL CPR class in a bar! Sounds fun but details on the next one are hard to find. I called the 572 number on the Red Cross's site and the lady knew nothing of what I was talking about... I had to guide her to the web page on the Red Cross's site. Anybody have any input as to where and when for this class?

But it could certainly help him rescue some unsafe or just plain unlucky pilots.

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From: "David Cantrell" <davecantre...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Sep 24, 2012 3:10 pm
Subject: CPC: First aid and CPR
To: "rmore...@gmail.com" <rmore...@gmail.com>, "Cascade,Paragliding Club" <cpcl@googlegroups.com>

I like your ambition and persuit of excellance for the sport Rich, but all first aid won't make you a safer pilot. 
SIV clinics, mentoring, and the right mind set will lead you down the right path to be a safer pilot..
Don't give up the persuit Rich, its all good.
Dave

________________________________
From: Richard Moren <rmore...@gmail.com>
To: "Cascade,Paragliding Club" <cpcl@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: CPC: First aid and CPR

So in efforts to be a safer pilot... I recently obtained a first aid card through a class at the Red Cross.  I mentioned to the instructor that it might be beneficial to have hIm come to a club meeting and for those that are interested could participate in a first aid group class. Just a thought and he actually mentioned for a CPR card, they offer a LOL CPR class in a bar! Sounds fun but details on the next one are hard to find. I called the 572 number on the Red Cross's site and the lady knew nothing of what I was talking about... I had to guide her to the web page on the Red Cross's site. Anybody have any input as to where and when for this class?

I couldn't agree with you more Dave. I just figured its a step in the right
direction. And 1 less thing to have to "think" about in a time of essence.
Id rather know what to do than guess and its required for a T3 pilot so why
not get a head start on that side of it... :) still waiting for my glider
from Bill bad bones at Rising Air. Just found out its a grand to fix it. So
Im jonesin to fly and doing what I can to keep progression while my feet
are on the ground.
On Sep 24, 2012 2:10 PM, "David Cantrell" <davecantre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hmm. I've been a first aid instructor for something like 23 years now and
am now entering my 25th season as a ski patroller at Squaw, so I guess I've
probably had the opportunity to see a few more first aid situations than
most folks. There's really no mystery to first-aid, particularly when it
comes to traumatic incidents. Assess and stabilize, determine the severity
and risk for patient decline, make appropriate transportation procedures.
Make them somebody else's problem as soon as possible.

I probably carry a few more first-aid supplies than I'm guessing others do,
but there's no magic. Generally the most important thing you can bring to a
first-aid situation is a cool head and a calm outlook. Reasonably smart
people tend to do the right stuff in a surprisingly high percentage of
cases.

In my mind the bigger issue is improvised transportation. I'm guessing that
most pilots could adequately stabilize an injury, but how many could
improvise a backboard if necessary? (not me, I've got 'em stacked up in
patrol shacks and I can call for them on the radio). If the club were
interested in something really useful it might be helpful to get somebody
from the NOLS/WFR organization to come speak about issues regarding first
aid in those situations where help is a long distance/long time away.

..glen

  I try and keep a decent first aid kit in my van and one thing that has
been very useful are Sam Splints. A pile blanket in my car also has had
use over the years.

SF

On 9/24/2012 4:14 PM, Glen Baker wrote:

SAM splints are perhaps the single most useful device to carry. Add Kling,
a few 4x4's or 3x3's and a few cravats and you're pretty much in business.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Steve Forslund <skf...@effectnet.com>wrote:

Im a big fan of duct tape.

My WFR taught me that if you cant duct it, f*#' it.

Canopy and some sticks for a stretcher.

-ryan

----- Reply message -----
From: "Glen Baker" <g...@coakley-baker.com>
To: <cpcl@googlegroups.com>
Subject: CPC: First aid and CPR
Date: Mon, Sep 24, 2012 4:14 pm
SAM splints are perhaps the single most useful device to carry. Add Kling, a few 4x4's or 3x3's and a few cravats and you're pretty much in business. 

SF

On 9/24/2012 4:14 PM, Glen Baker wrote:

Hmm. I've been a first aid instructor for something
like 23 years now and am now entering my 25th season as a ski
patroller at Squaw, so I guess I've probably had the opportunity
to see a few more first aid situations than most folks. There's
really no mystery to first-aid, particularly when it comes to
traumatic incidents. Assess and stabilize, determine the severity
and risk for patient decline, make appropriate transportation
procedures. Make them somebody else's problem as soon as possible.

I probably carry a few more first-aid supplies than I'm
guessing others do, but there's no magic. Generally the most
important thing you can bring to a first-aid situation is a cool
head and a calm outlook. Reasonably smart people tend to do the
right stuff in a surprisingly high percentage of cases.

In my mind the bigger issue is improvised transportation. I'm
guessing that most pilots could adequately stabilize an injury,
but how many could improvise a backboard if necessary? (not me,
I've got 'em stacked up in patrol shacks and I can call for them
on the radio). If the club were interested in something really
useful it might be helpful to get somebody from the NOLS/WFR
organization to come speak about issues regarding first aid in
those situations where help is a long distance/long time away.

..glen

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Richard
Moren <rmore...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I couldn't agree with you more Dave. I just figured its a
step in the right direction. And 1 less thing to have to
"think" about in a time of essence. Id rather know what to
do than guess and its required for a T3 pilot so why not get
a head start on that side of it... :) still waiting for my
glider from Bill bad bones at Rising Air. Just found out its
a grand to fix it. So Im jonesin to fly and doing what I can
to keep progression while my feet are on the ground.

On Sep 24, 2012 2:10 PM, "David
Cantrell" <davecantre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I like your ambition and persuit of
excellance for the sport Rich, but all first
aid won't make you a safer pilot. 
SIV
clinics, mentoring, and the right mind set
will lead you down the right path to be a
safer pilot.
Don't give
up the persuit Rich, its all good.
Dave

From:
Richard Moren <rmore...@gmail.com>

To:
"Cascade,Paragliding Club" <cpcl@googlegroups.com>

Sent:
Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:30 PM

Subject:
CPC: First aid and CPR

So in efforts to be a safer pilot... I
recently obtained a first aid card through
a class at the Red Cross.  I mentioned to
the instructor that it might be beneficial
to have hIm come to a club meeting and for
those that are interested could
participate in a first aid group class.
Just a thought and he actually mentioned
for a CPR card, they offer a LOL CPR class
in a bar! Sounds fun but details on the
next one are hard to find. I called the
572 number on the Red Cross's site and the
lady knew nothing of what I was talking
about... I had to guide her to the web
page on the Red Cross's site. Anybody have
any input as to where and when for this
class?

Glen is totally on target here. The rescues that I have been part of when
doing stuntwork or patrolling in the past as well as the rescues we have
had to perform at the Rat Race over the past few years have typically
entailed the exfil of the injured from remote areas. The best thing that we
could have as a club in addition to an extensive First Aid / medical kit is
a Stokes unit in my opinion. As Glen pointed out after asssessing the
injured and taking steps to prevent exacerbation of pre existing injury,
and taking precautions not to create any further trauma the most important
thing to do is get the injured to an area where EMS can take over. By far
the most straight forward way to do this is by Stokes. The injured can be
fitted with cervical collar if necessary, then be secured to the Stokes and
monitored while being carried to a convenient location for EMS. Just my
opinion for what it's worth...
Fly High, Fly Far Fly safe!
TC

It is true that the best thing to bring to the scene of an accident is a
clear head.  After having my WFR and Re-certs for the last 6 years, nothing
I can think of would be better.

In reality, while a backboard would be great, however, if you don't have
enough hands to safely move a patient with a positive MOI ( Mechanism of
Injury) for a spinal cord injury, and you don't hold a WFR cert that would
allow you to examine and clear their spine so you don't need a back board.
 Then it is in the patients best interest to avoid movement until people
who have the expertise to move them arrive.  

I have been to very few sites where there were enough people to make an
effective rescue before the pro's can get there.  If there are 5 pilots and
at a site and 3 get in the air, and the 4th crashes on take off, you have
the last pilot and maybe a driver to deal.  Not enough.  Having enough
people is more commonly the exception then the rule.  The most important
things to think about after the ABC's are patient comfort and maintaining a
log of their status.  i.e.. take their pulse every 5 minutes, keep them
warm.  If you want to be really prepared to deal, then take a WFR course.
 if you want to make sure you at least have a good grasp on process when
you forget everything, then buy this bandana for $6 bucks.  It has the
entire patient assessment on it.  It will help you with remembering the
important steps.  

http://store.nols.edu/store/pc/Patient-Assessment-Bandanna-3p26.htm