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From: Steve Seibel <sseibel...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:08:12 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2012 9:08 pm
Subject: Re lifting the ban on tandem hang gliding on Oregon beaches
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PS it goes without saying that the recent ban on tandem hang gliding is a
great concern.  I didn't realize that the rules had been written this way.
  Again, thanks Brad and Maren for working on this issue.

What do you need specifically, apart from affirmation that we want to be
able to fly tandem hang gliders on the Oregon coast?  Have you talked to
the active tandem pilots?  Maybe some photos or videos showing how this is
a vital part of their business and has zero negative on the coast and
beachgoers?  Or maybe the tandem issue is just an oversight than can be
quickly fixed?  I'm sure you know that John Matylonek has given many
tandems on the coast, not sure who else.

Steve Seibel

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From: "Discover Paragliding!" <BradandMa...@DiscoverParagliding.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:02:52 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2012 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: ODA definitions [was - lifting the ban on tandem hang gliding on Oregon beaches]
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Steve (and all),

That (the banning of any tandem or towing flight) hasn't happened...
Yet. The current laws, if taken verbatim, would indeed ban tandem flight
from the beaches, (and towing too). The state parks have repeatedly
expressed a lack of desire to do that (enforce the letter of the rule).
But, this is the exact definition/rule that they are using to outright
ban the landing of PPG's on the beach. Giving a reason that if they
allow PPG (as permitted in the new section 21 rules), and something
happens, or someone complains, there could be unspecified trouble
relating to the conflict between the two regulations.

Carrying that line of logic out further, tandem flying and towing are in
exactly the same boat, and an accident, or public complaint in the
future, could leave the parks little recourse given the current rule
structure other than to shut us down.

Getting the ODA's definition of Aircraft to be more in line with FAR 103
would definitely help with the longevity of towing and tandem flight on
the beaches. Motorized flight is another thing entirely, and the new
rules under Section 21 of the state parks would give the parks the
opportunity to open any section, select sections, or the whole beach to
motorized flight at their sole discretion. This was necessary to have
some control over pilots that may choose to fly motors here in the
future. They have quietly expressed several times that they don't want
to revisit anything like we had out here last summer. But they have
offered an openness to a structured and educated approach to motorized
flight if well thought out. (Site guides, section rules, pilot ratings,
etc.)

I believe the definition in question was created well prior to the
current activities that we now enjoy, both as HG, PG, PPG and PHG(?)
pilots. My brief summary to the ODA was well received over the phone,
and I was granted a time slot to make a presentation for our case at the
July 19th meeting Department of Aviation general meeting in PDX. But,
since this is an Oregon Regulatory Statute, I was cautioned that this
process could take up to two years. Ugh.

Better to get started now, right?

Brad

PS - Sorry to spam all lists, but I figured I'd better clarify things
for everyone. (Let me know if I actually succeeded! :-)

See you up there,

Brad and Maren
Your 'Couple' of Instructors
www.DiscoverParagliding.com <http://www.DiscoverParagliding.com/>
503-861-2772 (W) 503-440-0733 (c)

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