New Work City membership agreement - version 1
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Tony Bacigalupo
Sep 25, 2008, 12:39:25 PM9/25/08
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Hi everybody!
Just uploaded the preliminary NWC membership agreement, which you can
view here:
http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/web/nwc-coworking-membership-agreement-grey.pdf
It's mostly cribbed from other coworking spaces' agreements. I think
it's Indy Hall's plus perhaps one other, I forget which.
If anyone out there would like to give it a once-over and let me know
if anything looks amiss, it would be very much appreciated! We'll be
printing out a bunch of these later today in advance of an event for
New Work City tonight.
Barring any last minute problems, it looks like we are on the verge of
a deal. I'll keep you posted!
Thanks in advance for any help!
Cheers,
Tony Bacigalupo
New Work City
Just uploaded the preliminary NWC membership agreement, which you can
view here:
http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/web/nwc-coworking-membership-agreement-grey.pdf
It's mostly cribbed from other coworking spaces' agreements. I think
it's Indy Hall's plus perhaps one other, I forget which.
If anyone out there would like to give it a once-over and let me know
if anything looks amiss, it would be very much appreciated! We'll be
printing out a bunch of these later today in advance of an event for
New Work City tonight.
Barring any last minute problems, it looks like we are on the verge of
a deal. I'll keep you posted!
Thanks in advance for any help!
Cheers,
Tony Bacigalupo
New Work City
Steven Heath
Sep 25, 2008, 6:42:05 PM9/25/08
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> If anyone out there would like to give it a once-over and let me know
> if anything looks amiss, it would be very much appreciated! We'll be
> printing out a bunch of these later today in advance of an event for
> New Work City tonight.
> if anything looks amiss, it would be very much appreciated! We'll be
> printing out a bunch of these later today in advance of an event for
> New Work City tonight.
I am always amazed at these clauses:
Non-Disparagement.
You shall, during and after the participation in and use of the
Services, refrain from making any
statements or comments of a defamatory or disparaging nature to any
third party regarding NEW
WORK CITY, or any of NEW WORK CITY's officers, directors, employees,
personnel, agents,
policies, services or products, other than to comply with law.
I only ever see them from US companies. I happen to think that clause
contradicts the coworking 'values'. This is a gag clause, nothing less
than that.
Just my 2 cents.
--
Steven Heath
Director
Foxbane Consulting
www.foxbane.co.nz
Cell: +64 21 706-067
Interested in Coworking in Wellington? Check out www.altspace.co.nz
patrick...@gmail.com
Sep 26, 2008, 8:27:23 AM9/26/08
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> statements or comments of a defamatory or disparaging nature to any
> third party regarding NEW
Yeah, we based our contract on IH too (thanks Alex!) but took out
> third party regarding NEW
"disparaging" after the first round of signings, "defamation" is one
thing but with "disparaging" in there it looks like we don't want to
be critiqued either.
Btw, if anyone opens up a space in Canada, our version has a couple of
local tweaks so feel free to ask for the file.
Patrick
station-c.com
Tony Bacigalupo
Sep 26, 2008, 10:58:39 AM9/26/08
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Agreed all around. So should we simply removed the "disparaging" or get rid of the clause altogether? Is it important to have protection against defamation?
Also, since the space isn't open yet, we'll be adding stipulations that membership won't start until after the space is open, and that the space will open within a certain range of dates or the agreement is null and void.
Anything else?
Also, since the space isn't open yet, we'll be adding stipulations that membership won't start until after the space is open, and that the space will open within a certain range of dates or the agreement is null and void.
Anything else?
Alex Hillman
Sep 26, 2008, 11:01:41 AM9/26/08
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To the many of you who've worked from our agreement:
Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I found somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly modded the TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement, it's got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as if anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work together to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really needs to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
-Alex
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visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com
local: www.indyhall.org
Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I found somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly modded the TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement, it's got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as if anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work together to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really needs to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
-Alex
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Alex Hillman
im always developing something
digital: al...@weknowhtml.com
visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com
local: www.indyhall.org
Daniel E. Shipton
Sep 26, 2008, 11:16:46 AM9/26/08
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On Sep 26, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Alex Hillman wrote:
> To the many of you who've worked from our agreement:
> Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I
> found
> somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly
> modded the
> TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
>
> It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement,
> it's
> got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
>
> If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as
> if
> anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work
> together
> to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really
> needs
> to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
> To the many of you who've worked from our agreement:
> Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I
> found
> somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly
> modded the
> TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
>
> It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement,
> it's
> got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
>
> If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as
> if
> anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work
> together
> to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really
> needs
> to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
I would love the opportunity to work with you on this.
Our agreement was crafted after a few spots and I modified it heavily
myself.
--
Daniel E. Shipton
Founder, Impromptu Studio
President & Founder, Redship Technologies
Office: (515) 868-0060 Cell: (515) 460-3618
marc1919
Sep 27, 2008, 12:03:50 AM9/27/08
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I'd be very interested in helping to create an open source universal
coworking agreement.
Marc Nathan
www.houstontech.org | www.katydock.com
mna...@houstontech.org
On Sep 26, 10:01 am, "Alex Hillman" <dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com>
wrote:
coworking agreement.
Marc Nathan
www.houstontech.org | www.katydock.com
mna...@houstontech.org
On Sep 26, 10:01 am, "Alex Hillman" <dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> To the many of you who've worked from our agreement:
> Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I found
> somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly modded the
> TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
>
> It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement, it's
> got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
>
> If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as if
> anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work together
> to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really needs
> to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
>
> -Alex
>
> --
> -----
> --
> -----
> Alex Hillman
> im always developing something
> digital: a...@weknowhtml.com
> Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I found
> somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly modded the
> TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
>
> It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement, it's
> got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
>
> If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as if
> anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work together
> to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really needs
> to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
>
> -Alex
>
> --
> -----
> --
> -----
> Alex Hillman
> im always developing something
> visual:www.dangerouslyawesome.com
> local:www.indyhall.org
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Tony Bacigalupo
> <tonybacigal...@gmail.com>wrote:
> local:www.indyhall.org
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Tony Bacigalupo
>
> > Agreed all around. So should we simply removed the "disparaging" or get rid
> > of the clause altogether? Is it important to have protection against
> > defamation?
>
> > Also, since the space isn't open yet, we'll be adding stipulations that
> > membership won't start until after the space is open, and that the space
> > will open within a certain range of dates or the agreement is null and void.
>
> > Anything else?
>
> > Agreed all around. So should we simply removed the "disparaging" or get rid
> > of the clause altogether? Is it important to have protection against
> > defamation?
>
> > Also, since the space isn't open yet, we'll be adding stipulations that
> > membership won't start until after the space is open, and that the space
> > will open within a certain range of dates or the agreement is null and void.
>
> > Anything else?
>
dko...@gmail.com
Sep 27, 2008, 12:15:57 AM9/27/08
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I'd be interested in helping review/edit/publish. Do we have any leads on legal resources available? Does a creative commons license or gnu fdl license make sense for everyone?
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:03:50
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Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
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Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
felicity at cubes
Sep 28, 2008, 1:24:11 PM9/28/08
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A little late to the discussion but I am happy to share the coworking
component of our contract and I do have
connections to legal resources should we need. Cubes & Crayons
agreement was created by a lawyer and
protects us from liability and protects our clients. We don't have a
defamation clause.
All the best,
Felicity
Space: www.cubesandcrayons.com
Blog: cubes.typepad.com/blog
Personal blog: cubes.typepad.com/cake
On Sep 26, 9:15 pm, dko...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'd be interested in helping review/edit/publish. Do we have any leads on legal resources available? Does a creative commons license or gnu fdl license make sense for everyone?
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marc1919 <marc1...@gmail.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:03:50
> To: Coworking<cowo...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
>
> I'd be very interested in helping to create an open source universal
> coworking agreement.
>
> Marc Nathanwww.houstontech.org|www.katydock.com
> mnat...@houstontech.org
component of our contract and I do have
connections to legal resources should we need. Cubes & Crayons
agreement was created by a lawyer and
protects us from liability and protects our clients. We don't have a
defamation clause.
All the best,
Felicity
Space: www.cubesandcrayons.com
Blog: cubes.typepad.com/blog
Personal blog: cubes.typepad.com/cake
On Sep 26, 9:15 pm, dko...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'd be interested in helping review/edit/publish. Do we have any leads on legal resources available? Does a creative commons license or gnu fdl license make sense for everyone?
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marc1919 <marc1...@gmail.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:03:50
> To: Coworking<cowo...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
>
> I'd be very interested in helping to create an open source universal
> coworking agreement.
>
> Marc Nathanwww.houstontech.org|www.katydock.com
dko...@gmail.com
Sep 28, 2008, 3:47:38 PM9/28/08
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Great, would love to check out what you created for cubes and crayons. Is your facility here in the bay area?
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:24:11
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-----Original Message-----
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:24:11
Alex Linsker
Sep 29, 2008, 5:04:08 AM9/29/08
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Hi Alex,
I'd like to help create an open source working agreement. Although
I'm not a lawyer, I've worked for lawyers in relevant fields, and have
written employment, partnership, client and outsourcing contracts
which have been greenlighted by some of the best lawyers. I'm great
at writing really plain-language, simple, direct, easy-to-read
contracts.
What's the next step?
-Alex
Alex Linsker
(646) 269-4915
alexl...@gmail.com
www.alexlinsker.com
Organizational democracy: helping people work together in companies
On Sep 26, 11:01 am, "Alex Hillman" <dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'd like to help create an open source working agreement. Although
I'm not a lawyer, I've worked for lawyers in relevant fields, and have
written employment, partnership, client and outsourcing contracts
which have been greenlighted by some of the best lawyers. I'm great
at writing really plain-language, simple, direct, easy-to-read
contracts.
What's the next step?
-Alex
Alex Linsker
(646) 269-4915
alexl...@gmail.com
www.alexlinsker.com
Organizational democracy: helping people work together in companies
On Sep 26, 11:01 am, "Alex Hillman" <dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> To the many of you who've worked from our agreement:
> Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I found
> somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly modded the
> TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
>
> It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement, it's
> got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
>
> If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as if
> anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work together
> to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really needs
> to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
>
> -Alex
>
> --
> -----
> --
> -----
> Alex Hillman
> im always developing something
> digital: a...@weknowhtml.com
> Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I found
> somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly modded the
> TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
>
> It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement, it's
> got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
>
> If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as if
> anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work together
> to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really needs
> to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
>
> -Alex
>
> --
> -----
> --
> -----
> Alex Hillman
> im always developing something
> visual:www.dangerouslyawesome.com
> local:www.indyhall.org
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Tony Bacigalupo
> <tonybacigal...@gmail.com>wrote:
> local:www.indyhall.org
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Tony Bacigalupo
>
>
>
> > Agreed all around. So should we simply removed the "disparaging" or get rid
> > of the clause altogether? Is it important to have protection against
> > defamation?
>
> > Also, since the space isn't open yet, we'll be adding stipulations that
> > membership won't start until after the space is open, and that the space
> > will open within a certain range of dates or the agreement is null and void.
>
> > Anything else?
>
>
>
> > Agreed all around. So should we simply removed the "disparaging" or get rid
> > of the clause altogether? Is it important to have protection against
> > defamation?
>
> > Also, since the space isn't open yet, we'll be adding stipulations that
> > membership won't start until after the space is open, and that the space
> > will open within a certain range of dates or the agreement is null and void.
>
> > Anything else?
>
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:27 AM, patrick.tang...@gmail.com <
> > patrick.tang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > statements or comments of a defamatory or disparaging nature to any
> >> > third party regarding NEW
>
> >> Yeah, we based our contract on IH too (thanks Alex!) but took out
> >> "disparaging" after the first round of signings, "defamation" is one
> >> thing but with "disparaging" in there it looks like we don't want to
> >> be critiqued either.
>
> >> Btw, if anyone opens up a space in Canada, our version has a couple of
> >> local tweaks so feel free to ask for the file.
>
> >> Patrick
> >> station-c.com- Hide quoted text -
> > patrick.tang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > statements or comments of a defamatory or disparaging nature to any
> >> > third party regarding NEW
>
> >> Yeah, we based our contract on IH too (thanks Alex!) but took out
> >> "disparaging" after the first round of signings, "defamation" is one
> >> thing but with "disparaging" in there it looks like we don't want to
> >> be critiqued either.
>
> >> Btw, if anyone opens up a space in Canada, our version has a couple of
> >> local tweaks so feel free to ask for the file.
>
> >> Patrick
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mike Schinkel
Sep 30, 2008, 12:51:09 AM9/30/08
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An open source working agreement would be GREAT.
I don't know how much I can contribute (legally), but would love to see one
created and will provide ideas the best I can.
-Mike Schinkel
President; NewClarity LLC
http://mikeschinkel.com
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Alex Linsker
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:04 AM
To: Coworking
Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
I don't know how much I can contribute (legally), but would love to see one
created and will provide ideas the best I can.
-Mike Schinkel
President; NewClarity LLC
http://mikeschinkel.com
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Behalf Of Alex Linsker
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:04 AM
To: Coworking
Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
Dusty
Sep 30, 2008, 3:10:18 AM9/30/08
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I'd also dig helping with an open source coworking member agreement.
We're currently not using one at Conjunctured! :o
We are however, working up a very thorough partnership agreement for
an LLC. Anyone need one of those? :)
Would be nice to have a open source coworking legal library.
Dusty
http://conjunctured.com
On Sep 29, 11:51 pm, "Mike Schinkel" <mikeschin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> An open source working agreement would be GREAT.
> I don't know how much I can contribute (legally), but would love to see one
> created and will provide ideas the best I can.
>
> -Mike Schinkel
> President; NewClarity LLChttp://mikeschinkel.com
We're currently not using one at Conjunctured! :o
We are however, working up a very thorough partnership agreement for
an LLC. Anyone need one of those? :)
Would be nice to have a open source coworking legal library.
Dusty
http://conjunctured.com
On Sep 29, 11:51 pm, "Mike Schinkel" <mikeschin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> An open source working agreement would be GREAT.
> I don't know how much I can contribute (legally), but would love to see one
> created and will provide ideas the best I can.
>
> -Mike Schinkel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cowo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cowo...@googlegroups.com] On
>
> Behalf Of Alex Linsker
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:04 AM
> To: Coworking
> Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I'd like to help create an open source working agreement. Although I'm not
> a lawyer, I've worked for lawyers in relevant fields, and have written
> employment, partnership, client and outsourcing contracts which have been
> greenlighted by some of the best lawyers. I'm great at writing really
> plain-language, simple, direct, easy-to-read contracts.
>
> What's the next step?
>
> -Alex
>
> Alex Linsker
> (646) 269-4915
> alexlins...@gmail.comwww.alexlinsker.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cowo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cowo...@googlegroups.com] On
>
> Behalf Of Alex Linsker
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:04 AM
> To: Coworking
> Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I'd like to help create an open source working agreement. Although I'm not
> a lawyer, I've worked for lawyers in relevant fields, and have written
> employment, partnership, client and outsourcing contracts which have been
> greenlighted by some of the best lawyers. I'm great at writing really
> plain-language, simple, direct, easy-to-read contracts.
>
> What's the next step?
>
> -Alex
>
> Alex Linsker
> (646) 269-4915
Mike Schinkel
Sep 30, 2008, 3:19:37 AM9/30/08
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>> We are however, working up a very thorough partnership agreement for an
LLC. Anyone need one of those? :)
Yes. :)
LLC. Anyone need one of those? :)
-Mike
Tony Bacigalupo
Sep 30, 2008, 11:01:31 AM9/30/08
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That'd be great!
HeatherO
Sep 30, 2008, 9:42:13 AM9/30/08
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I would love to see it!
At Your Service,
HeatherO'
Heather O'Sullivan Canney, RP, Broker/Partner
Heather O' Real Estate, Inc.
Real Living Partners Triangle, LLC
(919)427-7770
104B N. Salem St. Apex NC 27502
www.HeatherO.com
www.ApexGoodLiving.com
At Your Service,
HeatherO'
Heather O'Sullivan Canney, RP, Broker/Partner
Heather O' Real Estate, Inc.
Real Living Partners Triangle, LLC
(919)427-7770
104B N. Salem St. Apex NC 27502
www.HeatherO.com
www.ApexGoodLiving.com
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:19 AM, Mike Schinkel <mikesc...@gmail.com> wrote:
David J. Kordsmeier
Sep 30, 2008, 12:53:09 PM9/30/08
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Great ideas.
So there are several things here:
* A CoWorking Legal Library
* An Open Source CoWorking Legal Agreement (in various forms)
Can we agree as a group, in principle on a few things:
* A license governing all of the documentation. It can't contain
legalese specific to on of the contributing organizations.
* A way of collaborating on the CoWorking Legal Agreement
* A permanent repository for the CoWorking Legal Library
?
Did I miss anything? Eventually we would need to develop some FAQs
and such for the Legal Library.
-
David
Alex Linsker
Sep 30, 2008, 10:06:39 PM9/30/08
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David, I like your idea of a legal library and an open source
agreement for coworking.
> * A license governing all of the documentation. It can't contain
> legalese specific to on of the contributing organizations.
Maybe we can create an overall "operating system" coworking agreement
which can apply to all coworking groups, and we can also create
"plugins" -- paragraphs which can be inserted to the agreements of the
organizations to which they apply? For example, we might create a one-
page "General Coworking Legal Agreement," and we might create plugin
paragraphs/clauses, for example:
- if you have a few members who own the lease and sublease to other
members, or another paragraph if
- you have all the members share the lease.
> * A way of collaborating on the CoWorking Legal Agreement
I'll ask Vanessa Scanlon if we can use MixedInk.com, which is in
beta. MixedInk is an awesome way for groups to write agreements and
agree on what the final text will be.
> * A permanent repository for the CoWorking Legal Library
-Alex (of CooperBricolage/New Work City in NYC)
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> >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
agreement for coworking.
> * A license governing all of the documentation. It can't contain
> legalese specific to on of the contributing organizations.
which can apply to all coworking groups, and we can also create
"plugins" -- paragraphs which can be inserted to the agreements of the
organizations to which they apply? For example, we might create a one-
page "General Coworking Legal Agreement," and we might create plugin
paragraphs/clauses, for example:
- if you have a few members who own the lease and sublease to other
members, or another paragraph if
- you have all the members share the lease.
> * A way of collaborating on the CoWorking Legal Agreement
beta. MixedInk is an awesome way for groups to write agreements and
agree on what the final text will be.
> * A permanent repository for the CoWorking Legal Library
--
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Hi Tony. I tried to click through to see your example but the link did not work. Would you be willing to e-mail me a copy of what you ended up with? Do you have a separate one for event rental? We are opening in Oct and hoping to shortcut some of this! Many thanks for any help you can provide. my e-mail is piper...@yahoo.com
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