> 1. Here in Indonesia, coworking is a really new concept, does anybody know
> the best way to educate people about the coworking space concept?

> It's worth remembering that coworking is a really new concept in *most* places
> still, and even in the places where it's "known" most people haven't heard
> of it before.

> My favorite analogy to help people understand (and Brad from The Hub
> Melbourne used very similar language during is talk at Coworking Europe) is
> "it's like joining a club. you get to be a part of a community that also
> has a clubhouse that the members share to do work."

> 2. How to nail the community? is Jelly effective?

> Jelly is a great first brush with building a community because it doesn't
> cost anything and the barrier is really low for people to try it out. The
> key to Jelly leading to community is repetition: doing it on some regular
> interval is a lot more powerful than doing it once in a while.

> But jelly is just one kind of experience. By itself, it's not a
> community-builder.

> "Nailing the community" comes from working hard on three measurable
> factors:

>    - Participation - people don't just show up, they contribute
>    - Connections - people start to form relationships with other people
>    in the group
>    - Empathy - you and the other members don't have to agree on
>    everything, but you establish common ground for understanding even within
>    disagreements because disagreements are inevitable

> Jelly can help grow all three of these things in tandem…but there's
> countless other ways!

> 3. Freelancer or Start-up entrepreneur? Which one the most suitable to
> work at coworking space?

> Coworking is valuable for both, but there are pros and cons to both.

> In my experience, it's been a lot easier to build a sustainable community
> and business around freelancers than startups. This view might be unpopular
> given all of the love for startups in our world today, so I want to
> articulate what I've seen here at Indy Hall and elsewhere.

> I've found it to be more difficult to integrate a team's culture without a
> lot of extra work from them and for us. The team ends up being a
> mini-clique within the bigger community, which can weaken the entire
> community.

> Generally, freelancers tend to identify more with the "I'm alone" set of
> needs than startups do. Startups identify with wanting to be around other
> people but more for business networking and low-cost space.

> These two things *can *be complimentary, but they often create culture
> clash.

> The other factor is that startups have two "most likely" outcomes: they
> outgrow you, or they die. Either way, they're gone unless you've done a
> great job of integrating them into the community (in which case, they
> become part of your alumni and continue to contribute).

> And every multi-person startup that you lose to one of these fats needs to
> be replaced by another multi-person startup…meaning that you'll be in the
> same boat again before long.

> Every startup that's come to our coworking space has ended up leaving due
> to one of those two factors. We take that risk into consideration when
> teams join.

> Freelancers, on the other hand, tend to stay members for *much* much
> longer, keeping our churn down and ultimately building our community &
> business stronger.

> -Alex

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> coworking in philadelphia
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> business of community <http://book.businessofcommunity.com/?ref=email>"

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> Hi Ranie and all others!

> Been lurking in this mailing list for about a month as we set up Comma,
> our coworking space in Jakarta, Indonesia. Good to hear another soul
> thinking about it in the country!

> You are very welcome to drop by our space when you are in town.. Let's
> chat on your ideas and I'm sure we'll be able to learn from each other. Our
> space is in soft launch since last week and will be fully open to public in
> December

> There's one coworking space in Bandung: Hackerspace
> http://hackerspaceid.org/ and I've been meaning to drop by but never got
> the chance, do try to connect with them: @tyohan & @rezaprabowo in twitter

> Cheers,
> Dondi
> @dondihananto

> On 15 November 2012 03:15, Alex Hillman <dangerous...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:

>> Hi Ranie, welcome to the group! Very cool to hear that you're working on
>> something in Indonesia.

>> 1. Here in Indonesia, coworking is a really new concept, does anybody
>> know the best way to educate people about the coworking space concept?

>> It's worth remembering that coworking is a really new concept in *most* places
>> still, and even in the places where it's "known" most people haven't heard
>> of it before.

>> My favorite analogy to help people understand (and Brad from The Hub
>> Melbourne used very similar language during is talk at Coworking Europe) is
>> "it's like joining a club. you get to be a part of a community that also
>> has a clubhouse that the members share to do work."

>> 2. How to nail the community? is Jelly effective?

>> Jelly is a great first brush with building a community because it doesn't
>> cost anything and the barrier is really low for people to try it out. The
>> key to Jelly leading to community is repetition: doing it on some regular
>> interval is a lot more powerful than doing it once in a while.

>> But jelly is just one kind of experience. By itself, it's not a
>> community-builder.

>> "Nailing the community" comes from working hard on three measurable
>> factors:

>>    - Participation - people don't just show up, they contribute
>>    - Connections - people start to form relationships with other people
>>    in the group
>>    - Empathy - you and the other members don't have to agree on
>>    everything, but you establish common ground for understanding even within
>>    disagreements because disagreements are inevitable

>> Jelly can help grow all three of these things in tandem…but there's
>> countless other ways!

>> 3. Freelancer or Start-up entrepreneur? Which one the most suitable to
>> work at coworking space?

>> Coworking is valuable for both, but there are pros and cons to both.

>> In my experience, it's been a lot easier to build a sustainable community
>> and business around freelancers than startups. This view might be unpopular
>> given all of the love for startups in our world today, so I want to
>> articulate what I've seen here at Indy Hall and elsewhere.

>> I've found it to be more difficult to integrate a team's culture without
>> a lot of extra work from them and for us. The team ends up being a
>> mini-clique within the bigger community, which can weaken the entire
>> community.

>> Generally, freelancers tend to identify more with the "I'm alone" set of
>> needs than startups do. Startups identify with wanting to be around other
>> people but more for business networking and low-cost space.

>> These two things *can *be complimentary, but they often create culture
>> clash.

>> The other factor is that startups have two "most likely" outcomes: they
>> outgrow you, or they die. Either way, they're gone unless you've done a
>> great job of integrating them into the community (in which case, they
>> become part of your alumni and continue to contribute).

>> And every multi-person startup that you lose to one of these fats needs
>> to be replaced by another multi-person startup…meaning that you'll be in
>> the same boat again before long.

>> Every startup that's come to our coworking space has ended up leaving due
>> to one of those two factors. We take that risk into consideration when
>> teams join.

>> Freelancers, on the other hand, tend to stay members for *much* much
>> longer, keeping our churn down and ultimately building our community &
>> business stronger.

>> -Alex

>> --
>> /ah
>> indyhall.org
>> coworking in philadelphia
>> pre-order the new eBook, " <http://book.businessofcommunity.com?email>the
>> business of community <http://book.businessofcommunity.com/?ref=email>"

>>  --
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